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House | April 1, 2015 | Chamber | House Session

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House will come to order. Seriously! [laughs] On behalf of the Senate, I wish you all a happy April Fool's Day. The House will come to order, and members, just so you'll know that there was equal time given, I had the opportunity to gavel the Senate into order also, so we thought we'd mix it up a little bit today. Members are asked to take their seats, visitors will retire from the chamber, sergeant at arms will close the doors. Members and all visitors in the gallery are asked to please silence all electronic devices. Today's prayer will be offered by Lynn Taylor, who is the legislative assistant to Representative Raleigh. Would ask all members and would ask those guests in the gallery to please stand for the prayer and remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. Miss Taylor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We've been a free people living under the law, with faith in our maker and in our future. I've said before that the most sublime picture in American history is of George Washington on his knees in the snow at Valley Forge. That image personifies a people who know that it's not enough to depend on our own courage and goodness. We must also seek help from God, our father and preserver. Those remarks were made at a White House ceremony in observance of the national day of prayer by Ronald Wilson Reagan. Let us pray. Our heavenly father, we come before you this beautiful spring day, pausing in our busy schedules, bringing our cares, our fears, our praises and petitions before you, for you are good. Your loving kindness is everlasting and your faithfulness is to all generations. We acknowledge you are the lord of all the earth and we are your people, the sheep of your pasture. We are mindful of the work before this assembly and the great responsibility they willingly shoulder. May the women and men appointed for this time look for truth and enact righteous laws, that we might live in the peace and harmony that result. We ask for your guidance and your wisdom to accomplish the tasks set before this body, and then the courage to stand steadfast and follow your ways that will make North Carolina a leader, strong and prosperous, a shining light of hope. We ask your hand of blessing and your protection, for unless the lord builds the house, they labor in vain who build it. In the name our your son we pray, amen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis is recognized for motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, the journal from March 31st has been examines and found to be correct. I move that it stand approved as written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis moves that the journal from March 31st be approved as written. Those in favor will say aye. Those opposed no. The ayes have it. The journal is approved as written. Members without objection rule that 12D is suspended. Members, if the, would ask the House come to order and pay head to the announcement that I'm about to make. We, the chair's about to read in a number of committee reports and it is the intention of the chair that most of these bills, other than the rereferrals, be added to today's calendar. So I would ask, so I'm going to call the bill whenever we read in

Speaker changes:i do as i did yesterday i ask if there is any objections to the bill being added and if not we'll add the bill and members is the final deadlines for local bills at least at this juncture and the deadline is 3'o clock we are gonna extend up to 5.00 p.m at the house come to your order ? at the request of the minority leader these are the following bills that ?? we hadn't get the committee reports but these are the bills sharing ?? today's calender for those who gonna follow these ?? will sell carry house bill 345 ?? county remove abandoned vehicles house bill 236 certain counties participating exemption house bill 312 goodness certain county ?? for motion grievance city of state as?? house bill 236 certain counties share foot purchases you bill 313 for motion grievances for city of states house bill 254 protect national guard reemployment rights and house bill 395 allow substitution and by elements these were the bill and i for members to be reviewing and will take this momentarily ?? Speaker changes:Representative ?? the clerk will read Speaker changes:Mr speaker Speaker changes:For what purpose does the ?? raise Speaker changes:Mr speaker I'm just wondering when do we?? today Speaker changes:you would make those objection if you have an objection at the time was see the committee report ?? would calender ?? when i say objection to today's calender just say that the member have that objection then the normal procedure we would have at that point is we would either wit till the and of the calender ?? objection and if there is still objection the point the rules chairman will make point to dd to the calender which without doubt will be dded to the calender Speaker changes:thank you Speaker changes:yes mam Speaker changes:Representative recognized committee report the clerk will red Speaker changes:Representative ?? judiciary 1 committee report senate bill 78 ?? Speaker changes:calender and without objection today's calender is there anyone to object hearing those answers that were off corrections officers Representative Davis ?? to send forth the committee report Speaker changes:Representative Davis the local government committee report house bill 345 ?? vessels ?? Speaker changes:calender and without objection today's calender is there objection Speaker changes:members i ask the house to come to order they are having difficulty in reading Representative holly the bill is house bill 345 the ?? county removed abandoned vessel,without objection so to order clerk you my continue Speaker changes:house bill 3457 modified ?? favorable and ?? Speaker changes:?? on finance Speaker changes:house bill 353 ?? annexation favorable and referred to finance Speaker changes:the bill is referred to committee on finance Speaker changes:house bill 344 ?? favorable committee substitute Speaker changes:origin favorable and unfavorable committee calender substitute re-referred committee to ?? Speaker changes:house bill 236 certain counties purchasing exemptions favorable committee substitute unfavorable original bill Speaker changes:original bill unfavorable substitute calender original committee calender Speaker changes:objection Speaker changes:the chair is to ?? the chair notes the lady's objection with the bill being dead to the today's calender the chair will

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On behalf of Representatives Brockman, Blust, Faircloth, Hardister, Harrison, and Johnson of Guilford County, the Chair is honored to extend the courtesies of the gallery to members of the Greensboro City Council and the Guilford County Board of Education. If you all would please stand so that we could welcome you to be with us today. On behalf of Representative Richardson of Franklin County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Mr. Joe Nadglowski, President and CEO of the Obesity Action Coalition, who gave a presentation this morning for legislators on the obesity problem in the U.S. With him are Sumeira Kashim and Brenna Sculley, staffers of Women in Government, which has sponsored the presentation. Would you please stand so that we can welcome you? Thank you for being with us today. On behalf of Representatives Insko and Meyer from Orange County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the mayor of Chapel Hill, Mark Kleinschmidt. If you would please stand so that we could welcome you. And on behalf of Representative Floyd and Representative Lucas of Cumberland County, as well as Representative Gill of Wake County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, incorporated on the legislative Sigma Day, which is today. Glad to have you with us, gentleman. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Lucas, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a moment of privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Cumberland has the floor for a moment of personal privilege. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you for recognizing my brothers from Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Incorporated. Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity was founded the year 1914, by three distinguished gentlemen on the campus of Howard University. Since that time, the brotherhood has grown to practically every HBC U in the country, as well as fraternities on many of the majority campuses around the country. Since its inception, they've always maintained a mission of culture for service, and service to humanity. That is what they thrive on. Their colors are blue and white, and whenever you see blue and white around where they are, with their insignia, you may expect distinguished manhood. Our fraternity has always been grounded in moral fortitude. We know of some of the negative aspects that have been going around the country relating to various and sundry fraternities in recent times, but you won't see that, and I say that with tongue in cheek--we haven't yet. Hopefully you'll never see that with Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity. I am proud to call them brothers, and indeed I appreciate the opportunity to share with you some of their exploits. Mr. Speaker, you might recall one of my brothers and his service on the Board of Governors, Dudley Flood. You might recall that. Thank you very kindly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, on behalf of Representative Robinson, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Major David Anderson of the Caldwell County Sheriff's Department as well as his son, Jesse, and his wife, Julia. If you all would please stand so that we could welcome you today from Caldwell County. Glad to have you with us.

For what purpose does the gentleman from Gaston, Representative Torbett, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rise for a point of order, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his point of order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] During a luncheon earlier, I understand that the President Pro Tempore, Phil Berger, announced that both you and him had reached a conclusion on the budget for this session, and want to get confirmation on that, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We have. We've been working on the budget for a few weeks. We'll probably have it on the floor today for a full vote. set for probably a [unclear] day April third. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Floyd, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] A point of personal privilege to speak. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to speak to a point of personal privilege. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, thank you for recognizing my Sigma brothers for the Sigma day, and I want to personally thank those representatives that came in today to share with the Sigmas the budget, House Bill 589, to help. And also there's one other- I just simply want to thank all of you for coming. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members of the Chairs intends to move the introduction of bills and resolutions to the end of today's calendar given the length of that. Therefore we will move to the calendar. Calendar. House Bill 388, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Tine, House Bill 388, a bill to be entitled Act To Modify The Options For Local Sales Tax, Dare County, For Dredging Purposes, the General Assembly of North Carolina enacts.[SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Dare, Representative Tine, has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is the same bill as yesterday, third reading, having to do with the emergency response to Oregon Inlet. We had a good vote yesterday and I would appreciate your continued support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question for the House is the passage of House Bill 388 on its third reading. Those in favor will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Representative Langdon, does the gentleman wish to record on this vote? Representatives Insko, Fisher, Brody, and Pendleton, do these members wish to be recorded on this vote? Clerk will let the machine record the vote. One hundred and twelve having voted in the affirmative and four in the negative, House Bill 388 passes its third reading, and will be sent to the Senate by a special messenger. Is Representative Hager on the floor, House Bill 188? Does the gentleman wish to proceed? House Bill 188, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hager, House Bill 188, a bill to be entitled An Act To Change the Manner of Selection of Certain Members of the Board of Trustees of Isothermal Community College, the General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just a moment. The gentleman from Columbus, Representative Waddell, does the gentleman wish to be recorded as voting with his seatmate as opposed to against him? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I guess so, it's April Fool's Day. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Alright, the gentleman will be recorded as having voted aye on the previous bill. The gentleman from Rutherford- Does the lady from Orange wish to be recorded as having voted aye as well? The lady from Orange, Representative Insko, will be recorded as having voted aye. The gentleman from Rutherford, Representative Hager, has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Guys, what this bill does is take four trustee appointments- It's a local bill. Let me say that again: local bill. Takes four trustees from the Board of Education and moves them to, the appointments, to the County Commissioners. And the reason we're doing that is because we have significant dollars right now in maintenance issues. Up to ten million dollar issues right now. We have about fifty thousand dollars in emergency funds we need to invest into the college. All that money has to flow through the County Commissioners via the county residents. And we have had- I've got an email just in the last week, two of our students being injured because of heat exhaustion because AC units weren't working. So we have a situation on the ground, that we need to move these trustees and we need to fund this and we need to get folks to have some fiduciary responsibility. In the bill, you'll see that I have moved four appointments, one to the Polk County, which is in Chris Whitmire's district, but it's a multi-county district. One to Polk County and three more, which gives them a total of seven in Rutherford County, but requiring four of those appointments, two to be business people within the counties.

Light and expertise in budgeting in accounting and one that expertise in building slash equipment minds were kinda zydeco people on the board trustees they can fix this problem that we got on the ground and a Kennedy and then move forward to take you for your the ongoing vote on this for whatever says the Jonathan richman represented them as stated below the john Anson Ford innovative of state and lifetime of the house (SPEAKER CHANGES) I usually don't talk and all that the Byzantine mission to bad but I'm just having a hard time understanding why you would probably knows the school board appointments in this case I am out of school board member and a one ounce of the AMA but trustees of human consciousness daily planet blends for the state of Oakland County, we planted a banker and planted on republican Atty. sent it back into session this, but members are just as capable of planting of trustees for too many colleges county commissioners are and-a yesterday did not have a good standard should be concerned with Tesco's of the pocket of them and the school's server changing time and money to focus on manages were the plan a bit this time, a stylish and is to file not as high as superintendent west bank town in the second is to make policy which is generally dictated by state law Sunday session of the scope and a second time to appoint members to the college board of trustees dozen action ever, too many college and out of public school system monopoly, disposal of (SPEAKER CHANGES) Thomson of asking voters to whatever says Jonathan Rutherford represent any less because of a second, bill john as for the bills anytime a gamble and the vision is made not only for me when the lead the author of the vegetation, so far, it is Richard said that the county superintendent was retired schoolteacher of a school's set up into more of a retired schoolteachers ones retired superintendent so this again in a upward its cases will not put business people there but I sure don't face cash and for the day on the bill does not question for the house's passage house the money on the second leading businessmen and others oppose one of the crackle of the DOS version of a Daylong chamber pot luck and she acquire the 73 and then the file in 42 in the native house bill 18 passes a second reading in one of the action May 3, Johnson of money that is the discussion for the eight is not a question for the house is a past has been 1:00 AM as than a dozen Federal say out his business as thin as any of the house bill 188 passes as the name and will be sent to the same as speaker for whatever says the lady from 170-3 record is no innocent, until Saturday on this bill does them away from Argentina quarters ended known as the one ad a secondary said that all three of 5-8 and members of speech and I know seven anyone was made to not understand me take some debate sometime in the summary of bills and a villain more quickly to send essay about the only service men and fire senate approves a bill to try and connect to the cost,(SPEAKER CHANGES) recognition Jarvis, regional issue of interest in generating facilities to authorize the use of this nomination for his comments is to enter into support contracts into issue bonds to pay the cost of objects to Russell Johnson movements the Jonathan Masterson causes recognize today to the Ida state are fighting words or did I get a nice life-size-indulgence on unusually long, the nation yesterday in the mid-unanimous vote of the sense that was as though you .....

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was referred to Finance, be removed from the Committee on Finance, and added to today's calendar, and if I could speak to explain the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman's motion is properly made. The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, what I'm asking to do is, we received from the Senate a Senate Committee Substitute for a House bill. It was referred, as is customary, to the Committee on Finance. We, after conferring with both the minority leader and Representative Luebke, who I consider to be the senior finance adviser for the minority ??, would like to hold the bill back. I would then add it to today's calendar, move not to concur, and ask the Speaker to appoint conferees. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there objection to the motion? For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Hall, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just to support the motion. I ask that the members support the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Harnett moves that House Bill 41 be removed from Finance and added to today's bill for immediate consideration. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 117 having voted in the affirmative and one in the negative, the motion is adopted. House Bill 41--strike that, yes, Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 41 is before the House. The gentleman from Harnett is recognized--strike that, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Howard, Brawley, Lewis, and Setzer, House Bill 41, a bill to be entitled an Act to Update the Reference to the Internal Revenue Code, to Decouple From Certain Provisions of the Federal Tax Increase Prevention Act of 2014, and to Make Technical and Clarifying Changes to Various Revenue Laws, as Recommended by the Revenue Laws Study Committee. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Harnett is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do not concur with the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 41, and should that motion prevail, that conferees be appointed to resolve the differences. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the motion not to concur with the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 41. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 118 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the motion not to concur prevails. The Chair appoints the following conferees: Representative Brawley, Chair; Representative Saine, Lewis, and Luebke. The Senate will be so notified. Representatives Arp, Collins, and Warren are recognized to send forth a committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Arp, Collins, and Warren, Public Utilities Committee Report, House Bill 356, NCUC Regulatory Fee Changes, favorable, and re-referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The bill is re-referred to the Committee on Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 332, Natural Gas Economic Development Infrastructure, favorable, committee substitute, unfavorable, original bill and re-referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Original bill is placed on the unfavorable calendar, committee sub is referred to the Committee on Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 351, Clarify Utility Rates, favorable, committee substitute, unfavorable, original bill and re-referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Original bill placed on the unfavorable calendar, committee substitute re-referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 187--strike that. House Bill 185, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives R. Brown, Cleveland, Floyd, and Riddell, House Bill 185, a bill to be entitled an Act to Repeal Commissions Within the Department of Cultural Resources That Have Served Their Purpose and to Repeal the Statutory Language Relating to the Use of Alkaline Paper for Public Documents and Previously Repealed Commissions. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady from Davidson, Representative Brown, is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This bill just simply cleans up language in the statutes by repealing references to commissions that are no longer functioning, and to the use of alkaline paper for public documents. I appreciate your support on this bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is passage of House Bill 185 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the

Speaker changes: Representative Johnson ?? the clerk will record the vote 118 have voted in the affirmative and none in the negative house bill 158 passes it's second reading and will without objection you red third time, Speaker changes:general assembly of north Carolina enacts, Speaker changes:further discussion further debate if not the question before the house as it the passage of house bill 185 a on it's third reading those in favor will say aye those oppose will say no the aye is have it he house bill 185 is passed and will send to the senate Representative stamp house bill 146 is that bill ready to go Representative,house bill 146 the clerk will read, Speaker changes:?? house bill 146 the bill to be enact entitled eliminated to have fast ?? directives and health care powers of the ?? to presence of two witnesses ?? general assembly of north Carolina enacts, Speaker changes:the gentlemen from ?? representative Lambert is recognized to debate the bill debt discussion bout the bill just few days go there are just couple of things that i like to dd today the governor proclaimed as heath care decision day if nothing been accomplished ?? if you don't have one i would encourage you to please have one of age one he governor's confirmation says only 23% of Americans have executed advance detective just two points i make this bill does have he support the medical society ?? the hospitals association federal law of attorney the ?? healthcare law attorney ?? the elder law clinic Cambridge university school of law there were some confusions that we have talked about before this bill is about protecting person's right to make choices to provide medical care to provide family conflict and end of life decision and i would tell actually happens which means the advance directives doesn't get signed and actually it falls back then current to call next to can and i think that's sings of the reasons why ?? i would point out also that with n advance detective it names someone for healthcare choices with them it also premise the person ?? but it is out financial power of attorney and it doesn't out have any impact on state and financial document this will help out to send bulletin points to some of the issues that will help out the ?? last thing i would dd the last thing i have to see is Jonathon i have to guess the last thing i have to say is ?? even though they agree with the concept in contented of the law so this is really bout trying to increase 235 much green for what purpose does the gentlemen from sh representative Jordon rise, Speaker changes:to debate the bill, Speaker changes:the gentlemen has the floor to debate the bill, Speaker changes: yes this is the ?? and no nothing has been changes is the same i have debated on 10 or 15 minutes last time i understand the point that Representative Lambert is making but he didn't make us point last time because this bill bout the convenience I'm sorry to say not the protection folks so gin you are moving ?? important pieces with the bill if you go with this ?? this is life and death decision that have been made please vote no on this,

For what purpose does the lady from Carteret, Representative McElraft rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister speaker. Members of the House, I thought long and hard about this bill, and it's nice to make it convenient for our hospitals, but you know, I asked them when they were up here one day, standing and lobbying for this. I said, tell me why you can't at least have the notary part of this. If you can't find the witnesses, that's fine, but when the person's checking in, make sure you at least get their perspective before they have surgery and you have people that are checking them in that for $100 a year, I believe it is, they can become notaries. And then you have it from the horse's mouth, from the person who is going through that surgery what they want for their direct, their directives. They told me that would cost too much money. I'm sorry. Lives are more important than $100 a year for a hospital. I'm all for my hospitals, but I'm also about making sure that we don't pick strangers from somewhere but we actually have a notarized signature from the person who is going through that surgery. They're the ones who need to tell you what that should be, not after they're on their deathbed, but that could be done at every one of these check ins when you check into the hospital. Every one of those people can be notaries there, and it's not gonna cost the hospitals that much money. I cannot vote for this bill unless we at least have the notary portion of it. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham, Representative Jones rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House. I know that when we talk about such issues as the end of one's life it's a very emotional issue. I just wanna say that I never would have signed on as a primary sponsor on this bill if I thought that the reason for it was for the convenience of the hospitals. I know that many of you in this room are like me, that you have no doubt been a family member of a dying loved one, and that's a very difficult time indeed in the very best of circumstances, but for the patient and for the family of, of the patient, I do believe that having an advance health care directive is something that everyone indeed should get. Not for the convenience of the hospital, but that the wishes of the patient and that the wishes of the patient might be carried out, and that it might able to be done in a way that doesn't often tear families apart. And so when I read this legislation, I thought that it was a good bill. Is it a perfect bill? I don't think so. I don't, I don't know if there are many perfect bills that, that are in existence, but I do think this. There are 46 states that don't require what we require. Only three other states do, and if you are a patient that had an advanced health care directive carried out in one of those 46 states and you come to North Carolina, your wishes will be carried out, but if you lived in North Carolina, you don't get that same opportunity. Now I understand the opponents can say and I agree that the majority is not always right, but I also think that for something this important, that if passing this were so terrible and invited all the terrible problems that we're hearing, I don't think that 46 states would do it. And so ladies and gentlemen, we can agree to disagree, but I just want you to know that I never would have signed on for something that just would have been for the convenience of the hospital, and I think most people that look at this issue would not think that that's what this is all about, that that's the motivation behind the sponsors of this bill or that's the motivation behind this bill. So ladies and gentlemen, you vote your conscience. I think this is a good bill. I think this is something that we should be encouraging people to be able to get an advanced health care directive and so I will vote green. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Pendleton rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak, speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Last time I stood up

UUEMOV [0:00:00.0] And I was opposed to this bill and but I decided to talk to some experts so I call to attorneys that our clients ?? we do a state pointing work jointly and both of them Masters in tax law and it do exclusively a state planning. And they said, “There is nothing wrong with this bill and is found to be passing.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Wilson, Representative Martin arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I heard this echo what Representative Pendleton said, “This is an area out of my expertise I don’t serve on the judicial committee.” So when a bill like this, it’s clearly very important and very sensitive for people we love and we care about. I send it out to a few attorneys that I know of my district that I respect and got their feedback from different folks and everyone came back and said that this is a very reasonable approach and there is not a problem with this. So I will be supporting this and ask you to do the same, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Adcock arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, I didn’t talk to any attorneys but as a family nurse practitioner for 28 years and a registered nurse for 40 someone who had both of the tough conversations with patients and their families about advance care directives and also nurse people do their deaths I would say to you that these are tools that are very necessary for families for making it easier for people, to make their wishes known, it’s a good bill, I planned to vote forward and I urge you to do the same, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Nash, Representative Collins arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If this discussion doesn’t do anything else it should point out to all of us the importance of having this done long before you reach that case where you are in the hospital with the terminal illness and have days to live. We should be doing anything we can to encourage health providers, attorneys, anybody else who is working with clients to encourage them to get this done early, not we seem to be really, really emphasizing and what’s done in the last few hours but we need to do everything we can do to encourage and to be along before that. I will say that I work in a financial services industry and every year we have to take more classes, fill out more forms, sign more disclosures and everything to make sure that we are not defrauding our clients in anyway and that there is no way possible that they can be defrauding us or the government or anybody else. Consumer Protection seems to be moving in one general direction in every field that I work at least and I can do anything that makes fraud easier to perpetrate which looks like it’s me that’s where we are going, if this is whether it’s intended or not kind of an anti-Consumer Protection bill and so for that reason I will voting it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Cabarrus, Representative Pitman arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, except for course living will when I will debate that but I have some problems with it, advance directives are a good thing pretty much and it’s good to encourage people to do some of those things but this bill is not about encouraging to get those things done, it’s about removing an important safeguard against fraud or other ill intensions. And therefore, I urge you to vote no so not remove that safeguard, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Mecklenburg, Representative Cunningham arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, to speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As a healthcare provider and I know everyone here knows that I’m a healthcare provider and the last work I did was in hospitals care. But more important than that is my mother died and we had to get a Power of Attorney in the hospital, she was in Presbyterian Hospital and I obtained what from outside to come in and notarize the Power of Attorney, which I did not see a big problem with. When my husband came home with ?? he had his real, he had his advance directive. So I see it as a safety net for me as well as a healthcare professional because when I look at that chart I don’t need to look for just two signatures I can look for that notary seal that says that, “This person is chaseable that sign those documents.” So I’m wondering at this point what am I gonna be looking at when I go to that chart now, two signatures that I cannot choice anywhere. So I’m not supporting the bill, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Forsyth, Representative Conrad arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak in favor of the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker I would just say that I disagree with the concerns that having a choice of either using a notary… [0:05:00.4] [End of file…]

Macy's U.S. citizens are many important safeguard us an idea how difficult it is the kind of witnesses that annual of the people that are excluding an North Carolina among other conditions of qualified that this may not be a relative of the person signing the document it may not be a member of the signers medical team when an employee of a training provider financing facility would assign only about half the size of the night and encourage people demand these advanced directors signed and I know I've heard from Health Care providers permits me to let your physical , (SPEAKER CHANGES) you checking in a hospital are going to encourage this is going to be very difficult to find two witnesses and evidence to strangers and awaiting remove the doctor's office the night and had any connection to you personally with the Federal debt an inventory is a more qualified showings to nine and is that I'm honest people they do not have advanced directed the end of 1999 fiscal this year and now says that areas are you don't need any entire need a key steal the Texas any time you're doing a whale and and a lot of people feel that it's better to fill out the sky and found one documents that their legal counsel that's certainly what someone should enter and it's a fairly simple for a minute just aunt of it as a represented Landis and applying the person that you have in this conferencing and neither ensure spells are assembling from our car when your children I'd to make important decisions for you when you are unable to the seven hospital in all set to dine that person you appoint as to what measures she might want taken at the end of your life events are extended stay in July is one to reinvent a witch of processing is O intended the individuals and I really think that he should note from green for this and a support the bill thank you for what purpose does the java man should represent a jeweler Nuys division the second time the job has afforded a bell savings out the same as a speaker on time and it is the same year to check with people that they had to do the things if all the bills that were working on this very important , Davis love is a student in this build even(SPEAKER CHANGES) if I select a steady line because I didn't practice in this area and a colleague reduced a sickout of them develop more of these of this track is in our function is running son that is why I sit up here is a matter for taking our folks from our citizens and to the defendant said Gens 46 states might do something different, and voted like people in North Carolina specifically what my district cell I'm concerned with folks in North Carolina not 46 other states that do not enjoy the sun rays the agency's butter or tea other states do something about a 77 from the SMS and as high as 25 percent short more yield for one as a jelly Nancy alter the Jonathan Gilford use of the house version of Jordan what happens with the default position as there's someone in a hospital and they have not been one of these forms with what happens in the city of next of kin like to run for the citadel embassy and effective five and is that they're home yet to go on and they say they are you don't notice us another relative this closure cameras out there that time you go with 11 people aren't they say they were a master's license and a lot of respect is as follow does the java man she loves it is a question from Jonathan Geffen added he has not what happens if there's not a Mexican available and the doctors enough to decide what to do and maybe something very different from what you want to do so and inclusion when all of these documents, like the all the senses possible bombast and then saying the venomous bill would only take the witness protection on setting itself up of others making the Johnson white men who stands recognizes in fourth in a minute ,(SPEAKER CHANGES) and that the only team in the business and most are many buildings one mime troupe of the wonderland to read the job has 14 of 18 and off-speed as tax evasion of the reading that my father mail out in the press is a prom dresses Cunningham automation if there's a notary at least there's another east bay of and even if you can read the person's signature you can at least find into sectors state's office and its New Bell in office not notary dozen undersea right every time .....

When we send out documents for people to get notarized outside of our office as if I make a mackerel so that they should attract Japanese, but if you just democrat David resting now the option of having the two signatures of witnesses if you have two illegible signatures you can find out why they didn't solve this amendment does incessantly stayed out of your the dress they claim to be living in all the question now is the amended it would be which members listed Johnson, wishes to debate the amendment to the Johnson, maximizes recognizing that the men taking as the speaker and modesty and rise to support represents(SPEAKER CHANGES) Ian Zimmerman because the absolutely right , and the investment, for longtime soil debris would support system, but for whatever says the java from Rockingham Edison Johnson as I see forever as a just a dozen Johnson lady of the java martini and ideals makers in spam when you out the gun here witnesses to provide their names and addresses same course you just can't rise that is this where they say they are, easier the reason why they couldn't, supply of aid in the case in point, like in the picture of the perhaps , that's the problem , saint john's of the ballet's garden I've seen a witness discussed in the city of identification and so they get that they don't know the person he sat atop the driver's license and look in that year on your option of no memory , they didn't provide the identification to common questions does the java from late edition question from the Johnson Rockingham the yields I do not favor of the same label AT&T looks to me like you're trying to generate some of the compromise by aides say that the witnesses would have to provide their names and addresses and (SPEAKER CHANGES)I guess I'm wondering if you think it would be appropriate in days away cases would have something to verify a bear names and addresses like perhaps if they got the tape, residence, isn't in the debate the merits of elected event known for another reason many as the slowdowns in sales are so confusing that's I never used I use a one page form that's much clearer size for making this for this particular for each year my name of however slightly produce a bill Soviets of the but you're suggesting that they have to provide identification begs the question provided because if there had been witnessed only , alternatives there is nobody that they're providing into for what purpose does the gentleman from a southern division of Cleveland arrives at chess revision of spam question does the job from white to the Jonathan Mussina ID yields I can understand the rationale in the context of a notorious, who you would give the address to Harvard someone has to be asking these people for their name and asking us to the witness and having them over of seven them sign a document and I see no problem with depression was performing this committee in the legion of Mary in asking could you please let me see your driver's license if you have something miserable address, just for verification of, I would think that would be appropriate for use in that might be appropriate but the bill doesn't require that that's the problem we don't have that person gets its lot of record does the gentleman from a soloist as initial question of the john white U.S. message of mychele ID yields at this point in the process (SPEAKER CHANGES) I think it's more important to make sure that the witnesses are who they say they are we're not concerned about the individual was having them sign the document and and and with that, mind hi, I cannot buy your argument that slung over racial it'll have to worry about , to respond yes, under current law ........

The notary is identifying not only the patient, but is also identifying, verifying the identification of the witnesses. If the bill passes, that does not happen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Ash, representative Jordan, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think representative Stam has, I see why you were hesitant on your amendment. I do like your amendment. It would make the bill, if it does pass, a little bit better. But yet I agree your point was currently the notary notarizes the person executing the document, the patient, as well as the two witnesses. So we know who everybody is. If we were given the choice of a notary or two witnesses, and we choose the two witnesses, who knows who they are, and they only require signatures. So at least with this amendment, they have to get two signatures and some kind of address, but we still don't know anything about who they are. So I would support the amendment as as better than nothing. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Forsyth, representative Lambeth, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would also support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Jim. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate on the amendment. If not the question before the House is the passage of amendment one offered by Representative Stam. Those in favor will vote aye those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine, record the vote. 115 having voted in the affirmative and two in the negative the amendment is adopted. We are now back on the bill as amended. Further discussion, further debate on the bill. If not the question before the House is the passage of House bill 146 on the second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 50 having voted in the affirmative and 67 in the negative House Bill 146 fails on the second reading. House Bill 187 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Glazier, Horn, Faircloth, McGrady House Bill 187, a bill to be entitled "An act to provide that if a person commits the offense of cyberstalking if the person knowingly installs or places a tracking device without consent and uses the device to track the location of an individual." General assembly will now ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Nash, representative Collins, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To change my vote on the last bill. I had meant to hit the red button and missed it by an inch. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So the gentleman wishes to be recorded as no? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as having voted no. The gentleman from Cumberland, representative Glazier is recognized to debate House Bill 187. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker and members. This is a bill that passed out of House Judiciary unanimously sponsored by representative Horne, representative Faircloth, Representative McGrady and myself and what it basically does is provide that a person who commits the offense of cyberstalking, if the person knowingly installs or places a tracking device without consent and uses that device to track a person. This is a bill that's passed now in eleven states. We modeled it after Virginia. And what's been happening is GPS has been used on occasion to track by perpetrators to stalk and track young victims in isolated areas, or spouses if they are in domestic violence situations, and this says that's going to be a crime. There are exemptions and we have worked pretty tirelessly, all of the sponsors and J committee chairs to create exemptions. There are two amendments pending. One by Representative Stim that I find support that deals with an issue that we tried to get right the other day and there is a technical amendment as well that I have and I know of no opposition to the bill. Mister Speaker if you would like me to run my amendment I'd move on that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth his amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier moves to amend the bill on page 2 lines 25 through 31 by rewriting those lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker. Members yesterday we worked with car dealers and used dealers association and we put an amendment together to make sure that they could number one track their own fleet and number two track circumstances where they are a creditor and someone hasn't fully paid. So they knew where

property was we consolidated them, but that's a mistake. We need to separate them back out because of the consent issue. I know of no opposition, it's simply breaking it back out. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of Amendment 1 sent forth by Representative Glazier. Those in favor will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Representative Holley, does the lady wish to vote on the amendment? Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the amendment is adopted. For what purpose does the lady from Surry, Representative Stevens, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members, I agree with Representative Glazier that there's not really a lot of objection to this bill, but I think there are some unintended consequences. Based on the way the bill is currently written, I may consent to put a GPS tracker on my car, but I loan it to my sister or my friend. Does that mean they've consented to be tracked? Or am I now having a criminal offense because I have this GPS tracker there and my friend is driving the car? I just think there's some unintended consequences. If it's a domestic situation: there's not violence, we haven't separated, but I'm suspicious my husband might be cheating, and I've got a GPS tracker on my vehicle. It's titled to me, or it's titled jointly to me and my husband. Is it now a criminal offense that I've used this GPS tracking? I think it's just not clear enough on consent by whom. Is it consent of the owner of the vehicle? Then you've got the problem with the domestic violence situation: my husband may own the vehicle, but I'm trying to escape from him. So I think there's probably still a little bit more confusion with this bill. Representative Glazier was willing to work with me on it, but I'm not 100% sure how to fix it either. So I just ask us all to take that consideration in as we proceed with this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To offer an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam moves to amend the bill on page 2 lines 18 through 22 by rewriting those lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Wake has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. We did see in Judiciary 2 another unintended consequence, and this amendment fixes that. It's not technical, but it's minor. I would suggest to Representative Glazier that we object to third reading so that we can solve any other unintended consequences, and if he doesn't object I will. But this amendment would address the probably rare situation. It's on page 2 line 18 to 22. It rewrites the exception where a parent or legal guardian can track that person's child. Well then there's an exception to the exception if that parent or legal guardian is subject to a domestic violence protection order. However, not all protective orders are either true or correct. You may have got one ex parte or in a big brawl and it may be that you have custody of that child yourself and you should not be prohibited from tracking your own child just because in some collateral proceeding maybe that you didn't even know about, somebody got an order on you. So we're adding the words therein 'Unless the parent or legal guardian subject to the order has custody of the minor.' Minor amendment, hope you'll support it and the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do either of the gentleman wish to debate the amendment? For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Glazier, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, and I completely agree with Representative Stam. I think it fixes the issue that he was concerned with yesterday, and encourage everyone to vote aye on the amendment. And I agree with him that if it passes second, and hopefully it will, that I'll object to third so that Representative Stevens and I can look at the word consent. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McNeill, does the gentleman wish to debate the amendment or the bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have a question on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of Amendment 2 sent forth by Representative Stam. Those in favor will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote.

Personally use java was the only man of life, she recorded at 118 having voted in the affirmative in a native humanities adopted him back on the bill was not, says the john and from a handoff revenue as question of the bill's sponsor does the gentleman from a suitable sponsor before the budget is the Johnson family of the java from an off night to the house banking message and leisure of economics of the causes of nested on the mental stamina and star which has made tracking system is more than a tracking system but of the deep concern that purpose have assured the LAN segment to 82 dozen of the,(SPEAKER CHANGES) representing deal because this is only one is put on a vehicle without consent of the person is buying or lonelier pleasing Arabia that so it doesn't affect in outlook is out with both the dealers association and use dealers association their farm bill making for what purpose does the job and for Mac, represented December as tacit question never been a pleasure as does the Jonathan Kaplan yield to the job of formatting were again ,(SPEAKER CHANGES) and leisure what does this mean to me this correctly that if a spouse suspecting off as an adult rate plus a talker of power may be committing crime but they have won best suited to do so and are not under domestic violence protective order today without becoming a thing to some degree that is correct assessment of the problem of whom were they have done that in the starting line in this heads the heart and make the distinction from the U.S. and private investigators are from the Latin roots of warranty work on this , as well as the eyes of the problem with just as issue of the times and that's exactly what then is stalking is a curve, and so the fuel of votes separated annual of Leah without consent of the other spouse and track on their car yet that would be legal and I think a lot of the final thing we have the right to be tracking a without consent a spouse who were having from the concerns that because otherwise be that the GPS tracker on them is part of the problem because we can't differentiate one that's happening when its lead to violence and its leaders talking made action chosen this place is known as the bill's sponsor of the press today some smaller bills displaced hassle to 55 however I believe offensively this season and I believe that he-said was the name of receiver office and finance committee chairman pat is an indication is donated against an estimate as practiced and invest in the city's development in the NHL is the house, man has built a 55 from today's counter inside a committee of as a state-of the only when Senator Sam has been true for him to the entire letter from a different position, (SPEAKER CHANGES) five is not an allowable section of civil contempt Johnson was not among them is a java-resist and has a full of the data to make you the state and then as a house while this invasion wondering that help get it off as the wealthy window at , sometimes arena some of the U.S. decision in huge office drops were they get that in this and several others for Finley for myself in recent days have appeal said you could do a fine to enforce civil contempt well be a criminal contempt symbol until you can do fines and criminal can see out but textbook warnings are probably hundreds of years is what several can get this is to get somebody to do something not to punish it for what they have the so you put them in the party until later on the side of the dour one early afternoon but you can't finally oppose this criminal contempt said this is just write a novel although (SPEAKER CHANGES) I don't hopefully they will be plotting an review articles written about the a decision that Mayor Jones dropped for whatever says Latham said they represent Stevens rise and seeing the kind of deal began at......

see if Representative Stam will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the lady from Surry? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I wasn't in the committee as these bills were heard, so please forgive me. There is some provision in civil contempt, though, that if you've met the condition prior to ever coming before the judge, then you completely escape punishment, even though you've had contemptuous behavior. Is there another way we can deal with that kind of contempt, where the court can't hold you in contempt if you violated the order, but. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In that case, they would be purged of their civil contempt. Now maybe they could be accused of criminal contempt for delaying it, but once they've done it, they've done it. Just for historical curiosity, the worst case of civil contempt was when some city fathers and mothers in Missouri were ordered by a federal judge to raise taxes. And the civil contempt--they were held in--whatever--it was like they would double everything every two days. It was wild. But anyway, this just gets the law back to where it was when Leo was a young man. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Bishop, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask a question of Representative Stam. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from Mecklenburg? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do I understand that you're saying that the only way then to impose civil contempt sanctions would be to imprison someone? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's right. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? Let me ask you this, Representative Bishop. Would the gentleman like to redirect his question to gentleman the from Cumberland? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Be glad to. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Cumberland yield to the gentleman from Mecklenburg? [SPEAKER CHANGES] He does. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] How would the court impose a contempt penalty that is aimed at procuring compliance at an organization, if not by a per-day fine? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let me, and I apologize, I was engaged in the past bill and a discussion with the Speaker, so I'm not sure what Representative Stam said, but I'll give you the history that I hope answers the question. The law is for 100 years, actually, or so, been clear. The statute's clear, we thought. And the statute says the only way to deal with civil contempt is by imprisonment. There's never been a case until a month ago in North Carolina that ever allowed a fine for civil contempt. It's only for criminal contempt. And the statute's really clear about that. And all the Institute of Government training of Superior Court and district court judges for years and years, and we went back and looked at them since 2008, have been clear and that's been the advice given, but a judge in one case, in a domestic case, sort of went off and did a fine that was to be given to third party, and it doesn't really matter the facts of that case, and sort of aberrationally said, well in rare case you might have this, and allowed it, sort of without relating to the statutes. And a number of lawyers and writers said that changes the law that's been the case and we've learned since law school and that we teach. So this is to go back and say the statute that says now that the only way you can deal with civil contempt is by imprisonment is, we mean what we say. And you can't be issuing fines. And there's no, there was no opposition. Your point about how you would get an institution to, is, I think the easy way is to say institutions don't run just as institutions. They run by their officers or their directors, and if I think a court had to do it on civil contempt, they would go that route and have to imprison order to compliance, the particular official or officials involved. But usually they don't have to because they have the choice in most of those cases of going criminal or civil, and on criminal you can obviously issue the fines. So I think that's the problem. Here they went civil, and did something that really should have been criminal contempt, which would have given them the authority. But they didn't do that, and so we're saying in civil, you really can't do fines. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I learn something every day. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the bill? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 284 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, House Bill 284 passes its second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further

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JVYVUB [0:00:00.0] The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 116 having voted in the affirmative and one in the negative. The House Bill 291 passes its second reading and will without objection be read at third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 291 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those oppose will say no. The ayes have it the House Bill 291 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. And what bill is ordered in grossed as it was amended. House Bill 364, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, the House Bill 364: A bill to be entitled an act to clarify the conflict of interest provisions for certain commissions and to modify appointments to several state boards and commissions. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Harnett, Representative Louis has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, House Bill 364 that you have before you I will be as brief as I can. We have been reviewing the child court order in the Coal-Ash lawsuit, we agree with many of the courts conclusions, excuse me we disagree with many of the courts conclusions and have appealed it. However, we have identified certain points raised by the court and their order regarding executive order, executive orders and legislative service on the certain boards that we can fix while remaining incompliance with the court’s order and the North Carolina Supreme Court rulings. The bill has two provisions; the first one clarifies the requirements regarding executive orders in the statues creating the Coal-Ash Management Commission, the Environmental Management Commission, and the Coastal Resources Commission. The clarification takes out the requirement that the Governor issue executive orders regarding conflict of interest and provides that the Governor may issue criteria regarding conflicts of interest. Of course all these board members remain subject to the Ethics Act but with this change the Governor may decide to require additional disclosures giving the sensitive nature of these particular commissions work. Part two, it brings three boards and commissions into compliance with a ruling in Wallace v Bone which is 1973 court case, which says that rule that legislators could not serve on certain boards and commissions. Statutes regarding the North Carolina longitude data systems board, the Domestic Violence Commission, and the Governor’s Crime Commission are revised to clarify that legislators may not serve on these. Just to be clear as it was asked yesterday the legislature is not yielding any of this appointment power it is merely acknowledging the court order that the legislature cannot appoint a legislator to fill the spot, it must be a member of the general public. I would ask for your support please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 364 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those oppose will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 118 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. The House Bill 364 passes its second reading and will without objection be read at third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 364 on its third reading, those in favor will say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those oppose will say no. The ayes have it the House Bill 364 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 270, oh actually before we do that the Chair would like to recognize a very special guest, former Representative ?? Floyd, he’s with us in the gallery and also a new member of the board of Governors. ?? we are glad to have you here with us today. [Applause] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ratification of bills and resolutions, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The following bills to be ratified… [0:05:00.4] [End of file…]

Presentation to the government. Senate bill 305, an act to provide cost recovery for acquisition for joint municipal power agency ownership interests in generating facilities, to authorize municipalities that members of the joint municipal power agencies to enter into support contracts and to issue bonds to pay the costs of projects that are sold. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chapter bills will be noted. Gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister speaker, earlier today I filed with the clerk a resolution amending the temporary House rules. I respectfully request that the resolution be assigned a number and that it be added to today's calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is there objection? Hearing none, so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Blust rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if the gentleman will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Harnett yield to the gentleman from Guilford? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, mister speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is it your intention, then, to not even go through the rules committee with the permanent House rules but to bring them directly to the floor today? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust, as I was going to explain when the Speaker recognized me. All we're doing is, it's on your desk. All we're doing is changing certain dates that members have requested be changed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. All right. That's fine. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, Representative Blust, we were, and I believe you're gonna do this for 481 too, is that correct? Do you prefer to have the first reading on that, it would be that intention that these bills do go through the rules committee, but we're trying to move the process along. Without objection, it is ordered that the rules are suspended so that House bill, House joint, House resolution 480 have its first reading today. Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, House resolution 480, House resolution to amend the temporary rules of the House of Representatives concerning certain requests in filing deadlines to increase the number of public bills a member may file, and to change the crossover deadlines. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The, just a moment. House will be at ease. Members, to make sure the body understands this procedure, the gentleman is gonna, is gonna move to adopt this, this resolution. This is the one that simply changes the dates and changes the bill limit from ten to fifteen. It makes no other changes. There's also the permanent rules that will be considered in the rules committee either today or tomorrow, whenever the rules committee wants to call that meeting. So is there discussion or debate on the gentleman's motion for adoption of House resolution 480? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Blust rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Perhaps this is just an inquiry of the chair. Given that next week is spring break and a lot of bills are piling up as bill filings go forward, might it not be appropriate to leave the crossover deadline as it is, or even extend that a, a week too, because that's gonna be a lot of bills piling up very quickly for the final three weeks of April. I just wonder if that's something we should consider. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust, I believe that we're operating under the April 30 date as the crossover date presently. We haven't adopted, well let me understand, this date applies to Senate bills. This is the date by which Senate bills must arrive to the House. It doesn't change what the Senate, about, what the Senate requires for House bills coming there, so we need, if we're gonna move it, which frankly I'm amendable to, we need to reach an agreement with the Senate for a different date. Right now, the agreement is for April 30, but we would not unilaterally want to extend our date without the Senate also extending their date. But I have no objection to doing that, but we, the biggest thing right now is we need to get these other dates squared away so that with the spring break coming up. Further discussion, further debate on the motion? For what purpose does the gentleman from Johnston, Representative Daughtry rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Daughtry moves to amend the bill on page one, lines 22. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Johnston has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members we, I've served here a long time and when the Republicans were in charge, we always had the ten bill limit which I thought was way too many and to increase this to 15 is adding 600 bills

...and that is a lot of bills that could eventually become laws on our citizens. I think it's very important that we look at each bill carefully to make sure it's a good idea and that it works. I think adding six hundred more bills to the pile of bills we already have is way too many and I hope that you would vote for this amendment to return it back to ten. Thank you. [Speaker changes] For this.. For what does the gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis, rise? [Speaker changes] Mr. Speaker I appreciate the gentleman from Johnston. [Speaker changes] To debate, the gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes] My apologies, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. I appreciate the gentleman from Johnston offering this amendment. I want to tell the members how this proposed amendment came about. I think all members of the chamber whether or not you've been ecstatic with the bills that have passed out of this chamber so far would acknowledge that speaker Moore has worked hard to be inclusive and empowering of the members of the body. We received a request from the minority party to raise the bill limit to twenty. Representative Daughtry is correct. It has been at ten since the Republicans have had the majority. The rationale that Representative Hall, I hope it's with the gentleman's permission, that I can speak, that I can attribute this to him, the rationale that was given to the Speaker and to me was that with a fewer number of members, they would like the opportunity to register in and make statements of policy and bills, whether or not those bills are passed or not. It's a simple compromise. Just raising the bill limit from ten to fifteen, it's neither plausible nor even thinkable that everybody in here is going to go and run and file an extra five bills, but there may be some who need to do that. With all due respect, I would ask that you please defeat the amendment. [Speaker changes] For what purpose does the gentleman from Johnston, Representative Daughtry, rise? [Speaker changes] To speak a second time. [Speaker changes] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment a second time. [Speaker changes] This limit does not include local bills nor agency bills. These are just ideas that people in this body have and if you talk about six hundred more ideas we don't need to put that on the people of this state. Its-It's a bad idea and I hope you'll keep it at ten. That's plenty of bills. Ten bills with a hundred and twenty that’s one thousand two hundred bills to be heard in this body. That's enough work for us to do this year. Thank you. [Speaker changes] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Hardister, rise? [Speaker changes] To debate the amendment. [Speaker changes] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes] Members, I think this is a good amendment. I think a ten bill limit is sufficient and therefore I'd ask you to vote for it. [Speaker changes] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Hall, rise? [Speaker changes] To speak on the amendment. [Speaker changes] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the concern right now for brevity and limiting the number of bills to ten, but at the same time, I hope that we're going to continue the effort to let members have good ideas. Some of the bills we file become bills that the majority party takes and use. That's fine. We are about trying to get the ideas out and get them discussed and have that opportunity. Certainly, every member is not going to file fifteen bills. We know that. Some members are more active in certain areas of expertise than others. We should not inhibit them and keep them from contributing to the state. I understand if there was a possibility that we would all exercise that limit that might be a problem. We know our experience is that's not what happens. So, again, we will feel fifteen bills would be sufficient to give people in certain areas of expertise, specifically in areas of concern for their area of the state that have specific problems, as well basic needs, that this would satisfy them. We ask that you defeat the amendment. Let's go ahead and keep it at fifteen. Give people an opportunity to bring this ideas forward and if you decide they are not worthy of your support we can vote them down or if they are worthy of your support you can take them and use them to help North Carolina. [Speaker changes] For what purpose does the lady from Surry, --Stevens, rise? [Speaker changes] To speak on the amendment. [Speaker changes] The lady has the floor to debate the amendment. [Speaker changes] I want to speak in favor of Representative Daughtry's amendment. As a person who has already clearly filed about twenty bills, we have a procedure in place for those people who have more ideas. I have received tokens from various members of the committee. If we look at the number of bills that are filed today and divide by ten, there's a whole lot of bill tokens still out there. We can...

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Keeping an idea alive knowing one day the majority might change. And many of these bills, if you work on them over several years, you improve your own bills that you file. And I just think it's one of the things you win at the ballot box as a member. You can come down here and you can file bills and you can tell people hey, I ran on this and I filed a bill to do it. They wouldn't hear it, but that's just the way the system works. Now I'd even go further um, and I think this is a good compromise at this date to give people five more bills. I'm not planning on filing mine. You, you get a different perspective in the majority, but I wouldn't even, if it were my brothers, I wouldn't even have a bill filing deadline because that could, that could prevent this, this absurdity we see where bills go over from other houses and they're stripped, Senate bills are stripped here and an absolutely completely different subject's put in it. Where's the bill filing deadline for that? So there are ways to get bills filed well after the deadline in, in many instances. And to some extent, this is a fiction with the tokens. And I just think we ought to, we ought to grant this important compromise that the leadership has worked out and vote this amendment down. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For what purpose does the gentleman from Gaston Representative Torbett rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Ask the minority leader a question please. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Does the gentleman from Durham yield to the gentleman from Gaston? [SPEAKER CHANGE] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGE] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you Mr. Minority Leader. I, I'm not skeptical or anything, but this is evidently brought forward with a purpose and I was wonder if there was any kind of time factor. Do, are you just now under, trying to determine that somehow this is sequestering a voice or has this been an ongoing thing since the beginning of the session? Why, why, why today for example? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Well the amendment came forward today at the uh, pleasure of the rules chair. We discussed a matter that's been ongoing in discussion since the start of session and um, as you, as you may recall, we didn't really get consulted uh, on this when it was made a ten deal limit. So that was never our desire and uh, was not something we willingly uh, agreed to. [SPEAKER CHANGE] One follow up, Mr. Speaker. Does the gentleman from Durham yield to an additional question from the gentlemen from Gaston? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes, mister. [SPEAKER CHANGE] He yields. So you could attest that there was no trigger in recent days or recent counter dates that might have brought this on? [SPEAKER CHANGE] No, this was a request and a discussion that was being had from the start of session. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank, thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For what purpose does the gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask that the amendment along with the bill be temporarily displaced. [SPEAKER CHANGE] So ordered house resolution as well as the amendment is temporarily displaced. House Bill 273, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representatives Jackson and Glazier, House Bill 273. A bill to be entitled on that to clarify that the provisions regarding deferred prosecution and conditional discharge of convictions of H and I felonies and misdemeanors under structured sentences do not apply to convictions of impaired driving and to clarify that offenses involving impaired driving cannot be imposed. Johnson is my client in next. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman from Wake, Representative Jackson is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm not gonna take very long. I know we've got an upcoming very long debate. The bill was pretty self explanatory. There are two provisions under the law where you end up with not having a permanent conviction. One is the conditional discharge and the second is the expungement law. I don't believe from my reading and my memory when we passed these bills that we intended that DWI be allowed to be discharged or expunged. However, I've handed out something to you today that shows that there are other attorneys in this state who believe it can be expunged and based that on the fact that we listed what offenses weren't eligible to be expunged. And by not listing DWI, we basically gave our implicit consent to expunge DWI. This bill would fix that. I'd be happy to answer any questions, but didn't want to take much time today. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 273 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The court will open the vote.

[SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative and 1 in the negative, House Bill 273 passes its second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. For what purpose does the gentlleman from Cumberland, Rep-does the gentleman wish to be recorded as having voted aye on the previous vote? So noted. The question before the House is the passage of House Bill 273 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye, those opposed will say no. The ayes have it. House Bill 273 passes its third reading, will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 345, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Steinburg, House Bill 345, a bill to be entitled An Act to Allow Currituck County to Remove Abandoned Vessels from Navigable Waters, General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Chowan, Representative Steinburg, is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I knew if I bit into that Werther's and started chewing it, that that's when this bill was going to come up, so I got one of those Werther's stuck between my teeth here. This is, this is really a very simple bill. We have a couple of counties that have this in place right now. We're merely adding Currituck to Brunswick and Dare County and this is to remove abandoned vessels from the, the canals and so forth that exist in Currituck County and it's not only, just like folks abandon houses, they also abandon their boats. And they're in these canals and they're becoming navigational hazards, as well as unsightly neighborhood distractions. So, that's what this bill is all about. It passed unanimous in the committee today and I will answer any questions that anyone might have and, excuse me for the Werther's. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 345 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Representative Hanes, does the gentleman wish to record on this vote? The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 118 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. House Bill 345 passes its second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 345 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye. Those opposed will say no. The ayes have it, and House Bill 345 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 254, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives G. Martin, Whitmire, Pendleton, and Salmon, House Bill 254, a bill to be entitled An Act to Extend National Guard Re-employment Rights to Members of the National Guard and Other States. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Martin, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Members I'm pleased to be joined in sponsoring this bill by Representatives Whitmire, Pendleton, and Salmon. It was heard today in the House Homeland Security Committee. Many of y'all may know that when an Army Reservist or a National Guardsman is called to active duty by the President, to federal active duty, they have under federal law, protections for their job when they come off active duty. When a member of the North Carolina, excuse me the North Carolina National Guard is called to active duty, a state statute protects their job when they come back off of active duty. But the little quirk, a little bit of a loophole in our law, a North Carolinian who happens to serve in an adjacent or other state's National Guard, say in South Carolina, Tennessee, or Virginia. If in South Carolina, Governor Haley calls them to state active duty, they're technically not protected under North Carolina law. So all this bill does is clear up that loophole so a North Carolinian serving in another state's National Guard, who is called to state active duty by another

Another danger is the same as the north Carolinian connectivity the government Korea north, much more modest bastion for the navy is not a question for the house's passage of house bill 254 on a second reading those of a rule that out is a place of identifiable of an event version for it is the jobless report on this bill would generate Turner is that what you wish to report on this couple of versions of the (SPEAKER CHANGES)if you want to call the hotline received more than 118 embedded in the fighting nonnative house bill 254 passes a second reading and one of us read a 3rd of June 17th, and it's a discussion for the data is not a question for the house's passage of the house bill 254 missed the meeting as a firewall say I was a base business a man in a 7000 to 54 passes the reading will be sent to senate members house bill 95 short file as tribal ABC did see a previously refer to this building committee on finance in consultation with the financiers and bill sponsor the chairs the German the bill does not meet the DB refer to the committee on finance reform bill is anathema to many of them as a business for calendar DH as considering adding it to today's calendar is there objection to the building added at the conclusion of a scout the java from the makers of state has recognized, reserving the right to object later I disliked to use the funding committee summary of course meal and will maintain that back at the mama's the house bill 95 is the young at the general accident, jack is acting as the a clerk's is , the bill's sponsor server version of less than john is designed it may be added to today's calendar its employees at great get house bill 283 victory as is (SPEAKER CHANGES) Mr. Blackwell has been to 83 and active in the locker room sessions of this report about the register's radio in march and Johnson welcome and that some java from MSN Latin of recognized of a bill -spoken of in his eyes widen its plan despite the opposition and look at the statute that Spain and you'll see in the first part of it that says that the Moscow as planned, basically, sensations in the city of allowing in the 1992 and I think of the legislature amended than he added the sections that began about 111 and 1340 that said that, his reply from this place annually make a final sessions in the long term and county courthouse in the meantime, and back to the bat was actually done(SPEAKER CHANGES) I believe in 2000 info and again in 2013 summer practice has not been to do it on flights to your Internet and will play on chief justice martens indicated that he felt that that was a very beneficial experience that help to publicize bot what the courts about two years and its presence in the state in other parts of the study and he requested that we and the most sense is that are at the bottom again online for China that were allowed the same thing in the western part of the state of the old Burke county courthouse as is currently authorized the beatings and only one that set the supreme permit ally in fact hell sessions in the meantime that part of state government and 37 to 1867, there would be no additional cost this would be handled out of their existing appropriation according to the (SPEAKER CHANGES) chief justice I'd ask for support for a discussion for the date is not a question for the house's passage of house bill 283 on a second reading as a stable than a day's events of the native of one of the purple AC and she recorded a 118 having voted in the affirmative and nominated house bill 283 passes a second reading in Lyon and Jackson be relevant and .........

?? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 283 on its third reading. Those in favor will say ‘aye’. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those opposed will say ‘no.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The ayes have it, and House Bill 283 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 174, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representatives Bradford and Stam, House Bill 174, a bill to be amend and exchange certain notice requirements and protections for tenants of real properties in foreclosure and to allow the purchases of real property under option contracts to purse monetary damages separately from summary ejection proceedings or other amendments to the Homebuyer Protection Act. ?? North Carolina ??. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Which member is handling this bill? [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman, for what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Rep. Stam, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mt. Speaker,Representative Bradford will handle the first part of the bill, and then he’ll ask you to recognize me for the second part. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Bradford, has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To give you a little bit of background, I practiced property management for a living, and so I worked for the landlord. Well, in 2009, the government enacted a piece of legislation that protected tenants from landlords that went into foreclosure. That was a very good piece of legislation and it actually expired, or sunset, December 31 of last year. So House Bill 174, a part of that bill is to take the piece of federal legislation which is now expired and codify that into North Carolina law. Now because the federal government was working quickly during a time of recession to put something in place to help tenants who were living in properties for landlords who were going into default so they would have a place to live, they had a lot of double-talk language, so we used this opportunity to make this language more clear. and we also added some other things to make it, I think, a better bill. Most certainly, one thing that we did for example was under the federal language, a bill had to be what they call ‘bona fide,’ or a lease excuse me had to be bona fide. And bona fide really didn’t say anything other more than it had to be reasonable rent, market rent, it couldn’t be with a relative. But what it didn’t say, for example, is that a lease had to be in writing. So you could imagine trying to do something with a tenant when they say they had a lease in writing. So this bill actually adds a provision that the lease has to be in writing. Another thing that we did in this bill, and this happens a lot, sometimes when a landlord is going into default, they get very upset at the bank. I don’t think that’s justifiably something they should do but they, it has happened. So what they’’ll do is they’ll go sign, and I’ll be a little facetious here, but they might sign a ten-year lease with the tenant—just because they knew that the bank would have to honor a ten-year-lease with the tenant. So I do not think that was reasonable, so this piece of legislation only allows, or only requires a bank, to honor a lease for no more than one year. So that’s another area where we tried to clean it up. A third thing that this piece of legislation does that the federal act did not address was in situations of extreme danger or habitability. If a bank forecloses on a property and its unsafe or unfit, the old legislation it was very gray as if to a bank would have to invest twenty, thirty thousand dollars to make a property habitable just because a tenant may have a lease of three, four, five hundred dollars a month. This piece of legislation would allow a bank to not have to make it habitable, therefore releasing the tenant without any recourse against them whatsoever. This piece of legislation also talks about lease purchase options. Lease purchase options under the current statute today, if you are a landlord and you have sold a property in a lease purchase situation, essentially if the tenant, or the buyer, stops paying you, you have to go to district court to argue that they’re not paying their rent because the tenant or the buyer can argue that there is an equity position. Well, you can imagine this is very challenging because if you're a landlord and a tenant is using district court, and they keep getting appeals, it may take months—six, seven, eight months. So what we’ve done here is this piece of legislation still preserves the right for a tenant to pursue claims regarding equity. We have not removed that right from a tenant. But what it does is..

Lal and lowered to pursue his ash and to this initial summary incitement routes and also allows the tenets is still pursue the equity find whatsoever they have the district court so that all owls that NT all accountable as well as a landlord be held accountable (SPEAKER CHANGES) I want to know that this is my first bob Weinstein said a few other local bills I am cosponsoring several this is my first piece of legislation so I really worked hard to make sure that I shop this a variety of incidences two groups I've talked to the North Carolina of justice center who was supportive of this I've talked to remake his support of the realtors' association the bankers wrote and I'm even the bar association and (SPEAKER CHANGES) so I feel very good back some we've wants any objections out in advance from one last thing , yes thank all one last thing is we also are a cleanup of firefighters as safe as a piece of language under current law in North Carolina as a current senate is living in a property that is going into foreclosure they can give 10 days notice to move out and we are clean up by saying they still have 10 days notice to move out that they only have 90 days to exercise that send a notice right and the reason for that is in many instances owners Karabakh foreclosure but tenants often use that as a bomb as leverage six months down the roads and get out of the lease obligations of this narrow this limits that a nicely get passed unanimously in committee so loud speaker (SPEAKER CHANGES) if I may I would like to yield to represent a stamp for sections for five of this bill whatever says Jonathan wade represents a mouse is the code below the john Anson Ford of a bill rate was one of the lead as other questions but most of four and five were the provisions of abilities else as a believe unanimously last session and that's the theme with the breast implant for his fifth season claims that involved, circumstances arise out of the great assassin and we're just fixing those of the most significant thing in this latter part of it is if you have an unfair to sensitive trade practice which used to writes the treble damages and attorney's fees you have thrown it was unfair to set was the current law which was , allowed it to be close a tripling of the violation of the jet fighters for a discussion for the date is not a question for the house's passage of the house bill 174 on a second rating as a firewall than others oppose 11:00 one of the chronicle of a machine are more than 100 inventing adding that immune from anyone in the native house bill 174 passes a second reading in one of the action to avert a delay the sun city and state objection beyond the maze on the counter for out of the city has a 330 inventory residues of term and finally has moved to 13 build the entire conference room service for sharing evidence is related to the promotion members of the five most common citizens from Johnson, as well as Mondale represent others recognize the date the bill passes to speaker of the din of the sensible deal of time the mrta of it all the parties involved in women with many of them police and firemen and that they were pleased with the extra language that has been added to our civil service board ,(SPEAKER CHANGES) because it really change a great deal of David everyone's things that day and have never seen differently in the paper presents the entire identity 73 support for the discussion for the date is not a question for the house's passage of the house bill 313 on a second reading this is a woman of those opposing the medical evidence ....

The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. One hundred and fifteen having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, House Bill 313 passes at second reading and will, without objection, be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Asembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 313 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those opposed will say no. The ayes have it. House Bill 313 passes its third reading. Will be sent to the Senate. Senate Bill 78. Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senators Randleman, Daniel and Newton. Senate Bill 78, a bill to be entitled An Act To Revive That State Correctional Officer May Carry a Concealed Weapon When Off Duty. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Randolph, Representative McNeil, is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a simple bill. In the general statute, most people are excluded from concealing... carrying concealed weapons. Over the last couple of years the Legislature has exempted several people from that: judges, magistrates, district attorneys, assistant district attorneys, investigators for district attorneys, etc., etc. This task adds one more class of people, which is off-duty correctional officers, to that list of exemptions. I would appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Iredell, Representative Turner, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just to share some other comments from Senator Randleman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. The officers are not to consume alcohol or have any unlawful controlled substance in their bodies, and cannot have any alcohol or unlawful substance in their bodies. Sorry. These individuals are required to have completed their training and standards through the Department of Public Safety, which consists of 120 hours, including 26 hours of handgun training, at which point they're certified correctional officers. It is supported by the Department of Public Safety, and badly needed by our state correctional officers. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Faircloth, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think that nothing has changed as much in the past twenty or thirty years as the danger that correctional officers face now, compared to what they used to face. Primarily because the way prisons are run has loosened up quite a bit, and that's good — they were awfully brutal at one time — but they have loosened up in order to incorporate as good a living conditions as possible within the correctional institution. But in so doing, a lot more freedom is given to the inmate, and a lot more ability to interact with other inmates and with the correctional officers. We've also, during that time, seen the growth, both on the street, but particularly in the correctional system, of gangs. And these are gangs that aren't just a bunch of guys that just make a lot of noise. These are folks who will actually kill you. They will actually threaten to do it, and they will actually do it in many cases. These correctional officers are placed by us in a position of ensuring that those gang members act properly within prison, and are as orderly as they can possibly be. But from time to time, one of them will have contacts outside, and will threaten a correctional officer, and give the order out to do harm to that officer, and I don't want our state employees, that are trained very well in the correctional system — not paid very well, but do a great job — I don't want to give them any more dangerous situation than they have already, and I think we can help their situation by allowing them to carry a... properly carry a firearm as provided in this bill, so I do urge your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Vance, Representative Baskerville, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Question for the bill sponsor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the...? Well, there's not a bill sponsor. It's a Senate bill. The gentleman will need to direct it to a member. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To Miss... to Representative Turner. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the lady from Iredell yield to the gentleman from Vance? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] She yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Turner, thank you. You talk...

Think about the training and the hours that the correctional officers had to go through. This, the bill measures meet the firearms training standards of the Division of Adult Correction of the Department of Public Safety. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I am familiar with BLET, basic law enforcement training that the officers have to go through to get on the sheriff’s department to get on the police department. Is ..is that the same thing as what’s in this bill that these folks have to go through, the BLET training? I don’t know if you would know that. That’s why was trying to get it to the bill sponsor. I’m just not, it’s not a getcha, gotcha question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. This might be a better question for Representative McNeill or Representative Faircloth. [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Vance wish to direct his question to either Representative McNeill or Representative Faircloth? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let’s try Representative McNeill maybe? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Randolph yield to a question from the gentleman from Vance? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sorry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Would you restate it again? I think I understand it, but just to make sure. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I like the bill. I want to make sure that the folks have gotten training dealing with firearms. I know about BLET training, basic law enforcement training that the cops and the sheriffs have to go through. Is this training here that’s in the billI, talking about training by Division of Adult Correction, it that BLET training or something, you know, substantially similar to that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is substantially similar. I don’t think it is quite as lengthly as is the basic law enforcement training, but it is more than concealed. As I remember, and I’m speaking off the top of my head, I think the, the training in the academy for firearms is 26 hours and then they have to re-qualify every year. Most concealed weapons classes are around eight hours, and once they get that they don’t have to go back ever again. So, it is, it’s somewhere between concealed and BLET. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the House is the passage of House Bill, excuse me, Senate Bill 78 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 108 having voted in the affirmative and eight in the negative, Senate Bill 78 passes its second reading and will without objection be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the House is the passage of Senate Bill 78 on its third reading. Those in favor will say ‘aye’. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those opposed will say ‘no.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The ayes have it, and Senate Bill 78 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate—strike that, will be enrolled and sent to the Governor. Members, the Chair is about to recognize the Rules Chair for a motion pertaining to the calendar. Just for those of you who are following this, where we stand. The bills that have yet to be done for the day are the following. We still have Senate Bill 181, which is the Wade County Commissioner’s District’s bill. The chair believes there may be just a little bit of discussion about that bill. Uh, House Bill 255 was referred to Finance. And then House Resolution 480, which had been temporarily displaced. There’s also the third reading to House Bill 174. Does the lady still wish to leave her objection—Representative Stevens. Does the lady wish to withdraw her objection to third reading? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No sir. We’re working on a little amendment, just clears up something else for me. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The, very well. The bill will remain on the counter for third reading. So where that takes us, members, is we have four bills that are eligible to be added to today’s calendar. These are bills that were read earlier, and I’m going to go back and if members want to withdraw their objection they can and if not the Rules Chair will make a motion to add the bills to the calendar. The first one was House Bill 95, which is the tribal ABC bill. Is there objection remaining to that bill going on today’s calendar? Hearing none, the bill will be added to today’s calendar. House Bill 195 which is the biosimilars bill amending the North Carolina pharmacy practice to allow for substitution of interchangeable biological products. Is there objection remaining to that bill going on today’s calendar?

[SPEAKER CHANGES] There was objection there. Very well. We will do these all in one motion. House Bill 312, which was House Bills 312 and 236 were two bills having to do with Sheriff's Departments, the detention facilities, enter the local food bills. Is there still objection to those? There is objection. Okay, the gentleman from, from Harnett, Representative Lewis, is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I would move that House Bill 195, short title Allow Substitution of Biosimilars; House Bill 312, short title Certain Counties Share Food Purchases; House Bill 236, short title Certain Counties Purchasing Exemption be added to today's calendar, the objection notwithstanding. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The members have heard, heard the motion. Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the motion by the gentleman from Harnett to add the three bills mentioned heretofore to today's calendar for consideration. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 107 having voted in the affirmative and 10 in the negative, said three bills are added to today's calendar. The House will be at ease just a moment. The House will come back to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Orange, Representative Insko, arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to be recorded as a no vote on 78. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as voting, having voted no on Senate Bill 78. For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Adcock rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To change my vote to no on the last vote please, motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The bill-the motion to add the three bills to today's calendar, the lady will be recorded as having voted no on said motion. House Bill 312 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Presnell, House Bill 312, a bill to be entitled An Act to Allow Certain County Sheriff Offices to Contract for the Purchase of Food and Food Service Supplies for County Detention Facilities Without Being Subject to the Requirements of Certain State Purchases and Contract Laws. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Yancey, Representative Presnell, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is just a local flexibility for the sheriffs for food for detention facilities. Every school district in the state is exempt and these counties are asking to be exempt from these contract requirements also. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to-did the lady w-okay. For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Holley, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] First of all, when the state of North Carolina and this body puts rules and regulations in place it is for our protection. And what these bills-or this bill is asking, is it's saying no longer do you have to abide by the rules and regulations that we implement here. You can do what you want when you want to do it and how you want to do it. Now there's some instances like the particular one that we had a couple of weeks ago that was in Representative Howard's district was uniquely different in that they had looked at the public procurement laws and rules and had exhausted those prior to going to something else. But some of you are business people in here and if you have and, some of the counties that have been added to the

The national counties and have the opportunity to place a vehicle on a contract you have an opportunity of money by to take that opportunity away from you don't want to be able to place back deeds and the compacted in that process now come to be a piece of this kind of man of the file is being paid for tomorrow and met today to not having an amendment making out the loss of taking out the accountability and a quality that prevents of us think anybody can take that into the dictates and none of them at the costs and he doesn't get an activation of the system before you opportunity is whether the man who comes in a city or county it is a bit too late and it costs a team and (SPEAKER CHANGES) I'm excited sites is simple enough, charts to share of the doing damage out what kind of the kind of animal bidding process sites can't even speak against this bill happy that we have put Wallace and rules in place for potato we think I'll get it done a nice bit ticked off a founder of the aisle unique situations that will allow these counties it necessary to back off a contract with the back after the siege of Ide mime and is now 20 four for whatever says the mother says laid law whatever's is away from USC represent as they are as a night when the ITC we get into the name its wine list for a time when scanning from medicine in spam E and from that perch and (SPEAKER CHANGES) T. Ferraro represented west and had this is taxpayer 1993 shares need to have the ability to seize what stance for their Chinese thinking whatever says the lady from one's ever since the riots might seek an appeal may be as a flood of a bill I think you missed the care of this is essentially an assistant for salsa permissive build it is the requirements eyes essentially the same bill and I got before I've just for your information that's sheer Orange County sheriff in a large organic farming of community and an Orange County lot of the school said the contract of alligator farmers and Shearson proceeding at the jails to sign a precedent support for the bill offers his life and make them as invalid as (SPEAKER CHANGES) Mrs. PM like a simple of amenities not with the excellent lack of well, we'll gladly displace the bill of the menace for ages lighting a match times to take the man is ready , and Simon has built a key does life can run as a man of the house bill 236 visit to write asp 0195 o'clock only in for the region as if it matters as depending on the outcome of the first amendment issues the system and have a saying that the lady had as administrative and surly vision making five this is the best among them a little and it has been one and five of the entire men are men and women from the supplies and to allow for secession of indecision about logical that Johnson enough evidence the java from white letters and other as the fed in date of the house had hands make a mistake, so has the house and the money from the vessel at all, you are from a signal will allow the pharmacy will face a situation of interchangeable bomb similar , medical treatments and just try to explain the amount into the parade, but, also last speaker later to comment,(SPEAKER CHANGES) I saw rescinded more as well as represented Avalon to have some additional comments an exclamation with respect to the bill by Sellers for a relatively new category of medicines created under the Federal of Biologics pricing competition and innovation that North Carolina as many of you who may be a way out, are working on allowing the substitution of what are called interchangeable bomb similar products for biological treatments and by similar treatments, that we're not currently be allowed under the wild purpose of this building ......

Is to get on the cutting edge of innovation, in the pharmaceutical / biotechnology world, to prepare our state for really what will be a burgeoning market in biosimilar and interchangeable biosimilar treatments. This is going to be a boon for physicians, for patients to be able to access these types of treatments as they are approved by the Food and Drug Administration. The first one that will be an interchangeable biosimilar to be approved by the FDA, we anticipate that later this year and it’s a product that’s under development right here in North Carolina. The benefits of this legislation and what is being done are potentially enormous. Savings for patients in the health care system, the Rand Corporation estimated a ten year savings nationally in health care of some 44.2 billion dollars. The Generic Pharmaceutical Association actually projects savings over the course of the next ten years with just the first ten, excuse me, first eleven most likely biosimilars to enter the market at some 250 billion dollars. So the savings estimates are substantial. We have a number of states have already acted this year, and are in the process of acting just as North Carolina is acting hopefully today, here in the House. The pharmaceutical industry, including those who are working on biologics, those working on biosimilars and those working on those products that will be interchangeable biosimilars are all in agreement with this bill. We have support from a variety of pharmacy benefit management companies and of course the area that was probably most of interest with respect to negotiation was with our pharmacists since this is their practice act that is being amended. They have put in a tremendous amount of work, all the stakeholders have been at this table for days and weeks and months, literally, and they have worked out the section of this bill and are in agreement with notification provisions so that clinicians, the physicians can be aware if a interchangeable biosimilar in the future is actually given to the patient or provided to the patient, that that information will be back in the hands of the physician, the prescribing physicians. This bill also in the spirit of compromise, we put a sunset of October first, 2020. So that this General Assembly can come back and make sure over the course of the next five years that things are operating as we intended them to operate. Again, what this bill does it puts North Carolina right up there in the forefront of our development of our biotechnology industry, and most importantly to be able to access these interchangeable biosimilar treatments for patients which over the long haul will save us tremendous amounts of money and provide better outcomes for patients, and again Mr. Speaker, I believe if you would recognize Representative Martin and then Representative Avila for some additional comments and explanations of the bill and then we’ll certainly stand ready to answer any questions members may have. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Martin of Wilkinson is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Two quick things. For members here that have additional questions or interest, I want to draw your attention that I sent an email out to all House members with some of the terms and some additional information on the bill that you can look at on your computer. Secondly, I’d like to go ahead and register an objection to third reading, based on some input I’ve had from folks who want to make sure they clearly understand this and I appreciate them allowing it to be added to the calendar today for discussion and I think with additional information then we’ll get a full debate. So if you could register that. This is a great bill for North Carolina

Carolina, it does a lot of really positive things, as Representative Dollar pointed out. First of all, it's going to be good for our patients and people who are suffering from some of these diseases that we are able to have innovative technology and innovative treatment options. And this will secondly significantly reduce the cost of having that treatment, which will be good for patients for availability. And also good for our state and national budget, as a significant amount of that health care cost is borne by government and also by industry. And third, this is a jobs bill for North Carolina because, as you know, the pharma industry and the biopharmaceuticals are a huge segment for North Carolina. We're one of the top producers in the country. The first biosimilar that was approved by the FDA, which March 6th was the first time this product was approved, is manufactured at Wilson at Sandoz, a division of Novartis, who have the most biosimilars in the world. This is innovation taking place. A lot of the research and innovation is happening in North Carolina, and we want to promote that. Many legislatures around the country are dealing with this issue because it's innovative products. And we need to update our standards as the FDA is making them available. it is a very high standard for the substitution that the FDA approves. The reason that we have the notification is these act differently than the generic. They are not exactly the same. I think Representative Avila is in the best position to give more detail on that. But from a safety standpoint, physicians need to know if a person is reacting differently and exactly what they were given, if they are given the substitution, since they're not exactly the same. This is a great jobs bill for us and I hope that you will support it. If you want to look at that information, we will all be happy to take your questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This gets a little confusing with the terminology that sounds similar. But it's extremely simple if you think of it as three levels of medication. Your highest level would be your biologic. That would be your equivalent of a brand name. Then you have a biosimilar, which is a similar drug, but it differs quite a bit from the biologic and is not within the FDA range of where they would allow it to be substituted. That is the biointerchangeable. And that is the one that, through testing, the FDA has agreed that will be, there are none on the market yet, but it will be interchangeable with the biologic. And a pharmacist would be allowed to substitute that, similar to the way they substitute generics in the small-molecule medicine right now. What we've actually done is take a proactive stance to protect our patients in the state, simply because the difference in these drugs, even though it is slight with the biointerchangeables, it's still different enough that it could react quite a bit differently from one patient to the next. And when a doctor prescribes a medicine, he needs to know that that patient is going home and taking that medicine. Because if any kind of reactions take place, they need a record of that so that they will learn as we go forward as to what can be interchangeable without issues and make any modifications that are necessary. I see it as more in line with the Patient Protection Act simply that the physician making the prescription knows when a substitution is made and will be able to follow any adverse affects or positive effects in substituting drugs. I would please ask for your support on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Martin of Wake is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to see if my friend ?? would yield to a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does she yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] She yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker, first of all I'm real supportive of this and excited about what this could mean for North Carolina's economy and for our patients getting cheaper drugs. But as a patient who sees my doctor and gets a prescription from my doctor who tells me she's prescribing me, and give me, and I hope I use the term correctly, the biologic name here. Under this bill I would go to my pharmacist, and the pharmacist would be allowed to give to me a biosimilar drug? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No. No. It would have to be a biointerchangeable. They are the only ones that would be allowed to be substituted. They are the ones that would receive the

Speaker changes:clearance from the FTA through testing that it can be interchangeable Speaker changes:i want the lady to ask another question did he yell Speaker changes:did he yells Speaker changes:i do Speaker changes:she yells Speaker changes:thank you Representative ?? so I'm trying to get ?? the so the bio interchangeable so go into the former system the former is interchangeable what notification understand my doctor will get notification what notification I'm getting this kind of ?? Speaker changes:i would hope ?? verbally get substitution but you would definitely get noted on your prescription model or ?? or what drug you r receiving ?? i think you need a lot more conversation receiving ?? and the patient with these kind of medication began to increase with more kind of medications Speaker changes:thank you Speaker changes:Representative ?? rise Speaker changes:to debate the Bill Speaker changes:you are recognized Speaker changes:thank you Mr. speaker ?? and gentlemen the house i think ?? to ask ourselves ?? that the forest 18 states considered this bill 13 states rejected them and one state had approved the bill ?? didn't knew it when the sunset came up this is an unnecessary regulation that believe ?? that increase cost in the long run increase cost in the ?? because it gotta extra work to do to unnecessary they would be entering this entries into medical record medical records are required to ?? care act so the information about what for drug is been prescribed visible that everyone should no on I'm voting no on this bill considering to get more information but it is as far as i can see this is n unnecessary bill ?? the margins are very small on this on these new drugs by the way they are not new we are a lot of out them i 'm happy to see ?? improve our health care but this bill is unnecessary so i vote now Speaker changes:Mr. glacier is recognized Speaker changes:thank you Mr. speaker ?? to yell for a question and perhaps to comment on the bill Speaker changes:does he yell Speaker changes:i do Speaker changes:she yell Speaker changes:Thank you Mr speaker ?? i think i understand all the terms precise our discussion ?? but i think very much favor on the bill but what we can see is tomorrow ?? answer to Representative martin's question i certainly understand all the other ?? I'm little surprise that ?? has to ?? at least we notified at the interchange that struck me a little or may be just ?? assumption that its gonna happen but i and you could comment on that ?? Speaker changes:?? for substitution for small molecules genetics replace hasn't been significant mount of discussions with the patient that are getting genetic engineering that could be something that we could raised the question ?? seemed that to be clarified Speaker changes:thank you Mr speaker ?? just a comment Speaker changes:you are recognized to debate the bill Speaker changes:thank you i think it is actually is Representative?? this bill is significant and i agree to participate it but between now and tomorrow i would like to follow ?? bio interchangeable people are gonna be big confused it would seem to me ?? at least have some notification to the patient that's what happening there may be a good reason that i too try to solve that tomorrow thank you, thank you Mr Speaker,

—Adcock is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Adcock] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to debate the Bill and ask the Bill's sponsor a question, If I may? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] Does she yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Adcock] Actually, I think it's Representative Dollar. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Dollar] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Adcock] Thanks for the great explanation, Representative Dollar. I did have just a clarifying question. So under this new Bill language, would..... If a prescriber —and by the way, there are more prescribers than physicians. Nurse practitioners, physician assistants, and nurse-midwives all prescribe— So if a prescriber notes on the prescription, 'Dispense as Written', is it true that under this proposed language that in order to dispense a bio-interchangeable, the pharmacist would have to call the prescriber and get permission to do so, if this Bill were passed. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Dollar] Well, if it's 'Dispensed as Written', then it would be as written, but if a biosimilar—an interchangeable biosimilar—would be given to the patient by the pharmacy, the notice requirement requires that to be sent back to the prescribing physician. Now, in terms of refills, that would not be— well, refills doesn't really describe the types of treatments we're talking about, but— but just in conventional terms, refills would not require that. And I think it's very important to understand that the language in this Bill has been very carefully negotiated and worked out. Folks all across the country have had discussions, everybody has been at the table for multiple negotiating sessions, we have support from the Medical Society, we have support— I mean, we had a rheumatologist here today that's one of the experts in the field nationally, in support of this Bill. The pharmacists are now neutral on the Bill. Their concerns in the notification section, word-for-word, have been satisfied. And I think it's also important to understand that pharmacy— as far as I know, most of the major— certainly the largest pharmacy benefit manager in the country was here, today, in support of this legislation. Obviously, notification issues are something that they wanna take into account. And I would also just add, since I'm standing up here, is that they've been doing this in Europe for a while, and they have seen— pharmacy benefit folks tell us that they've seen a thirty percent [30%] drop in cost. So, again, this is to the benefit of the patients, and it's gonna be to the benefit of the healthcare system, and it's gonna lower our costs as a healthcare system. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Adcock] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] D'you yield for a follow up, Representative Dollar? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Dollar] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Adcock] Thank you, Representative Dollar. I appreciate the amount of work that's gone into this, and the fact that there's precedent before us. My question's not in non-support of the Bill, or its objective to save patients and the system money. But my question is this: As a prescriber myself, when I write I have to take the action to check 'Dispense as Written' on the prescription because I want my patient to have one particular drug. And that's what the pharmacists, by law, now must dispense to my patient. If I write 'Dispense as Written' for a brand name drug, even if there's a generic available, that pharmacist has to fill the brand name drug unless he or she calls me, and says: May I substitute this generic? —Which often I say yes, unless there's a good reason. In this case, my question is: With the proposed language, if a prescriber has designated 'Dispense as Written' on their prescription, is it true then that the pharmacist must call the prescriber ahead of time, before they dispense the medication? Because afterward, letting you know afterward does you no good, if you disagreed with that. And as the prescriber you have the right to designate which medication you want your patient to have. And I would just also add that I support Representative Glazier's request for patient education to be part of this language. I think it's terrific what's in this Bill, to require notification in the patient's medical record that they have then given one bio-interchangeable instead of another, but I think the patient deserves to know as well. Because I know, as a prescriber, when I talk to my patients about the medication that I'm putting them on, I usually talk to them about a certain drug. They go home, or they get to the parking lot—

and they see that that's not the drug they were given they're gonna have questions. Pharmacists are in a unique position and a very well educated position, should talk to the patients about the fact that they're taking drug A instead of drug B. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well it's my understanding, and I would defer to Representative Martin to give a more definitive answer on this particular issue. She's been working on this but it's my understanding if it's as given as written then it would be as written. I believe that's your question. The other thing I think people need to understand is these are very specialized medications. Most of these are running through specialized pharmacies but, Mr. Speaker, if you would recognize Representative Martin [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will [SPEAKER CHANGES] maybe be able to better respond [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will recognize Representative Martin but before that, the pages are free to go for today and come back tomorrow for a exciting day. Representative Martin of Wiltson is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to offer clarification on the question. So there is still an option for the prescriber to say "dispense as written" which means as written and no substitution is allowed just like today, just like a generic. So if you prescribe "as written" then there's no substitution allowed. Now it also the bill does not change the ability for a biosimilar so now if it's not "dispense as written" and there's a biosimilar which we had the first ones approved, that does require advance notification. So the current law is, the state law currently requires a pharmacist to contact the prescribing clinician before substituting a biologic for a biosimilar, which is expected to be cheaper. So that is still evolving and we just now have the first biosimiar, so we do not have the interchangeables, but it is coming and it's a marketplace that North Carolina will participate in and we're hoping to be set up for. So once, if it's not "dispense as written" and there's an interchangeable, that's when there's the notification at the back end. Now I have reached out to staff on the questions about patient notification and I suspect that that's currently in the Pharmacy Act, but we'll clarify that to see if that's just something that we're not changing. Thanks. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 195 on it's second reading. Those in favor will vote,"aye". Those in oppose will vote, "no". The court will open the vote. You have fifteen seconds. Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. Votes are a hundred and two in favor, eleven no's. The bill is passed at second reading and will remain on the calendar. Next bill is House Bill 95. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representatives West and Hagar, House Bill 95, a bill to be entitled to authorize to Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Tribal Alcohol and Beverage Control Commission to issue wine shipment permits and commercial ABC permits to clarify that the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Tribal Alcohol and Beverage Control Commission maintains exclusive authority to issue certain permits ??? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative West is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To explain the bill [SPEAKER CHANGE] Be recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What this bill would do, it would provide the Eastern Bands Tribal ABC Commission with the tools it needs to ensure the Indians and non Indians have the same type of business and permits on the Quallah boundary as are allowed off the boundary by the North Carolina ABC Commission. I would appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Richardson is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I would like to change, Mr. Speaker, I would like to change, I'm sorry, I was tired. I would like to change my vote on 195 to be "yes", please. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The lady will be recorded as voting, "yes". Further discussion or further debate on House Bill 95? If not, the question before the house is passage of House Bill 95 on it's second reading. Those in favor will vote, "aye". Those in oppose will vote, "no". The clerk will open the vote. Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. The "ayes" are a hundred and eleven, the

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Gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Ladies and gentlemen this amendment effectively cuts the bill. The whole point of the bill is to allow the counties, the county jails and everything to look for the best prices, to be able to purchase locally. To be able to purchase their fresh fruits and vegetables from a local farmer. That's the whole point to get a better price. They will never exhaust the bidding prices, we're talking about food here, there's always going to be people that are going to be willing to sell the jails food. The point is to allow them to get it cheaper by possibly buying locally and being able to buy from some local farmers, things like that. That's the whole point of these bills, so please vote no on this. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the amendment offered by Representative Holley. To the bill, those in favor of the amendment will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 45 having voting in the affirmative and 68 in the negative. The amendment fails. We are now back on the bill, further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment of House Bill 312 on its second reading, those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 89 having voted in the affirmative and 29 in the negative. House Bill 312 passes its second reading and will, without objection be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGE] And, for what . . . The gentleman, Representative Hall, the Chair saw your light out after I put the question. Does the gentleman still wish to debate the bill on third reading? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill before the third reading. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Very briefly and thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I just wanted to call the body's attention to the fact that we're now going to a no bid process, I appreciate Representative Speciale's reference to the fact that will be looking to get fresh fruits and vegetables locally. Again, I would point out there is nothing in this bill that requires that or references that, or in the process that's now set out to assure that. So, I understand that intent but that's not what we're voting on today and that is not the limitation that is being put to these sheriff's in these situations. Again, I hope you would consider that, I reference it several weeks ago when we passed that first bill that this would end up being a statewide phenomenon and we kind of all turned our backs on it. Here we are and we'll see several more of these. So, again, please recognize that we are not assuring local participation, we're not assuring any fresh fruits or vegetables, healthy eating, or any of those things. The only thing that we're assuring is that the sheriff has un-feathered ?? to whoever he wants. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] To what purpose does the gentlemen from Stokes, Representative Holloway rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker, I had a malfunction in the finger running in the door, I meant to vote no on the Holley amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman will be recorded as voting no on the Holley amendment. For what purpose does the gentleman from Pitt, Representative Brown rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] I also had a malfunction, if I could also be recorded as voting no on the Holley amendment as well, please. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman will be recorded as voting no on the amendment. Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the house is passage of House Bill 312 in its third reading. Those in favor will say aye, those opposed will say no. The ayes have it. House Bill 312 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 236, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Speciale, House Bill 236 a bill to be entitled an act that providing that the counter sheriff's office may contract for the purchase of food and food service providers for the counties detention facility without being subject to requirements to certain state purchase and contract laws. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman from Craven, Representative Speciale has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Ladies and gentleman, its the same bill, different counties. Be supportive. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Holley rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] I'm not going to submit an amendment because its the same bill, same thing. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] What purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Hall rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Just like for my comments from the previous bill . . . [SPEAKER CHANGE] Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd just like for my comments from the previous bill to be spread on the record as regards to this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Well, the Chair

care when I spread them across the record, but the Chair will take note of the gentleman's comments. Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 236 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye; those opposed will vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. House Bill 236, having received 84 votes in the affirmative, 31 in the negative; House Bill 236 passes its second reading and will, without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? For what purpose does the lady from Mecklenburg, Representative Cunningham, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I need to change my vote to no on the last reading. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady wants to be recorded as having voted no on the previous vote? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Gill, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like to have my vote changed to no on House Bill 312. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Which one? [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 312. [SPEAKER CHANGES] [??] 312 on the question? Will be so noted. For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Johnson, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To change my vote to no on 236. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as having voted no on House Bill 236. Those in favor of the passage of House Bill 236 on its third reading will say aye; those opposed will say no, the ayes have it. House Bill 236, having passed its third reading, will be sent to the Senate. Members, the Chair is in possession of a local bill that was filed at 5:15. The Chair is going to extend the deadline for the filing of local bills until 6 pm. If there are any additional local bills that members wish to be filed--let me ask this way--how many members still have bill--local bills they are trying to file at this time? I see no one standing except Representative Jordan to take a phone call. So, so this appears to be the last bill. The Chair will accept this bill and the Chair--just in case someone's forgotten--will keep filing open until 5:30. If anyone remembers something they've forgotten, please let me know as soon as possible. The Gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis--The Gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis, is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I move that House Bill 481, which is the permanent rules of the House, that the rules be suspended to the end that that bill may have its first reading today and, if I could speak to that-- [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] What that would mean, is that the bill may have its first reading today, and will be referred to the Committee on Rules. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I believe it's the intention of the Chair to take the bill up in Rules tomorrow? Okay. Is there objection to the motion? Hearing none, so ordered. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis; House Resolution 481, House Resolution adopting the permanent Rules of the House of Representatives for the 2015 General Assembly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The bill is referred to the Committee on Rules, Calendar, and Operations of the House. Senate Bill--strike that--no--Senate Bill 181; the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Barefoot, Senate Bill 181, a bill to be entitled an act, to increase the size of Wake County Board of Commissioners and to alter the district to coincide with the districts of the Wake County Board of Education. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam, is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a--sort of a--technical bill so--lets's just--oh, wait a minute. We had two and a half hours of public input and discussion in Election Law Committee yesterday, but for the information folks--that was actually the fourth time we've had public input in this process. Also, I'd like you to know, before I get into the merits, that on your dashboard under "Related Documents" are the maps in question as well as the maps for Representative Gill's amendments--so we didn't have to kill more trees to put them on your desk--but you'll find them on your map--dashboard. The bill itself changes the way of electing county commissioners for Wake County. It's probably interesting to know that the last time this was ...

Speaker changes: significantly change 1981 without a referendum and the 1981 change actually reversed the referendum 1961 we have come to fix here section one of the Bill increases the commission from seven to nine members ?? i had no objection from anybody for increasing the number from seven to nine i feel sorry for Representative Jones i believe they had eleven members for some board up there county that had a population ?? in the last couple of years so that's not really controversial section 1 b was taken to income puts ll the other party will be up to 2016 it will continue to range some of lot districts in 2016 for two years instead of normal 4 year run and that large for what the bill does mainly is gradually does to out lodge i have seen wanna do that for 31 years let's just suppose in the stay house if we elect ll of us ?? actually some of the people suggested that wouldn't that be terrible when that be horrible aided ?? large in are ?? residential districts where the seven commissioners live but they voted on county wide i believe Representative ?? from his party at be elected under that scenario back a few years even he was younger at large election ?? illness it's a small town or small county because at large election submerge the view of any kind of minority ?? they dont give true close representations close to the voters and frankly i have herd very little objections ht this bill proposes district bill election from ?? which says what the district would be is we didn't become innovative the drafters of the bill ?? we id let's not be innovative ?? that we have for a school board no 1 secondly it would be much easier it would much easier to board of minister to administer because overall ?? for the some time for same number of sets but not the same time you have an infinite number a balanced style in the various ?? just think about that ?? might have two different county commissioner candidates running in that press set two school board candidates the preset official the party official would need computer to figure out to walk down the street to who running there these districts have hardly been approved one yer go for the federal districts courts as complained with the law

The low side of the successful in my opinion but it is on appeal and his bike CS of a win the appeal well that would affect these districts do but he'll be the same thing if we bury the district's eight guarantees a lawsuit but if we keep the same district many were guarantee that it'll be the same result for the school board in from a county commissioners all finally in section two of the bill, (SPEAKER CHANGES) we make clear that after the return of the next census the way county , where the commissioners is roughly a goal in doing so redistricting doubt that this is not a permanent of change been one of the reasons I gave previous reasons why to go from apple artist addition, the district's it's really interesting to know that the argue for example has on its web site , articles about how they attack at large districts all over the country for example in bogus in Missouri are two key mall Washington for the family side eighth bit at large districts some nodes all types of light of minorities whether political racial or whatever it's also the case that if you lined countywide in a county lightweight white which is over a million people which is more than the population of several the states is more than a congressional district it is very expensive for each candidate voted this for collections mean is that a candidate can actually concentrate 11 seventh of the county and by direct mail all cut that out, if they do direct mail at the expense by ones by 6/7 Nucor steel be the same but that the amount of money that people can race for county commissioner races is not, all do much TV and this time of the market regular radio site currency two, but the bill defeat the amendments we have a right to half an hour debate guess they'll action all but the amendments were not all considered O but we'll just see women, both of them make you listen to begin announcing the way from a tentative deal for others to you as to debate the deal would as a floor and U.S. interstate time nonlawyers(SPEAKER CHANGES) so I'm not gonna be a son straightforward and maybe not say this a known thing that the representatives stand on the job explaining name and stern files of all I'm not a cozy I'm not in support of the deal right now that the majority of the party that the majority party anything charged his gun events Fabio fell while upon for as a fax to 2 to 1 alternative for them at you know you're not something you are competent to stand tall, bit about one segment of the district and state senate seat belt after NT and I feel it has not yielded saying that it almost impossible for anyone to rein in lake county appointed as Max and have a reduction in the cost of running like she signed off by an Atty. to build an alternative for if you have acted as board and guides and its related document that is assigned as nine a mandate that I'm asking city and I'm sitting in it and I mandated are likely to be placed on the tax code to dispatch that of the Middle East resident view most amended bill on page one learns 0:46 of the right and those lines to RE play as for the hospital in Boston and made the jazz's three major problems with senate bill 181 18 drastically reduces the population deviation among districts 17th Americans together and the reinsurance that represent representatives will get near the......

Assistants by Della Sala basin and it also eliminates the menace of sudden this is the fact of the partisan motivation behind the deal and he looked at the Beall you can tell there is promising a motivation left out about the reduction of operation deviation among the district's(SPEAKER CHANGES) if you live at the district's baton at not that's the strength had a math and 8% deviation has this been actually drawn based on population and what we as a matter of deciding today as the job defending this state's away county red vest to disregard the incumbents as valid as the ion party affiliation and just give us six knots,(SPEAKER CHANGES) seven nights a week and that has the smallest deviation that you can possibly be an easier route open at USA been numbered districts are pretty well situated and one of the arguments that the bells sponsored AIDS was a day when a representation on the methodology outside rocky and as many as representation for municipalities outside Broadway if you work in citadel any one year and ideas that the fat in other dishes bearing population by about 7.882% at age 1:49 lead districts bad area population by about 9.8% I'm I'm not a bad bet that the size and that's the amendment and balance the district's NBA live met a guy is less than 1% of salary if you look at senate bill 81 enterprises districts which would take 29, but some admin residents while inflating the value of voters of the full brunt of the suburbs and rural residents and when pat minority voters into a single minority majority majority minority district in ways that the buying of their votes would be if this is in its investment in the district would be more than 1% smaller, argued that the evidence.(SPEAKER CHANGES) This means that bob, things as you would have done some people way we concentrated in the county of fact in point is that the man making its communities together if you are defending their 81181 eighth grades 21 precincts across we can add what that means is that it manages 21 community's ability to put together and he represents your mime and fixes that problem bath and 803493 things are split by the laundry basket of seven districts are the act or are they send large for directing that the amendment does the issues that represent me that the representatives layout near their constituent s , a single mining land prices to increase your graphic diversity on the condition and proposes districts with which would require representation not living near their constituents and fax a brother and (SPEAKER CHANGES) I hope this stage of the east county would be represented by commissioners are living on up taking the exam and is running on the way county if you are looking at Fayetteville 181 up for there is a desperate that is created by the snake goes around the hall outside the county for like 5.7 on the part of the county to loudoun international Airport in my still in the western part of the county and actively having your mama -minute fixes that problem by making districts have been playing and mathematically, at Factorial contact his death ......

This amendment not only ensures that representatives live near their constituents, it also makes it easy for voters to know which districts they are in, and who represents them. Folks, I'm not in favor of redrawing any districts. But if we have to do it, let's do it fair. And let's make sure that we're doing it in the best possible way so that our citizens and constituents can make sure that they're represented by people that they know, if that's what you want, and that they live close to their representative. So I ask you to support the amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank the gentlelady. Those wishing not to speak on the amendment, would you please turn off your lights? Recognizing the gentleman from Wake County, Representative Stam, to speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Briefly, I'll ask you to vote no on the amendment. If the lady were also proposing to change the school board districts, which have not yet gone into effect but will go into effect in 2016, I would have fewer points to argue against her. But since she only proposes to change the county commission districts, here are four quick points: One, her amendment is bait for a lawsuit. For reasons I explained earlier, the districts we proposed have already been approved. Second, her amendment would create infinite confusion by candidates, election officials, but especially the voters, because they would be in so many different districts at the same time as their neighbors, it would be almost impossible to educate voters correctly. Third, she mentions the, that it's less of a deviation in population. And you can always have exactly no deviation, as we're required to do in Congressional districts, and as a result, Congressional districts are gerrymandered even more. Because of that feature, you have to squiggle even more. But deviations are really irrelevant, because that is based on the 2010 census, and Wake County has grown, I don't know the exact number but probably 200,000 people since that census. So the deviations are irrelevant. I mean they're irrelevant to whether these are fair plans. The legal question about permissible deviation has already been answered by the federal district court, which says that the plan in effect for the school board is within permissible limits. And finally, she argues partisan motivation, and I will just, I won't argue that except exhibit one fact, and that is of the nine districts, five of the districts have more Democrats than Republicans, four districts have more Republicans than Democrats. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentlelady from Wake County, Representative Holley, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Wake County has grown, and it's huge now. And before long, it's going to be one big metropolitan area. But in the interim, we are looking at this, and representatives get a bill. Her amendment is clear. It has really easy-to-read lines, it does not split precincts, it takes a long hard look at this, and it's fair. You know, I ask that you please vote for this amendment. It would at least allow part of Wake County, those of us in here, to have an input in that redistricting. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham rise, Representative Michaux? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to disabuse your mind from one or two things that Representative Stam said. He wants you to believe that the school board districts that have been drawn and are in court now, that they are the law. They are not. Those, that decision handed down by the district court, is on appeal. So nobody knows what's going to happen with that particular map. He thinks it's going to be upheld, the district court's decision. I think it's going to be overruled. And the reason I think that that decision is going to be overruled is simply because of a case that has come down recently from the United States Supreme Court, which overturned, in federal district court and

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For what purpose to do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative G. Martin] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] The clerk will read the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Clerk] Representative G. Martin moves to amend the Bill on Page One [1], lines ten [10] through thirteen [13], by deleting those lines. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] Representative Martin, you may proceed. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative G. Martin] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Members, Senate Bill 181 has started a healthy conversation in Wake County. It's a good thing for our citizens to start the process of discussing how we govern ourselves, and see that as we've grown significantly and seen significant change, is there a better way by which our County could govern itself. Members, in North Carolina, our system gives the state great power over our municipalities and counties. But, of course, as the saying goes, 'With great power comes great responsibility', and there is, of course, a need to be very careful and judicious in how we, as the state, exercise that power over our local governments. Yesterday, in a somewhat similar debate, the gentleman from Rockingham, Representative Jones, set forth two arguments in favor of his Bill to change districts. One of which was that the proposal was unanimous amongst members of his delegation. And the other argument was that the Bill had a provision for a referendum. Members, currently the BIll before you that changes districts in Wake County meets neither of those two criteria. It is not in its current form unanimous at all amongst members of the Wake delegation, either in the Senate or the House, and it doesn't have a provision for a referendum. Now, this debate that is going in Wake County, that, as I said, I do think is healthy, has barely had a chance to move far forward. However, our Wake County Chamber of Commerce has weighed in. They've acknowledged some merit in the Bill, and even announced support for some provisions of it. But nothing that, quote, "It could have significant impact on our quality of life, and continued economic development," they specifically have asked that the voters of Wake County have the opportunity to vote on this proposal. In the past, in fact, other proposals have come before the voters of Wake County, for changes in their government, and the last several times the voters of Wake County have actually adopted the legislative position. It may very well be the case that they will do that now. But, in any case, I would ask that you extend the same courtesy, the same right, to the voters of Wake County that you have to other counties, similarly situated and facing bills like this, and allow my people to have a vote on it. The Amendment before you, very simply, would put a provision on the ballot in 2016, asking the voters of Wake County if they wanted the County Commission Districts to track those of the School Board Districts. I'd ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] Representative Bumgardner, for what purpose to do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Bumgardner] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the amendment awhile ago— I was sitting here napping, and when I woke up my light was green and it needed to be red. [House laughs] Would you change it please? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] Representative Bumgardner, will be glad to do that. Welcome back! The gentleman from Craven, for what purpose do you rise? Representative Speciale. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Speciale] To request that the vote— that my last vote— I was following in his footsteps, and made a mistake. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] Uh oh. Welcome back to the living. Thank you. [House laughs, a little less] Recognizing the gentleman from Wake County, Representative Stam, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Stam] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Speaker] You may have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES to Representative Stam] And, as before, briefly. There're two reasons why I would ask the Body to defeat the amendment and not agree to it. First of all, one is just— irony. Our current system was imposed by the Legislature in 1981 and it reversed a referendum that had taken place in 1960. But the second reason is more practical. Because sometimes, ah— referenda are appropriate and sometimes they're not. But the effect of this —and please remember that this change will be phased in, so that three out of the five people elected in 2016 will still be elected at-large, so after the 2016 election, we'll still have seven at-large commissioners and only two district commissioners. It doesn't really go into effect until 2018, so to be effective for about 2019. Well, the effect of the amendment is to have a referendum in November of 2016, so that it's not really in effect—

Until the last month of 2020. Folks, I’m just too old for reform that takes in effect five plus, more than five years from now. We can’t afford that kind of wait. We had to have some staggering to keep from shortening people’s terms, being nice, so please defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The question before the body is the amendment offered by Representative Martin of Wake County, ?? Representative Hall, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You may have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] With great deference to my good friend Skip’s age, I would like to bring up and reiterate one point that my colleague Representative Martin mentioned, and that is that just yesterday this body voted yes to change the election laws for a Republican member’s county district. And the main difference in that bill, he mentioned it earlier, but it was that my good friend from Rockingham County wisely gave the citizens of his county the ability to approve the changes by referendum. And my friends across the aisle all voted yes on that idea yesterday, so I hope you also vote green and yes today on this amendment and extend that same courtesy by referendum to my county. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All others wishing to speak on the amendment. Seeing none, all those in favor will signify by voting aye, those opposed no. The clerk will unlock the machine. [PAUSE] The clerk will lock the machine. The amendment does fail with 45 in favor, 61 against. The amendment fails. Back on the main bill. Any others wishing to speak on the bill? Representative, recognizing Representative Tillman from Wake County. Sir, you have the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I wish to speak on the bill. Since I’m the only member of this body that’s ever been a Wake County Commissioner, I want to talk about my experiences with it, and why things need to change. Years ago, 23 years ago when I ran for County Commissioner, I really enjoyed, it was hard because we have a huge county not in population so much but in land area. It’s about from end to east, from Zebulon to ?? about an hour drive so it’s tough campaigning county-wide. But the hard thing about it, back then a congressional district on average in North Carolina had about 600,000 people. Today with a million, it’s 710,000 people, so it’s gone from when I ran to one congressional district to one and a half congressional districts and most people have a hard time raising, during the summer I ran 80 to a hundred thousand dollars to run. And you can imagine if you took I think we’ve got 11 House members in Wake County, how much money we all spent and our opposition spent when running for County Commissioner you can’t run if you can’t raise 80 to a hundred thousand. The price of median Wake County is even higher than Charlotte Mecklenberg. So I, I don’t, I hate we have to change it, because I really like campaigning in Zebulon and Wendell and the little towns, but it just has come to the point that very few people can afford to run for County Commissioner anymore. With these districts, which are sort of like Mecklenberg has done, they raised their board from a few years ago from seven to nine members. They have three at-large and they have six districts. So I just wanted to speak on it. I don’t of anything else to say. I hate, it just can’t be done anymore but I don’t feel like it’s fair to people that are going to run in the future. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Wake County, Representative Martin, for what purpose do you rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Members, I just wanted to talk about a few additional problems with this bill. The proponent of the bill talked about this making it actually easier for

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The gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Brawley, is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman, I move that the House do concur with the conference report, and would like the opportunity to explain the report. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If this looks familiar, you have seen it before. We passed House Bill 41, which was the Revenue Loss Technical Corrections bill, which failed to pass in 2014, because in the Senate it was turned into, well, House Bill 1224. The same thing happened this year. And it came back with some additional verbiage related to the revenue, or the IRC bill. After passing Senate Bill 20, we no longer need to address the IRC update. The purpose of the conference report is this is the quickest way to restore a bill to the original state of the technical corrections bill, and get it to the governor's desk. And that is because there are some time-sensitive issues in here that would not have been time sensitive if we had passed it in 2004. But if it looks familiar, it's been through committee in the House and we've approved it before and I ask that you approve it again. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion? For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Michaux, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask the gentleman a question [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Mecklenburg yield to the gentleman from Durham? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield to the esteemed gentleman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Can you tell me what I'm about to vote on? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will be happy to go through all the technical corrections again if you would like, but they are. Essentially, we passed House Bill 41 about three weeks ago. We are restoring House Bill 41 to the state in which we passed it three weeks ago, and removing all of the things the Senate added. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the motion to adopt the conference report to House Bill 41. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. Representative Steinburg, does the gentleman wish to vote on this bill? The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote: 109 having voted in the affirmative and two in the negative, the conference report for House Bill 41 is adopted and the Senate will be so notified. Members, would direct your attention, there's a bill, I'm going to read the title to it that we're looking at adding. There's three bills we're looking at adding. The Chair believes they are not controversial, but just to let the members know, there's a bill, I'm going to give you the short title: House Bill 308, which is an Act to Amend the Laws Pertaining to Medical Support and Health Insurance Coverage Relating to Child Support to Align State Law with Federal Guidelines That No Longer Include the Provision That Employer-Provided Group Health Insurance Is Automatically Considered "Reasonable." This is a bill that passed out of Judiciary III, was re-referred to the Committee on Insurance. It is the opinion of the Chair that the bill does not need to go to Insurance, therefore the Chair is going to strike the referral to Insurance and deem the bill calendared but not necessarily for this evening. Is there objection to the bill being added to this evening's calendar? Hearing none, so ordered. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Floyd, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry of the Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Or Representative Lewis. Would the Chair or Representative Lewis be amenable to suspending the rules so we can go to after 10:00 to take up all the bills? [SPEAKER CHANGES] We will not be here past 10:00. We only have three bills, so I don't--we're going to be done shortly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is April 1, Mr. Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm sorry? Oh, April first, thank you. You know, I've been up for long enough, I thought it was April 2nd by now, so. You got me that time.

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