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House | May 14, 2013 | Committee Room | Transportation

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With the quorum in attendance, the House Committee on Transportation is now in session. We would like to welcome our pages today, [Hanna VanTreese?] from Rockingham cana-, county. [Kylon Bell?] from Forsyth. [Sadie Forsythe?] from Mecklenburg, and [Caroline Fry?] from Johnston. Welcome to transportation. Our Sergeants at Arms today are Carlton Adams, Martha Parrish, Charles Godwin. The first bill, House Bill 356 will be displaced, we'll go to HB530, Buncombe NPO membership. Representative Ramsey here? The gentleman is recognized to explain the bill. Is there a PCS? [SPEAKER CHANGES] There is. [SPEAKER CHANGES] There is. A Representative Moffitt moves that the PCS be before us, without objection, so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman, members of the committee, this is a, a fairly straightforward bill, it does two basic things. One is relating to the French broad NPO that serves Buncombe County, right now the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners has two appointments to that board. What this bill does is to say that, of the two appointments that the county makes to the NPO, have to reside in different county commissioner districts. There are three county commissioner districts right now. So it would allow the chairman to serve, who was elected at large. And currently the way they're elected, you have two members elected from each district, so there's a total of seven members, and that's to ensure that there's a, uh, different views of the county are represented on the NPO, and I know many of you understand how important the NPO is in determining transportation projects. The second component of this bill, uh, would allow for, uh, signs that were in existence when the, uh, city of Asheville annexed that property on January 1, 2005, um, or later. That if it was a nonconforming sign, that sign could remain in existence. And under existing law that's not the case. They have an amortization period that forces someone to remove a sign that's nonconforming. So those are the two aspects of the bill and would, uh, be willing to certainly answer any questions of any other members may have. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hamilton's recognized for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. It, this could be for the bill sponsor, Representative Ramsey or for staff. In the first addition of the bill, this dealt strictly with NPO organization. And now, in the proposed Committee Substitute, you've got sign ordinance regulations included. Is the, section two of this bill germane to the first part of the bill as it was filed? [SPEAKER CHANGES] You wanna answer or have staff? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. Um, you know, I guess my argument would be, it's germane to the extent, there signs, signs are related to transportation. It's a local bill, it applies to Asheville and Buncombe county. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up, Mr. Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And this is a, this first part of this question's for the bill sponsor. Has the city of Asheville asked for that to be included? And the second part of my question will be for staff. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No, the city of Asheville has, has not asked for this to be included, what they have done, is, when they annex property, they require that existing signs be taken down after a five year period through what they call amortization. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up for staff. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Uh, well, yes for staff. Um, I, I've prepared an amendment that eliminates the, section two of, of this, and that, I'd like to have, um, considered and passed out please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. Has the amendment been--[crosstalk] [SPEAKER CHANGES] --and I'll explain it as it's coming out if, if you want me to. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Um, what's it look like? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Real short. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. Well, let's pass it out first. Representative Iler, did you have a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. Yes sir, Mr. Chairman, I believe it's for the bill sponsor. The NPO, Representative Ramsey. Right behind you. The NPO is a federal designation. So is this in

Forest was their rules and regulations on appears of that there are no restrictions from India and go from the Federal level that this is the bottom county would have the two reports to the board solo home alone a distraught to the growing competition within the firewall good unfamiliar with great importance is wrong and rules and procedures for the first broad river India that currently include, they would buy them along to your soul of the county's most visitors to attend a meeting is intended as the site that would warn the committee we got 10 bills and try to get through today if you don't come back after session tomorrow to simply by about four through the lens and health laws could become a very brief, (SPEAKER CHANGES) Stephens has remained section two, from this mailing Lanes, and he had portion of the bill in fact I had a NNS a letter from a section of our judges don't feel like that's relevant to delve into Pierce said that the CSI says likely not AINI S how they feel about this I said,(SPEAKER CHANGES) and sure that everybody's riding on the MTA portion of women and their NT were created a bank or you get portion which testing can afford to let Michael has taken more problematic piece of the second open a four reps and often to take this chair(SPEAKER CHANGES) I would speak in opposition to the amendments on this particular one of the annexation issues actually in my district and this is regarding a commercial corridor in my district which we prefer chooser for road the property owners clear the bill the sites and in good faith and accordance with county regulations when they were developing the property but cause of the cities of four sensational the property the amortization schedule came into effect along these lines or are signs that are part of the contract between the property owners and the businesses that locate there and amortization goes out of calls a breach of those contracts and the city has pretty much told of the business owners and sells a pickup line for a variance with city staff also told business owners that they would not support a variance and we cannot get a big decision from City Council as to whether not democratic variants so we're left with Alicia was so then take action hero of ours are one to oppose the amendment support the bill with a jelly off request I will the situation you describe the day was reminiscent of service alone if you tell council if it was legal limit was put in place before annexation isn't that the grandfathered nonconforming use them as loud to continue without change on a tool to change and use a property records of the wedges of the money orders and packing national will to it's your last word it's the weekend by wealthy we would be helpful if that was the case because competition were down by Cuban Representative Wilkins that has stood alone representative range legged on progress toward Urals City national conflict from two different if it did come to whistles separate bill Locker will weaken cold shoulder and this is an obvious have to call them looking at the bank of the PCs the list of TN home that's a bit late ,(SPEAKER CHANGES) I really hate surprises among local two years four home the way we have an ability to -follow the lead from the lady we are spending billions alone contemporary shot just the head coach couple to happen this charity is so weak and pacifying out here with the city of national slum loans selections still in the game would allow will win the one and 45 01 a four letter, will support the group's and the penalty and care for two of them in the steel democrat-set aside for just a moment and will go next one of the spill for 85 when a camper displays HP 530 house bill 485 stock or the race and play ice age Representative Linda Johnson ??....

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observation DOT project Representative Queen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Tolson cosponsored with me. I appreciate his support, but this is a bill 920 that I asked the Department of Transportation and the Department of Agriculture to devise a plan to minimize the destruction and damage of farmland due to Department of transportation projects through or adjacent to farm agricultural areas. We've learned that agriculture is a very important part of our economy in North Carolina. We understand that food needs are going to grow 50 percent by 2030 and 100 percent by 2050. North Carolina has lost 6.6 million acres of farmland since 1970 and again we had a little meeting of the tourist folks this morning for breakfast and we realize our brand in North Carolina is natural scenic beauty and our farmlands are not only important to our farm communities but also the beauty of our state this bill just encourages the Department of Transportation to work with the Department of Agriculture on their projects when they go through farm communities it’s particularly important in the mountains where our valleys are narrow and the roads have a high impact to protect our mountains and the alluvial soils that are referenced they are the floodplain souls of the mountain valleys so, that's the intent of the bill agricultural department supports it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Our Representative Graham is recognized for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a motion at the appropriate time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Tolson. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Same thing. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Shepard. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That was going to be what I was going to say. Also I was going to ask if there not any opposition can we go ahead and do the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Alright Representative Ford is recognized for question. ?? question also. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes Mister Chairman. Don’t we already do this and we involve ?? already. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We really, the Department of Transportation doesn't, I mean it’s sort of silos they honestly don't do it. I can give you an example we did the nineteen, I was a senator moving from Madison County to Yancey County, from Marshall to Burnsville we did a beautiful farm Valley had great transportation project which we worked on very much but the farmlands on the sides of the road were just sort of arbitrary some of them got filled in. What happens sometimes in these farm communities particularly in the mountains they bring, because the road is above the floodplain, so they fill in the alluvial farmland beside it and bring it up to road level then it becomes sort of strip development in the middle of your farm community. It sort of changes the whole feel of the community so, the community was for it, but there was no real strategy so we look at these farmlands as valuable in this plan. Hopefully they'll take them seriously and work together, the department agriculture, which has a good farmland preservation program, but it's not coordinated with the department of agriculture, with the department of transportation and their projects. This asks them to develop a strategy to do just that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow-up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Will this coincide with what's already going on or will this farther delay transportation projects? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think because we asked them to work together I think they will both take the values of each department work together so that is a win-win for transportation and agriculture. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Wilkins was yours a question or motion? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I'm not opposed to the concept, but I'm trying to understand exactly what we’re talking about because on line eleven subsection one says provide for the mitigation of farmland destroyed. What we all understand what has happened with wetlands when the highway comes through a new story wetlands then they got to go out and I got a buy more wetlands or they got to turn dryland into a wetlands to mitigate it. So if you destroy an acre of farmland and you've got to go out and buy another acre or create an acre of farmland somewhere and there’s got to be a

The cost involved beyond the fiscal and we'd are no physical move again because the system instructed to develop a plan after a plan has been developed and I think that they could be used all range of strategies that have them from physical consequences and so forth and so this is it's not really a study building is to devise a plan in the kickoff to plan a becomes back to the general assembly in the short session when a patient must follow up with a call now mean, we have a decision makes we would go down this road that mitigating wetlands as being very expensive and on mitigating farmland will be equally expects represent important as chairman of like to address the farm bill sponsored for a possible amendments on CD beer second men and women be online 1992 words and the word program but they were to be four encouraged them to tell how long or copy that first day of hiking down 30 seconds into the right atmosphere that can else will be the impact of the act that perry's recognized explain the impact of human action as chairman of the amendment one of them are required for concurrence from a legislative committees listed in section two of two the plan was submitted apartments are some armor all's they should not represent 45 discussion on the amendment arts and the bombarded by this Chairman Adam question from a bill sponsored us what it says here the play and two pairs of the city of department of agriculture and consumer services to create a plan to preserve indicate that the farmland missile bombs ( SPEAKER CHANGES) Mr. Perot construction in that plan is going to include of a line item in the bid process system and balls still Franciscan and determine the nature and experience to construction resentment well, ADP possibly could, it did it does put a value on preserving the farm land adjacent to the projects and the audio policy thing we do have that would place a value on preservation of old assets could, in code calls but I think they're reasonable Olmos and should mention would be normally done in the normal process , a lot written by oil but not on the amendment two five, resentful that only men speak only members chairman of the purchase them is simply too, you can't do what we're trying to cross the agency said Valium in the same system report by which a person of the delegates at the word report in what I'm trying to do is if get this money as the fisher responsibility body to the citizens at 557 are the directions point, (SPEAKER CHANGES) I think this is a replay of the command of strength and stability of a support are the discussion by telling them to millions by the amendments and four are represented/ opposed the amendment is agreed to on how the bill was amended representative dollar research collection questions on the legal and from via the public to hear from the Argentine the department will in the early in the potential impacts of all items shown of the state's requirements sell to form the items in section 11 section 12 would that be the way potentially be the ??..........

No grounds for environmental litigation nominee in the future with whether not a project that is actually complying with those provisions of the border from the department, which sell off some are today for those few of the SMS is recognized of the message that the chief engineer would be a key part of page one department any concerns with study and work and where of all the agencies to look at how we treat farmland our concern is with definition of love for my users and the farmers out of solo category of former angel windows, and also issued a mitigation all right now we have in store?? (SPEAKER CHANGES) caramel and lots of different areas we made a full offer from the nature and so we'll be concerned shortly if a person be some additional part of the calls to the only option one that that follow question of when unable to borrow it displaces bill to version of the recording and posed as to Mexico or together two taken aggressive issue on we're going to HP's 5 March in the 458, the scan the legislation Representative Michael rath you have a PC as it now has 10 fils comparable fours and as Chairman Stephen ESEMS is, he has taken several committees that passing SMS Abele SCI counties M preferred legislation for this year and section two is a section that deals with transportation possibilities section two, increases the informal be in camp for local department of transportation projects from 1.2000000 to 2.5 million ,(SPEAKER CHANGES) the trek & MUCL and reasonable doubt be in CBOT District engineers increased flexibility, taking us smaller projects that is the turnabout lane said I intersections ADM guardrails of UCD and TS and Alan Jackson to the stains an IMS for your support and a section of the deal questions from bill sponsored the announcer motion astrodome and exited the straw hat to concentrate itself are don't sign your name correctly everybody was crying at about 1-88 on sorry about this chimneys are non-college as this summer for me also an all rights should note that it was my stupidity by your actions, led by the fed chairman is recognized. Those are the members and some of the confusion about the National Power for sure, they have lined the walls of grayer, on a motion motors chairman for approval of the race committee session two Russian house bill 458 cell referral to judiciary and judiciary and that such a Service Centers or judiciary the term of a Federal Commission of a student to the floor can sound like a rate we have to offer a reward for dollhouse bill for 58 with reporting to the four other discussion from a bite all in favor say I'm opposed by Jim Carrey's our enlightened house bill 348 public safety technology state writer why they represent a fair call them in the attack by we have an amendment to be coming out again delayed start explaining your bill clinton's and with human events of the women like bill first and on his original request on through the two circulation on to allow the cause of the increasing use of technology ??.....

In our public safety and emergency services that are in times that the right-of-way of the roads are in Beneficial Ave., Public Safety technology and such as cameras and such a result of positive viruses that might help you not only in law enforcement but also in our scratch movement so forth is simply a bill that would allow you to enter into agreements with municipalities counties and other governmental entities use an encroachment upon the right-of-way when redesignated as the highway system are come back to that just a moment and parliament to approve agreements between utilities and municipalities counties north of entities will use an encroachment upon utility easements usually write about our transportation to an outcome I missed her and I can tell much recognize from our arts and forth an amendment to the inevitable for darkly and love the this would simply add to language that you have there the end of each of those two Senate 44 and 45 in the first one it was at the Mandarin for installation and use of law enforcement are suppression service emergency medical response service and related Public Safety technology and it was requested that that meeting there down to public safety to determine what actually cost to Public Safety Leslie that language and in the second part amendment purposes of installing Public Safety technology are those of the Internet standards and I would ask that you support him discretion to make all your mamma and Mr. Parsons an amendment sponsor the define Public Safety technology parties that would be any kind all our new technology like Ambrose or are watching devices or observation device and anything that might be used to help move traffic through to control lights and so forth so as it's around a while arranging term is genuinely wrong, so you're talking about potentially speed cameras are any current detection devised by anything to regulate and monitor on and couldn't really decide where people go and how it one year and could be there but is primarily interested in something that would help the investigation of activities by law enforcement unlike some of our recent translation of a surety value will know all enforcement hires as study what we know certain areas of the hour and Wilkins but thanks to Linda Faircloth we also talking about enforcement following. In the current edit our present for W the we already do some of this is solely photographed my slice only great easy passes in our half-hour semi-prices are certainly not totally new technology is gone and would allow for the opportunity to reach an agreement with municipalities for a state and going through the city is not again do it own flavor that Sen. can only run discussion of whether you're off your question from the cheer of this include cameras that are checking license plates and looking up our license points and drivers on all cars passing and included a course to be empty in the A discussion for the debate okay so we have our alternate site for a representative Faircloth to house Bill 348 serious regular members

Say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Opposed. Motion carries, the bill as amended is now before us. Further discussion or debate on the bill? Is there a motion? Representative Bumgardner. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman, I do have one more question about this, this whole thing, this is, this bill is the kind of bill that seems innocuous on the surface, but really this is a bill that enables, that really makes it easier for, for Big Brother to watch you everywhere and everything you do. And I have an issue with that. [inaudible] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir, you may respond. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. Just a brief response. We're talking now about public highways, state roads. We're not talking about private property or anything. We're also talking about the ability of DOT to set out what their agreement is with the technology that's going in the right of way. So it's pretty well controlled. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Can I follow up on that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] [James?] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The thing is, DOT is going to negotiate with a private company that they're contracting with and the average person's gonna have no idea what they're really negotiating and what they're really deciding. [inaudible] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No, this is the agreement between a municipality or a county and DOT. It's not with private entities. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Boles. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A question for, probably staff. What is the status of the red light cameras? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Perry? Or Ms. Carter? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The only ones that I'm aware of that are still operating are in the city of Raleigh. I don't believe those have been found to be unlawful at city DOT. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, and so this, and for the bill sponsor? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir? [SPEAKER CHANGES] So this could be that, a munic-, the DOT in the municipalities could agree on red light cameras on state roads. [SPEAKER CHANGES] They, it would, they could do it if they chose to, it would be up to them, in the conditioins of the agreement each side would have to agree mutually. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Carnan. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. The, this bill is just simply as he's, as Representative Faircloth has said, it's allowing the department to enter into these agreements if they so choose. They don't have to. If cities come to them and they wanna do this and they feel there's a problem there they don't have to do it. Is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. At the time, do you have a motion yet? [SPEAKER CHANGES] We do not have a motion but... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, well I wanna understand what we're doing here, and I'll address this to staff. Before if a municipality wanted the red light cameras they had to come here and get the legislation. Would this allow any municipality to establish the red light cameras without coming to the General Assembly for specific legislation? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No, it does not expand the authority for red light cameras. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I was just gonna comment. We had red light cameras on our, some of our state maintained roads in Cary, and, I mean, the things are as popular as the plague. And everybody's going away from them, and it's an issue that's taking care of itself. We've gotten rid of them in Cary. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. Further discussion, further debate? Representative Carney is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. I'm chuckling at the, "popular as the plague." You're right. I move for a favorable report for House Bill 348. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As amended and report to the fore... [SPEAKER CHANGES] ...As amended... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Roll into a new PCS. As many as favor the motion say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Opposed, no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In the opinion of the chair the ayes appears to have it. The ayes do have it. Representative Moffitt, is 5:30 ready to come back before us? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is so Mr. Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All right Mr-, House Bill 530 is before us. We were debating the amendment offered by Representative Hamilton. But Representative Moffitt is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chair, the bill sponsors have heard the committee, we would recommend adoption of the Hamilton Amendment, which strips out section two and keeps this bill related only to the MPO. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay, further discussion, further debate on the amendment? As many as favor the amendment signify

SA and the opposed the amendment is scary the bills before says amended, I had Representative Corey was lasting two , 12-foot back to the first to 530, Galina Rogers was taken to cater to the bill's sponsor for disrupting its sense of good they can, and ready to give a favorable to the theory that a week, motion for a favorable report: house bill 530 as amended are the discussion for the bank all in favor say I oppose nine basic areas will be reported to the four house bill 920 is ready to come back to four's pages two, up to shake the personnel from our local sponsors of a single some dignity and the wall and Ron Carey for joining us with the nine deputy chief mans talking about all what this bill would do again this bill is to pass the department of transportation department culture to develop the body of a program that doesn't respond into the implementation bill they will come back to what spoke with are , to report full concurrence on what that would be we think it would be a general letter of understanding kind of thing what options or, to move forward and they got their work in their planning in their deliberations in the end in Rome will all come up with fat, playing so well (SPEAKER CHANGES) I think it's from the department of banking and agriculture in the apartment education OK with it so out of the committee as a compromise like the jurors are not have a with the bill as a man but the reps $100 and four are again that the unneeded as a potential the core of the cost of an old hand five farmland for example if you can define its lack of farmland only to be active or are winning jacket 30 years ago which followed L yet committed for the a min is a lot of questions but that this was discussed the department to department to be working together a plan and they would obviously have to bring the use of the proposals and cost estimates by conventional someone for offer much more to get considerations so as it stands on the day a problem with the assistance would represent or that she had a memo that was consultation on the swings are callable through the day the way with the weekend by Davis and that's proved so what is before us now on representative for price motion I'm sorry to your spread of gambling question for staff alone or moved from an as (SPEAKER CHANGES) I read the bill which says that the two department shall jointly devise a plan to minimize description of damage or one on and it says the program which additions to plan shall provide for mitigation of the farmland four impact and place the highest priority on preservation of forming an alluvial 4 hours where is languishing here that says that god is not an affect on an obligation on these departments searching only two their reporting in the words 400 clients don't suggest what happens if we don't concur in the same thing here that says any if you got confirmed in this is what happens on Friday understand how this is a working whether we're basically pruning from require much clearly employees for the mitigation and the development of this plan in my mind seeing but were believable and certicom leaders to be a weather by a committee of the legislature is going too concur in the planning and symphonies for deletion of IBM's sleigh or to 49 what if we do what are the two until we can call our county falk's on that can help clarify my confusion that you can ??.......

You wish ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Address it to staff if they want to. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. Rep Blackwell, I would say in reading it the lack of the word implement would indicate that it is merely to device the plan not to implement it or put it into place, and that would be strengthened by the provisions of section two. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So you’re comfortable that Representative Torbett’s amendment about for concurrence would name that nothing would go into effect or be binding except the development of some sort of plan unless the committee of the legislature said we agree. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do not see a mandate to the department to implement this plan, just to devise it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Assuming the committee concurs, it doesn’t have to come back to the legislature, it would go into effect at that point? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would not interpret it that way. I would think that further action would have to be taken by the general assembly to implement the plan. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Terry, I believe I had you from earlier to speak on this same bill, didn’t I? And Shepard and Starnes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Fine. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Will concur. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just want to speak cautious with this. I think this is a very expensive bill. If you’re going to direct the transportation to go ahead and devise the plan and make the preparations to do this, then you had better be willing to absorb the cost when they come back with the plan. But, look at on line 11, number 1. Provide for the mitigation for farmland destroyed. When you widen the road, when you improve a road, and you destroy an acre of farm land, to mitigate that they have either to go out and buy another acre of land or create another acre of farmland. You restore basically the same condition that it was. It’s just like your wetlands. And that can be very expensive. Then look on line 13, number 2. Place the highest priority on the preservation of farmland. So you’re going to improve a road, or make a road, and it’s coming through a farm. So now, you’ve got to reroute that highway to go around that farmland because they are instructed that they’ve got to preserve it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes. I hate to interrupt you but we are out of time. So we’ll not be able to vote this bill today. Thank you committee for your attention. We are adjourned. Representative Carney, we will correct the record. It was Representative Graham that offered to make the motion, not you. I had my list confused. I apologize.