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House | April 28, 2015 | Chamber | Education: Community Colleges

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Can I have everybody's attention if the committee members would kindly take your seats so we get a head count for a did you, did you talk about the amendment? He's going to run it. He's preparing, they are going to run it. Testing one, two three, testing one, two three we can actually do an amendment [xx] Thank you Pardon me? Okay. Testing one two. Let's begin with our committee meeting, looks like we have a quorum. On behalf of my co-chair, Representaive McNeal, myself welcome everybody to the house committee on community colleges. [xx] The chair we're still missing photos in the back on the back row. Okay. Let me introduce pages and sergeant at arms and of course I have an introduction we have to make. And everything will be passed up by sergeant at arms Currently we have three pages with us. First is Phillip Hermintrot[sp], thank you from Craven County Representative John Bell, Kaitlin Avery[sp] from Pitt County, Representative Martin and Meyer Eves from Mecklenburg County, Representative Bradford and Sergeant at Arms today  Mowen Hawkins, where is he Doug Harris and David Lighten. So everybody have their folders. No still waiting. Okay. We got a number of bills today so we're going to do get a vote on all of them if you can. Who doesn't have their folder? Please raise your hands. Just one. Can you look over the shoulder of Representative Szoka. OK, he's a pretty good guy. I think you might allow that. I wanted to start off first of all with I wanted just to have the folks from the students from community college, just to stand up, just so we can recognize them. How many of you are here that support the community college. If you just wouldn't mind standing up so the committee can see there's just a lot of support here. Thank you very much. Alright. We're going to start out with House Bill 396 which happens to be mine. No House Bill 396 is Representative Tine. It has PCS to it, is there a motion to present the PCS? Representative Reeves, moves, all in favour say aye. Aye! Okay, PCS is before us. It's your floor, Representative [xx]. Thank you Mr. Chairman. As we all know that community colleges are funded in arrears based on their past performance of FTE's. Mr. Chair, sorry to interrupt you but we don't have a PCS. Alright. It's being distributed right now. Please continue.  So what this seeks to do is to start looking at how we can create an investment strategy for our community colleges, so what this bill will do is create a grand program to set

up new programs to be more responsive to workforce development. and it's a pilot program, basically what it would do, right now in some of our smaller community colleges you actually have to kill program that's doing okay or maybe doing pretty well in order to find the money to create a new program. This would allow us to develop a program that we can go ahead and start this investment up from capital. In the last three years and if you haven't found the FTE to support, the student that really need the program then it will go away, because at that point it will have to be FTE support. So it's meant to be physically irresponsible by making short term indefinable and but also make it innovative and investment oriented. Any questions for the bill sponsor? Representative Goodman For a motion at appropriate time Representative [xx] hold on to that Representative Stevens Thank you Mr. Chair just one question for the sponsor I guess partly because I was trying to read and at the same time I was trying to listen which is not good, so the original bill had appropriation for that the new bill does not. So where does the money come from to establish the grant? And you probably said and I just listened. And the reason that we removed it was, it's a judgement call in regards to how much is the right amount of money to start the pilot program and that will be more of a decision during the appropriations process inside the floor, inside the full community college's budget as opposed to us signing a piecemeal along the way. Any other questions? Representative Arp. Just to be clear, so we'll require appropriations, you're just deferring that, you're looking at the policy issue here and the appropriation zero to whatever, would be yes I mean we could do one of this grand programs, we could do 20 of this grand programs. So really it would depend on the size and scope and we've got to look at the available resources as we go through the budget process to determine the right amount. Any other questions, Representative Goodman you are up. Thank you Mr. Chair, I'm move for favorable report for the proposed Committee Substitute for house bill 396 unfavorable to the original and [xx] the floor Hearing the motion, all in  favor say aye, any oppose say no, the bill passes. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Thank you members. The next one is the house bill 754 which is actually my bill and Representative Macneil will take over alright it appears to the chair that there's not a PCS so house bill 754 is before you Representative Brody you're recognized. Thank you Mr. Chairman. Presenting  754 what this is is a pilot program to tackle the issue of remediation problem that community colleges are experiencing. A lot of young people are coming into the community college and having to relearn what they should've learned in high school and this in an experimental program that deals strictly with Southern Piedmont Community College and it's relationship with it two counties that feed it which is Uni county and Anson county. Uni county also being a, one of the wealthier, I guess you could call school systems just has a tendency to struggle, a little bit, so its meant to allow the Community College, for the students who're in High school, but you may have just to take one class and then you've got to fill the rest of your day with electives, it intend's to do is have the Community College test the Students if they qualify to do university work where they need remediation, and then if it shows that they need remediation that they can do that while they're still in high school. So when they graduate from high school they hopefully will be prepared for university level work and other than that, Mr. Chairman, I think I'll stand for questions if they need to. Representative Boyle. Thank you Mr. Chairman, and this, potentially I don't know if this is a question for the bill sponsor or possibly even the community college folks themselves.

Representing the body I certainly support what you're attempting to do here. My question is and I know obviously, probably and am probably assuming here but why South Piedmont Community College was chosen for this study, but given I think the likelihood that this could really benefit in a long term, is there a community college that potentially has a higher propensity for remediation. Then South Piedmont Community College that we could potentially pilot this out versus South Piedmont. That's an extremely good question and and to answer your first one is there other age that may be better suitors that might be probably South Piedmont Community College came to us as well as their superintendent to the both county schools and said can we do this? So that's how it started, but I want to say that there's a bill coming from the senate that's going to be doing basically the same thing and, but there's something a little bit different and speaking with the community college folks, we would like to send this across over. They're going to send theirs and I think when we nail the two together we are going to have a really dynamic bill. And part of that may include, expanding the pilot either that or including everybody and others that might want to start, but this is our version crossing over and when the senate come we will try to, not try we will nail this together. It's just a matter we need this cross moment. Representative Harp[sp?] Being one of the sponsors I'm speaking in this role as well to answer your question. We've got a really dynamic forward thinking superintendent and president of our community college ahead already been working on this and so, with that enthusiasm this project right and taking their initiative and running it into a program that can be scaled state wide, is really a great thought about this. Representative Goodman.  Thank you Mr. Chair, I've two questions, first question is, does the ADM money transfer from the [xx] system to the Community College System when these students were re-mediated?   Not and I would't. So the student is. Follow up. So the student is still considered a student at the high school were he attends is that correct? That's correct second follow up question. Are there going to be assesments similar to those that are, [xx] has for these students to see how they progress and the success of your program Good question. I do Mr. Chairman if you would agree I ask Doctor Stan Sedor from [xx] 10 here and we're preparing for a question just like that, if you would permit, he could speak for a couple of minutes or whatever you choose Come forward, state your name will give you two minutes. Turn your mic on please. Well that helps [xx] community college. To answer your question yes there will be a suspense, we plan on using the power school data that cage 12, that are already accumulated which tells us student's efficiency in Math, English and Reading molding that with the testing that we used in developmental testing and ending hopefully with the C. P. T the college placement test. All right the committee have any further questions questions while he is at the mic. All right, seeing none Representative [xx] Motion [xx] is there any other other discussion? Alright, you've all heard the motion from Representative [xx] everyone favor of the motion will say aye, "Aye" Those oppose no. [xx] of the chair the ayes have it, the ayes do have it. The motion is passed Thank you Mr. Chair And I think we are on roll call 756 Representative Queen if you're ready follow up. Representative Broody is coming back up and I'll turn the chair back over to him Representative Quin, you have the floor? thank you, and thank you members of the committee, I bring before you a bill here, 756 on financial literacy and life skills. This idea came to

me at a breakfast with our local community colleges, that community colleges want to be a place that prepare students for success in life, it's not really just about a certificate and the degree, but it's about being prepared for life, being prepared for the pitfalls of life, and dealing with the whole individual as a community college students, and keeping at focus on their potential for success in life I've talked a little bit with the community college leadership, and they would like to consider this very much, they have some program scattered throughout the system, they'd like to coordinate, talk about those a little among themselves, so we agreed to consider amendment here to make this a study so that we can do this right, but the focus is success in life for our community college enrollies[sp?]. Several community college students came to me this morning from one of my three campuses in my district, Howard community college, and they all sat down and they were all from different aspects of life, they were different ages, they had a really good mix which is exactly what happens at community colleges, so whenever you pull this together in a kind of collaborative coarse students really gain from their experience on a community college campus, so I recommend it to you and I recommend amendment to make it into a study bill. Representative Martin. Thank you Mr. Chair, I sent forth the amendment which does exactly which the bill sponsor says it would do. I believe everybody has that amendment we passed it out, anybody who do not have the amendment? Any discussion on the amendment, I think you've pretty much went through it, but we'll open up for anybody else. Hearing none is there motion out there in the amendment? Move the amendment. OK, the motion before you all those in favor say I.   I. Any oppose say no, the amendment passes, you are back on the bill. Representative Brown. For a motion with a appropriate Mr. Chairman. Any other question for Representative Queen? Looks like you are up. Thank you Mr. Chairman I moved for a favorable report to the proposed Committee Substitute of House Bill 756 as amended, unfavorable to the original with a serial referral to Rules and Operations of the House. One minute. OK We'll accept that motion. Just having it get clarified the motion before you. All those in favor say I. I. All opposed say no. The motion over the bill passes. Thank you. Thank you, members of the committee. I appreciate it. OK next up is House Bill 860, and this is Rep. Hanes. Rep. Hanes, you have the floor. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. First let me thank my co-lead sponsors, Reps. Horn and Holloway and Glazier for joining me on this bill. Colleagues, currently any active duty member of the military that dose not qualify as a resident for in-state tuition purposes is eligible to be charged the in-state tuition rate while they are stationed in North Carolina, or if reassigned out of state and they remain continuously enrolled in the or other program they are currently enrolled in. This bill expands this general statute governing tuition for military personnel by leveling the potential cost different between the out-of-state tuition rate and the soldiers federal tuition assistance grant any cost difference will be waived if the active duty member, one, was previously enrolled in the in-state tuition at the time of deployment or reassignment, two, was not able to remain continuously enrolled in the degree or other program due to deployment or reassignment. Three, they re-enroll in the same degree or other program within18 months of enrollment or deployment or reassignment and that military member does not otherwise qualify for instate tuition. This bill also protects the community

college system by making sure, that the amount tuition charge will never be lower than the current instate tuition rate. Remember that the committee our armed forces have made a very unique sacrifice that allow us to represent our constituents in this state in this country. These men and women also understand they must prepare themselves for life outside of the military after their service is done. We would do well I believe as a General Assembly to fully support their efforts of education in our state with the hope that they would remain among us after they complete that education. I would urge the body to continue North Carolina's long-standing support of our military and support this bill. It's time for questions. Any questions for the bill sponsor? Representative Harp[sp?]? What's the cost that you got the I do. We have fiscal note and if actually, a little difficult to determine I asked what the cost was and working with staff, it ranges from $164, 000 to a $640, 000 net gain for community colleges just depending upon which classes these students sign up for what a tier one or tier three level classes, so there is a range, what they did provide was a maximum cost, a maximum cost that they based upon credit hours, and that essentially turns to about $14 per credit hour which will be $14 times 10000 credit hours that were taken last year by this students by this potential students which equal about 100 $40938 that will be the maximum and the minimum cost of [xx] the depending upon which class that they signed up for Okay, hold on to the fiscal note. Representative McNeil he answered the question if you look at the bottom of the bill summary and the background states that tuition credit is $250 and out of state tuition cost is 264 that's where he's getting the $14, so he answered the question. Representative Soccer[sp]. Thank you Mr. Chair, if I could address that issue again to add something else to the conversation for better understanding here, what is also goes to the captures zone of student population, that we would otherwise be losing because of the appointments and  reassignments, so the fiscal motive no one who has those numbers and no one who knows absolutely correct. What it doesn't capture is the opportunity costs if you will of getting more students back in the program to complete whom might in other words completed their education at a community college in some other state. We get from here from Fort Bright that represent [xx] and then come back, well, there`s opportunities for us to do it, and the community colleges for the most part serve there soldiers. They can take advantage of this systems learning, so even on a fiscal note it might indicate that there was a class, I think that when these other things is really financial benefits to the state. Any other, representative Shopper, Thank you Mr. Chair, I was really late getting here but got a couple of questions, if I could ask, first of all limit this is limit soldiers committee [xx]. Yes indeed, The other question I have is, how does this come into play with the initiate headed, I thought we had passed into Law, that we were doing to give all our military members in State tuition and that's on the summary here, it mentions how much it is for 250 per credit from the Department of Defense, and then out of State tuition is 264, so are we in fact, already doing that, giving them in State tuition that their military members residing in North Carolina right now? Sure, this bill would certainly [xx] for criteria do exactly what you say, certainly I have seen the Governors plan, thankfully we reside in the General Assembly and we can move forward and some things will fasten and perhaps we might be able to do that. Any other questions? As you can see or you heard there is a fiscal note, basically what

we are going to do is address the policy here and we are going to allow the Speaker make a determination if he wants to refer it. So, is there a motion out there? Representative Harley. Thank you Mr. Chair, I move that we approve house bill 860 with [xx] kindly see if there's a referral. No. With no referral. Representative Arp. Point of order. Doesn't this go to appropriations I've made appropriation, I' sorry I said finance I made appropriations. We don't have a referral line here, we'll let the Speaker make the determination So [xx] amend a favourable report, right?  A favourable report. Okay, hearing the motion, all in favour say aye, all those oppose say no, the bill passes. [xx] Next bill is Representative [xx], house bill 488. you have the floor. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning everybody. I hope that this will be a nice, simple bill, even though I know I'm not suppose to use those terms. But what this is is Central Carolina Community College has an interesting situation, and we have one of my primary sponsors are here with me, Rep. Salmon, obviously Rep. Lewis can't be here, but I appreciate their work on this issue. With Central Carolina Community College, we have three counties that are included as one community college system, and with that being the case, we'll work really hard with Chatham County, Lee County and Harnett County making sure that everybody is included, everybody has their needs addressed. And so what we've done is come up with a trustee appointment system that has been uniformly supported by everybody. In fact, I think it's been a really good process. The commissioners in all three counties, the board of education in all three counties have all agreed on this. Essentially the biggest thing we've done is we've added three members, and as you can see from the summary, that with the addition of three members have got to wait for them to be appointed. So everybody's happy. Everybody's behind it. No opposition whatsoever. We have the president of our trustee board here also Julie [xx] but I'm also available for any questions. We just ask for a favorable report. Any question Representative Robinson. Thank you. If you hold on to that. Any other questions? Looks like you're up. Everybody heard the motion. All those in favor of the motion say aye Aye. Any opposed say no. The bill passes the committee. The last bill we have is House Bill 579 and that is Rep. McNeil. You have the floor.  Thank you. I want to thank the committee for the opportunity to present House Bill 579 to you basically, 579 is basically a bill to make community colleges a year round school. OK is god for the students, it's good for the college's businesses and tax payers. In order to meet the needs of the students and businesses, North Carolina community colleges need to be year round, a year round production. Currently community colleges may teach technical education, healthcare developmental education, and [xx] related courses year round, and on budget after ease of those courses, and there are many other courses including many in the comprehensive articulation agreement, that community colleges are not authorized to teach year round. House bill 579 will amend current law and authorize community colleges to teach all curriculum courses all year round, including in a summer term. Allowing this to happen would help community help students complete programs faster, accelerate the talent pipeline in North Carolina businesses experiencing shortages. Allow university students to take courses at the community to college is during summer, help colleges retain faculty who would prefer to work year round, and allow students to make to allow colleges to make more efficient use of space, save tax payers, families and student's money. Basically, the community colleges are funding now, an FTE

for budget purposes, it determines to be a student, it may take 256 credit hours a semester, or 512 credit hours a years. A budget enrollment for funding a request is calculated by using the average of the past two years of budgeted FTEs, or the highest of those two years. Courses start in summer typically not utilized in this calculation, and therefore they do not receive state funding to teach them. In 2013, the General Assembly authorized community colleges to teach technical education, healthcare development education and related courses during the summer. this bill just basically makes the community colleges a year round school, and allows them to teach all courses that they offer and recieve full time credits for those. So if there are any questions? Any questions for the bill sponsor, Representative Brown? Thank you Mr. Chairman. Representative McNeill, thank you for bringing this forward, good bill for a motion, what appropriate. Okay, we just hold on to that. Representative Stevens. Thank you Mr. Char. Just want to ask the bill sponsor I keep hearing you saying it's permissive, it's not going to be required that they offer everything through the summer, it's only if they have enough interest and if they do teach it, they'll get the full time equivalent credit. is that correct? That's my understanding, but I will defer that to staff to make sure. Yes, the current language in the bill does which makes this permissive. Any other questions for the bill sponsor? Representative Brown, you're up, note that it has the serial for referral to appropriations. Thank you Mr. Chairman. I move for a favorable report to House Bill 579 with a serial referral to Appropriations. All heard the motion. Those who agree say aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. The bill passes, and this committee is adjourned.