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Senate | May 29, 2013 | Committee Room | Education

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morning, morning morning. morning, members, morning guests. If the members will have their seats we’ll get started here in a moment. The Sergeant at arms today are Ashley Mickens, Steve Wilson, Ed Kessler All-American Ed Kessler, Betty Fricher. Glad to have you with us today. You're doing a good job always for us. And our pages today which sent Senator Soucek can read of course he’s got an education, Marcus Alexander, ?? Stanley, Senator Curtis, ?? Lindsey from Reedsville, Senator Berger, Gabriel Gordon, Somerville, Senator Berger, Antoinette Dyer, Raleigh, Senator Nesbitt, Jacob Burnett, ?? Senator Davis, Justin Scott, Raleigh, Senator Jenkins, Ariel Harris ??, Senator Berger. Thank you all. I hope you have a good week and learn a lot. We're going to go right into the agenda today; just briefly; we’ll tell you the order that we’re going to take these. We’re going to do House bill 317 improve education of children who are deaf person first and ask Representative Blackwell and then we're going to take House bill 591 reporting and terms for our longitudinal data that is Representative Blackwell also. I believe he’s got bills on other committees so it means you’re getting things done. Representative Blackwell. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mister Chairman, I appreciate the committee letting us come here, I believe you all may have already heard this bill that was Senator Daniel and Senator Newton introduce essentially the same bill over. Mister Chairman I think there may be as one small technical amendment that needs to be offered and I think Senator Daniel is doing that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Daniel. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Chairman I’d like to send forth a technical amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth your amendment and if we have it and members have it. I believe they’re getting ready to get it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] They’re changing an and to an or where it says who was deaf or hard of hearing instead of and hard of hearing. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The amendment is before you, and if you would explain the amendment Representative Blackwell, or Senator Daniel who offers the amendment. Senator Daniel. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Chairman I think it just makes a technical correction and changes the word and to the word or on his page two, line twenty seven. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So it’s merely technical. I have a motion before you. Motion, motion. All in favor aye. Motion passed. Now the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Chairman, I want also at knowledge Representative Martin and Representative Farmer Butterfield and Representative Holloway. He's not here with us for their support on this. I don't want to take the committee 's time since you have already been over this bill before I'll just say quickly that this has been a bill that we have worked on with Senator Newton and Senator Daniel and members on the house side and a lot of the interested parties over more than one session. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And then if you like what we have a motion I wouldn’t talk myself out of it if I were you. Senator Daniel moved for a favorable report. Discussion? All in favor aye. Any opposed. Passes. Thank you. Who wants to handle that on the floor? Senator Daniel. Alright we’re going to hear your other bill because I know you’ve got to go and then Representative Hurley will be following you. She's up on deck on there. Go ahead sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Chairman this is a basically a fix for a bill that we passed last time. The concept of the bill last time was to set up board that could try to effectively force different state agencies to work together and effectively sharing data that would allow the General Assembly simply to make better judgments over time about what kind of programs, particularly in education were working in terms of student outcomes and we did this as a result for recommendation of the joint committee that we had on efficiencies in state government that Senator Hise worked on with me as co-chair. We did the bill last time, but in the bill last time we had a house and senate members serving on the board after the bill was passed we were advised that there was a constitutional

Issue that because the board had the ability to make rules, that that violated the principle of separation of powers between the executive and the legislative branch. This changes to eliminate the House and Senate members and creates new appointees. It further changes the dates and provides for frequent reporting to the legislature so that we can remain involved in sort of righting hurt on this problem, and it designates state’s Chief Information Officer is Chair of the Board rather than leaving it open for them to elect whomever they choose. I’d be glad to answer any questions. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Very good. You’ve heard the bill. Questions from members. I have a motion for a favorable report from my good Senator from Durham, Senator Woodard. Any discussion? Motion. All in favor, aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any opposed? You want to handle that one on the floor, somebody? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Daniel maybe, or Senator Hise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let Senator Daniel have it. Hise has got to where he talks more. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Senator Stein, I believe you would have written that bill yourself, you could have thought of the words to it. That’s a good one. But Representative Hurley, my gal from Randolph, I’m going to tell this. She’s older than I am, folks, and that defies all logic. I don’t understand it. She don’t look it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. That is the truth. He did tell the truth. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hurley, now we’ve heard this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So we don’t need anything but your little explanation because I know you’ve got another bill to run. Go. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. This bill you have heard three times I think, and I ran it because of fourth-graders who printed their letters, thank you notes to me, and I would appreciate your support on it, and it also has the students to write cursive, learn to write cursive between kindergarten and the fifth grade, and also to memorize the multiplication tables, and Representative Warren is on the bill with me along with Representative Shepard. I’d appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have questions. I saw Senator Allran first, then Senator Cook. Senator Allran. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I’d like to move for a favorable report. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You know that bill well; you wrote one just like it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Very true. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Cook. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He beat me to it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He wanted to make a motion and so we’ve got a motion for a favorable report from Senator Allran and Senator Cook. Discussion? All in favor, aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any opposed? Passes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Who wanted to handle that on the floor? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Allran or you. Either one. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Allran. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Next we’re going to call House Bill 537, Representative Steinburg. This is Edenton-Chowan School Board Terms and it is not a local bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Good morning, ladies and gentleman. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think this bill is pretty self-explanatory. We are changing the… proposing to change the school board terms from six years, which they currently are, to four years. There are I think three school districts in this state that continue to have six year terms, so we’re just trying to get in compliance with everyone else. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr…. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Saw Senator Cook, Senator Apodaca. Questions or motions? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I move that we vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Move for a favorable report? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Bryant, I’m guessing you’re not moving for a favorable report. You want to speak. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just wanted to ask a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Alright. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just wanted to know what the position is of the local school board members or get some local feedback. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure, Senator Bryant. I’m sorry, Mr. Chairman; I should have gone to you first. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s alright. Proceed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Bryant, the school board is opposed to this; the board of commissioners are for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Have a motion for a favorable report. Discussion? All in favor, aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Any opposed? Passes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate is amazing. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative, who do you want to handle that bill? You want someone to handle that bill for you? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. Mr. Cook. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Cook. Senator Cook. Senator Cook it is. Excuse me, that bill will be re-referred to State and Local Government, so it’s got another stop to make. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Senator. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I believe we’re down to House Bill 903, UNC

community college credit transfers. Representative Johnson, Representative Starnes, are either one of them here? In their absence, I'll tell you what this bill does. Representative Starnes is here, I'll let him tell you. I already had my version ready. We'll hear Representative Starnes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, ??. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think you're right. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the committee. I'm the late Edgar Starnes, I'm glad to be here. Let's see. You're on House Bill 903, is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, we are. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 903 is U.N.C. and community college credit transfers, is a bill to require the University of North Carolina system to accept college credit transfers in from the community college system. This transfering of credits is known as the comprehensive articulation agreement, and this bill was first passed in 1995 by former representative Robert Grady. 18 years later, very little progress has been made in getting the University system to accept community college credits. Currently, English is the only subject universally accepted in the University system. The original intent of this legislation was to allow students to take core subjects such as English, math, science, or history, at the community college and then have these subjects transfered to the university of their choice. Sadly, this has not happened. Students enrolled in courses at our community colleges, they enroll with the expectation that these credits will transfer. Some U.N.C. institutions are accepting these credits, while others are not, and we need this articulation agreement to be in force so that community college credits are universally accepted. This bill requires a biannual review of the comprehensive articulation agreement, with a progress report to be made to the Joint Legislative Oversight Committee by November of each year. And Mr. Chairman, I think it's a pretty straightforward bill, and I urge its adoption. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, and see if we have any questions from a member. Senator Pate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Representative Starnes, you and I were both young pups when this originally came up under Representative Grady's work, and hard work, in the Education Committee in the House. I recall that. What is the problem? Why can't the University accept what is the law? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, I will let the universities speak for themselves, but what we all recognize, that a college education has become very expensive, and in many instances it's not even affordable to the average families in North Carolina. Our community colleges strive to develop quality courses and offer students an opportunity to have an affordable education. So we tell these students, well, you can go to the community college, and you can take your basic requirements. It might be English, history, a math, or a science. And they take these classes with the expectation that their credits will then transfer to the university, where they can work on their degree. What's happening is, a lot of times these credits are transferring, but it's as an elective. And then they're required to take the history again, or the science, or the math, whatever. English is the only subject that is universally accepted. And it's not fair to the students and the community college system, and we just want this articulation agreement to be so that if you take a science at the community college or a math at the community college, it's accepted in the University system. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Representative Starnes. Senator Apodaca, and then Senator Stein. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chairman, do we have anybody here from the University system that could give us a little explanation of what's happening here? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I met with them this morning, and I said, what's the problem? And the problem is they've just been dragging their feet a little bit and not...it's a territorial situation that we find with universities a lot of times, and I think they realize now we're serious, and that they're going to go ahead and coordinate well. And I hope

This log jams broken, because if they come before the oversight committee they're going to get pointed questions with the camera on them about why you're not taking these college credits as credits for the course and not some elected junk. I think that's going to be solved. I did meet with them this morning. [SPEAKER CHANGES]And it sounded like they enjoyed their meeting. With that being said, I'll move for a favorable report. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Well, okay, but I'll hold that just for a minute. I see Senator Stein and then Senator Tarte. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Mr. Chairman. My experience in Wake County is that Wake-Tech has a transfer program that feeds into NC State, where NC State gives full respect and credit to the academic programs that feed into the university system, so I was hoping if there were, I don't know Mr. Chairman, if there are members from the college system, or university system who can speak for a minute and give us a little background, because from my experience, it isn't so. I'm not saying it isn't so in other parts of the state, or with other institutions, I'd just like a little more background. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Well, it's sold to the degree that they're working well with NC State, but we've got 16, or 17 of these great universities, and we've got many community colleges, 58, and they're not working together everywhere. RCC is working well with one, UNC-G, and most of its stuff is transferring fine, but they've got so many pockets of resistance, that this needs to be uniformly done. Though it's working well in Wake, and in Randolph, not everywhere. Senator Rabin. [SPEAKER CHANGES]I'm trying to understand if there's a standards issue. Nobody's really said it, just plain out like that. Is there a standards issue that isn't being met? Is there something written, or is it really just foot dragging and lack of cooperation? If it's a standards issue, that's a bigger issue than just they're not doing their job. The expectation of the student is nice to consider, but if there's a standards problem, then we've got to figure out how to fix that before we just say it's okay to articulate this stuff, in my opinion. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Senator, I don't believe that's the problem. Senator Bryan. [SPEAKER CHANGES]I just wanted to mention that one of the university's liaison came by my office this morning, and they made it very clear that they do not have any opposition to this, and it is something that does need to be worked on. That is their position. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The position at the top has always been, but I want that disseminated down to the people that are actually sitting in the Registrar's office. I do think Sharon Morrisay is here from the community colleges, if you want to comment, Dr. Morrisay. And Senator Tarte, I'll come back to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Senator. And thank you for considering this bill. I am happy to report that the community college system, and the university system are working collaboratively right now to strengthen the articuation agreement that was developed 18 years ago, as Representative Starnes mentioned. It has not worked well over those 18 years, primarily because the basic premise of the articulation agreement is that if a student finishes 44 hours of what we call the generic core, then all of those courses will transfer to fulfill general education credit at the university. The problem is that only 13% of our students finish the general education core, hence when they go to the university, their courses are articulated on a course by course basis, and often they receive elective credit, instead of course credit, for science, or math, or whatever the discipline is. So, we are making great progress in strengthening the articulation agreement. The community college trustees association, and president's association full support this bill. UNC's general administration does not oppose the bill, and they're working very collaboratively with us. We like the bill because it holds us accountable. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you very much DR. Morrisay. We have, Senator Tarte, are you happy with this? We have a motion from Senator Apodaca, all in favor of the discussion of the motion? Hearing none, all in favor, aye? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Any opposed? No? The ayes have it, Senator Starnes, Representative Star, I want you to realize we did, how many House Bills today? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. How many bill you got holding up over there in education? [SPEAKER CHANGES]They've all been released. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Send the message, Thank you. we love you. I believe that does it for today folks, thank you.