May I have your attention, please? Visitors, please retire from the chamber as the House prepares for its session. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The House will come to order, members will take their seats, visitors will retire from the chamber. The sergeant-at-arms will close the doors. Members and visitors are asked to please silence all electronic devices. Today’s prayer will be offered by Representative Brian Brown. All members of all visitors in the gallery are asked to please stand during the prayer and also to remain standing during the pledge of allegiance. Representative Brown is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members, if we will bow our heads. Heavenly Father, with issues facing this body that are historically significant, we pause to acknowledge you and to thank you. I ask for your protection, your divine wisdom and your daily guidance upon each of these honorable men and women here in the North Carolina House of Representatives, along with their families. May your plan become our purpose, may your book become our guide, and many your presence be our ever-encouraging assurance. Bless the members of this hallowed body with the knowledge that what binds us together is stronger than what may pull us apart, that serving you is best accomplished by serving others. In Jesus’ name, amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Harnett, Representative Lewis, is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, the journal for March 4th has been examined and found to be correct. I move that it stand approved as written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis moves that the journal from March 4th be approved as written. Those in favor will say aye. Opposed no. The ayes have it and the journal is approved as written. Members, our nurse for the day is Sheronda Boykin from Fayetteville, North Carolina. Ms. Boykin, thank you for being with us today. Introduction of bills and resolutions, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 148, representatives Shepard, ??, Brown, Waddell, and Adams, insurance and safety inspection, mopeds. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Transportation if favorable insurance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 149, representatives Meyer and Insko, school calendar flexibility, Orange County. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Education K-12. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 150, representatives Meyer and Insko, school calendar flexibility, Chapel Hill ??. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Education K-12. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 151, representatives Tine, Setzer, ?? and Jackson, property insurance, rate making reform. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Insurance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 152, representatives Ross, Hardister, Lewis and Glazier, new historic preservation tax credit. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 153, representatives, Gill and Hurley, school calendar flexibility, certain local education agencies. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Education K-12 [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 154, representative Iler, ?? in-state health plan. [SPEAKER CHANGES] State personnel, if favorable, appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 155, representative Dobson, school calendar flexibility, certain counties. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Education K-12 [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 156, representatives Avila, Malone, Davis, Harrison, legal notices required internet, with publication. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Judiciary one. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 157, representatives McElraft and Catlin, amend environmental laws. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Environment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 158, representatives Lambeth, Dollar, Hurley and McElraft, ?? teen skin cancer prevention aid. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Health [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 159, representative…
??Lesame, McGrady, Capman and Harrison, regulate commercial dog breeders. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Judiciary two if favorable finance. Messages from the senate if there are any and there are none. Members of the house would come to order. Before we take up the two bills on today's calender we have a number of special guests the chair would like to, would like to recognize. If the members could give your attention to the chair I wanna read out a number we do have a number of special guests with us we'll go through. First of all on motion of representative Lewis of Harnett county. The chair is happy to extend the courtesy of the floor to Evelyn Langston and her son Eddy Langston. Evelyn has served in the North Carolina school system, get this, for sixty three years. Miss Langston if you'd please stand we'd like to thank ya and welcome you today to the floor. The chair would also want to point out that a number of other family members of Miss Langston are with us today, Phillis Langston Turnage who is here daughter, Benita Langston her daughter-in-law, and Caroline Brewington are also with her and I think they're in the gallery. If you could all please stand so that we could welcome you as well. Thank you for being with us. And also on behalf of all members of the house and particularly representative Michaux of Durham county the chair extends the courtesies of the floor to a very special guest. Sam Jones his wife Gladis and Lavelle Moten who is the North Carolina Central University basketball coach. And want to read a few other things about Mr. Jones I was provided. Mr. Jones is a native North Carolinian he was born in Wilmington. Attended and graduated from North Carolina Central University then North Carolina College where he was a four year letter winner. Jones scored, get this, one thousand seven hundred and forty five points. Which is still second in school history. Now, Mickey Michaux tells me he has the top score that he actually beat that. I don't know if it's true or not we'll find out. He was three time all CIAA selection. He then played all of his twelve seasons in the NBA with the Boston Celtics. He was known as a clutch scorer with fifteen thousand points in his career. He participated in five all star games and is usually recognized as one of the best shooting guards of his generation. He was named the all NBA second team three straight years, nineteen sixty five to sixty seven. Played on ten championship games from fifty nine to sixty six and sixty eight to sixty nine, a total only exceeded by teamate Bill Russell in NBA history. His perfect form when shooting a jump shot along with his great clutch shooting led opponents to nickname him the shooter. So what I think we're probably going to be able to do when we have this basketball thing we play the senate this year, we're going to bring you out of retirement and let you and Michaux be our ringers this year on the basketball. Again welcome to the house floor we're honored to have you.[applause] [SPEAKER CHANGE] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham representative Michaux rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Point of personal privilege Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman has the floor to speak to a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the house it is an honor for me to present my friend and I'm happy to speak as extended the courtesy of the floor to my friend Sam Jones. I have to tell you a few things, we go back many many years and Sam, one reason I wanted you all to know it is because we sent several stellar athletes out to the world from North Carolina. But you've never had an athlete that has five national championship, ten actually ten national championship rings. Ten rings.
So there’s only one other person that has one better than [??]. It’s his teammate in Boston, Bill Russell. Bill has 11 rings, but not only that, but he’s a member of the North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame, he’s a member of the National Basketball Hall of Fame, he’s been selected to the 25 year all time NBA team and the 50 year all time NBA team. He is a native North Carolinian, but that does one other person that I really, Mr. Speaker, really want to introduce you to. Now, Sam went from North Carolina to Boston. We have another visitor on the floor here that came from Boston to North Carolina and he is making a name for himself. His name is Lavelle Mote, and he’s the coach at North Carolina Circle University. Lavelle just, well, tonight is his last game, but in the MEAC, the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference, it is a team, a conference composed, a division one conference composed of 13 historically black colleges and universities in the country and they’ve run from Maryland to Florida. Central, North Carolina Central’s record up to date is 15-0 in the conference, 23-6 overall. Win the game tonight against our arch-enemy from AMT, win the game tonight the team will be 16-0. Forget about the tournament is next week, last year they won the tournament and got an automatic bid to the March Madness. This year we’re looking for the same thing, coach, to repeat going to the big dance, but I wanted folks to know that North Carolina, you’ve heard all these other athletes, you’ve heard Michael Jordan, but Sam Jones is a legend in his own time. No question about it. Anybody who can earn 10 championship rings with the same team. I’m also happy to have my godson, his son, the last born, Ashley, sitting over here with him and the most important person in that whole group is sitting beside Sam is his wife, Gladys, and let me tell you, both of them graduated from North Carolina Central. They’ve been married 58 years this year. [applause] And neither Sam nor Gladys can deny it because I was there. I was his best man. They have five children. As I said, Ashley’s one of them and Ashley’s my godson and in addition to that what is it? 16, 14 grandchildren, so Mr. Speaker, ladies and gents, I just wanted to let you all know that there are folks in North Carolina who are citizens who have been great contributors to the history of North Carolina and here you have them sitting right before you. Mr. Speaker, I hope you will recognize the folks that we have in the gallery. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We will do that now. On motion of Representative Michaux of Durham County, the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery additionally to the following individuals, Chancellor Debra Saunders-White of North Carolina Central University, Athletic Director Ingrid Wicker of McCree North Carolina Central University, Lula Thorpe, friend of Sam and Gladys Jones, Jean Micheaux, wife of Representative Mickey Micheaux, Pam Thorpe-Young, Director of External Affairs for North Carolina Central University, Chief of Staff Wendell Phillips of North Carolina Central University, Ashley Jones, son of Sam and Gladys Jones, Charles Barrett and wife Martha, former Board of Trustees members at North Carolina Central University. Again, on behalf of the House we welcome you to the, to the House today and glad to have you with us. [applause] And again, on behalf of myself, Mrs. Langston, Mr. Jones, I want to thank you for the contributions both of you have made in different ways to the state. You honor us with your presence here today and we’re certainly glad to have you here with us. Thanks again for coming. Additional courtesies. On motion of all of the members, the Chair is happy
Speaker changes: courtesies of the gallery to North Carolina ?? if you all please stand welcome to the house ?? glad to have here on motion of Representative from union county the ?? to north Carolina school ?? for the year those also national level?? middle field elementary school in if you all lets us recognizes individually as well on motion of Representative the union county ?? if you stand so we soul like to welcome you as well ?? that recognition also come from the countries as well community college trustees of you all stand so we would welcome you s well we also have ?? group with us ?? if you all stand up so we would welcome you s well thank you from being here and for the ?? i believe your Representative will be ?? keeping eye on them today we gonna move to the calender ?? for what purpose does the gentlemen ??, Speaker changes:question to the privilege, Speaker changes:the gentlemen is recognized to speak moment on privilege Speaker changes:thank you Mr speaker ladies and gentlemen the chair it is high honor to attend ?? tournaments to go ?? campus of north Carolina central to batch in person Sam Jones and other them just blow other them out in the tournament and little less know secrets are that ?? and it i almost like Holland ?? Washington generous central wood win Sam Jones was truly an outstanding athlete and the continued to be outstanding athlete and he pioneered the way for many others to follow in the be many of the don't relive ?? perfected ?? what we now know bank chart he was know Mr.Bank chart prior t that time ?? chart was prevent Sam Jones revolutionized that basketball experience in the NBS such outstanding athlete ?? for Winston Salem state university ?? Charles ?? Virginia union university ?? Hampton university ?? known ?? and many other have been
Influence from the CIWA to join the NBA experience because of that pioneering experience from Sam Jones. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Hall rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may speak to a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I’ll make this brief. You know, when you have greatness in your midst a lot of times everyone will climb on and try to claim some affiliation or association and so I wanna make sure I join that line too and what I wanna do is make sure that you know Sam Jones got his real start in basketball in Laurenburg Institute in Laurenburg, NC. That name was not mentioned in all the accolades that were read off, but certainly he did get his start there in basketball and Representative Wells, Representative Pierce is not at his desk right now, but wanted to lift up Laurenburg as being the home of Sam Jones, the start of his basketball career. He’s also in the hall of fame in the Laurenburg Institute and I wanted to make sure it’s in the record that great things come from small towns in North Carolina and they go on to be world-renown and he’s an example of it. So thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 117. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives S. Martin, Jeeter, Collins, Stineberg, A bill to be entitled an act to, North Carolina Competes Act. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Wilson, Representative Martin rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. We had an excellent vote on this bill yesterday and I want to thank all of my colleagues for taking the time to thoughtfully analyze these proposals and provide insight on both sides and we had a full debate and I stand prepared to answer questions if necessary. I just wanted to share one quote which I think sums up a lot of things that we’re talking about and this comes from a business leader in my community who had the opportunity, he’s part of a global organization which is looking at where to expand and he helped us to compete to make that expansion happen in North Carolina and not at another facility around the globe of which they were looking at Italy. We might should’ve looked at that, but here’s what he said. North Carolina will need to have a place at the table in order to assure that we have an opportunity to compete. Incentive offerings provide a significant metric as companies weigh future expansion and relocation opportunities on balance, this is a really important word, on balance, the state must continue its efforts to create a global contender for jobs and investments of the future by enhancing our pro-business positioning, keeping taxes low, reinforcing the strength of the research universities and community college systems, creating a fair regulatory environment in our view would convey to the world that North Carolina is open and ready for business. So my bottom, my point here is that although we’ve had a lot of philosophical debate on both sides, this is a great opportunity for us to all come together and get great results for our citizens. We can have a multi-pronged approach to grow jobs in our state and I would appreciate your support of the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Jackson rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, yesterday I voted no on this bill. I didn’t speak and I wanted to let you know that I wanted to vote for it and I wanna tell you why I wanted to vote for it. I have family that’s from Pearl City, AL, and for those of you who don’t know where Pearl City is it is located, probably the nearest city to Lincoln, AL, which is where Honda Manufacturing decided in 1999 to build a factory there. the median household income in Pearl City, AL in 2000, the year before the construction started, was $37,250. In 201, which was the last numbers I could find, it was $48,408, ad I wanna compare that to a town that I represent, the town of Windale, which in 2000 was $39,750 but in 2012 was only $37, 214. I can tell you that once construction started, almost overnight they got a hotel. They got restaurants, they got commercial development, then came the
Speaker changes:housing development and then come the lower employment rte housing job ?? and came really good jobs Representative i want to know if this man comes get out of the to north Carolina you will have my full support ?? i just don't understand the tax break for the first time in the bill we have terrible timing we have terrible ?? and got only few bill today and senate bill 20 ?? the revenue and the was forecasting ?? by 104 million dollars according to the ?? where the house bill 117 giving tax break to or and cost 47.4 million over next four ?? has gross revenue ?? and bird they profit in 2014 for 4.2 billing that was after tax profit ?? just like gs bill whether you like it or not these two bills are related and that why i have to invite i can increase ?? for airline manufacture thank you Mr speaker Speaker changes: thank you Mr.speaker does the general from ?? Speaker changes: to speak on the bill to time not exceed four minutes Speaker changes:does the gentlemen yells the question ?? Speaker changes:yes Speaker changes:now the gentlemen wanna count the time that exceeds yesterday like four minutes Speaker changes:no Speaker changes:alright the gentlemen has the floor to speak to the bill the speak ?? i can see this sponsors of the bill are not waste money ?? that money would be send on the state more prosperous state but that's just something we thing the just agree with in the early days ?? we have examples the sent ?? be given after the building to the construction ?? thank appreciated we had situation few years go i think Wilson when at Bridgetown ?? it's sort of retro active ?? but the whole point of these incentives is to try to get them but for the incentive they wouldn't come you my wonder why to put this piece of paper on your desk you are probably are ?? 1000's of them everyone of the side one of these and if you notice the very bottom on page 2 it says wining ?? false statements and then the second making it big felony make false statement on these ?? and willing to say under penalty of going to prison i want to stay what everyone on these salmon statement or correct but to get the incentives they check box but they don't really gotta say ?? really true i offered member in finance that they have checked that box under just wanted to really the process through which we allow ?? have to say i need these incentives to come ?? but if you given to me I'm welcome Speaker changes:for what purpose does the gentlemen ?? Speaker changes:to speak on the bill Speaker changes:the gentlemen has the floor to debate the bill Speaker changes: thank you Mr. speaker
There’s some of you all who are just deadset, you’re gonna vote for this no matter what. You have that right. You certainly do and I guess if you all want to take a nap while I’m talking you might as well. I wanna address some of the other folks who may have really been in opposition to this bill but, you know, I heard yesterday that a lot of people were being pressured to change their vote and vote for this. Oh, so and so out there is watching. They’re gonna hold you accountable if you vote against this. I understand that pressure’s hard to face, but you know, there’s a lot of money in this bill and I’m thinking there might could go a long way towards helping us repair or replace bridges that are about to fall down or build new roads or repair the ones we have or even to help the judiciary as Chief Justice Martin asked us to do yesterday. A lot of good things that are government business that could be done with this money instead of giving it to private businesses which I think is totally inappropriate, so I just ask you to think about this. You know, a lot of times in life we only get one chance to do the right thing, but here in the legislature we have a second chance to do the right thing. It’s called third reading. That’s where we are now. Yes, funny to me they never come to me to try to twist my arm. I don’t know why, but I heard that that happened to some of you all yesterday and I just ask you be who you are. Stand up for what you think is right and if you think this bill is wrong, vote no, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from New Hanover, Representative Catlin rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to give you, I need a longer cord here. I wanted to give you a personal perspective on this from an independent business owner that I started my business 30 years ago in my garage and I have grown it multistate and international. I have offices in Wilmingtion, Raleigh , Atlanta, America’s Georgia, Charlotte, Charleston, Tampa and Leipsig, Germany and the people that I’ve worked with, the subcontractors and my partners in my company we have created thousands of jobs over that 30 years and incentives were never, ever even on our minds. They were not, none of my clients had incentives. None of my partners had incentives. None of the subcontractors I work with had incentives, so for us to think that incentives are a big part is wrong because I have, I had spend my whole life working and I don’t even see that. I have never been involved with people that get incentives, so I would say that the incentive part is probably less than 0.01% of the jobs and the real businesses in North Carolina. My perspective. Now, but I’m still working to build jobs. I’m working with a company from Texas right now, their first pilot program where they’re gonna spend $3 million building that here in North Carolina this year and they’re using private money for that. If they are successful, they could create 100,000 jobs or more in over $10 billion a year in products that we can export to make North Carolina extremely successful and they have told me no incentives, please because we do not want government involved in our private business. It takes away our efficiency. That’s the real world that’s out there. We need to know that and I wanna bring up the emotional issue for me is how we pay for this. Where does the money come from? One of my concerns are, in addition to education and infrastructure is the, in 2013 we took away the medical deductions for our senior citizens. These are senior citizens that have worked hard and created lots of jobs and businesses and now are in medical disasters or they’re spouses are in those disasters and they pay for all of this theirself. They get no money from anybody else for that and we took away their tax credits for their medical deductions which has cost them $38 million. If we vote for this bill
This incentive bill, we're taking away the money to support the bill that I have filed to restore those medical deductions, so we're actually choosing. Are we going to be loyal to our senior citizens who are working hard and paying their own costs and not raise their taxes, or are we going to give it to corporations that are bribing North Carolina to come here? I cannot do this, in my heart it is a sin. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham, Representative Jones, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask if my friend, Representative Jackson, would yield to a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from Rockingham? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir, thank you for yielding, and I just, I appreciated you comments about the town in Alabama, and how the average pay had gone from, I believe, about $37,000 to about $48,000 since 1998. I just wanted to ask you if you were aware that if you apply the Consumer Price Index on inflation from 1998 to the present, that $37,000 in 1999 would be equivalent to over $53,000 today? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, thank you. Thank you, Representative Jones, yes I was aware of that fact. I was trying, in my comments, to compare Pale City, Alabama to one of the towns I represent. I will, however, tell you that if you look at the statistics for Pale City, Alabama on their website, they put the State of Alabama statistics, and their growth is much higher than the state as a whole. So it's very clear that you can tell that since 2001 when the manufacturer has started being built, it has made a big difference in the town and surrounding areas. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You would agree with me that the present value of $37,000 in 1999, which would now be more than $53,000, that is more than $48,000? We would agree on that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, yes, Representative Jones, I would agree with your math, however the numbers I was using, and I want to make sure we're clear, were from 2000, not 1998, and are through 2012, not 2015. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Luebke rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the House. I want to focus on some items that have not been given a lot of attention, although one of them has been spoken to very eloquently by Representative Jackson just a moment ago. A lot of what we have in the bill are benefits for major corporations that we think are going to come into the state only because we have the benefit package in here that is in this bill. That's a question that could be asked for a long, long time, whether it's really true. Representative Stam has spoken to that and he cited academic studies that actually show that you don't need these kinds of huge dollar giveaways in order to bring companies to many states, including North Carolina. So, it's a bit of a myth to assume that we know that except for these huge J-Dig appropriations we would not have the companies in the state. We've always been able to sell our state on the basis of quality infrastructure, in particular our education programs of our state. That's the way we've done it in the past, and the presumption now, that we can, we don't need to get companies but for this expanded, expanded giveaway program is, to me, a mistake. Secondly, I want to talk briefly about the fact that in the bill, it's a small point but an important point, I ask about whether the health care coverage that the company has provided, 50% level to the employees, whether there was a definition of health care coverage in the bill. It was indicated by Representative Martin on behalf of the Chairs, think that there is currently no definition of health care coverage and what that means. And what it does mean though, I think, is potentially the company could come in and offer a bare bones policy that would provide really not real help for the assistant, for the employees, and it would meet the criteria of the bill. So my request of Representative Martin and others is that you work with the Senate to put a definition of health care coverage in, one that is genuinely helpful to the employees. I think that is the minimum that we can do for the employees who would work
Speaker changes:thank you on that point and then i wanna talk about two issues that have really concerned meme in case for direction of these bill ?? one of them i have herd Representative Jackson speech and the thing bout sales tax and the 2013 session many many people in this house voted for the tax bill ?? also think that we debated the whole life last session ?? sales should there be sales tax on ?? of the bill same advocates of the bill that we can afford to give tax break we cant ?? to give tax break ?? on why to capture everything but suddenly we came lg ?? now the ?? our gasoline tax yesterday will be going ?? any one in this chamber please rise hand if you think that American airlines would be leaving Sherlock because you does at get the 12 million dollar tax before without the 12 million dollars ?? there is no way that they are leaving Speaker changes:speaker Speaker changes:for what purpose does the ?? Representative cedar ask Speaker changes: ?? to yell for quick question Speaker changes:does the gentlemen from ?? yell for quick question Speaker changes:i don't yell I'm finishes Speaker changes:he does not yell this time Speaker changes:so in fact that we know that 12 million dollars?? similar way the sales tax grow on electricity look on the power bill you see it having giving the huge corporation incentive perhaps 10 million dollar to come into our ?? they get that sales tax rte without promising job ?? Microsoft and Facebook incentive off course it's not ?? narrowing up sales tax base where we are widening the sales tax base ?? movie theaters county theaters ?? they are paying more tax?? why we spare tax break for ?? companies why we tax break for American airlines ?? and all we need to think all bout the sales tax break that we focus big corporation ?? or to the small business in our state thank you members, Speaker changes: for what purpose does the gentlemen from ?? Representative ??, Speaker changes:to debate the bill the gentlemen has the floor to debate the bill, Speaker changes:?? Representative Luke agree on something so i be careful driving home tonight it is false of ?? to take the ,American airlines issue to the fuel issue it's just not the same thing the irony of the jet fuel issue is the assumption being made is,
Don’t extend the existing policy, which by the way was put in place years ago by my friends over here. My guess is and I don’t know this for a fact, and I’m going to start trying to be factual on the floor, but my guess is my good friend Representative Leubke probably voted for it when it was put in place. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield now, based as I said I didn’t know for sure. He clearly didn’t, so I give him credit for that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Leubke, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Would Representative Jeter yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’ll yield like he yielded to me. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman does not yield at this time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I just wanted him to know my record on incentives ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] As I said ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair would remind the gentlemen that they are always free to step outside and have this conversation as well, if they would like. [LAUGHTER] The gentleman from Mecklenberg continues to have the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] But the reality you have to understand is that there’s a false perception that we are taking 12 million dollars out of the state coffers on the jet fund. Jet fuel tax. That is not true. American Airlines pays two and a half million dollars in fuel tax to the state of North Carolina. Every year. If you think that they won’t make a decision based on the cost effectiveness of operating out of a hub, go ask Pittsburgh. The reason they’re profitable is because of their ability to make good economic decisions based on the effectiveness of their business model. Hubs are in a incredibly viable part of the Charlotte Douglas Airport. If we don’t extend this tax credit we will artificially increase the cost of doing business there. If you think their business model works with Dallas, Charlotte and Miami all being major hubs, I’d ask you to go research some of Skip Stam’s economic studies. They don’t! The reason Charlotte’s there is our cost in plane passengers is the lowest in the nation. We are not giving up twelve million dollars, it’s actually ten million dollars if we pass this, we will be leaving two and a half million dollars out of our coffers that will not be there anymore. Because they won’t be here to pay fuel tax, and then we’ll be going, “Well heck, we were right, but we just lost two and a half million dollars.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Blust, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the House and I do hope Representative Jeter will be careful tonight going home especially if you have to drive over any bridges. My head’s still a little bit spinning from yesterday’s debate on both bills, and there’s a verse in the Bible, “The last shall be first and the first shall be last” and I’m thinking we may need a corollary to that here. The Republicans shall be the Democrats and the Democrats shall be the Republicans, because it was hard to follow based on having been here and seeing what people have said in the past on some of the same issues and to know, wait a second. That used to be them saying that, and that used to be us saying this. What has changed? And the reason I’m speaking today and I know it’s third reading and it’s a Thursday but yesterday we had a lot to do to major bills and the State of the State, and I didn’t want to hold up anyone’s dinner. One of the bill sponsors said that we were standing in the way of members’ dinners. But this is a very important bill, as is the next one, because I think it goes to the very core of what we have held ourselves out to the public to be. And I have to defend my vote and I don’t know that I’ll influence anybody’s vote but I do want to take this opportunity to explain mine. I don’t, I think Representative Jeter makes some good points on that issue. I lay that aside. That would have been a great issue to take up in another bill. The single sales factor, I probably support that. My biggest problem is with the JD, the J-Dig or whatever we’re calling it now, aspect of this bill. Mainly because to me, the gravamen, the argument for doing this and we all do hate incentives - everybody says that - but the central argument that if it’s not true, all else is meaningless, is this
The reason for the decision is the incentive in the JDIG. What leads to the decision on where to locate? I worked on a case once. There was a startup. The kiosks in grocery stores that you put your member's card in and you got specials tailored to your buying habits. This company needed to reach a certain level of participation from grocery stores, just got there, and then one of the major chains of the country pulled out and breached the contract, or at least it was alleged and there was a settlement. But working on that case, I spent days doing nothing but looking at boxes full of documents, literally in a warehouse the size of about half to a third of this chamber. And approximately half of the documents in those boxes were pro forma projections based on all sorts of variables and based upon all sorts of changes in those variables, some minute. And my point is, the companies, when we're talking about these big companies, these are important decisions, and Representative Jeter is right, they're looking for profitability. Where can they locate to maximize profitability? They look at logistics. How close are they to suppliers? How close are they to their market? How easy is the transportation system? How can they move goods? What's the cost of labor? What are the taxes? That's a huge. What're the taxes? What's the cost of regulation, the education, the workforce? And you add up all those. And those can be run over multi-years, and those savings are huge. So in my example, those savings are a $20 bill. The incentive, as much as it sounds like to us $3 million for something to locate here. That's a quarter. And I'm just throwing out coins. Of course it differs in proportionality. But you're telling me I'm supposed to vote to use taxpayer money so that we can dangle a quarter, and they'll pass up, they won't care about that $20 they'll save. They want that quarter. And my point is, I don't believe that's what drives the decision. I don't believe it. I think the literature shows it. I think anecdotal evidence shows it time and again. I'll give you an example. A member of this body yesterday told me a story about how he was the chairman of the Wake County Board of Commissioners, and he got a call from Governor Jim Hunt that we got a chance to get Cisco Systems to the Research Triangle Park, and you know Cisco is a multi-billion dollar corporation. And the deal depended on Wake County. Durham County's throwing in. Wake County had to throw in a million dollars. And this member turned them down. And the company came, and it's there, and it's successful, and it's thriving, because that million, as much as it sounds like to us does not mean anything in the vast yearly carrying on of these big businesses. And the reason I said earlier this goes to the gravimum of who we are, is we on the Republican side sell ourselves as we're gonna be careful with your money. We're gonna look at everything, we're gonna prioritize, and we believe in the free enterprise system. We want the market economy. And in so many ways this flies against that. In just so many ways that some of the other members have already articulated. Now the other thing that struck me during the debate on the two bills, is the use of some of the language. I feel like I've been scolded now by some of my own. I've heard, you're a purist. You people are purists. That was one of the epithets. And I'm thinking, no, I'm not a purist. Honestly, if somebody wanted to tailor a bill narrowly for an auto company, I would have to think long and hard before not voting for it. If there were enough people that told me we absolutely needed to do that. I can see myself from time to time on rare occasions, like so many of you all. I know you do. You're holding your nose to vote for this. And I know enough people have said that. So I can see having to do, or maybe do, I still don't know if I'd have to, but I sure wouldn't, I don't now if I'd want
But take that risk in some situations, but I just don't believe in the bottom line this is what we have to do, these are tax payer dollars. This isn't just about an auto company, this is a huge check to the Governor, and Republicans used to call this, when it was Bev Perdue, her walking around money. And they used to say kind of bad things to the Democrats that you're giving your Governor your walking around money, and it's strange to me a little bit to hear, to see the shoe on the other foot. The other thing, I know there is, and I'll close on this, there are some things that seem to be different, we take different positions over time, there is one constant though, I think, in this House chamber that you can count on. When Representative Luebke stands up to speak, the light are gonna start to go on. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham, Representative Jones, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES]To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I just want to make a few brief points. The first thing I wanted to do was just follow up with my conversation with my friend, Representative Jackson, and just to be factual. He said he went from 2000 to 2012, so the value of $37,000 in 2012, from 2000 to 2012 went t5o $49,333, so that's still more than $48,000. And so the point is, that I think if anybody's listening, attributed those comments to say that the pay went up because of what happened in the region, I think you would have to then say that it actually fell below the CPI inflation index and actually didn't keep up. [SPEAKER CHANGES]For what purpose does the gentleman from Nash, Representative Collins, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES]To see if my good friend, Representative Jones, would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Does the gentleman from Rockingham yield for the gentleman from Nash? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Of course. [SPEAKER CHANGES]He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Jones, you're saying that inflation took care of the rise from, what was it, $38,000 to $49,000, I think? Would you not agree, though, that he said his home area of Wendell, I know there's a, I heard it's probably Wendell, because it's named after Oliver Wendell Homes. Where I'm from, we incorrectly call it Windale. But, anyway, in Wendell or Windale, which ever it properly is, the wages actually went down by $2,000. Should you not agree that if we were having the same degree of success in an area without an auto plant that they do with it, that indeed those wages should have gone up. We should consider that in relation to inflation, also, and that not only did we lose to inflation, we actually lost out in even on the amount of the dollar figure, and that we should include that inflation factor on both ends of his argument. Representative Collins, I think there are a lot of, a lot of variable factors that would make a difference between Wake County, North Carolina and this town in Alabama, and the point that I was trying to make is that for someone listening to the comments that were made, it would be easy to extrapolate from that that there was a fair amount of increase in the salary there because they came in. That's the only point I was trying to make, I didn't really want to make a federal case out of it, I just wanted to say that the first time that I heard those figures it occurred to me that we at lease ought to talk about inflation, that's the only point. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES]For what purpose does Representative Jackson rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES]To ask Representative Jone if he would yield to question. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Does he yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Of course. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Now, Representative Jones, the statistic you cited about, the CPI, that's the Consumer Price Index, is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Mr. Speaker, a follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Does he yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]He does. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Would you agree with me that generally the last decade has been known as the lost decade on wage increases which was what I was talking about? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative, my point was, again, that the present value of that money, looking at it in $2,000, was the fact that the increase that you cited meant that they had basically stayed level. And I just didn't want someone listening to the conversation to say that it went up by $11,000 simple because there was an auto manufacturer there. Now, there are a lot of variables, as I said, my only point was that I didn't want people to misunderstand. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Follow up, Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Do you yield, Representative Jones? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Just one more. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Sure. [SPEAKER CHANGES]He does. [SPEAKER CHANGES]And, just so we're clear, but the number you cited, the 30 some percent, that was not for the average wage increase from 2000 to 2012, is that correct?
My number was calculated by the consumer price index calculator, 2000-2012. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think I still have the floor if I may, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I apologize. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s okay. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Continue. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will be brief. I have to go back and explain my vote like every one of us here does and I understand. I’m not standing here to change anybody’s vote but I do want to say this, coming from a tier one rural county I cannot go back and tell my folks that I greatly expanded a program that only 9% of JDIG funds have gone to rural counties as opposed to 91% to the urban counties and 59% of JDIG funds have gone to just three counties in the state, so as we all vote our own districts, that’s one thing I have to look at. Another thing I’m concerned at is that the Federal Government has not only been successful at pitting states against each other, we’re pitting North Carolina Counties and communities against one another. Let’s be honest. Last summer it was about Western North Carolina. Now it’s Eastern North Carolina, and many of us have talked about it, and yes, when it comes, if it was my county and there were tens of millions of dollars that were going to be coming in, I don’t blame these representatives for doing what they’re doing, I’m just saying that it saddens me to see how areas and communities are being pitted against each other. Representative Catlin spoke about the cost and the question is where does it stop, and I don’t think it does stop. I don’t think it matters what party’s in control. More is always better and we can say this is good, the question is about priorities like another representative said. Is this our best priority? I was gonna say something briefly like Representative Blust said, but, you know, apparently God forbid that North Carolina would be the only state in the region without an automaker, and if that’s the goal, maybe there should’ve been a narrow bill that we establish an automaker fund or something like that. My concern is is what if we don’t land the big fish. What if it’s not the automaker. We’ve established the precedent. We’ve put the money out there and you can guarantee that the money’s gonna be spent somehow if we have the opportunity even if we don’t get that, so that does concern me. Let me just close by saying and I think the die is cast at least as far as the House vote, I truly do hope that this transforms the region like we hear. We hear it’s gonna transform a region. I truly hope that that happens, but it does concern me. In fact, it frightens me when we talk about one region of our state being so dependant on a company, and what happens down the line when the incentive payments run out and the others come calling and the pasture’s greener on the other side and we’ve seen it happen before, what happens to the devastation of that community when it became so dependant on one job? I’m not smart enough to know all the answers, I just have to vote my conscience just like you and I’ll have to vote no. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, the bill that we have before us obviously cites an interest to all of us that our passions because I don’t think there’s a person in this chamber who doesn’t want the people that they serve to be better off as a result of something that we may have done when given the chance to serve in this chamber. I think everybody’s motives are truly to make North Carolina, to make our respective communities, a better place to live. To make the lives of the working families that we serve a little bit easier. There’s been a lot of debate on this bill and the speaker thus far has indulged us to debate this bill, to debate House Bill 998 from last session, to debate various things along the way. I’d like to make a few points, mostly about this bill as per the rules and I may have to respond to a few other things that were said. First of all, the JGROW program has been asked two or three times, and I’m not going to put anybody here on the spot, it’s been asked two or three times, where does the money come from? How much is spent? What happens where? Well, according to our fiscal research staff, that’s been spent on what we’re gonna call the JGROW program, used to be called the JDIG program, it’s $163, 889, 208. That’s a lot of money. Where’d that money come from?
It came from the payroll taxes that were payed by the employers to the state,in the amount of $416,543,040, a nearly four in one return, not a bad investment. Not to mention the individuals that got jobs, that didn't have them, that went to work, that are now able to support their families, who perhaps were not able to do so before. We've heard lots of talk about the refund or the cap on the sales tax that applies to airlines in the state, who pay the state in excess of $2.5 million in sales and use tax for the jet fuel that they buy. There are many of us in this chamber who believe that business inputs shouldn't be taxed, they shouldn't be taxed because those costs are ultimately passed along to the consumer anyway. It also affects the competitive environment of deciding where these businesses will and will not do business. So just to be clear, it has been the philosophy, at least over the last few years of this chamber, that we would look to make it easier to do business in this state. And in the interest of full disclosure, what the airlines would like to have, like most other businesses, is for all the tax to be off the fuel that they buy. This bill simply extends a cap, after, and it applies to all airlines, after they pay into the state $2.5 million dollars, they can stop paying the tax. So. I think it's a little, respectfully, I think it's a little disingenuous to begin to talk about the sales tax of electricity for consumers, and how it's right there in plain sight when in fact we debated it at great length in this chamber that prior to the passage of the tax reform bill last year there were hidden taxes that were called franchise fees that were buried in the power bills that were collected and remitted by the consumer. This is relevant to this debate because there's really only, with money there's really only three things that you can do with it. You can save it, which is a good thing, save, invest it. You can give it away through charity, which this body has made clear, that if you do a charitable act that that money's not subject to tax. Or you can spend it, you can consume it, and it's on the consumption part that we feel the taxation should be based. I don't want, I actually had quite a few points that I'd love to respond to individually but the bottom line is, I am told by our Governor and by our Secretary of Commerce that they need these tools to be able to go out and compete. I'm told by our fiscal staff that the investment or the refund of the taxes paid in to through the J-Dig, J-Growth program has been a positive return for the state. Based on that, I don't see any reason why we'd want to handicap our state, restrict our state's ability to compete on the international stage to give people jobs. I respectfully ask for you to vote green, it's time we move this state forward, it's time that we, there have been great speeches made on both side, I'm certain that they'll be memorialized through the ages, but at some point we've got to get through the talking points that we've all been asked to make and to vote to provide jobs for the people of our state. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman from Richmond, Representative Goodman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's a guy that's an economist at MIT named Steven Levitt, and he's written several books. He wrote Freakonomics and SuperFreakonomics, and he wrote one called Think Like A Freak. And what he's done, he's done all these case studies on just all kinds of things like bizarre baby names and sumo wrestlers and crack
Dealers living with their parents and school teachers. And he has one hypothesis he keeps proving over and over and over again, and that is very simple, and it is that people respond to incentives, and I mean, you can't deny it. We all do it, I got an American Express card in my pocket that pays me 2% rebate on everything I buy and I got another credit card that doesn't. I use the American Express card. I've got a VIC card that I get, so I go to Harris Teeter so I can get that discount. Now, that's a trivial thing, but if I am a CEO or a major corporation looking for a place to put a plant, I'm not going to decide to expand or build a plant just because North Carolina's offering incentives, but I am going to decide where I'm going to put it based on that. We love the dirt in North Carolina better than anywhere else, but again, if I'm a CEO somewhere, I would think the dirt in South Carolina looks just as good, if they're paying me or giving me an incentive to come there and North Carolina's not. Now, we can love and hate incentives all we want to, I know people on the hard right say when we have all these government programs they incentivize people not to work, so clearly the people on the right believe in incentives also, at some level, whether you agree with that or not. But the point I want to make, you can love them, you can hate them, you can say we'd rather not have the businesses here, but you can not say that incentives don't matter because they do. So, I'm asking you, I've been quiet, I know there's been a lot of debate but just listening to all of this and I just wanted to make that point and to say, please vote for this bill, the State of North Carolina needs it, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The lady from Randolph, Representative Hurley is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES]To speak to the bill, please? [SPEAKER CHANGES]You may proceed. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Last Saturday I went to the local mall to get a birthday gift. I went into Bell's and they didn't have what I was looking for so I walked down the halls. Hallmark was moving all their cabinets, they had closed. I walked on down the mall, Radio Shack closed, store closing, walked on down, J.C. Penny's closing. I drove back home, Fred's, one of the local stores, has a lot of stores, they were closing. Aero International is closing because of the ACA bill, because they're taxing medical devices, we're losing 300 jobs because of that. Yes, we have a mega site that's out there, hopefully we'll get somebody, maybe we won't. And you know it probably won't change anybody's vote, but I am a tax payer. I don't have any children in the school system, my taxes are going to pay for schools, but I don't care because we need schools. I don't have anybody in the prisons, but we need to pay for the prisoners because they are in there and they're our wards. There are so many things our tax money goes for, why can't it go to pay for our Commerce Department, to pay to bring people here? And I just hope and pray that you will vote green, we need these and I know you're conscious, but I think you can tell your people, your taxpayer money is going for a good cause, whether it's going to your county, my county, where ever it goes. The J-Dig helped my county, it was one of the one's that did and I'm a Tier 2 county. My Brands came from Minnesota, they opened a cereal company there. They did exactly what they were going to do, they brought, they helped bring jobs to our place and then they increased, they added on to their company and bought another block and brought more jobs, and it has helped our county. But as you see, we're losing others, so please think about your conscience. I know you're going to vote and you're going to have to make this play, but we're all taxpayers and our people, we're here to represent them, and we do need jobs in North Carolina. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman from Rutherford, Representative Hager is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you, Mr. Speaker, to speak to debate the bill. Guys, I don't think most of you know me, that I understand rural areas. I'm a, I have two trucks, which in Rutherford County, that's a great thing, for you all that live in urban areas. I live on a farm, a small farm and I live in a barn. I wasn't raised in a barn but I live in one. Representative Luebke said companies come to North Carolina for the infrastructure. Well guess what? I don't have any infrastructure. I don't have a Charlotte Airport, I don't have metropolitan water systems and sanitary sewer systems and all those things. But yet, in the time that I've been down here, we've had some companies, and you guys know Facebook is in Rutherford County, a billion dollar investment, paying an average of $60,000 a year when the average salary in Rutherford County is
thirty one thousand dollars a year, that matters. You know we have a company called Horse Head that's two hundred and seventy five jobs. New process, never done in the world came to Rutherford county. Not because of the infrastructure because again we don't have it. We have a company called Valley Fine Foods, make all organic pasta only other company you have is in California we're they're east coast location. Diamond Back Tactical and we've got a new project. All of these came because we have incentive dollars not because we had infrastructure. I got a call last night from my county commission chairman. Had a phone call this morning from my economic development chairman, we have a new project. I think it's called Hummingbird, two hundred jobs in Rutherford county. Let me take you guys back and I hope you get tired of hearing this because it means it's ingrained in your head. When I got elected the unemployment rate in Rutherford county was above eighteen percent it is now below eight percent. Still above the average. So two hundred jobs in Rutherford county means a lot. Guess what? We're in competition with four other states. We don't have JDIG dollars this bill would give us the ability to get that two hundred jobs in Rutherford county. It means a lot to me, it means a lot to rural areas. We talked about data centers. Representative Luke you and I talked about this in finance I don't want to rehash this but that is one issue that has worked for rural areas. Data centers from Lanora North Carolina in that area I'd call that golden crescent all the way to Rutherford county provided jobs in excess and sometimes double and triple the county average of yearly salary in the county their in. That means a lot us and it's a psychological issue. When you come into Rutherford county and you see Facebook data center, the first thing you see where an old mill textile mill use to be, that means a lot for my people it's a psychological issue. It may not mean that thing for somebody that lives in Wake county or Durham county or Mecklenberg county because you guys have that we don't. It means a lot for us it means a lot for what's happening in Cleveland county for my folks can work in also. That's been a sixty or seventy percent drop in unemployment. Just because of incentive issues in my district. Guys it means a lot to me you might say only nine or ten percent is going to rural areas but that nine or ten percent has made a dang big bang in Rutherford county. It's made it in Michelle's district and some of the other rural areas. It means a lot. I don't have a lot of people that make six figures. Representative Luke I don't have a lot of six figure professors there. It's just the way it is. So we have people that make thirty thousand dollars. We need more jobs this is the way to do it. Please help the rural areas please vote green. [SPEAKER CHANGE] There's one member left in opposition, one member left in support. I suggest that be the end of it. Representative special of Craven county is recognized to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Which side of the issue am I on? I told myself I'm not going to get up and speak today because I don't think there is anybody that doesn't know where I stand on this. And the bottom line is we're not going to change minds here. But sometimes you just feel like you need to stand up and you need to say it you need to say something. And when representative Blust got up and spoke it was like deja vu. Ten years ago, twelve years ago, eight years ago sittin up in the gallery listening to him say essentially what he said today. Only then he was talking to Democrats who were in charge. And today he is talking about he's talking to Republicans who are in charge and we're looking at doing the same thing, I don't get it. I don't understand what happened. I don't understand were our mentality went, where out energy our vigour to support the people disappeared at. What happened to change us? That we're going to support incentives that most of us said we wouldn't. I've heard comments about, well you know you all can stand on your principle while people starve and don't have jobs. I mean it's ridiculous. I'm not standing on principles ladies and gentleman I'm standing on promises. I'm standing on promises I made when I asked people to vote for me. And I don't understand why we're not all standing on those same promises. I know people in here who promised, who made those promises as they campaigned. And I see them getting ready to vote to support things they promised they wouldn't do. We're hear the heart tugging stories about how we need jobs in North Carolina, it's important and in my district this and in my district that. We get that, that's not the issue. We understand that, the question is, A do the incentives
Work and the evidence says no, and B, is this something that we should be doing with the people’s money and the answer there is no. So I’m gonna end my comments by once again saying please, think about what you’re doing. Remember why we came up here and hit that no button. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Nash, Representative Collins rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let me just say to start off I don’t have talking points. As far as I know there aren’t any cameras, well, there is one camera in here today. I apologize for that. I don’t care whether the people back home read my, I very rarely read a newspaper so I don’t know whether my name’s appearing in them or not. Could care less. I don’t. I simply don’t. I talk to the press as little as possible. I’m winning elections by 10% more every time I run in my district so I’ve told the newspapers back home they can say, you know, when they’ve threatened we’re gonna follow you in such a way based on how you vote on this bill, I say what you’ve been doing’s been working for me. Keep it up. Why change now? Doesn’t matter. So I say that to say this, I don’t have any talking points. I don’t care whether people hear me or not. I respectfully declined an invitation from the speaker’s office this morning to be included in the press release and have a comment from me made on this bill because it doesn’t matter. We’re doing what’s right. I don’t care where the credit goes. Doesn’t make a bit of difference from me. Now, no one is saying, I don’t think among our primary sponsors no one is saying that incentives are the reason or even a primary reason why people are coming to North Carolina. I haven’t said that. I haven’t heard any of my bill sponsors say that. But, and I realize that if you ask CEOs, I’ve looked at studies, I’ve read them, I agree with our Speaker Pro Tempore Stam that if you ask CEOs it’s gonna appear 7th on the list or something like that, but you know, it doesn’t matter. If you’ve got 10 metrics that are on the check off list that you have to meet before you get an interview or before you get a phone call it doesn’t matter if it’s 10th on the list of 10. If you don’t have it, you’re cut before you even get a chance to tell how great and beautiful our state is and all that kind of stuff. Frankly I hope we can continue this program and get companies to come here without ever having to use a dime of the money. You know, I heard somebody say well all the money’s gonna be spent. Well, one of the criticisms I’ve heard of the program is that we don’t spend all the money. We don’t need the money because we don’t spend it. Well, frankly I’d like to have the money available and not spend a dime of it. I hope once we get checked and yeah, this company’s great, and I agree the major reason people are coming here is because of the tax reforms and regulatory reforms I’ve helped you folks in this chamber pass over the last four years. That’s absolutely true, but I want all the metrics to be able to be checked whether we have to use them all or not. So whether the incentive is a primary reason or the last reason on the list doesn’t really make any difference. That’s not the point. I’ve heard people talk about this success of our recruitment in the past, you know, and how great we’ve done. Well, two things about it. Number one, we’ve had this program available. We’re extending a program we’ve had, number two, we are still as someone reminded us today the only plant named, I mean the only state named North Carolina or surrounding state that doesn’t have one of these types of auto manufacturing plants that we’re trying to get. Representative Jones brought out a good fact today. It wasn’t his intention, but he did bring out a fact that we all know if we’ve looked at it. In 2000, the decade from 2000-2010 North Carolina had real wage decline and a real wage decline worse than the nation as a whole and we’re turning that around with policies that we’ve instituted since 2011. If anybody has been coerced to try to change their vote from yesterday, I apologize for that, but again, I haven’t coerced anybody. I don’t think Representative Martin could scare anybody into voting for something. She’s not very intimidating to me when she talks to me about things we disagree with. If there’s been any coercion, I certainly don’t think it’s been on the part of the bill sponsors and if you’ve been coerced to try to change your vote one way or the other, I apologize for whoever did the coercion. We’ve got a lot of charges flying in this chamber today. I’ve heard a lot of saying well, it’s just all about my district, it’s all about my district, it’s all about my district, and I’ve heard that primarily from the folks against this bill because it’s not in their district. I remind you of what I said yesterday. I voted last year for something that would help a district across the state from where I live gladly. I tell people every day in my district when they ask me what are you doing for the district, 99.99% of what is good for the state of North Carolina is good for my district. Those aren’t two separate things, folks. that’s a false dichotomy
Anybody who’s, I agree, if you’re trying to divide us up by district and region and all that kinda thing I don’t have any use for that. I have no use for that whatsoever. I’m glad, I’m happy when anything happens for any district in North Carolina. I rejoice with that, and I’ve showed that consistently with my voting in this chamber. I’ve heard that, you know, I think one of our representatives talked about all the jobs he’s created in this state and I’m very thankful for that and I agree there’s a lot of entrepreneurs who are creating a lot of jobs, great jobs in North Carolina, but I didn’t hear and maybe he didn’t name them all, but I didn’t hear one Tier 1 area in the list of locations that he gave. You know, Folks, I’ve been wanting to say this for a long time and I’m just gonna say it straight from the heart, straight from the gut, cause that’s the only way I know to talk. I used to hear this from the other side of the aisle a lot. This year I’m hearing it from my side of the aisle a lot and I’ll just say this, I’ve heard a lot of emotionally charged words thrown around today and, you know, you know me, I like factual stuff. I’m a numbers geek. I admit that from the start. I always have been, but if you’re reason, if you’re point is that you’re opposite position to me on the bill is because of your moral superiority to me, I will grant you that for every member of this chamber from this day forward. My understanding of the religious practice that I follow teaches me that for me to get anywhere with God, the first thing I have to recognize as the Apostle Paul says is that inside of me there is no good thing. So any of you who feel a moral superiority to me on this bill or any other bill, I grant you you are a morally superior being to me this day and every day of your life, but my district, my area of this state, needs the type of opportunity that we have here, and we can’t guarantee this will make an auto plant come to North Carolina. Several of them are looking, none of them may come, but if they do, if one of them comes, it’ll be good for this entire state, and I would ask you let’s just cut the emotional rhetoric and charging each other as sinners and all this kinda stuff. I will admit that. I’m the chief of sinners in this chamber, so any time you wanna preach that sermon from now on, please just understand that I already know that. You don’t have to tell me that, but I would beg of you for the good of not my district, cause it’s not in my district, for the good of my region of the state and for the good of the state, please vote green on this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, we have a school group visiting us in the gallery from Sardis Elementary in Monroe, NC. If you all would please stand we’d like to welcome you and thank you for being with us today. [applause] For what purpose does the gentleman from Catawba, Representative Adams rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’m not gonna talk theory and I’m not gonna talk about failures of incentives. I’ve seen them fail and I’ve seen the succeed, but I’ll talk about a situation I’m dealing with right now. We’re working on a project in Catawba County that’s not an automobile plant. It’s not a huge project but it’ll generate about 350 jobs. We’ve been working on this thing for a number of months and we really have been in the lead. We’ve got the historic labor force to do the job. We’ve got the community college trained people, the new people to do the jobs. I don’t know how many of you folks have worked in a furniture plant or any kind of manufacturing plant, but I have, and the years that I spent working with 250 people to build a product were some of the best years of my life. It’s a family experience to be in a manufacturing plant and to enjoy the enthusiasm that people have as they earn a living, to send your kids to school, to buy the cars, the bass boats and to take the vacations and you live with those memories, and we’ve lost a lot. I made a promise to my people to create jobs and this is not a perfect piece of legislation. I’ll remind you that what it takes to make this work is leadership. You know who made Charleston, SC what it is today? A guy name Joe Riley. One guy. He did it right. He had a vision and he made it work. What we have to look for, and look at the Charlotte Douglass Airport. Who did that? Cherry Ore. Leadership, that’s what it takes to make these things work. So we could
Quibble over the failures and the successes but I made a promise and I made a promise to create jobs and we should all make that promise and I hope you will press the green button. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute for House Bill 117 on its third reading. So many favoring passage of the bill will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 88 having voted in the affirmative and 29 in the negative the bill is adopted. It is ordered engrossed and sent to the Senate. Senate Bill 20, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senators Rabin, Rucho, Tillman, Senate Bill 20, a bill to be entitled an act to update the reference to the internal revenue code to decouple from certain provisions of the federal tax increase provision act of 2014, to modify the motor fuels tax rate and to make certain reductions within the Department of Transportation for the 2014-2015 fiscal year. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And before we take up debate, the chair would respectfully remind the body that we did fully debate and vote on this bill yesterday. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenberg, Representative Brawley rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and I am proud to point out that today is the 100th anniversary of the North Carolina Department of Transportation. It was on this date in 1915 that the highway commission was created by the act of the General Assembly and took over the management of the nonexistent roads in the state of North Carolina. It was a time when there was not a paved road between Charlotte and Raleigh and today when I go home depending on the weather I may go 85, I may go 49 and 64, I might drop down and take 24, 27 and if it’s really bad I’ll go all the way down US 1 and go in 74 because there will be so many options on how to get home because of the work that’s been done over the last 100 years. We’ve had two debates. One was the talking points. Is this a tax increase. I’ve never said it was a tax increase regardless of what anyone else may claim. It is less of a tax decrease than we would have had. The question we’ve been facing is how do we maintain the ability of DOT to continue to do roads as they have for the last 100 years. 70 of us came together yesterday on a first step to solving our problems on this and I ask that those of you who were close yesterday join us today. Let’s move this bill forward and go to lunch. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from New Hanover, Representative Hamilton rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to send forth an amendment and the clerk will read the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hamilton moves to amend the bill on Page 3, lines 25-29 by deleting the lines. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady from New Hanover has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Very simply, this amendment is similar to the amendment that was run yesterday. It simply decouples the tuition, college tuition, and allows us to offer a college tuition and loan deduction from our state income taxes similar to how we do it at the federal level as well. We’ve done this frequently over the years and this, the bill as it’s presented to you would have eliminated that ability to have the tuition tax credit or tax deduction and by removing that language that will allow the tuition deduction or tax credit to stay in place. I ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenberg, Representative Brawley rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To comment on the lady’s amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This isn’t Charlotte, sir. I do not object to the lady’s amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. Representative Gill, does the lady wish to debate the amendment or is this on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is amendment 3 set forth by Representative Hamilton to the House Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 20. So many favoring the adoption of the amendment will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote.
The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 109 having voted in the affirmative and 3 in the negative. The amendment is adopted. Now back on the bill. For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Gill, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have had [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have had quite a bit of talk in the assembly about increasing or making sure that we have money for infrastructure, I mean transportation infrastructure. And I want to ask the bill sponsor a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Mecklenburg yield to a question from the lady from Wake? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I wondering if you thought about, or did you think about the fact that if we allowed the 37.5 cents to be extended to January, 2013, that we would generate more revenue for this infrastructure versus dropping it to 35 cents? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is correct in what she has said. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guildford, Representative Blust, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, members of the House. And I know it's third reading, and I know we debated yesterday, but there were two very important bills that came up on the same day in a 2:00 session that we also had the state of the judiciary speech. And these are very important bills that again, even more so than the previous bill, go to the very heart of what we claim to be. Let me quote. I can't use placards, but let me quote a mission statement that was adopted on June 15, 2011, that I used to see on a lot of the doors here, including the Speaker's door. Because I think it goes to the heart of exactly what we have claimed as Republicans. Mission statement: To develop a budget for North Carolina which brings spending into line with available revenues by identifying the proper and necessary functions of state government and then prioritizing them. And I just wonder if we're really doing this now. Let me go through a little history. Great cover was taken over time by the former majority party because they had this automatic escalator built into the gas tax. The minority party at that time, which is now the majority party, on a consistent basis said that's bad government. To have, if you need the revenue, someone ought to take responsibility by having to vote for them. That was our clear position. In 2006, every Republican in the General Assembly, maybe it was late 2005, signed a letter demanding a special session, that Governor Easley call a special session to cap the gas tax, and then I think it was 29.9. And one of the big arguments, particularly on the Senate side, was you shouldn't do this to people when they're having to pay higher gas taxes. We shouldn't be profiting on their misery at the same time you don't have to take a vote on it. You can claim I had nothing to do with it. That was a clear position over time. In 2009, the then majority party put a floor under it. There were members that were about almost apoplectic that, oh, you guys, you'll ride it up, but you won't let it go down those few times it goes down. And great stock was put on the explanation that, well, the costs of the roads goes up when the cost of fuel goes up. When it goes down, the price goes down. That was said to people for years and years. Then in 2010 a great thing happened, in my opinion. The Republicans took the majority, partly campaigning on this issue, among others, and campaigning on the fact that we'll
And his revenues very precisely where prioritized when of the government nailed down idea we'd been lighted believe everybody here knows bob Thompson of some fact we've done lightly voted to cap the tax officer was then that 30 time at 32 when a cop is where they looked even the caucus that did not want to and I was to send them pass with that class of 22 am because they have from an table and Mac Office said I'd done here on this issue I'm not quite what we need to vote on this now the senate died in the past one of the senate adjourned in(SPEAKER CHANGES) Wisconsin taken out the high number about you not see the band bomb of lowered a specially when it was clear clearly made to the public think clearly made and used in Intel was debates on this flower and the other chamber and now when a difficult situation I anticipate what that meant the gas tax rose to 37 1/2 in unanticipated doctors I sure didn't think of it was a map and attacks that depict price of gasoline show a drop in outlook looking at a decrease of it is to go back up some on January 1 if nothing's done you get some of the bounce back of bands given what we said when we were willing to cap it before the limelight was an offense to prioritize and this should we do things first like stop the decision because I heard yesterday people signed null you just Gotta have is to build about four thatched room while we taking all of this money 5¢ on the dollar 5¢ on the attacks and diverted to other uses us this is such a quality we needed an adverse Indonesia that's 5¢ right thing and divide it one of the look of some other practices for example I understand that 88,000,000 was spent last year are another th later recent years on paying Duke Energy to relocate its Allies and we widen roads are order of work nobody even looks about is that really the cost would await we just haven't made some of these difficult decisions (SPEAKER CHANGES)and we haven't looked carefully what we said we would and now we're gonna stick it to the public and I'm not trying to use of talking, but unknown that's what we said before and I think we need to keep all word I think we need to look at alternative why use and end of not go down this while there's plenty of time before July 1 to 10 to go up to go on other labs and then I just think we should look to discuss we have is that this also an island on this bus isn't gonna be just about this issue revenues education as example in as many times have debates with the outcome of the opposition where Benson we just have the resources and less than a few banks would have to lay off teachers would have to do this and that move some of the second few prioritized when awesome banks let's do something else to save money this mod is necessary and another stand yesterday to fans this discovery center and dumps collapses sustained in a mistake(SPEAKER CHANGES) and doesn't have an indictment on us already does the first of many of the first five in the German government doesn't use for the most crowded, and to make sure the band's assists as well as well as the band safety, 37 any of the gas tax and a mistaken rallied about this that the first thing that struck down as some of the bridge maintenance if if this doesn't pass and should it was first get in there and start setting some copies on the spending it seems like we did tonight was the first inning but says it plans a certain level of maintenance and you buy a five-sized projects based on the revenue and projected the state this situation is manageable so that I use one chance in a span of them, some politician of the senate intelligence for whatever says the job information version Willingham runs spanning the job has afforded a bill of Fresno with............
To commend my colleagues on the Republican side. I hear a lot about promises that they've made to their constituents, which I've made promises, I'm sure we all have, and we want to keep those promises. And I just want to remind some of my friends over there of one promise that they made, and they made it to Mr. Grover Norquist, and that was not to raise taxes. And I think as a consensus, whether people admit it or not, that this is a tax increase if we vote for this bill. But I just want to remind a few of you that you did sign a pledge to not raise taxes, and I'm just going to call some names. Now, you know who you are, I have a list, but I would say to you that if you made that promise, not to raise taxes, if you vote for this then, of course, you're breaking that promise. So, I'm going to employ to you that you keep your promise to your constituents, I made some promises too. I didn't promise I wasn't going to vote for tax raises because I don't know what happens in the future, so I wouldn't make that promise. I'm sure I'll end up voting for some tax raises at some point, but if I can vote for something that would reduce taxes, then I'll do that. But certainly I'm not going to vote for something that would raise taxes on, especially those people who can least afford it, and we'll talk about our working people, the middle class, and even those people that don't work but they have to drive and they're looking for jobs. So, I ask you, please, those of you who voted for the bill yesterday, think about it, and think about your promise that you made and vote against this bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm in favor of the bill for the reasons I mentioned yesterday, I just wanted to challenge Representative Blust to a little math contest here. He told us that 30 cents, or 29.9 cents was the appropriate level of taxation on gas in 2006, but that's nine years ago. Apply the CPI index or the GDP deflator and I hope Representative Blust will propose we set it at what that would be, which is about 35 or 36 cents a gallon. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Gilford, Representative Blust, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Stam would yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from Gilford? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, did I say it was the appropriate level in 2006, or did I say you signed a letter demanding that the Governor then call a special session to cap it at 29.9? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, both. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Hall, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill, briefly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and a lot of ways for us to approach this. I think we all see it as being a tax increase on those folks who would have to pay more than they would otherwise have to pay if we did not do this. So, we can break out the lipstick and do whatever else we got to do on this, but that's what it is and that's who it's on, and some level of fairness is going to have to prevail. I know it's inconvenient for this to be up at the same time. 117 is up and people don't want that clear comparison to be made, but it will be made. And again, we have, a few of us on this side, but the majority of you have the opportunity to do this the right way. The time is there to get it done if the will is there to get it done, and I would implore you again because we do know the subsequent fight that we're going to have with the Senate over doing this correctly is going to be there. So we have to start from a place that we can defend and be on board, and this, again, ends up being a tax increase against those who can least afford it. So I hope you would consider those folks, they're North Carolinians, too, many of them are in your districts, too, and they want an opportunity, just a shot to try to make it, but they can't carry the weight of this state on their backs every time. We just can't keep transferring the tax burden to them at every turn. Give them a chance. Give your members of your district, you citizens, give
[SPEAKER CHANGES] Give them a chance. Let them have an opportunity to try to make it and not have to carry the burden that's not proportionately theirs. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Dollar rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speaker on the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the House. Just one quick point with respect to Representative Blust earlier. What was happening at the time, and I was here at the time, and I spoke on this issue at the time. What was happening at the time was gas prices were rising dramatically and what we wanted to do was to cap it. We wanted-we didn't want the gas tax to be flying up at the same time the cost of gasoline on consumers was rising. What this bill does, and it's very straightforward. It cuts the current tax by a penny and a half. It cuts the current tax by a penny and a half. And then it creates, unlike what happened previously when we had a ceiling, and that ceiling turned into a floor, and we voted against that, you will remember that. This is a ceiling and a floor. It's a flat rate. It's 36 cents, it's not going to be subject, at least if this bill is enacted, it'll no longer be subject to the fact that prices are going to go up. And what if there's a crisis this afternoon and somebody shoots some more missiles in the Middle East? We're already seeing gas prices go back up, they could go up quite a bit more. We could have a doubling of the price of a barrel of gasoline and we would look pretty good having capped this thing at 36 because it could go well beyond that. But here's the most important thing. The thing that I think is most important about the argument, you have to have the resources. One of the comments, and I'm not picking on my dear friend, Representative Blust, but he talked about, okay what about moving the highway patrol, which is I think the biggest single expense that you could potentially move to the general fund? But if you move the highway patrol, you've got to have a couple of hundred million dollars extra sitting around in the general fund to fund that. We don't have that right now. That's not there. What we-where the situation that we are in today is looking forward in the next few months, what will the money be? What money will we have to do our maintenance and our safety for the citizens that are riding up and down these roadways every day? I mean if you don't want the rumble strips cut, If you don't want the safety cables put up, you don't want the reflectors down the median. If you don't want safety on your roads and highways, you want to cut the maintenance, you want to have more potholes, you want to have more dangerous situations, then vote against this bill. You'll get that. But if you have that concern that many of share in this room, that public safety is one of the most sacred things that we need to hold dear as members of the General Assembly, then I would urge you, I would implore you to vote for this bill and to think about the safety of our families, of our citizens riding up and down these highways and do not put that in peril. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House, is the passage of the House Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 20 on its third reading. So many favoring passage of the bill will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 72 having voted in the affirmative and 42 in the negative, the House Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 20 passes its third reading, and will be returned to the Senate. It is also ordered and ingrossed and will be sent to the Senate by special messenger. And also Senate-House Bill 117 is directed to be sent to the Senate by special messenger. Members, I do want to ask our pages to come forward.
Pages we’d like to thank you for your service this week. If the House will come to order please. We’d like to thank you for your service this week. I hope you’ve had an interesting time. We’ve had some pretty interesting bills this week and glad to have you here. Hope you had an opportunity to learn something, to make some friends and enjoy Raleigh, but thanks again for your visit. I wanna ask my members to also thank you in being here with us this week. [applause] Job well done. You all are relieved for the week. Enjoy your weekend. Representatives Brawley, Saine, Hastings, Martin, Setzer and Szoka are recognized to send forth a committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Brawley, Saine, Hastings, Martin, Setzer, Szoka, Finance Committee Report, House Bill 41 with revenue laws technical changes, favorable to committee substitute, unfavorable to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute, calendar, original bill is placed on the unfavorable calendar. Members for your planning purposes, Monday’s session will be at 7PM. It will be a voting session. I believe Representative Hager, don’t the republicans have the ethics training if you will announce that for Monday. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, they do. Mr. Speaker, I believe we talked about it being from 2-5. Is that correct, Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I believe that’s correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] On Monday and watch your mailbox. You’ll have the location by then. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And is there gonna be a caucus at 6 Mr [??] . [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, thank you, you’re doing a great job reminding me. There will be a caucus at 6 o’clock. Watch your inbox for that also. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You’re forgiven. I realize you have to sit beside Representative Collins and behind Representative Cleveland so I understand it must be difficult over there. For what purpose does the lady from Airdale, Representative Turner rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] A moment of personal privilege please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady may speak to a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate Representative Brawley bringing the 100th anniversary of DOT to our attention, but there are some other special things that happen on this day and I’d like to call your attention to my seat mate’s birthday today. She hasn’t been here 100 years but she’s still worthy of recognition, so happy birthday. [applause] [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Buckham, Representative Fisher rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The democrats will caucus in their usual spot on Monday at 6PM. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from [??], Representative McElraft rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Environment will meet for a special meeting on Tuesday at 1pm. Please watch for the room number. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Yancey, Representative Presnell rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just wanted to point out that my good seatmate here had a birthday on February the 19th and we were in skeleton session, so I just wanted to wish her a happy birthday also. [applause] [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentlemen from Wayne, Representative Bell rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman may speak to a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, members of the House. In keeping with the spirit, my seatmate’s birthday is tomorrow, so please join me in wishing Chuck McGrady a happy birthday tomorrow. [applause] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, do they have numbers that big anymore? For what purpose does the lady from Surrey, Representative Stevens rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, particularly those members of the children, youth and family committee, we’ve been so excited about meeting and we’ve had difficulty trying to get it scheduled this week. It has been scheduled for 15 minutes after session, but we have just decided to cancel that because one of the chairs is gonna have snow in his area within the next hour. It’s gonna be turning to ice, so we want people to get home carefully. We do want to have a bigger meeting next week. We’ll try to take up these same two bills and we’re going to have a special speaker to talk to us about literacy programs. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Representative Johnson rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to speak to a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My seatmate also had a birthday last month. We was unable to get to him and John
What purpose does the lady from Orange, Representative Insko, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Then you may speak for a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, when you drive into Orange County from the West, you may see a highway marker that says Harriet Morehead Berry highway. This is the 100th anniversary of our current transportation. Harriet Morehead Berry was largely responsible for that system. During the war, when she was made head of the transportation board, she traveled across the highway and lobbied businesses and governments to create a highway system to take our crops to the market. So I'd like to just urge you, check out that highway marker when you come into Orange County. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Glazier, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To see if Representative McElraft would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] She is- Does the lady from Carteret yield to the gentleman from Cumberland? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Representative. You had mentioned on Tuesday there's a special meeting for the environment committee. I wonder if you could tell us whether that's to take up a bill or what the purpose of the special meeting is for. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It's an environmental amends bill that has some time-sensitive things in it, and it probably won't take but thirty minutes. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Hall, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and for those of you who are left in the chamber, we have a 2:00 meeting on Monday afternoon. Caucus will have a 2:00 meeting Monday afternoon offsite. Please watch your emails for the location. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the speaker from [INAUDIBLE], Representative Stam of Lake County, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To offer to sing Happy Birthday to Representative Lewis, whose 44th birthday is tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member would be ruled out of order. [APPLAUSE] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further notices and announcements. Sing, then. The old man from Harnett, Representative Lewis, is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, subject to messages from the Senate, re-referral of bills and resolutions and committee appointments. I move the house to now adjourn to reconvene on Monday, March 9th, seven o'clock p.m. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis moves, seconded by Representative Linda Johnson, that the house adjourns subject to receipt of messages from the senate. Re-referral of those resolutions and committee appointments to reconvene Monday, March 9th, at seven o'clock p.m. Those in favor will say aye. Opposed, nay. The ayes have it. We stand adjourned.