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House | April 10, 2013 | Committee Room | House Elections Part 1

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If I could have your attention please, chair would like to welcome all of our guests today. The members of our committee will be arriving in a very short time as we have just adjourned on the house floor. Take care of a little housekeeping prior to the beginning of the receipt of the testimony. First of all, out these doors directly in front of the chair guests may find both restrooms and also a water-fountain. We also have water and coffee in the rear of the room. Chair understands that there are also guests present in room 544 which is one floor down from here and I extent them welcome as well. Each speaker received a number as they signed-in. Speakers will be called in groups of ten to que up along the white side of the room. When the Sergeant at Arms holds up a sign then the range of ten including your number please move to join that line. Speakers who are not in line when called will be moved to the back or the end of the list. If you are seated in room 544, the Sergeant at Arms in that room will also indicate when a new group of ten is being called so that you can move up to room 643 at that time. Because seating is limited, after speaking if seating is no longer available in this room or if you would like to make room for other individuals you may also listen to this public hearing in room 544, one floor directly below this room. The elevators to get to that floor, again, are directly out this door and on the chair's right. Each speaker may speak for up to three minutes. Sergeant at Arms is directed to keep time and we will hold up signs indicating when your time has nearly expired and your time has expired. In order to accommodate the maximum number of speakers, the audience is respectfully requested to refrain from applause or other commentary on speaker remarks. Each speaker and members of the audience are asked to maintain order and civility in presentation of their remarks. Individuals who disrupt will be escorted from the room by the Sergeant at Arms staff. The chair would like to point out that the testimony that is presented today is being transcribed by a licensed court reporter. This transcription will be made available to all people who request it and we will put a link to the committee website to help facilitate that. With that I know that you are here to offer you input and advise on this important subject and the chair regrets that we are delayed for only a few moments while the members make their way from the house floor. So with that the chair would ask for everyone to just please remain in their seats and we will begin in just a moment. [Speaker Changes] Little bit dramatic but some people believe that being as careless about who is buying a weapon is as dangerous as being careless about who is casting a vote. I happen to be one of those people. Thank you. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Ma'am. Speaker number three did not sign-up. Speaker number four, Maria Gay, Maria Gay, you have the floor Ma'am.

Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Thank you for this opportunity to speak to this committee. My name is Maria Gaither (??) and I am a certified public accountant with over 24 years of experience, including 10 years as an auditor. As an auditor with Deloitte and Touche, I learned to evaluate internal controls, identify areas of risk and propose solutions to mitigate risk. Our current election laws create areas of risk for the potential for voter fraud. I'll give you an example. I can go to any polling location in my county during early voting, provide the names and addresses of my neighbors, obtain a ballot in their names, and vote. This would be illegal, but the chance of being caught are slim. An affective way to mitigate that risk is to require a valid photo ID issued by the government such as a North Carolina drivers license, other cards issued by the DMV for non drivers, a US Military ID, or a US passport. In 2012, I served as a poll observer for the primary general elections. I observed people of all ages and races come to the polls to cast a ballot. Many of them had their driver's license in hand even though it was not required. One of the early voting sites I observed on multiple days was the Talley Student Center at NC State University. Here I saw hundreds of students go through the voting process and most students had their ID in hand. If a student can successfully navigate the college application process, I have confidence that they can obtain a valid North Carolina driver's license. The proposed bill provides funding for a driver's license for those who qualify for financial assistance. The proposed bill allows for some college IDs to be used in leiue of a driver's license which should be removed from the bill along with the employee identification card. An employee identification card and a college ID do not mitigate risk because voters address is not included. I have my employee ID, it has my name and a picture, doesn't say where I live and it can be fraudulently prepared in some cases. An expired driver's license should be permitted to senior citizens but not all ages because the DMV had weak internal controls in the past for issuing the driver's license. As a reminder, nobody can buy certain types of over the counter medication, such as Sudafed, without a driver's license, military ID, or passport. Certain prescription medications, for example many pain medications, have the same requirements. You can not buy these medications with a college or employee ID. I'm sure people of all ages, races, incomes, and party affiliations have the need for regulated medications, so why haven't we heard about the hardships caused by the strict photo ID requirements for those important purchases? The proposed bill has been watered down from the bill passed in the previous session. Now is not the time to go wobbly. Now is the time to do the right thing, to strengthen the integrity of our voting process in North Carolina, make the proper additions to remove the employee and college ID cards and pass the bill. Thank you sir. Speaker 2: The chair thanks you ma'am. Speaker number 5 did not sign in. Speaker number 6, Mr. Hardley. You have the floor, sir, for time not to exceed 3 minutes. Speaker 3: Thank you for allowing me to speak today. My name is Herb Hardley (??). I'm from Sims, North Carolina in Wilson county. A couple of weeks ago I went in to a Starbucks coffee shop to buy a gift card for my daughter's birthday. I didn't have any cash with me so I used my credit card. The waitress there asked me for my photo ID before she would ring that up. Consider some of the things we require a photo ID for: applying for a job, driving, buying a car, registering your car, applying for medicare and medicaid, applying for social security, bank transactions of all kinds, boarding an airplane, going to a doctor's office or a hospital, even here in North Carolina, if you want to hunt or fish, you have to show your ID to get your license, buying and selling scrap copper, cigarettes, and of course using your credit card. The list goes on but I think you get the point. Every citizen of North Carolina of legal age has or can get a North Carolina issued ID, it's called a driver's license. Those who do not have a license, can with proper identification, apply for one from the North Carolina DMV and it doesn't cost much. Across the country and in North Carolina, voter fraud, in all its various forms, has grown with every single election cycle and photo ID is the answer. Photo ID can prevent and deter impersonation fraud at the polls, voting under fictitious voter registrations, double voting by individuals and voting by illegal aliens. At the last election cycle in 2012, I voted and now

One person in the polling place knew who I was or asked me to prove who I was. That should simply not be the case. I've seen statistics that show the majority of people in this country including many Hispanics and minority groups support voter ID laws. I'm not going to bore you with a bunch of numbers. Voter ID laws already exist in many states and have been upheld as constitutional by courts. Even Mexico, as corrupt as it is, requires photo ID and a thumbprint for you to vote. This is probably the most important part. Every fraudulent vote that is cast, even if it's only one fraudulent vote, dilutes and calls into question the integrity of the entire vote tally and the trust a citizen from North Carolina have in the voting process that it is honest, transparent, fair and impartial. One person should have one vote and that person's ID should be verified with the current, non-expired, color photo ID before they cast their vote. It doesn't get any more complicated than that. In conclusion, our constitutional republic demands an honorable election system. Voting is serious business, much more than driving a car, cashing a check or buying a cup of coffee. I urge you to vote in favor of a non-compromised photo ID voter law for North Carolina. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you sir. Speaker number 7 Ms. Jade. The Chair apologize on mispronouncing your name but you have the floor for a time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Hi, my name is Becca Jade and I live in Wake County. Many opponents of voter integrity justify it by denying that there is no vote fraud in North Carolina but we respectfully disagree. Recently in the last election they compared the Florida and North Carolina voting records and found that Teresa Murray of Guilford County she is currently being investigated for interstate voter fraud. Another case was Robert D. Moore of Mecklenberg County. He died on August 13th of 2007 but somehow managed to vote on November 6th in 2012. There's another case recently that is being investigated by the Buncombe County Board of Elections and it was with a voter named Kelsey Carol Heitzman and she appears to have voted illegally by exploiting her vision of the law called One Stop Voting or Same Day Registration. According to the Buncombe County Board of Election documents, Kelsey Heitzman registered to vote on October 28th 2012 at an early voting location. During the board's routine follow up mail to this voter they were unable to make any further contact. This leads us to believe that a crime has occurred. One voter was disenfranchised because of this particular vote which was stolen. As of February this year that voter was coded confirmation not returned. If just these cases were the only ones and most of us would just shrug our shoulders but it appears that this is a pattern of fraudulent voting and in Buncombe county there were 63 other voters who got away with this same type of voter fraud and and all those votes were counted. What was the impact of this? Well their county commission's race was decided by 18 votes. Just 18. So there's no doubt that real voter fraud changed the outcome of that election. While voter fraud would not have ?? by vote ID real voter ID may have deterred the perpetrator from attempting the crime that we are alleging. While some will deny or downplay the cases of fraud, I ask you how many voter's votes should be allowed to be stolen. Just one is too many. So the people of North Carolina deserve to have laws with reduce election fraud and this is your chance to get it right. So I ask you to remove the voter fraud friendly loopholes in our election fraud and get real voter ID in North Carolina. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you ma'am. Ladies and gentlemen as a point of clarification you may wonder why I call out the numbers of people that are not here in the court recorder keeps track of who is actually speaking so the Chair has been

[SPEAKER] And aware that numbers 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and 13 are not here. Therefore, Speaker Number 14 is Mr. Mark Slide. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s not you. The Chair apologizes. Which number is he? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair would like to ask Speaker 14 to come up and to, please, state your name, and the Chair will scratch it off the list. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Hi, my name is John Pizzo, and I’m the Research Director for the Voter Integrity Project in North Carolina where I lead a research team of 23 dedicated fellow citizens who challenge the erroneous notion that voter fraud does not happen in North Carolina. On the contrary, our research has shown it is wide spread and pervasive. It takes many forms. It’s getting worse and will likely continue to get worse until existing loop holes are closed. As a non-partisan organization our research does not take into account gender, race, age or party affiliation. We simply look at the facts. There are various ways that fraud is committed that we've identified, which is multiple voting within state, which is impersonation voting, which is non-citizen voting, which is felons voting, which is post-mortem voting, which is dual state voting , to name a few. I have a data table from the Board of Election that shows that they charged 400 voters in the period from 2004 to 2009 with voter fraud. They were referred to district attorneys who never prosecuted a single case. Apparently, for those who commit fraud in North Carolina, there are no consequences. Now, many would be surprised to know that undocumented immigrants can obtain a voter registration card by simply checking a box that says, I am a citizen. Knowing that the state does not prosecute cases of fraud only in embolden such activity. Now, for some numbers, last year we found 28,000 deceased voters who remain on the voter roles in this state years after their death. Despite the lack of a Social Security Number and a date of birth, we are confident that our accuracy rate is in excess of 97 percent, and the counties where we filed challenges it was a hundred percent. I’m getting the short . . . I have a lot more about voter fraud but I’m going to skip to the end of my remarks. I do want to mention that the same day registration and voting is a very serious issue. In the County of Waco alone, there are still 406 voters who took advantage of same day registration voting and cannot be found. One wonders if they even exist. I wish I had more time to go into the many irregularities and provable voter fraud in the state that we've uncovered. None of us have ever received a dime for our efforts, and as I reflect on it, that is a good thing. No one in this state, including the ladies and gentlemen sitting in front of me, should ever accept voter fraud either as a method to skew election results in their own favor or anyone else’s without taking legislative action to close the loopholes, audit the system, correct what’s wrong with it. And to those out there who continue to deny voter fraud problems exist in North Carolina, refute our date or stop lying about it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you, sir. And for the record, Mr. Pizzo was signed up in slot number 13. The Chair misspoke and the Chair apologizes for that. The next speaker will be Ms. Katie O’Connor. You have the floor, ma’am, for a time not to exceed the three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Katie O’Connor and I’m a staff attorney with the Advancement Project, a non-partisan national civil rights organization with the Voter Protection Program in North Carolina. I have three minutes today and I want to dispel three myths. The first is that no one is affected by these laws. Nothing could be further from the truth. I’m going to tell you a couple of individual stories about the people who are disenfranchised by voter ID laws, like that in HB 589. There was a law suit in Texas regarding the Voter ID law there. And the court heard testimony from the

Victoria Rodriquez, A Latina student who didn't have a driver's license because her mother's car insurance would have increased if she's gotten one. She had a student ID and she was able to use that for everything including getting on a flight to D.C. to testify in that trial, but that ID wouldn't have been sufficient for her to vote. When South Carolina sought for clearance of it's voter ID law, several impacted voters intervened to tell their stories. Amanda Wolfe, for instance, had trouble locating her birth certificate because she was adopted. And when she was finally able to get that document she was told she would need her marriage license and divorce decree in order to get an ID. Each of these steps took a lot of time and money and attorney assistance that she didn't have. James Devos and Junior Glover, two African American men from South Carolina both lacked an original birth certificate altogether, and would have to require attorney assistance in order to petition for a delayed birth certificate. Similarly, the lead plaintiff in a case challenging Pennsylvania's voter ID law actually marched with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in Macomb, Georgia during the 1960s, and has voted on a regular basis since she became eligible. Nevertheless, this 93-year-old African American woman has never driven and has never had a driver's license, had to make three attempts to get her birth certificate and was finally given an ID after that. The second myth I want to dispel here is the justification for this law. We know that there is not. Actually, actually we know that there's not, and we've heard a lot about that but there is one more thing I want to talk about with the people who are impacted by these laws. We know that in Indiana in 2008 21% of the ID related provisional ballots went uncounted. Twenty-one percent of those ballots were not counted because people couldn't show up to show ID. We also know that in 2012, 22% of ID related provisional ballots. . . I'm sorry. That's 22% were counted. I mean 78% were uncounted. Finally, we know that in Georgia 1,586 votes have gone uncounted since that state adopted an ID law. That's 1,586 votes too many, for no justification. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you ma'am. The chair is not aware that speakers 14 or 15 have signed in Speaker 16 is Mr. Mike Benyon. Sir, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Good afternoon. My name is Mike Benyon. I'm from Wake County. I would like to add one more voter integrity example here and then address another issue. Consider the recent case investigation by the Voter Integrity Project of North Carolina. It featured a voter named Viral Patel. This person of interest provided ?? his non-U.S. citizen status to the North Carolina court system after voting in an election. According to their own document, the Wake County Court Clerk of Courts received evidence from Viral Patel that disqualified her to vote – disqualified the voter forum jury duty on the basis that not being a U.S. citizen. The actual date of the jury disqualification was not 9/4/2008 but a vote was recorded in this person's name on 11/2/2004. I repeat, the vote occurred before the jury disqualification date, so we view this as a clear case of voter fraud, and in respect to disenfranchised voters, that is they cannot require an ID suitable for voting, I suggest that we're addressing the wrong rules, or the wrong laws, and that should be made available to anybody who needs a voter ID because it is critical that our votes have integrity and not a matter of circumstance. So, if a person cannot get a voter ID I suggest that we're looking in the wrong places to correct the issue and we should be looking at what's preventing them from getting but keep the integrity of our votes in place, because I don't want to give up my vote to somebody who's not legally voting. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you sir. Speaker number 17 has not signed in. Speaker number 18 is Jonathan Bandy. You have the floor sir for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chairman. Good to see you Mr. Chairman. Honorable members of committee. Thank you for allowing me to speak today. My name is Jonathan Bandy. I an from Cary, North Carolina.

Carolina and I am here to represent the North Carolina Federation of Young Professional Republicans. I’m here to offer today some reason to the liberal arguments that you have heard during this entire process. Liberals are trying to convince the public to oppose voter ID laws by arguing that there are scads of people that would be disenfranchised or, if you will, suppressed, if they were required to present some form of government ID in order to vote. I have a lot of trouble responding to this argument because it is very short-sighted. First, very few people lack photo IDs. This includes the objectively poor, many of whom who need IDs to qualify for government programs designed for their benefits, including welfare and benefits. Second, there’s an endless range of activities for which photo ID is required such as driving, purchasing alcohol or cigarettes, purchasing a firearm, picking up a package, renting an apartment, picking up a prescription, enrolling in college, cashing a check, and I can go on and on and on. Third, the race card argument. Voter ID is not suppressing minorities as well as other groups that are supposedly unable to comply with these simple regulations. There is nothing racist about a procedure that can help prevent people that aren’t citizens or who aren’t legally registered from committing fraud. Analogies between voter ID and Jim Crow poll taxes are completely absurd. While segregationist laws sought to create fraudulent results, voter integrity laws have the opposite goal. What is racist is the notion that an African American and a Hispanic voter who don’t have an ID are incapable of getting one. So why are liberals really so opposed to these laws? I believe liberals are opposed as to the same reason conservatives are in favor: They’re both inclined to believe voter fraud is happening. The difference is that voter fraud benefits liberals. I’ve seen myself how relatively simple it would be for me to commit voter fraud. I have a roommate and he doesn’t vote that often, but I could simply show up and say I’m him and vote twice. So let me finish my words by stating the obvious: Ensuring the integrity of our electoral process should not be a partisan issue. All citizens must be allowed to vote, but it is totally reasonable as well as constitutional and feasible for all qualified voters to be able to prove their identity. I hope you enact the voter ID law that requires government-issued voter identification that has not expired. I know my generation needs a restored faith in the voting process and a restored confidence in our elected officials. If you want to take a step to change young people’s voters’ apathy, this is your first step. If you support voter ID, members of the committee, I ask you to join with your fellow citizens and sign our petition at ISupportVoterID.com. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you. The next speaker who is signed up is speaker number 22, Mr. John Garish. You have the floor, sir, for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir. I am John Roanoke Rapids in Halifax County where I have lived most of my life with the exception of nine years in military service, so I have observed the process of voting in Halifax County for most of my life. I have observed it as a voter, a poll observer and most recently as a chairman for the Halifax County Republican Party. Now I’m here to tell you that voter fraud is alive and well in Halifax County. This fraud is not hard to see because it’s a very blatant matter in which some of it is done. Some would have you believe that voter fraud does not exist, but I cannot accept that. Am I to believe that Halifax County is the only weed in the tomato patch? I believe that when someone has trouble remembering their address and starts making guesses as to where they live, that a voter photo ID might even help that poor soul find their way home. I do not wish to distract from the seriousness of this situation; I merely wish to get your attention. Voter fraud is a crime, and when left unchallenged, destroys the integrity of the process and disenfranchises people from voting, especially honest voters. I can give you many examples of voter fraud, but the one that troubles me the most is the abuse of the rights of those unable to even realize their rights are being abused. I speak of the mentally disadvantaged. We had one parent coming to us seeking advice when he realized that his chronologically adult daughter who spends most of the week in a care facility was taken to vote. She has the mind of an eight-year-old, and her father has spent a lot of money and time and effort to get guardianship for his daughter, so this was a surprise for him when she voted, and upon talking to her, he realized that his daughter who had just voted

Didn't know the difference between Mickey Mouse, Barack Obama, or Mitt Romney. What happened to their protection of their rights? The rights of the family members who have legal guardianship over their loved ones? Or do the workers of the care facility have the rights to that vote? Voting is a right, a privilege and a duty and every effort should be made to guarantee the integrity of the process to make it fair to everyone. Stop the fraud, restore integrity to voting and support voter photo ID. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you sir. The next speaker is speaker number 25, Debbie Rainer. I apologize I mispronounced your name ma'am. You have the floor for a time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm just a mom. I'm a mom that values honesty and integrity. I try to teach my kids to always be honest and live their life with utmost integrity. I took a lot of hours out of my extremely hectic day today to drive here because I believe that these particular values are under attack just simply by our current voting system. I've always voted but I never really paid attention until this past election how easy it would be to cheat. I stood outside the polls, especially in early voting, and just watched people. What I observed was utterly appalling. I saw one man drive up who clearly could not sit by them self, was clearly not coherent, was quite elderly, could not stand, somebody came out to the car, the man driving held the person's hand, made her sign the sheet and voted for her. I watched this happen. Again, I am just a mom and this is just one example. I could go on and on. I then watched others walk up and just give their address to vote. And I thought, anybody could say that they were me. Anybody could walk into another precinct and say they were somebody else. I could do the same thing. As long as I knew somebody's name and somebody's address, I could go vote for them. Then I realized if one person did this, my vote was invalidated and that's not fair. That's not fair to me and that's not fair to my children that are coming behind me. They are waiting, they are watching for the values of honesty and integrity of the people that are running this state. I realize that there's - I seem to be living in a situation where this society doesn't seem to believe in the honesty and integrity that I do. Having to show identification to exercise this precious right to vote is the only logical way to make sure our system in North Carolina would not allow cheating. Even the UN workers that were flown in to watch our proceedings agreed with that. Please help my vote to count. Don't let it be cancelled out by somebody else who's willing to cheat. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you ma'am. The next speaker is speaker number 27, Joan Impe. And the chair apologizes for mispronouncing your name ma'am. You have the floor for a time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I'm a volunteer in Raleigh for the Voter Integrity Project. We are fortunate that we do have the right to vote but with rights come responsibilities. Voters have the responsibility to prove they are eligible to vote. Voters are used to proving their identity as other speakers have talked about and I do agree with removing college ID and employer ID from the law. I would like to discuss the argument that fraud is not an issue in elections. There are signs that it is big business. Representative Dave Lewis reported on the floor of the North Carolina House in the 2008 election 91,000 North Carolina voters had their registration confirmation mailing returned as undeliverable. 91,000 people were not where they said they lived when they voted. This raises a big red flag. In North Carolina, President Obama won the election that year by about 14,000 votes. But the 2012 election there were approximately 14,000 returned voter registration cards for Wake county. There are figures that this is much larger and the Voter Integrity Project will be investigating this for the many suspicious unverifiable same-day registrations from this election. The Civitas Institute has documented that the North Carolina State Board of Elections conspired with a private company working for the Obama campaign to facilitate

A form of online voter registration for the 2012 general election. More then 11,000 people were allowed to register online in violation of state law. Just before Easter President Obama signed an executive order establishing the Presidential commission on election administration which will consider the number, location, management operation, and design of polling places, training, and recruitment, the number of poll voters, the efficient management of voter roles, and poll books, voting education, and voting accessibility for individuals with disabilities, limited English proficiency, and other special needs. The President is already campaigning for Nancy Pelosi to return as Speaker of The House in 2014. We also need to be ready in 2014. The voter schemes continue to change and become more sophisticated. We need photo voter ID to effectively document eligible voters, prevent fraud, and increase public confidence as other speakers have said. It is easier to prevent fraud then identify it after the vote is already cast. It's time for voter ID. President Obama is going to be ready for 2014, and so should we. I do understand if federal law prevents us from meeting this type of a timeline in 2014. It's time for the North Carolina government to be accountable, thank you. [Speaker Change] The chair thanks you ma'am. The next speaker is speaker number 35, Dick Hillman. You have the floor sir, for a time not to exceed three minutes. [Speaker Change] Mr. Chair, distinguished members of the legislature, my friends, and other fellow citizens of this fine state of North Carolina. In late 1776 this nation was formed to allow you all to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. If that pursuit of happiness happens to be that you're gonna liberate my TV set from my bedroom there's regulations against that. Even my right to free speech this afternoon intentionally and responsibly is limited to three minutes. Voter fraud is just, is insidious as that. Instead of the recent case investigated by the Balkum County, county board of elections. It featured a voter named Robert Joseph ?? the second. This person of interest appears to have voted legally by exploding provision of the law called one stop voting, or same day registration. According to their own documents Balkum County board of elections Robert ?? registered to vote on 10/22/2012, as an early voting location. During the board routine mail follow up by this voter they were unable to make any further contact, this leads us to believe that a crime was committed. One voter was disenfranchised because another voter stole a vote, just like the TV set. And as of February this photo was coded confirmation not returned. If only one voter did this type of fraud we'd shrug it off, we probably all would. But there's 63 counts in Balkum County and it was already mentioned just to repeat it again, the margin for the county commissioners was only 18 votes. Certainly it leads us to believe that somebody was elected illegally. I want to remind others who may have been here in the other hearing. I remember there was many more people saying that we were ?? and thieves, and so forth, but they happen to have enough money to bring free buses from Charlotte to protest a voter law. It seems to me it took less time and less money just to drive into the driver of North Carolina Division of Motor Vehicles and get a registration. The one good thing about this provision I am currently holding in my pocket, my permanent ID. It will expire post 70, hallelujah I will look young forever, younger. And I will remind all that, my wife last summer was overcome by heat, two summers ago I tried to take her to the northern wake hospital, I showed my ID, I showed my insurance, I'd showed Medicare card, they would not admit her until she showed her picture ID, and she could barely hold her head up. It's time we change this, we need to protect the rights of all citizens and I thank you for this opportunity to speak, thank you. [Speaker Change] The chair thanks you sir. Next speaker known to the chair is speaker number 42, Mr. Guy Smith. Welcome sir you have the floor for a time not to exceed 3 minutes. [Speaker Change] Thank

Mr. Chairman. Thank you members of the committee, I appreciate the opportunity to be here. I look at this at a little different direction when I hear people speak of voter suppression. I am a small business person and I travel all over the state and I think the fact we don't have voter photo ID's suppresses the vote. I talk to people in businesses that I do business with every day and they don't vote because they say well what does it matter, my vote doesn't count because someone is going to show up and vote and there is no reason to prove that they can or can't legally do so. I think we need to tighten up this process. I think we would see a higher turnout once we have a requirement because I think that our fellow citizens would feel more comfortable that their vote would count once. Thank you very much for your time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you, sir. The next speaker known to the Chair is Speaker Number 53, Art Wilson. Welcome, sir. You have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The right to vote has been belabored, the value has gotten little notice. A constant fact is that without absolute identification of a voter, nothing prevents the democratic rule of one person, one vote from being violated. That is the power, the value of a vote. A vote open to manipulation is ?? political exercise. There are four steps that must be taken. Photo ID is the first step in protecting voter ID integrity. Is it perfect? No, but it is infinitely better than the IDs that can be produced by a child in middle school and taken that way and it is a step in the right direction. Abolishment of same day registration voting, that's the most direct route to fraud. It is physically impossible to verify a registration in the time allowed before the voter is officially reconciled. And yes, illegal votes have been done that way, our County District Attorneys have just made little or no effort at prosecution. Provisional ballot jurisdiction must be limited on election day to precinct not county. As provisional ballots numbered so they can be retrieved for verification. Our state Board of Elections ruled voter within a county could vote provisional ballot in any precinct. That has to be changed. Registered voters in the wrong precinct be directed to the proper location. Just in Wake County over 4,000 of these provisional ballots were made that wind up with 60% of them being rejected because of errors, it created havic with the precinct officials trying to do their work, extra hours of the staff, loss of a lot of dollars just for nothing. College students are not citizens like everybody else. Preferential legislation permits registration at a college or university to become valid residency., That has to be challenged. That automatically is two votes for a student. So what if casting your vote becomes a little more difficult, ?? security of it? We are not playing bingo, we are trying to vote, we are preserving our legacy and protecting the next generation. Thank you, Ladies and Gentleman. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you, Sir. Speaker Number 54, Alexandra Brown. Ms. Brown, welcome M'am, you have the floor for time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. My name is Alexandra Brown, I go by Sammy. I have a wonderful husband, Rick and three beautiful kids and they are the reason I am here. I used to teach here in Wake County and the first time I was in this building, was with a group of teachers, we had teacher training at St. Augustin's College and we came down here about a bill and that was pretty much the extent of my political involvement until last fall when I decided to start volunteering. I volunteered as a poll observer for early voting. One Sunday, for the first one and one half hours of my four hour shift, so many people were coming in, that had so much trouble recalling their address and it made me really start to wonder. I was standing near the voter registration, same day table, I didn't even realize at that point that you could register to vote and vote that same day and I was standing near there and an elderly woman came up to me, she was accompanied by a young man and she asked me if she had to register in every county they went to. I was speechless, I wasn't allowed to speak anyway but in my heart I was so dismayed

I was just writing in my notebook, I don't know why I bother to vote, what is going on here? I just didn't realize the corruption that I felt I was seeing and I wondered if I should even bother to vote or do anything at all. Well I guess I did decide to do something because I am here but I'd like to say that we live in a country that has seen many generations fight for freedom and no one should be denied the right to vote. Our elections should also be free. They should be free from intimidation, they should be free from fraud and they should be free from corruption. Otherwise there is no point in elections and we don't really live in a free society. I'd like to make three points about Voter ID. 1. Voter ID will curtail fraud and corruption in elections. 2. Voter ID makes life easier for disadvantaged voters who don't have a form of photo ID. Without photo ID, anyone is at a distinct disadvantage in our society. Voter ID allows the use of 21st century election systems. We don't live in the 1700's, the 1800's or the 1900's, we live in the 21st century. As for the cost the government can certainly figure out how to get a Voter ID photo into someone's hands. We currently have voter ID cards, registration cards, mailed to every registered voter and no one even needs to present them when they vote. We need to add photos to these Voter cards and actually use them. Is preserving our free elections not worth it? Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you, M'am. The next speaker is Speaker Number 57, Laura Gutman. Welcome M'am, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. My name is Laura Gutman. I am a pediatrician. I have been a pediatrician for over fifty years and in North Carolina for over forty years. I am also a judge for the Board of Elections and I come because of my concerns about the way the elections are currently being implemented. I have heard a great deal to the effect that there is not voter fraud in North Carolina. I happen to share the opinion that my fellow citizens are by and large a very moral and law abiding group of people and I appreciate that since of confidence in our fellow citizens, however, as a pediatrician I am here to tell you that it is a very bad thing to provide a very attractive temptation to people to engage in illegal activities and because voting is so important and currently, very, very important, having weak voter laws such as we currently have, is a major temptation,for otherwise persons who would be law abiding, we are all fragile humans and we can all be tempted as we all know so this is an intolerable temptation to our fellow citizens and we should not be putting up with this in any way. As I said, in general, I think that things are well with our citizens, however, I would like to bring to your attention a particular case which I feel is egregious. Cardoza McColllum was born in June of 1924. This occurred in Durham County, by the way, my home and died in August of 2002. Either this person's identify was stolen and Cardoza voted. Remember, Cardoza died in 2002. Cardoza voted in 2003. Cardoza voted in 2004. Cardoza voted twice in 2008 and Cardoza voted twice in 2012. The last three times that Cardoza voted was by absentee ballot which I view as one of the particularly attractive means of subverting somebody else's vote. Now I want to point out as others have, that every fraudulently classed vote, expunges, destroys, obliterates, wipes out, nullifies, undoes and extinguishes the legitimate vote of somebody who feels otherwise. I wonder if anybody in this very distinguished room would like to volunteer to have their ?? vote. I don't see any hands. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you M'am. The next speaker is Speaker Number

67 Mr. Jerry Stone Excuse Mr. Stone and I Miss Chair apologizes you are number 64. Chair apologizes. Next speaker is speaker number 64 and Mrs. Number 2 but its Miss Margaret Smatanne [Speaker Changes] Thank You [Speaker Changes] You have the floor, madam, the time not exceed three minutes. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Chair. My name is Margaret Smatanne from Orange County. What is at stake today is the right of people the people to govern. Guaranteeing the right of eligible citizens to vote and preventing non-eligible persons from voting is critical in governing the country or state. These orders determine the fate of North Carolina or United States. The question is whether we the people will rule ourselves or have others will rule us. Some say North Carolina has fewer incidences of voter fraud now. So why enact measures now. Prudent people put safeguards in place now to prevent illegal voting and to secure legal elections. Parents teach their children how to cross the street not because their children have been hit by a car before but to prevent them from being hit by a car. Some say that voter photo Voter Id would disenfranchise the poorer minority. However not requiring effective Photo Voter ID carries an even greater risk of disenfranchising all eligible voters as their votes are diluted or negated by votes of ineligible voters. For those who do not have acceptable Voter ID, photo Voter Id s must be available free of charge. Provisions must be made to assist those eligible voters having difficulty in obtaining photo Voter ID. I request that you to legislate an effective photo Voter ID and other measures to ensure legal elections. Thank you [Speaker Changes] The chair Thanks you, Madam. Prior to moving on to our next speaker, the chair would like to announce for those guests who are with us in 544 that there are about 18 chairs that are open in 643, if you would like to come up. The chair would also announce Rep John Faircloth is on site in room 544. The next speaker registered is speaker number 67, Jerry Storm. You have the floor Sir. Time not to exceed 3 minutes. [Speaker Changes] I feel it’s a real privilege to be here. And I really thank you for allowing me to participate. My name is Jerry Stone. I am a resident of Wake County and I have been for the last 30 years. My opponents of voter integrity tend to justify their view by denying the existence of voter fraud in North Carolina. But I would differ. Consider a recent case investigated by the Buncombe county board of elections. The feature of the voter identified as Monica [??] This person of interest appears to have voted by employing the provisions of law called one stop voting for same day registration which were really getting pushed last year. According to their own documents Buncombe county board of elections; Monica Avery registered the vote on 10/30/12 at an early voting location. During the boards thorough routine follow up nailed to this voted, they were unable to make any further contact. This leads us to believe that a crime occurred. Obviously we don’t know for sure. One voter was disenfranchised because the other voter stole her vote. As of February of this year, the voter was quoted confirmation of return. And that’s one voter in Buncombe County. But that doesn’t affect us here. But if only one voter did this sort of fraud, many in this room would just shrug their shoulders. But his voter appears

veteran of fraudulent voting because there were 63 other voters in Buncombe County who got away with this same type of voter fraud. And all of their votes counted. What was the impact? Their county commissioner's race was decided by 18 votes. Only 18. So there is no doubt that real voter fraud changed the outcome of that election. I want to testify to the fact that I have voted for more than 40 years, and at every voting site, all they asked me was my name. And they looked it up on the voter board to see if I was registered. And that was the extent of any identification. They took my word for the fact that I was who I was. I don't call that very good voter registration. While voter ID would not have prevented the fraud, real voter ID might have deterred the perpetrator from attempting the crime, we are alleging. While some fraud deniers downplay such causes of fraud, I ask you, how many votes should be allowed to be fraudulent? Just one is too many. But this Buncombe county race only needed 18. It looks like they got it. I hope you'll get it, too. The people of North Carolina are fed up with election fraud. We only have one chance to get this right. So you must remove the fraud-friendly loopholes in our election laws and get us real voter ID in North Carolina now. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair thanks you, sir. The next speaker is speaker number 76, Vicki Boyer, and the Chair would also like to direct the Sergeant-At-Arms, the back row of the members' area may be used by the guests. New chairs. And ma'am, with that, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I'm Vicki Boyer, I'm from Orange County. In our country, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Voter ID requirements say everyone is guilty until they can prove themselves innocent. We are blessed to live in the first nation-state founded upon an idea. According to the Declaration of Independence, the idea of America is that legitimate governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed. That consent is gained through the process of voting. The act of voting is a sacred American right that says government is accountable to the people. ID requirements say people are accountable to the government. Voter ID says that each of us must have the consent of the government to participate in America's greatest ritual. This requirement changes the very nature of the American compact. It replaces voters in charge of government and puts government in charge of voters. It allows for a future when one group in power can limit voters to those who will keep that group in power. As good Americans, I'm sure none of you would ever want to see that happen. If you fear voter fraud, increase the severity of punishment for those who vote fraudulently. Fund our local boards of elections so that they have the resources they need to fully monitor elections and voting rolls. Fund our prosecutors' offices, so that they have resources to investigate and prosecute anyone violating election laws. Punish those who actually do wrong, not those who don't. Voter ID diminishes our sacred pact. Voter ID diminishes our democracy. Voter ID is wrong. Don't punish the vast majority of North Carolina's citizens by requiring voter ID. Don't invalidate the philosophy this country was founded upon. And remember that as government, you here in this room, we validate you, not the other way around. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you, ma'am. Speaker number 77, Don Yelton. You have the floor, sir, we're glad you're here. Time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Don Yelton, Buncombe County. You've heard Buncombe mentioned enough tonight, already, to realize that when I stood before this committee the first time I was here, I had submitted to Chairman Lewis and to you that day, written examples of voter fraud that I had witnessed in western North Carolina. Not only Buncombe, folks. But in Buncombe County, the reason nothing is done is we had a Democrat-controlled Board of Elections with Mr. Byrd, who was the Chair, and Mr.

Ron Moore ?? DA would not prosecute when he was given the names of people that voted twice. Now you've got it now documented you've heard it from not just me. WLOS had on their TV station the other night, this phrase, I'm paraphrasing a little bit because at 65 your memory gets a little clotted when it's the truth. And I speak the truth folks. The democrats don't like me and some republicans don't but that's ok. WLOS TV said: The democrats fear that the voter regulations will hurt them as it will disenfranchise some of their special voting blocks. I tell you that that within it's self is the reason for photo voter ID period end of discussion. It's a no brainer. The bill before you is weak as water. You've got to many ways for them to get their ID. You've got the schools, school ID, Navy tech ID, college community campus id's, employer ID's. None of those verify the residence of that person. And now we're to the touchy issue when your bill goes to the senate. And I ask you to consider this, why does a student who lives in Rhode Island or Florida or anywhere else have the right to be in a tax subsidized school in North Carolina, living in a tax subsidized dorm, being a tax deduction for his parents. Even if he lives in Wilmington and he comes to UNCA in Asheville, what gives him the right to vote in that town that he's not a resident? Address the residence issue. That is where you have your problem with many votes. Voting twice as I told you. I'll be fine on my time sir, but the county commissioners only give me three minutes and I'm good at it. Friend of mine going to Western Carolina had his daughter pulled aside and said you need to register here to vote here because you can vote here in your county. That is going on on campus whether you believe it or not. Make this a stronger bill when it goes to the senate. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you sir. Speaker number 78 Mr. Hill. Welcome sir you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 589 see the purposed section 163-82.7A. Start at line 33 on page 3 of the first edition. An affidavit is mentioned near the end of subsection C. Is it safe to assume that the affidavit in subsection C is an affidavit pursuant to a subsection A or subsection B declaration? Subsection C says that the affidavit must be a sworn affidavit. Why is an affirmed affidavit not permissible? Does the objection that is the basis for a subsection A or subsection B declaration have to be an objection to all photographs? Or can it be an objection limited to government mandated photographs only? The spokesman for the voter integrity project so called have defined the adjective anecdotal. They tell you about what they're going to tell you but they never tell you what they're going to tell you and what they do tell you they tell in such detail that they can't demonstrate any bodies in the cells or even prosecutions. By the way the biggest number I heard from any of them even alleged was number five from the first speaker Mr. Delancy. Proponents of voter photo ID like to recite the litany of transactions that already require a photo ID. They would leverage existing usurpation's of individual sovereignty to justify the new one. But

-the fact that governor McCrory must present his likeness to buy Sudafed is an argument against the Sudafed requirement, not in favor of voter ID. The title of House Bill 589 promises us an act to restore confidence in government, but I cannot have confidence in a government that doesn't have confidence in me. And what House Bill 589 says to me is that the government presumes me to be up to no good and places the burden on me to prove otherwise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you, sir. Speaker number 79, Carey Ausner (??). You have the floor, sir, welcome for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you for hearing me. My name is Hugo Chavez. How do you know? Really, how do you know? I'm here to vote. Really? Shouldn't I have to show an ID card? Maybe my names Bill Ayers, I'm a terrorist and a felon, but I want to vote. How do you know? Have I shown you an ID card yet? No, so you have to take my word for it. There was a report done in 2010 by a lady named Susan Myrick (??), not related to Representative Susan Myrick. In 2010 she did a voter thing on voter fraud. It seems that there were 110 people- excuse me, 2,660 people that voted in 2010 that were over 110 years old. That makes North Carolina the ?? capital of the world. We must be doing something right in this state to be living that long. Now, there's another element called voter integrity project. They did a little looking at the rules and it seems that 30,000-plus people that were dead voted in the last election. Without voter ID, how can anybody tell who they are? I mean, I just walked up and told you I was Bill Ayes or Hugo Chavez. For the record, my name really is Carey Ausner (??) and I'll show you my ID card any time you want to ask for it. Everybody here should want fair and legal elections. Everybody. I mean, it's part of our duty as US citizens to vote, and I've seen people that- let me see, they've risked death, they risk dying to come and vote, yet a small portion of our population actually come up to vote, and then we get a whole bunch of them who show up that are illegals. They're not US citizens and they're not voting for what we want. They're taking away from what we want. They're trying to steal from us. Those opposed to voter ID want unfair and illegal elections. They want to be able vote multiple times, they want to steal. They want to direct how our country goes, not as myself as a citizen, but what they want me to do. Not what the rest of my fellow citizens want, but what they want to do. They want to steal the election from us. Those that are fighting voter ID, it's been talked about here before. How do they buy cigarettes and alcohol? How do they cash their checks to get their food stamps? They have to show an identification. Voter ID has nothing to do with race, creed, sex, or color, or anything else like that. It all has to do with the liberals or those trying to steal the election, that want a legal election. As for the transportation problem, I've heard it before, "Oh, what if I don't have transportation to get an ID card?" Well, it's only a problem if you have a solution. Other than that, you're whiney. The solution is, hey, I work for the Tea Party, call me. I'll drive you down there. I'll help you get your ID card. If you don't have transportation, give me a holler. You want my number? I'll give it to you. I'll show you my ID card, by the way, and I'll drive you down there. Thank you for hearing me out. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you, sir. Speaker number 80, Charles Cooper. Welcome sir, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name's Charlie Cooper and I came here today for Moore County. Many opponents of voter integrity try to justify their views by denying the existence of voter fraud in North Carolina. I respectfully disagree. Consider this recent case investigated by the Buncombe County Board of Elections. It featured a voter named Jamie Lynn Binscroft (??). This person appears to have voted illegally by exploiting provisions of the law called One Stop Voting-

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Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you ma’am. Speaker number 82, Marian Pennway. Welcome ma’am. You have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My name is Marian Benway. The North Carolina black legislative caucus stands firmly against the voter ID bill, arguing it disenfranchises poor and minority voters who are more likely to lack photo ID. Poor and minority voters do not lack photo ID because they cannot apply for government assistance without a photo ID. In California and Illinois, just to name a couple of so-called blue states, in order to apply for welfare, food stamps, or public housing, you need a valid photo ID to prove your identity to get government assistance. The exact government programs designed to help the poor require photo IDs. The information being pushed by the NAACP claims this is a poll tax. It is not. Voter ID is consistent with the 24th amendment, section one, which is to ensure that the right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for president or vice president, shall not be denied or abridged by the United State or any state by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Section two of this amendment says, legislation is allowed which will enforce this provision. The North Carolina legislature has worked conscientiously to avoid disenfranchising citizens or engaging in voter suppression. Alternative ID cards to vote are a driver’s license, military IDs, Department of Motor Vehicle ID cards and passports. For those unable to purchase these cards, they will be provided at no cost to eligible voters. For the elderly who may not have state issued birth certificates, other options have been provided. Given this, voter ID cards are anything but a poll tax. There is no malicious purpose for asking a person to show an ID and prove their identity prior to voting. States like Georgia have enacted programs for free identification cards. Turnout among black and hispanic voters increased from 2006 to 2010, dramatically outpacing population growth for these groups over the same period. As far as student IDs being a form of ID to vote, this is not a good ID. Getting a fake student ID is much too easy. It was easy way back in the 60s, well before computers, when I had one in order to get into bars when I was underage. The only thing voter ID suppresses is voter fraud. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you, ma’am. Speaker number 83, Larry Hanson. Welcome sir, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. My name is Larry Henson and I’m from Wake Forest. I’m here to ask for your support for voter ID. In the 2004, 2008, and 2012 elections I served as a poll observer. I’ve seen fraud and I’ve seen suspicious activity that implied voter fraud. One example, I watched a lady come in to vote three times. On the second time, I pointed her to the chief judge. The third time, I again pointed her out to the chief judge, this time the judge looked into and saw that the lady was trying to vote for a man. When questions, she replied, you’re trying to deny my neighbor’s right to vote. She was voting for someone else. So asked for your support for voter ID to help keep this lady and others from committing fraud. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you, sir. Speaker number 84 is Dennis O’Donnell. Welcome sir, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you for your time. My name is Dennis O’Donnell, I’m from Wade county. I come before you just as a citizen whose discouraged with our voting system. I served as a poll observer in a 2008 election and realized from that experience that I was being disenfranchised. I only was there part of the day, but on election day at three o’clock in the afternoon, all of the observers from both sides, the Democrats and the Republicans, got to look at the voter precinct list and see who hadn’t shown up. I noticed the four Democratic observers copied down several hundred names in a matter of 15 minutes, got on their cell phones,

And called somewhere, and approximately 30 minutes later, people started showing up with pieces of paper in their hand, and, either written on their hand or in their hand, of who they were. And I brought this to the attention of the chief judge who basically said, if they say that's who they are, that's who they are. And there's no way to check it. We have no way of knowing what went on but it certainly left me with the idea that my vote didn't count. Because we cannot really verify who really is voting, who's not voting. It's critical to have some way of making sure, we want everybody to vote, but we only want them to vote once, and when we register them, we want to make sure that people don't register twice. That's part of the scheme, that people register, people without their middle name, with their middle name, and there's no checking going on. And as one other issue, I spent this morning at the DMV renewing my driver's license and I had to bring my passport. They wouldn’t count my current driver's license as ID. They required either my passport or a registered copy of my birth certificate to renew a driver's license. And their paperwork that you get online, if you can look online, you'll see what they require. Yet to vote, we don't require any of that. I thank you for your time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you sir. Speaker number 85, and the chair will apologize, Bob, if you would state your name sir, the chair does apologize. We're glad you're here. You have the floor for time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. My name is Bob Baddisher. I'm from South Port, North Carolina, and I drove up here today to offer a confession. I've attempted voter fraud. Here's how it went down. On the first day of early voting, I went down to the South Port Senior Center to vote. I waited in line for 40 minutes. As I approached the registration table, before the attendant looked up from completing the last registration, I announced myself with the name and address of my next door neighbor, who I knew was out of the country and not likely to vote for some time. When the attendant looked up, we both burst out laughing. It seemed like the attendant is a good friend who knows both me and my neighbor. My attempted voter fraud was all in good fun, but when this scenario is played out in other voting locations across the state, it's not a joke. Well after I exercised my privilege to vote, I noted that the Senior Center was also offering flu shots that day. I stopped in the room next door and asked for a flu shot. I was instructed to sit down and produce my photo ID driver's license and to give up my most critical piece of information, and yours too, social security number. I could not have a flu shot without complying to that request. Now I haven't heard any of my anti-voting ID activist friends protesting the flu shot ID requirements. Could that be because dead people don't get flu shots? Or because live people don't try to get more than one flu shot? It seems ludicrous to me that we require positive ID for so many things in our lives, yet we don't require positive ID to participate in the most fundamental privilege which drives our Democratic republic. You may have noticed I'm a Yankee by birth, but I'm a Tarheel by choice. In other states that I've voted, you had to sign a book each time that you voted. Your signature was then compared with the signature that you provided when you first registered to vote. It seems like a reasonable requirement to me. A photo ID would be even better. Well while my attempted voter fraud was only a joke and no laws were broken, it proved to me how easy it would be to carry out real voter fraud. It's your job to make laws that protect voters from identity theft and see that only those eligible get to vote

Please, this time, see that the integrity of North Carolina's voting process is strengthened and maintained. As your constituents, we expect and deserve nothing less. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you sir. Speaker #86, Charlotte Sandry. Welcome. You have the floor ma'am for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you for this opportunity to speak. My name is Charlotte Sandry, and I live here in Raleigh, in Wake County. Many opponents of voter integrity tend to justify their views by denying the existence of voter fraud in North Carolina. I respectfully disagree. Consider a recent case.. Consider a recent case. It featured a voter named (Un Baiyun Shein). This person affirmed that he was not a citizen of the United States to the North Carolina court system after voting in an election. According to their own documents, The Wake County Clerk of Courts received evidence that, from (Un Shein) that disqualified him from jury duty on the basis of not being a citizen. The actual date of the jury disqualification was November 14th, 2011. But, a vote was recorded in that person's name on November 2nd, 2004. The vote occurred before the jury disqualification. Evidence was turned over to the Board of Elections, but they didn't seem to care. Not only did they deny all challenges by using hearsay evidence, The North Carolina Administrative Office of the Courts quickly moved to deny access to similar jury data from other counties. The State Board of Elections appeared to be more interested in derailing the investigation than they were about the fact that a Non-US Citizen voted in our elections. This is just one example of voter fraud in North Carolina. We have heard many today. While some groups suppose (oppose) any credible election reform by attacking the messenger, I believe the facts should stand for themselves. I strongly urge legislators; You have only one chance to get this right. Please remove the fraud-friendly loopholes and give North Carolina a real voter ID law. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you ma'am. Speaker #87 has a beautiful signature and the chair apologizes that (we) can't read it. Would you please introduce yourself ma'am and then you will have three minutes to speak. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Molly Schubert and I'm from Wake county. I'd like to share with you a recent case that was investigated, as you've heard also from several others, from Buncombe County. The board (…) by 18 votes, so each vote does make a difference. I have a question for everyone in this room. Has anyone ever broken into your home? Ever? A few of you, perhaps. For most of you, the answer is probably no. Another question. How many of you lock your doors before you leave your home? Since no one has broken into your home, why do you lock your doors? Shouldn't you just leave them unlocked and wait to see if anything bad happens? We never had anyone break into our home, but we do lock our doors. Has anyone ever voted in my place before using my name and address? No, but should I wait until someone does vote in my place before taking any precautions. I believe it is my duty, and my responsibility as my a citizen, to protect my home and my right to vote by taking preventative measures to assure that my vote is not compromised in any way and at any time. I am honored to prove my citizenship and proud to display a fence of civic responsibility by showing a photo ID when I..

Both. Aren't you. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you, maam. Speaker #88. Bill Bryson. You have the floor sir for a time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Bill Bryson. I live in Wake county, and I'm a volunteer for the Wake County Republican Party. My responsibility as a volunteer is to download the current voter list from the state board of election. As of Saturday April 6th 2013, there were 61,858 incomplete voters in Wake county. An incomplete voter is one who does not reside at resident address in the voter list as determined by the US Postal service when mail is returned undeliverable. Of the 61,858 incomplete voters, 12.2% voted in the 2012 general election. Of those 6,940 incomplete voters, only 1.7% cashed a provisional ballet. Even though an incomplete voter should vote provisional. The point here is that with the voter ID, a positive system of identification, not a subjective system, that person with an incomplete status, would have voted provisional so that his address could be verified and updated if it's valid. The current North Carolina voter registration verification system is broken. It is not aggressively kept up to date. Which allows for abuses. Of the 714,732 voters registered in Wake county, only 81%, 585,628, were considered complete or active. The votes of the remaining 19% can be easily voted by using a another person's name typically at a one stop site where the voter is unknown. 44% of the incomplete votes casted in 2012 were cast at one stop sites. The opportunity for fraudulent votes is rising. When newly registered are considered active without proper identification. There are currently 4,598 of these newly active voters. In other words, who registered at a one stop or registered at the office, for which verification is pending. Of these 4,598 voters, each people who voted in 2012, who voted at one stop, have failed successful delivery of the first or second mailing. Now this number is increasing each time I download the database. A month ago it was only around 2,000. Now it's 4,598. The reason is, is that the validation process, which was not performed at the pole, at the, is performed after the fact. And this is what causes the number to come up. We need a positive voter identification system which is verifies the voter at the time of the vote. Many people can register. But that person needs to be validated at the time he votes, or she votes. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chair thanks you, sir. Speaker #89, Jessee Brenley. Welcome, you have the floor for the time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Good afternoon, my name is Besse Brantley, and I live in Wake county. And through this whole course we've been hearing a lot about Buckram county. And I do have another one, it's Sarah ??. Again, she registered to vote on November the second, and she voted, and apparently her voter confirmation was never returned. So I don't need to go into the same thing over again. You're very familiar with the story. Basically, she stole somebody's vote because, by her voting, somebody else's real vote did not count. And you're all clear about that. I do want to speak from personal experience. I've been a volunteer at the elections for several years now and I've gotten to know a lot of people that volunteer and I want to speak about a couple of cases that I'm very familiar with. And this last election a friend of mine, who went into a precinct to be a pole observer, that night before we all had received

Information about the statute, about who is eligible to vote, the criteria of what makes a person eligible to vote. That day I took that information with me and my friend went to this early voting polling place and he brought the statute which he presented to the judge there. The judge took it and said that she would have to call the main office. Well, after a little while she came back and she told my friend that he needed to leave. She had spoken to Gary Sims and after discussion with him my friend had to leave. He was a poll observer, he was there to do what he had committed to do and that is to observe. There are a lot of things that have happened over the past few years and we're all aware of it and I know many people are trying to push it off as, "Oh, discrimination." Well first of all, I'm Spanish. My family and I came from South America in 1964. My parents sold everything they had. They got the legal papers to this country. We came with just our clothes and we went to Illinois. In 1975 we became naturalized citizens. We did everything legally. It took hard work. What I'm talking about this election, the reason we need voter ID is, as a naturalized citizen, as a citizen of this country, it's appalling to me how easy it is to cheat the system. The system tries to be very gracious with everyone, yes everybody has the right to vote. I agree, everybody has the right to vote. But as everyone else has mentioned before, you need IDs, picture IDs, to do so many things that are part of our regular lives. I believe that we need to maintain the integrity of the elections by requiring everyone to have a voter ID. And if they need help to get somewhere, there are many of us that would be glad to. I would be glad to pay that 10 dollars to help someone get a voter ID. I'm sure that there are many other people that would be willing to do the same. I really would appreciate it if you would vote, and again this bill is watered down, but we do need a real voter ID in North Carolina. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]: Two things to you, ma'am. Speaker number 90, Bill Clark, is that correct, sir? Welcome. You have the floor not to exceed a time of three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES]: Thank you ladies and gentlemen. One of the most precious rights we have as citizens is the right to vote and the idea of one vote for one qualified citizen is critical for maintaining the integrity of our election process. There is no debate, voter fraud exists. Youtube videos document it, poll observers witness it, those who oppose this bill will claim there is no significant concrete evidence for voter fraud. That is becoming more and more untrue everyday thanks to the hard work of many organizations. Truth be known if we had real, strong voter ID requirements we would actually be able to prove it. Yet without some form of voter ID and verification, we cannot have any confidence that our citizens have cast their one and only vote. Still in the mind of those that oppose this bill, the needs of one person without proper ID seem to outweigh the need for the vast majority of our citizens to have a voting process of the highest integrity. We should all be held equal under the law. Should those who cannot or are unable to obtain a valid ID have any greater right than citizen's votes that are nullified by fraud? Or are we to believe that the government is incapable of establishing a system to provide identification to those people who do not have other valid means of identification? And finally, we have private organizations with a long history of helping our fellow citizens and the less unfortunate among us. Are we to believe that these people could not act then to help those folks that do not have IDs to get it, should a system of government of alternate IDs, not be able to succeed. Voter fraud exists and must end if decisions made by people at the ballot box are to go unchallenged in the wait for those among us desiring justice. Pass this bill, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]: The chair thanks you, sir. Number 91, Gladys Sussel...

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The right to vote in your state are issues, was not an issue until a person of color became president of the united states. Be quiet I'm still talking. I'm marching forth for civil and voter rights in the early 1960s. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Ma'am, if you will, the chair Paula Jah says to you I think that there are those in the crowd who perhaps are trying to lend support and to perhaps dissuade what you were saying the chair announced prior to the start of this that we were not going to engage in that, and so the chair would ask that those in the room please show respect and decorum for the speaker who has the floor. With that, the chair will direct the sergeant to add on to add two minutes to this time. And the chair does apologize, ma'am, you have the floor. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Thank you, I was marching forth for civil and voter rights in the early 60s. I was spit on and called names that I can not repeat, and also arrested. Fighting for these rights, and to think that now, in 2013, we have to again fight to have the privilege of voting. This legislation would take us back 50 years and a lot of people died for these rights. You say that majority of people are behind the implementation of a voter ID, I could say majority in the early 60s also did not want integration. And I want to thank you for your time. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The chair thanks you, Ma'am. Speaker number 93, Lynn Baker. You have the floor, ma'am, for a time not to exceed three minutes. [CHANGE SPEAKER] My name is Lynn Baker and I am from ??? county. And I am here today because, I can be here. I am happy that I am able to tell you how I feel about the voter ID bill. I have been called a bigot and a racist because I support this bill. But I've lived long enough to know that I can stand up for what I believe in because this is America. And I come from a family that's diverse, I have attended churches that are diverse, I have worked in workplaces that are diverse. And being a bigot and a racist is not a part of my makeup. I believe that if you are honest and want to present yourself as being who you are, there's nothing harmful about a photo ID. I just, I'm 75 years old. If I needed to have an ID I would be able to find where it was, and how to get it. If I couldn't get myself there, I would find someone who could get me there. I just think that this is an excuse for not wanting to have one vote for one person. Thank you for your listening. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The chair thanks you ma'am. Speaker number 94 is Alison Riggs. Ma'am, I'm glad you're here. You have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Thank you, sir. My name is Alison Riggs. I've spoken before this body before, but I've come today to oppose house bill 589. This is not a compromise or moderate bill. After the phase-in, North Carolina's voter ID requirement would be amongst the most very strict in the nation. In many ways, the law is even more restrictive than those in Georgia and Indiana. In Indiana, indigent voters aren't forced to spend the significant amounts of time and money necessary to track down birth certificates from out of state in order to get a photo ID. An indigent voter may go to the circuit court clerk after the election and sign an affidavit that he was the person who voted on election day and he is unable to obtain proof of ID without paying fees. The indigent voter's vote is then counted. Requiring second trips of voters is burdensome enough, but at least in Indiana there is some mechanism whereby people like Rocky Reese, who testified at the last public hearing don't have their right to vote predicated on their ability to track down an out of state birth certificate. But in North Carolina, the proposed bill contains no such mechanism. House bill 589 is not a compromise or moderate bill. In Georgia to get a free ID there is more flexibility in the kinds of non-photo identity documents you can show in order to get the free ID. In house bill 589 even with the fee waved to get the "free ID", there are very few types of identity documents that the DMV accepts, and that would make it substantially harder to get a free ID in North Carolina than it is to get a free ID in Georgia. House bill 589 is not a compromised or moderate bill. It is also worth noting that a federal judge in joined enforcement of Georgia's first version of Georgia's photo ID

the 2005 version, because in that version, in order to get a free ID a voter had to sign an affidavit swearing that he was indigent and that he could not pay the fee for the ID card. The judge found merit to plaintiffs' undue burden and poll tax claims because voters would be understandably reluctant to swear under penalty of perjury that they were indigent given the subjectivity of that term. And voters could be too embarrassed about their inability to pay to request such an affidavit. The Georgia Legislature had to go back and correct that, changing it so that anyone who wanted a free ID could get one, and all they had to swear to is that they didn't have another kind of ID. House Bill 589's Financial Hardship Affidavit requirement for a free ID creates the same legal problems that's identified in Georgia's initial Voter ID law. Issuing free ID's only through the DMV licensing offices is another fatal flaw in this bill. The DMV offices in many counties are only open once or twice a week during work hours. If voters have to choose between earning a wage and obtaining documentation to vote, that is neither legal nor constitutional. House Bill 589 is bad policy. House Bill 589 violates constitutional guarantees and voting rights laws. It doesn't make elections more secure, but it makes voting a fundamental right a lot harder for those of your constituents who are least able to bear the added burdens. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The chair thing, she meant. Speaker number 95, Bill Gillkerson. Welcome sir, you have the floor for a time not to exceed three minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Mr. Chair and Members of the Committee. Before I retired I used to work here, but I also worked on Election Day as a precinct official. I miss that sometimes, but if the bills being proposed now go through, I wouldn't want to work as a precinct official on Election Day. I believe these changes will make these changes will make doing the job the voters there deserve much harder, maybe impossible. To get the full picture you have to look at the changes all together, not just one-by-one. For example, two years ago you drew redistricting plans that split an unprecedented number of precincts. That means that on Election Day the precinct officials have more, different kinds of ballots in the same precinct and they have to make sure the right ballot gets to the right voter. In the 2012 Presidential Election the stress of that was relieved by early voting. Early voting sites are better set up to handle split precincts. Because so many people voted early in 2012, the polling places were not mobbed on Election Day. But now you're proposing to cut a week out of Early Voting. The Election Supervisor of Leon County, Florida told you last week that a similar cutback in Florida resulted in a nightmare on Election Day. One bill I saw here recently even proposed restricting early voting to the County Board of Elections office. No more satellite sites. If these things happen, expect longer lines on Election Day. And on top of the split precincts, and the long lines if you curtail early voting, you're burdening precinct officials with administering this photo ID bill. First they have to determine if each voter has proper form of ID, which is not always simple or bright-lined. And if there is a proper form of ID, they may have to determine if the photo reasonably resembles the voter. On page 3 of House Bill 589, it says if one precinct official raises an issue, the three precinct judges would have to stop what they're doing, let the lines back up and have a mini trial right then and there in the polling place. On paper, it looks like a fair trial, but this is not a suitable environment for such a proceeding. Most precinct officials don't like to be at odds with each other or with the voters. They have been trained to avoid time consuming unseemly controversies by using provisional ballots. The message has been, smile, don't argue, let the voter vote provisionally, and give them an "I voted" sticker. Let the Board of Elections sort things out before canvas day. But under this bill, the voter who votes a provisional ballot because of a lack of an ID has to make a second trip, this time to the Board of Elections office for the vote to count. Many people don't have the transportation to get there and probably will be disenfranchised. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The Chair thanks you, sir.

Speaker number 96, Frank Iler, you have the floor, sir, for time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, I am Frank Iler, I'm from Raleigh. Many opponents of voter integrity tend to justify their views by denying the existence of voter fraud in North Carolina. I disagree with that. Consider this recent case investigated by the Voter Integrity Project of North Carolina. It featured a voter named Jose Luis Gomez. Now, this person of interest proved that he was a non US citizen to the North Carolina court system after he voted in an election. According to their own documents, the Wade country clerk of courts received evidence from Jose Gomez that disqualified the voter from jury duty on the basis of not being a citizen. Now, the actual date of the disqualification was December 30th in '09. But a vote was recorded in this person's name on November 2nd, '04. I repeat, the vote occurred before the jury disqualification so it's obviously voter fraud. The evidence was turned over to the board of elections but they didn't seem to care. Not only did they deny all of the changes by using hearsay evidence, but the North Carolina Administrative Office of the Courts quickly moved to deny us access to similar jury data from other counties. State Board of Elections appeared to be more interested in derailing the investigation than they were about the fact that the non citizen was voting in our election. It's just one example of voter fraud in North Carolina, but there are several more. How many will it take for you to see the point, that election fraud is a serious problem in North Carolina? Some groups oppose any credible election reform by attacking the messenger. Believe the facts should stand for themselves. Our findings are just the tip of an iceberg because voter fraud is a very real problem. The people of North Carolina are sick of election fraud. We've got one chance to get it right, so keep that in mind. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you sir. Speaker number 97, Alex Brown. Glad you're here sir. You have the floor for time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Hello everybody, my name is Alex Brown and I come here today from Wade County. Many opponents of voter integrity tend to justify their views by denying the existence of voter fraud in North Carolina. We respectfully disagree. Consider this recent case investigated for us by the Buncombe county board of elections. It featured the voter named William Tyler Hughes. This person of interest appears to have voted illegally by exploiting provisions of the law called one stop voting, or same day registration. According to their own documents, Buncombe County Board of Elections, William Hughes registered to vote on 10, 31, 2012 at an early voting location. During the board's routine follow up (??) for this voter, they were unable to make any further contact. This leads us to believe that a crime has occurred. One voter was disenfranchised because another voter stole a vote. As of February of this year, a voter was coded "confirmation pending". If only one vote could distort a fraud, many in this room would just shrug their shoulders but this vote appears in patterns of fraudulent voting because there were 63 other voters in Buncombe County who got away with this same type of voter fraud and every single vote counted. What was the impact? Their county commission race was decided by 18 votes, 18. Every vote counts. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair thanks you, sir. Speaker 99, Paul Jansen (??), glad you're here sir, welcome. You have the floor for time not to exceed 3 minutes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My name is Paul Jansen (??), I'm from Wade County and I thank you for the time to speak before you today. I have to show voter ID to get into the board of elections, to write a check, or

-welfare check or not to vote. The facts exist today that you've heard from many others. I've read where over 107 absentee ballots were returned at a Board of Elections as non-deliverable. Their votes counted. These votes are all highly suspect. Some counties have more registered votes than they have registered voters, and that brings a lot of votes into question. There are many loopholes that influence our elections and take rights away from law-abiding citizens. Your right to have a fair election in representative government is very far from where we exist today. You are in a place in history to give the people what they want, and that's integrity. Stop the oppresion of honest voters' rights. The people of North Carolina are fed up with the election fraud that's been happening. We must remove the fraud. Tightening loopholes in our election laws and passing real photo ID in North Carolina is one way to do it, and I think you for your time today. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure thing, Schuster (??). Speaker number 102? Butcher, I apologize for butchering your name. You have the floor for a time not exceed three minutes, ma'am. Welcome. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, everyone that is still listening to all this long information about voter fraud, and I guess what I'm picking up is possibly that we're not proving things that are really happening out there. As a poll observer this last year, I also am a transplant from another state, of Michigan, and I am proudly now happy to be voter here in North Carolina. I was quite surprised that my voter ID that I was so proud to have with a North Carolina address on it, was not even required when I walked up to the- (The audio file was only 2:19 in length for this file.)