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Joint | March 25, 2015 | Committee Room | Joint Appropriations on Justice and Public Safety

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We are on the internet, OK fine.  Call the meeting to order. Good morning everybody and welcome to justice and public safety appropriations and you see today we are not joined. The senate choose to peel off and so we are going to keep on learning. And today Lisa Francis going to be our program today and she is going to be telling us a lot. I want to introduce our or let agents introduce themselves. We have two, and I believe they're related,  Amanda Cone[sp?] from Nash County and Shaun Cone[sp?] from Nash County. And we also have [xx] OK, you all introduce yourself and tell us where you [xx]. I'm Shaun Cone and I come from Nash County. What grade are you in?  I'm a senior in high school. Very good. Do you have plans where are you going to go? I'm going to East Carolina university OK and who is your sponsor? Representative Collins. Very good thank you. something I'm Amanda Cone  from Nash county. I'm a sophomore in high school, and I also serve under representative Collins Very good and your brother and sister? Very good welcome. I'm Bella I'm from Wright county. I'm a freshman in high school and Representative Brian Very good, thank you. Got a question here. Is your mother a lobbyist? Yes sir! That's a good thing we know her and our sergeant at arms we have Barry Mower and we have VH Powell, and we have David Leskihan and if you can't pronounce it they say Smith all right chair do you have anything you want to share this morning?  Representative [xx] had the opportunity, I just like to [xx] this weak and is on the state bill, and I would just like to give on a special rhythm, on a job well done. We all fee home safe. Yeah representative. Alright, terrific. [xx] I didn't [xx] did you go too you went with [xx] [xx] OK [xx] OK [xx] and many of you may know but the students may not go but sometimes we do ride with the highway patrol or different branches of our agencies and we have different experiences I went out on the night did it cash node a lot and they know to go have it and had to look after you so that was an issue and they are still going take me somewhere, but I haven't been anywhere yet with LA and FBI anyway. Speed up the prison buses they work. We've those somewhere went, but we were just being trained OK. Who has no fun today I'd like to introduce our commissioner guys every guys are welcome here today and a problem is I am not use and also and last tour our deputy director [xx] deputy commissioner [xx] alright I'm going to turn it over to [xx], but and she wants to have questions as we go, we try to get my attention if you name it. Thank you Yes. Right. Thank you madam Chair, good morning everyone. Good morning This is a very serious meeting today. Okay this morning I'm going to talk about the juvenile justice department what is now a division of adult correction in the juvenile center. And I've already found my first typo on the total budget, the total requirement $127 million and as you can see this budget like many of the budgets in DTS is governed by personal services largely. The origin of juvenile justice so, in the 18th and 19th century, juveniles treated basically as very small adults, and there were housed with adult criminals in work houses and prisons and it was

an extremely abusive situation. So to be a reform movement largely given by Quarkers who founded houses of refugee for juveniles in the 1800s. These eventually they were terrible houses, and these eventually most into the training schools and state funded detention centers that we now have. North Carolina followed this trend and built the first training school, in 1909 and in 1919 passed the Juvenile Court Act which separated Juveniles from the adult system in the courts and in 1998 passed the Juvenile Justice Reform Act which meant that juveniles could not be confined simply for status offences like truancy, or running away or being undisciplined or out of control. In North Carolina as many of you know individuals over the age of 16 are considered adults instead of 18 as is the case in most states. Juveniles who are over the age of 13 who commit a felony maybe transferred to the adult system to be prosecuted they got it again. There are two types to use in a juvenile system. Delinquent use, children who are six to fifteen who have committed a crime, and undisciplined youth, children who are six to seventeen who are beyond the disciplinary control of their parent or guardian, or who have non-criminal but problematic behavior. A status is sense is in a sense that it is a crime only because of the age of the person committing it. So it's something like, alcohol consumption if you are under age, truancy, running away from home. None of us here in this room I don't think will a few of the pages can be prosecuted for truancy anymore. This is a chart of the juvenile population in North Carolina, by age and by gender and by race. So you can see we have about 1.5 million people who fall under the jurisdiction of juvenile justice. these are some of the trends that we are seeing in juvenile justice over the last four years and I would like to thank the department for this slide. This is the delinquency rate declining about 18% over the last four years and this is a decline in number of the complaints received, at 12% complete and deliquent complaint and a 47% decrease in status complaints. So these is who is likely to receive the complaints as you can see there is a gender disparity in juvenile crime and, juvenile complaints, boys are far more likely to have some complaints filed, sorry unchecked. Alright [xx] So I want to go back to that last slider quick. And the delinquency rate going down, were there any changes in what is considered delinquent that might have had a factor on that? You have full authority do it. Thank you madam chair to my knowledge but if anyone from the department would like to speak to that. I'll introduce yourself [xx] [xx] for juvenile justice the law has not changed a lot of the changes in the complaint trends across state has been due to other things that we put in place the last change in juvenile reform act was back in 1999 and since then complaint has been going down but over the last 4 or 5years there hasn't been a major change in law a lot of the changes have been in that [xx] and juvenile counselors are working to divert crimes before they are sent to the juvenile justice system and so that's why we've seen a lot of the decrease in the numbers. [xx] so basically what you're saying delinquency rates have gone down but part of that is due to some diversions Absolutely yes OK [xx] OK, so by far the most complains are lounged against boys who that will shock you all to hear may not be the best decision makers at this age, and mostly 14 and 15 year olds also not known for really sharp decision making and future planning. I'm sorry, I represent Charles Grant. I have a question on that, [xx] Yes sir, [xx] the most common [xx] That's an excellent question, I don't have the answer to that. Someone has the answer. Good afternoon, I'm Devik Neisher for criminal justice we'e got

a chart that shows the 10 most common complaints for juveniles, most complaints are misdemeanour's and so very few of them only 3% for example are [xx] and so most of the complaints that are coming to general justice system are for drugs or [xx] school campuses or high school campuses that occur, but we can give you the exact [xx] most made complaints in the state of North Carolina and I can get that for you get it all over, play [xx] Yes mum Follow up. Here we see who is generating the complains by source. So, non-school based, that would be law enforcement, parents, guardians, school based are generally school resource out there, so maybe there's [xx] any other school in place, in 2010 there were 37, 601 complaints and this last calendar year there were 31, 565 so you can see that that is about an 18% decline over the last four years. We're now going to move into how a juvenile moves through the system after a complaint is made. So, a delinquency complain is made by parents, guardians, school resource officers, law enforcement or the department of services. Did you know that they screen and evaluate it's by court council and their family environment is also evaluated as well. The court council has three options. Within 30 days, they must divert juvenile pursue into a diversion plan that the counselor has written, and as agreed to by the juvenile and their parent or guardian. They may resolve the previously they were complaining for court would soon move it further into the system, or they may resolve it they may just try to claim it has no marry and they will resolve it with no further action needed. certain, oh I'm sorry came on chair. Representative Bisari[sp?]. Thank you. Could you explain what divert to juvenile means Serious, divert means to move to system away from the courses. It means that they're going to have possibly supervision, probation some kind of consequence that they're not going to be seen before a judge, they're not going to be put through a hearing and adjudicated. I want to, gentlemen, just let me step back for a minute. and look at the number 31, 564 and when you look at the breakdown according to Lisa it appears that the black male is in serious trouble according to the stats. What are we doing to address those percentages and that need because apparently there's a problem there? Yes sir, madam Chair, [XX] department would like to speak to that Alright. Good morning, my name Mike Rieder I'm the director of court services for juvenile justice. Representative Gramm you're absolutely correct. We have a major challenge in regards to keeping black males out of the juvenile justice system and we have a number of initiatives that are aimed at doing just that one of the things that we shared with Ms. Fox here is our effort to keep young folks out of detention and so we could use the number of, as result of the initiatives we've done that Mr. Ashley talking about the last three years we've had 53 thousand fewer days in stay in detention as a result of that. So a lot fewer stay for children of color. However the proportion of children of color compared to white children has not changed so it's an extremely challenging process to get behind the dynamics leading to that. We have a number of initiatives all across the state and communities that have disproportion minorities contact committees trying to solve this problem working with school resource officers and other folks to try to address it. There's nothing we are unaware of, there's nothing that we are not trying to address [xx] but it's broader than just juvenile justice. That may not satisfy you but we take it very seriously and we are doing everything we can to try to reduce that Representative Grey, I would think you and I would agree that what we are seeing here [xx] and I think that speaks

to all of us [xx] and [xx] right here [xx] so frustrating you got all of that [xx]. Yes sir, thank you representative Jones. To follow up on one of your points, I think this is a different conversation that we need to have because it's just has some pattern involved in this obviously, but we need to deal with some of the social issues, jobs for its best I think that really would have come up from because it could have been an outcry from some of the young ones and I'll [xx]. No what the breakdown is in terms of the type of crime it is, but this And this is just a suggestion or an idea, maybe we could go to one of this attention hunts in New York that can speak to our committee I think that will help, all of it, but I will, can you give a sample work on this, thank you. Representative Grey Thank you madam chair I just want to speak up on that, going back to my original question [xx] sure. Thank you, we'll take down [xx] because I intend to see, and I would like to know what that is, is that possible? Until we know what that is you can't do anything about it. Someone from the department who can answer that? Representative Brown we were absolute to give you the trandata, one of things that I'll say about VMC is that we studied this thing We studied it since the 1970s and what I've charged my staff for doing is, we'll see something about it now, so we've got those numbers and we'll give you those numbers, the top three offences broken down by by race. We can certainly give that to you and one of the things that we are charging, our JCPC for doing which Lisa will get to in just a second. Our Juvenile Crime [xx] can account for this, making sure that we're putting programming in place that actually addresses the juveniles that we're trying to serve. It doesn't do us any good if we had programming that's mainly for Caucasian kids and sections of town where it's high class kids, when you just have kids where they are in the communities where they are and we need to serve their families and that's really what we're trying to do on this CMC issue. But we'll give you the top three offenses. I know that we'd look it up just real quickly simple assault is the number one offense that gets a kid into a juvenile justice system but I'll give the top 10 by race offense. Madam Chair [xx] I think that we need a mandate of some sort from maybe our committee here that we reduce If I remember correctly, I don't know what it is now but it probably costed $50- $60, 000 a year to keep a child incarcerated and we look at the number that we have a tremendous amount of resources that's going to keep them in a system. We should help be spending that money to help them rise above to become educated, and job seeking, and working and making a contribution as opposed to putting them in a prepped program to go to adult prison, and I think the mandate needs to be here because we're spending the resource. Guice, Commissioner Guice sorry.  Thank you very much commissioner David Guice, for Adult Correction & Juvenile Justice, it is a collaborative effort where our staff engage the community

to be successful but I would remind you that you were very much involved in the passing and the glancing of our strategic plan and for the new members I would ask you to will get you a copy of that strategic plan because in that plan we actually lay out the pathway to the issues that you are expressing today. If you can recall there was $1.7 million that's being reinvested in programming to address the issues that you are raising today and we are very thankful that there is a legislation in place that allows us when we close some of the facilities, older facilities to take that money and re-invest it back in the community. The real goal here is to ensure even when we have someone in one of our used development centers that we no forget that we've not only got to work with that individual we've got to continue to work with the family. If you can recall if we don't connect with the family and address those issues, we'll be sending that youngster right back to that troubling community, that community being home and the community, so I would encourage us to take a look at that strategic plan. I think we're on course, we're going to need some help and we'll be talking about that, thank you, shortly, because we still need to address some areas of concern that that they will bring forth. But again we appreciate your support and we appreciate the questions. The staff behind me, those staff to do a tremendous job working every day having the communities all across North Carolina to address these concerns that you're raising, but we are aware of them and interesting enough is nationally when you look at the situation North Carolina is leading the way and addressing those issues so we look forward to having further discussion about that with you. And we'd all probably need to look at that strategic plan again, so if you would get that [xx] someone get that to our community representative Bawls. I just watched district [xx] is that I when I started on this meaning away, and that's more time for if any [xx] that looks 25 juveniles we had and what I call locked up, today we have less 450 the cost[sp?] is lowering that now less than 300 and I can't say that the job he's ever done and yes as [xx] they've been studying since 1970 and now we've implementing programs for the justice re-investment and yes you have to deal with the community and family that's what their focus is on now. And to go to 2500 to less than 300 and we have locked up. And the 300 that we have, I think you will say they were remaking, the capital offense, and yes I can tell you what San Diego with this people, with justice reinvestment and it all go with us and the United States is looking to North Carolina with the models that we're doing now. I guess and feel confident in what we're doing and I encourage you to go and talk the [xx] that have you in your county office and let you know how they're spending the dollars and it haven't change, and all of you but the family thing and you're right, you've got to get back to the [xx] for that juvenile. Representative Graham. No follow up, and I thank you have my balls Well, then, and you're right on point. There is another area of concern that I have, and I'll just braise to that and that would be the worst happening with the females that ain't in our system, and we have many kids being born of the people who are in our system, and there are several pieces to this puzzle that we need to at some point handle and we'd really sit down and talk about, and we're just as strategic. Well, I've talked to Bill, and it is a building interest you. Thank you very much [xx]. Representative Johnson, I'll go ahead [xx]. OK, Alright. Thank you Madam Sheryl, I'll be

happy to post this strategic planing since I get back to my house is on the website for you all, OK where were we, certain offences cant be diverted meaning certain offences seen before arson [xx] affliction of bodily harm so the least you would expect and hope would not be diverted out of the court system this illustrates where the different two [xx] districts are across the state and this is the court's services total budget, again personal heavy, I'm sorry. [xx]. Madam chair okay, everything is Steven, alright. Tell them who you are. Seems to be separate down [xx] [xx] deputy commissioner of juvenile justice, in I think it was 2010 our districts were merged we had 39 districts at that time we had A, Bs and Cs, and in 2010 they were merged to 19 A, B and C were all merged, and as you can see that only I'm really touched. That is one of our more difficult districts to manage. We do have a very good strong [xx] in that area. Emily that does an excellent job, and she has a supervisor that covers the other side of that county that was a supervisor back at the time before the mergers. But it is separated as you see it is one district. Thank you. When a court councilor sees a juvenile they perform a risk needs assessment on that juvenile. These are some of the most indicative risks and needs that they're looking for when they perform that assessment. The risk needs assessment has been validated meaning it's been found to be consistent and consistently applied and also predictive of indeed a high risk or high need juvenile So what you can see in this slide is the way the department has systematically created a situation where in the YDCs we have the highest risk, highest need individuals in whereas medium risk and low risk I do know they are being treated at the community level and it's a rather sharp difference between these two I think. If a juvenile is adjudicated delinquent by the court meaning they've had a hearing and the judge has determined that the case is proven against them, then they are submitted then they are subject to sanctions. There are three levels of sanctions, three levels of disposition. They are called in the juvenile system. The first one it's community disposition. You can see the majority of juveniles go to a community disposition. 63% this will be community based programming, substance abuse treatment, restitution, fines community service in a way confinement supervised state programs. The second level and I'll go through each of these in a little bit more detail as well. The second level is intermediate disposition. About 35% juveniles go here. It can be anything that is under community disposition as well as more intensive forms of probation, electronic monitoring, house arrest and placement in multipurpose group homes and level three is the highest level and that is commitment to the department to be placed in a youth development center and again I will talk more about each of those sanctions as we through. This shows the most recent years to children's level and offense classification, so you can see that the majority of the offences as [xx] pointed out and [xx] are minor misdemeanor offences, about 75%, only about two and a half percent are violent [xx] so many offenses and then there is about 23% in the middle where it considered serious offense while they're awaiting a hearing on in some other cases as need be, they may be detained in a detention center, there state run and county run detention centers.

And a complicated arrangement of county and state financial reimbursement back and forth. So juvenile justice is required to pay the county 50% of the cost of caring for juvenile from within the county, and a 100% the cost of caring for the juvenile from outside the county. Counties are required to pay juvenile justice on the other hand so 50% the cost of caring for a juvenile within a county to juvenile justice on place outside the county. And that current the rate of reimbursement back back and forth is currently to $244 per day. This is there settle budget for detention center services. If you were to look at this budget it's declined significantly because of the closure of several detention centers over the last three years specifically Richmond and Buncombe detention centers were closed in the 2013 budget this are the remaining detention centers, state detention centers six of them and three county detention center and as Mr. Reader[sp?] mentioned there's a significant decline in the number of days and the number of admissions to detention centers from 2010 to 2014. so you can see the trend here it's really distinctive. if a juvenile is given a level one disposition they will most likely be sent to community based programming. The legislative intent for community based programming was develop an alternative to use development  centers in confining you, which less expenses and had rather physical problematic outcomes for all these juvenile stories can find there. So the legislature directed Juvenile Justice to provide community based alternatives to detention and to confinement including substance abuse programs, gang prevention strategies, mentoring, tutoring, [XX] these are all community based programs that a juvenile may be assigned to if they've been a juvenile delinquent Representative Dollar Thank you madam chair. You've mentioned gangs [XX] claims about gangs being in the juvenile neighbourhood, juvenile roots and are we doing a great deal or anything about [XX] the master deputy commissioner criminal justice, thank you, Mr. Doctry[sp?], we had a comprehensive gang assessment that was done in the state of North Carolina for juveniles and Johnson County was one of those counties where we did that assessment, and actually it was done in 89 of the 100 counties, the other 11 chose not to do it, but it is part of the JCPC annual planning process that each year they're supposed to look at the gaps and services and needs for services in that community and gang that a gang assesment is supposed to be one of the parts that they assist to look at so, they look specifically at what is driving a kid to doing the gang in the first place, is it a lack of opportunity in the community, is it like a family involvement, what is driving these kids towards getting involvement and that's supposed to be one of those things that they are supposed to find at the local level for the juvenile conferencing council to address that gang behavior, but I would be glad to send you a copy of the Johnson County, getting assessment, that specifically looked at why juveniles are joining gangs in that air force part of the assessment process, and I would be glad to give you that information, and that's part of the [xx] process now to address this issues moving forward. One to follow up question. Yes. Are gang membership growing is it becoming bigger in out estates, [xx] too much for you? It is I can speak mainly to the Juvenile population we have we do that as part of the risk and need assessment when a juvenile comes into the system and we find that about 12%-13% of population coming into the system is getting involved but by the time they get deeper into the system into our youth development centers almost 45% are gang involved that are in our youth development centers today so we've looked at those trends over the last few years and we know on the adult side also that the gang issues is a growing issue but on the juvenile side is something that we are trying to address looking forward to. Representative Charles Graham, I mean George Graham did you have a question? Mrs. Chairman is that nobody just disturbs me.

I don't believe that I mean, that's the [xx]. So, one second [xx] I mean I have a personal conversation with you, where in earth we get the commissioner for criminal justice the 45% is for just the kids that are in youth development centres and keep in mind that only last year we only admitted  219 juveniles into these development centres so it is a very small population, but it also emphasizes the point that Lisa was just showing me that those kids that are in or use development centres are the highest risk, the highest needs juvenile in the state you would think by that nature that they would more likely be involved in gangs. Follow up Follow up [xx] at 45% the gangs in control of the systems or are you. We are, absolutely lee master deputy commissioner for Juvenile justice we absolutely are in control we've put in place programs now in our youth development centers that they are not allowed to show gang signs you are not allowed to do any gang symbols while they are in the facility we have zero tolerance for that we've also incorporated a curriculum the phoenix curriculum that works in our juvenile facility that specifically address gang behavior among those youth. Follow up [xx] we cant here. Do you have anyone incarcerated for murder in [xx] we have one that's in a youth development center that's in for murder at this time but as Lisa was saying most juveniles that are committed murder will be laid to the adult system so if you are already age of 13 and commit any felony that automatically have to go to the adult system but actually 14 that they have to go 13 you can't go, so most of the murder cases for juvenile still go to the adult system My question goes back to, I'm not a researcher and I don't plan to be a researcher, scientist anything of that nature. My question is what drives these folks in your studies and you're looking at the big picture There is everything master. Or whomever. Waiting master deputy commissioner juvenile justice, there's three reasons that we've found in our studies in North Carolina statistically, number one being that they're looking for protection. Meaning that they feel like they're at a school and environment where in their community where they need somebody to have their back, because the crime rate or the intense pressure by other gang members in that community is forcing them into the gang, so protection is one of them. One is excitement and fun, they think it's going to be fun they join the gang and they quickly learn that no these folks are taking advantage of me, but when they first join the gang they think it's going to be exciting and fun to help them. The third one is the lack of family involvement that they don't have anybody in their homes that or were their home life has actually had generational gang involvement themselves so their parents are involved in gangs and so therefore they're also involved in gangs, or that there's a lack of [XX] involvement in the home. So those are over the top three reasons when we did our gang assessment a couple of years ago these were the top three reasons that we found that juveniles told us that they were joining gangs. [xx] are they joining the gang in our schools? [xx] is there laughter?   Yes, your commissioner, laughter. What we found is that yesterday there is gang presence in our schools, we did a survey couple of years ago as a part of this assessment, 42% of our high schools students said that there is a gang presence on their actual campuses 21% of our middle school have a gang present on their school campus so, yes, there gang presence in our school campus a lot of time my noty kid or kids that grow up in different cultures, hiestinic kids that come to our country or doing gang because they don't feel like they been accepted into that school environment and so a lot of time they will seek out the help or protection of that gang so that they it felt like they fit in. Just for a comment, I feel [xx] to me that is to my

involvement to 42% and then we're going down to middle schools, another type of [xx] on our [xx], an I've had a lot of problems [xx] about how do we get our [xx] This thing about media does it from pages flow across the stage and would like to do our constant page this and I think it's an issue that and money can budget last year for state schools and looking at this issue and I am not sure I just think it's a drop in the book, I think we've got a serious problem here as long as [xx]. Takes a village, it's going to take all of us and we're going to have to all walk and may be we can come up with some suggestion some ideas and I know we'll work with the department and anything we can help them with that they can help us with and anyway we can help. We'll do our best we need to support this department and their efforts, absolutely, whatever they need [xx] I think we need to get that representative Joe, Good question, thank you Madam Chair, I was looking at page nine and it talks about the [xx] 14 to 15 and my question is how long is the child held on average in that age group? Deputy commissioner West, It's average, in other words the 14-15 because that seems to be the highest Justice William Luster, the average length to stay in a youth development center which is the committed facility is just over a year, it's almost a year and a couple of weeks right now, it's the average length of stay, per statute they have to stay six months and then the department gets to determine how long they stay after that depending on whether they're meeting the treatment goals that they're supposed to be meeting while they are in the youth development centers so, it it's own average the delinquent stay is just over a year. We 're going to ask that question because Follow up Yes follow up sorry I was looking at page 20 and I have a particular concern about Guilford County and I look at Guilford County, Guilford County is 13-14 with the highest in the state in terms of detention services and so I'm very concerned about that issue as I am across the state, but particularly when I look at that figure it's almost $2 million. And so I guess this is really your comment that we do need to do something immediately and we can't kick the can down the road. Thank you. Deputy Commissioner [xx] I just want to clarify that there's a detention [xx] and Guilford County has their own detention center so it's a county-run detention center, they accept kids from other parts of the state also, so that number can be a little bit misleading that it looks like they have 48 beds and it's just for Guilford county. We are I didn't know. I'm just clarifying we did a meeting with their judges in Guilford County because they have their own detention centre they did have a slightly higher detaining rate and they've actually come down significantly in the last couple of years, based of detention forum that we had in that county, so I'd be glad to give you just the specific numbers of just the detained kids for Guilford County so you can look at those and see the trend lines. Thank you. Thank you. We need to move along. some of this so sound familiar now, as Mr. Luster meantioned county hasn't refill no crime preventing Councillor JPPC, neither locally specific program that the counties hasn't self chosen counties most provider a match to a certain percentage of funds that the state provides and so each county is motivated to find the program that is actually tailored to the local needs and specific needs of community so if you have a county that doesn't have large gang involvement they won't necessarily have a [xx] dedicated to that problem. If you have a county that does you will so the idea behind the date JPPC is to let counties identify the gap in services themselves. The make up of the JCPC council is mandated in statute so

you can see that it requires a high level of community involvement variety of different areas including debate community school systems and the chief of police. The ACPC program by typing participation you can see that the majority are what I called I prove under restorative programs which are mediation king core and restitution program. They are also mentoring in children programs, some residential options, some counseling both family and individual, and assessment program. And the total of the average cos for participating in the JCB. So, this is the total cost, state and county is $1430. If you go deeper into the system, if a juvenile goes deeper into the system and receives the level two disposition which is an intermediate disposition, then they are going to be more stringently supervised. They can be placed in a group home. They can be placed under house arrest and they can make restitution in excess of $500 or up to 200 hours of community service. So, this is where we see some other alternatives to detention and community services that are provided to these level two youths. And I'll go through each of these so there are JCPC programs from JCPC Endorsed Level Two services, I'll talk about that in more detail. Group home [xx] and west care residential programs and some non-residential programs. The ATPC endorse level two program these were created two or three years ago I believe to create community specific programs for local needs for level two use, there were 400 youths served last year at a cost of 2000 approximately per child. The [xx] I know that the [xx] on all these following sites it's important to remember that in general the [xx] rate for juveniles is around 40%, so 25% [xx] rate while that may sound high in context is actually half of what we would expect to see. [xx] who some of you might have heard of [xx] now provides some residential options but they also provide some community-based programs for the state as well now, including cognitive behavioral therapy, wrap-around treatments, and after care their services. They are in 50 counties, and they served 400 youths last year at a cost of about $5400 per child. Another community based program is AMI kids which provides functional family therapy in 50 counties and served about 400 youths last year. Finally, multipurpose group home. These are contract with a immensity homes for children. I'm sure that many of you have heard of them, and they're five homes with eight beds each and approximately eighty users served annually. About $28, 000 per juvenile third and a receipt of it is rated about 29% within 12 months of discharge. All of this information is in the the annual evaluation community programs which I'll be happy to post if you all will be interested in looking at that as well. This is where the multipurpose group homes are located, across the state. There are some residential programs for level two youths, so while these are not confinement facilities or [xx] these are committed residential programmes [xx] alternatives to provide the services for boys, about 60 boys, a three month program and about $23, 000 for juvenile. West Care provides the care for girls in the state, for level two girls, and it's also a three month programs. They serve 16 girls, so they've served 56 in the last year which is a fairly low number as representative George Graham mentioned. The need for a female treatment, girls often need longer and more intensive treatment than boys do. This is where the [xx] camp sorry, [xx] residential programs and the West Care program is located. Finally, the level three [xx] or [xx] development centre this was mentioned earlier so I just go to the the good part. The these development centres have

defined dramatically [xx] been treated in community based programs in their own communities, so this is the decline since 2004. It's 42% if you looked at it since 2001 it's 67% so that's a dramatic decline which is a good story and good thing to see especially when you consider the cost per bed per juvenile at the youth development center which runs $100000 per bed per year the legislature has closed several [xx] because the demand has declined as far as I know the [xx] age come and lenor in the past three years. Finally the department has the division rather has started to focus on re-entry services as well and some transitional housing for juveniles who can't go back to their home environment for one reason or another. Security, lack of family who are willing or able to care for the juvenile So the re-serviced[sp?] craving[sp?] transitional home which is for males, I fix the 12 month [xx] program to fix that and in North Oaktown home which opened in July of last year which is for a female and has five beds and these facilities are designed to help juveniles who can't return to their homes successfully reintegrate into the community after their recent budget action. It's been a little busy 2012 closed the [xx] I mentioned, 2013 closed [xx] YDG Richmond Detention Centre, [xx] Detention Center funded in [xx] Purpose Group in the west, provided an additional million dollars for community programs, funded by state for school's initiative, I believe representative Charles Grant mentioned this. And also join Juvenile Justice with Adult Correction to create the ACJJ. The strategic [xx] mentioned earlier, that it wanted to highlight it, because it's prior the main project that Juvenile Justice is moving forward with at the moment. This was in 2014, and it authorized the Department of Public ATTU 1.77 million in repairs and renovation funds to implement the strategic facility plan. And for all it's worth you phase out under utilized, unsafe, outdated facilities to reopen Edgecombe YDC in Lenoir, YDC was expanded by capacity and a lower per-bed cost and to reinvest any savings into community programs including adding 16 new crisis beds, opening five new transitional homes, and funding expanded re-entry services. So this is the status update, and now am sure there are people here who can answer questions if there are more details wanted, but things have moved forward, so you can see here the list of projects that're very close to being completed and will be online as of July 2015. And then into the following year. So, any questions about those? I see the the decision was finally made to move down back to Illinois was the new facility right? Correct. OK, which they closed and now they're reopening it to they are planning once the transition is complete, apparently on May 26th, they are planning on closing jobs are re-utilizing it for something else or Commissioner, Pastor We'll probably use some of the buildings, Representative and Deputy Commissioner, William Laster. We'll probably use some of the buildings at DOBs, such as the vocational building that we've, can use, and has [xx] across the street, and use that facility. We'll probably keep the chapel, and then we also in the strategic plan listed out ever rate the age, we wanted to make sure we had the capacity so that the district [xx] would knows if that ever happens, so that was the part of the strategic planning too. What was the end result of the renovation of the cafeteria? So, as Lisa was just stating the 1.77 million that was supposed to be used by the cafeteria, well it has been used now to renovate hedge-cam and/or large accent and chattim[sp?]. So, when will we build one cafeteria for we've renovated facilities with? [xx] Private question represented [xx] bank. Thank you your. The approximation for IDP is 30 million [xx] Yes Sir Charly.  Just wanted to call out that.

On the for labor sold. Yes. Where is that program? Where does that operate on? [xx] who goes there? That's a good question, I think in the current organizational chart for DPS. I just [xx] and the law enforcement at the moment and it is, I'm not sure whether it turn the house draft, but that the department can [xx] [xx] Yeah. If the house has the right to joined forces headquarters right now, and they also have user conference room medicinal doctors. [xx]. It's going to split between medical justice and law enforcement. Otherwise, it seems right. does anyone know that? {xx] Yes ma'am. We'll be glad that there's the annual that was presented to the governor last year on the recommendations, and then there's been a follow up action on the item report that's been done on the safer school's initiative. I'll be glad to give that to the whole committee. Thank you. Alright, representative George Graham. Yes ma'am just one more education, madam chair and the community college, how is that working? We have some of the kids that are 16 and above enrolled in your GED programs like the vocational programs but those kids end up in low that college age on [xx] My name is Dave Hart, I'm the director of facility operations. So, we have several different tracks of education based on the child's needs. Obviously based on their age kids can't do strong by the school under 16. So, those kids are going to be on one track, some of those might be with additional services based on if they on an IP or not and we also at each facility have a partnership with community college where they come in and so GED. We have several kids that are doing only college courses that are post GED kids so they may have finished their GED with us or prior to joining us and those kids would be on it, they could be on a track to either do vocational programming that would lead itself to a certificate or they would be on some online community collage classes. And in some rare cases, we have is actually attending community collage that're ready for that stage. So there're several different tracks. It's really individualized based on their needs. Follow up? Just one. OK. How many are you graduating each year? How many get their GED? O. K. We can get that number. we have several kids who graduate from high school within our system, GED graduates. I don't know that exact number right off the top of my head, but we will definitely give that to you. State your name. Thank you very much. [xx] in duty operation. I will pick someone else who have the answers who will clarify. Thank you ma'am. Thank you Madam chair [xx] mentally disturbed children, one of the great benefits of partnering with mental disturbed children is it is part of our commitment and we are a mission is than any who is down in one of this multipurpose on programs, any body who is been on transitional living re-entry programs [xx] North Hills, we've a lifetime commitment to put him through a minimum of 40 years of college and they also were able to access these funds more broadly if they wanted to do vocational training for HBAC or other types of services in cases where they are maintain a B average we also put those through a masters program. When I stayed in life time commitment last year we had somebody who was 47 years of age who had been with us when they were 15, so it's a, and we have 31 people in total who are going through that program. Thank you [xx] There is two things [xx] the first trained bill [xx] Deputy Smith, all commissions observed. Well, what is the time? [xx] I believe there is actually someone that has sponsoring ability to try to help us with that, but these buildings are still and the ones that were recently built back in 1909 at Simo[sp?] junction, and so there are safety issues because we have like to come and hang out. Let's build into a [xx] that takes [xx]. We are looking at options of how we can either remove them, or but they're historical property. So, you just can't turn down, and

so we're trying to figure out the best way to do that, and secure them right now. [xx] sitting, I do have three questions for you Madam if I might commission guys. We need your help with that issue. These are historic buildings, but these buildings are in very poor repair. They can't be repaired, and there is best than other issues there, and I sold to the community. I guess I feel more fun cold of the weekly basics about those old buildings. We've had a fire up there in one of those old buildings. So, we we really need to put our rage together find a way to solve that issue, and it would help us all. Yes sir [xx] We're in appropriations here. Yes sir. And did you, I know you probably have all the numbers now but and number one on the budget [xx] Commissioner [xx].commissioner David [xx] correction juvenile justice. Rather than just give you numbers off the top of my head, because we want to talk with you about that but we want to actually have the exact numbers in work with the physical research on addressing that issue because I think it's very important. Let me say to you that I believe that it's time here in North Carolina we address this issue we're one I think the only state, and now I think New York has moved home at least they were studying the issue I think it's time for North Carolina to address that issue. It is one that would cost and [xx] appropriation there's not a question about that simply because we will be that population entirely different than it's currently being dealt with too bad I believe that while we now have adult corrections and juvenile justice together administratively I think that we can approach it different than we would have been able to approach it in the past and I think willing to look at that and discuss not only what happened with appropriation, but how we will provide the services that would be needed and they would be different than they are today. So we look forward to that discussion if that comes up the other thing in clause that I will say to you is to coordinate really look I think the last bill that began to address that issue focused on the misdemeanor population. I would challenge you and say that we need to look at, not only the misdemeanor population but the felon population also keep in mind that we have place and we'll have in place the opportunity for the District Attorney and the court to address those serious cases that might occur in a community. There'll always be that opportunity to address them through the adult system regardless of what we put in place but I've always said that it is very difficult to be successful at dealing with a young person when you're talking about treatment issues. You can not be successful as today we really struggle with this where we have someone 16 or 17 year old that has a treatment and we send them down to treatment in their city and there was someone that's 45 years old or 50 years old in the same treatment program. It just doesn't work so look forward that I did not address. I pulled a politician out the back pocket there and talked around it a little bit, but we look forward at that pouncer. Follow up. We have Well again I would say to you that we would look at the numbers and while we are somewhat limited as you all know, we've been real close in our strategic plan, we some expansion we opened up some facilities that had been closed and there are

facilities were closed than the older facilities and we're pretty tight there with red spice for the YDCs, so we will have to address that issue because there would be some numbers that will go up ther, but I think the real challenge those probably is going to be in the community how we're going to address those needs in the community because the needs for that group will change and it will be addressed in a different fashion than they are addressed today. If you look at our population today of 16, 17 [xx] have built system in what they are in therefore and when I say system am primarily talking about in the community because again we have course rated, that's a small number. But we have a lot of folks, a good number that are under community supervision, so we would be that shift, and how we made that shift if we did it over a period of time really probably how you would do that, but again those are things that we are going to have to talk about. One last comment.  Do I know something? [xx] renovational amounts to [xx] Commissioner [xx] to juvenile justice, they no longer allow me to file a bill, I think we'll take someone sitting around this table to file that bill and if they wanted to put that in and load that bill, and I'm nervous some stop us here that would get quite excited about that, but it's something that I think that again we need to discuss because this buildings are old and thy're dangerous, and again we get those reports and we just need to find a way to address that issue [xx]. They got to have a problem with, I have learned from [xx] Commissioner Geiser, if I might, Madam Chair just take just a moment. This is a little bit away from the juvenile piece but there's an article that is being they will come out, I think it went out yesterday from the county or state government justice center, and they once again are looking at North Carolina, and they are looking at the racial disparity issue with regards to to ration in three states but the three states and North Carolina being the leading state are all states that are being recognized that have taken action in the lasst number of years that have had an impact on those numbers. So I know there was some talk early on about that and I would encourage you to take a look at that article because once again some of the policies that you folks implemented back in 2011 or having an impact on area that we had not really thought about, but it is changing the makeup of those that are incarcerated in North Carolina. Very good. Hopefully when you get it, we'll all get it. I tried to see that article. Thank you. Are there any other questions? Yes representative [xx]. We have talked a lot this morning about games, and that state here [xx] doesn't bring out to [xx] [xx] belong We don't it something for long [xx]. Those folks out there using in the games, and hold them up, and how in the world we get young people to why [xx] doing great jobs for the certain amount of population. That's a big challenge I think those are [xx]. These particular committee ought to

perhaps give a couple of hours to our meetings to have game experts come in and talk to us. [xx] not only in our system [xx] and we know that we know we have this sort of consistent concern, that's it. The fact that every child wants to belong, and I think that's the key. So, I would hope that [xx] Representative [xx] Go ahead. You have the center.  I met about two weeks ago with the. Some members of the North Carolina Gang Investigators' Association so I could probably facilitate maybe getting them to come [xx] if that's Is that what the committee would desire? Thank you [xx] I appreciate these comments. Representative [xx] I respect your knowledge on this issue [xx] I agree with what he said, children need to belong and they're going to find something to belongs to. And obviously they're reaching out and belonging to the wrong things. In this presentation, if we could, have someone come speak to this committee, who's actively engaged in trying to make sure [xx] someone who has some experience in that area. If we have that discussion I'd like to see someone who's in the trenches, Right. It would probably be good to have someone who's escaped that position too. Probably be good to have somebody who has gotten away from that. Is there [xx] We were 100 percent. It would be good to hear from someone like [xx] has said, but then the trenches but may be it has been rehabilitated Right   Okay. To come and I'm not talking about deputy or someone that actually [crosstalk] rehabilitate from that to stay away because obviously, they would have more knowledge about what's going on, if someone is trying to receive some knowledge. Exactly. The thing is we are getting into the budget thing and we haven't gotten our target dates yet, our target figures yet, but when that starts we would probably not be meeting and so I need to know from staff, what do you have planned for Madam Chair, we can certainly work something like that into the I think we have scheduled two more weeks, well this week and next week. First have committee meetings and then spring break and then we haven't really talked about what's going to happen after spring break. One of the things I'm hearing, I mean, I know that this is an issue you want to hear about now, but the level of the number of things that you want to hear and the number of people you want to hear from, this actually made a limit better to an oversight committee meeting where you have multiple our system and talking about it and you can use [xx] meeting on [xx]. In the inner room.  But if we give money here we could  start the work into the schedule for sub-committee which has made you a little bit more [xx] than what we are all talking about am having, because am not sure that everything in an hour and 20 minutes. We will get with [xx] talk about that, so we can go. Are there any other questions to get close [xx]. OK. Meeting adjourned