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Senate | April 24, 2013 | Committee Room | Senate Education

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If our members will find their sites we will begin the proceedings of the education committee meeting today we have three bills part of the a we plan to hear him all others public comment believe it's going to video is been requested on the Senate bill 516 and we will allow outreach side you have two minutes to present in the we welcome here Lt. Gov. back here and far as governor we welcome you and thank you for what you're doing to the great states and not this time all: let me let me give you our pages I don't like Chapel Hill/Don Molly McDonald Mallette said by Bill Edwards Goldsborough served upon a end of our certain knowledge that is breaking in my life than they can just know that if Richard Robert Steve Wilson thank you all for the great job you do it this time it's your surgical will announce the bill for you the bill that we are checking out first subject Kirksville area command of a lot of filing homeschools Senate bill 189 about know your morning this will simply update Sinclair flaws definition of homeschool is meant 25 years since our current homeschools past in 19 $.88 in the interpretation of her homeschool while the division of nonpublic education has been the language arts and math science and social studies most retort by the students parents or legal guardians our member of the household however to these restrictions were collaborative end-users more modern instructional options include Internet electronically stored information video instruction and cooperative activities this bills updated definition will allow homeschool parents choose the best educational sources and experiences for their children while taking advantage of the latest and future Ecological developments originally talked to homeschool parent losing after Bill North Carolina she told me that she and her husband moved to North Carolina because a homeschool program here is so much better than the I asked her if she could addresses committee what would she say she replied tell them please pass this bill with no changes you just want the freedom to teach our children I believe this paragraph is representative of more than 50,000 homeschools with North Carolina many homeschoolers are understood is understandably concerned anytime legislators make changes to the law for fear it will infringe on the rights of parental educators this bill takes nothing away instead of simply ensures those rights by delivering the definition was will support above the groups work Carolinians for home education in the North Carolina coalition of home educators I asked for your support on this bill I might also point out that this was bill is exactly the same bill that passed unanimously in the house representatives that you can go to call that our little members first to see if we have question from members and then I know we have will have a couple on each side that was a homeschool folks that will are members first site we have any questions this bill passed the House unanimously as the subject of said service Don and Mr. Chairman I finished is there is the if one family determines the scope for the other families children is it permissible for a person to be compensated is very keen cash changed hands know

approach to the voters of this state. And I also wanted to hopefully begin to get all of their voter bills on the table so when we're talking about the bills people can see the whole picture, I think they paint kind of a bleak picture. Okay, Larry I want to turn it over to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Senator Nesbitt and certainly I think you said it, it seems that instead of encouraging our voters to come to the polls and participate in their government and feel empowered, the story here is we're gonna roll up the ladder and make it so you can't get to the polling place and if you get there, we're gonna intimidate you into leaving or not voting. Now, house Democrats have filed a series of bills over the last few weeks to make sure that the right to vote for North Carolina citizens is preserved and protected. You know it's probably the most important thing we do, as we look at our Constitution, the right and really a responsibility for folks to vote is probably the most important thing, but even on top of that, we take an oath when we are sworn in to protect and defend that Constitution and there's no more important right in that Constitution than that right to vote and the citizen's participation; if they participate in their government, they're gonna feel part of it, and it will be more responsive to them. So as an effort we put forward to say, we're gonna defend that right to vote, we're gonna defend that Constitutional right, we're gonna discharge our duty, our oath that we swore to represent the people, and one of the things we decided to do is ensure that by filing voter empowerment legislation, to defend that vote and put it in our laws. And one of the first things we did, was to have on-line voter registration which would make it simpler and easier filing process for many folks who want to register to vote. Additionally, we filed a bill, early voting on weekends was sponsored by representative former Butterfield and Pierce that makes a minimum amount of early voting on the weekends so it ensures there's a minimum amount of time available for folks to vote on the weekend. We have what is called our voter protection and integrity act, and it guarantees registered voters will be able to vote at any authorized polling place. Again, all of these acts are designed to preserve that opportunity to vote and ensure that the citizens wont be turned away. They've earned that right, they've paid their taxes, they've done the other things they're supposed to do, and the least they can do is have the opportunity to vote without being impeded. Now, finally we have a voting improvement act. And it's a more comprehensive act, and it improves the opportunities for people to vote in North Carolina, and again it encompasses some of the previously listed. But these four bills are bills that show that we believe in the people. And we believe they should be able to participate in the voting process. Now we've heard a lot from the governor, saying he wants to improve customer service wherever he goes. And if you get billed twice for driving on the turnpike or the for fee expressway, toll road, he says well we want to have customer service and make sure you don't get billed twice for that. Well, if we're concerned about double-billing on the expressway, if we're concerned about long lines at DMV, then why aren't we concerned about the most important thing. How about these lines at the polling place, which the efforts of Republicans are gonna do. If they reduce the amount of time you have to vote, they reduce the number of places you can vote, and certainly impose a poll tax, and Martin I think that's definitely a poll tax, I don't see any other way to say it, that we're gonna tax you if your children vote at another poll, we're gonna charge you if your children decide to vote and they're not at the same poll. If that's not a poll tax, I don't know what one is. Early voting in North Carolina has been a great success. The citizens say they like it, they voted that they like it, and they want it based on their participation, and so we see what is happening now. Regardless of what party you're in. You should really want to be engaged by the electorate, you should want to hear from them, and you should want them to participate, it validates you and what you do. The voting improvement act and representative Michaux is here to talk a little bit about it, will do a couple things that are very important, and I want to have him say some, say some words. Representative Michaux. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, in looking at just voter improvement all around, I'm sorry that folks weren't

law. We know that our existing law is recognized as one of the best in its class of a moderately regulated state in the nation, as per the Home School Legal Defense Association. That Home School bar has been firmly set in place under our current law and best suits the diversity of our Home School community. We feel this has to remain intact to support and serve each home school's unique needs as the current array of choices provides the freedom to include many options that can work together to meet the individual student's needs while preserving the parental responsibility. While those of us who are opposed to the proposed bills feel a redefinition of the law through legislative action is not needed, we could envision a refinement of the Home School policies and procedures set forth by the Department of Non-Public Education and a coordinating update of its existing Home School Guide, in specific, we point to pages 2, 9, 10, and 11. Thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Mrs. Taylor. Our next spokesman is Lydia Taylor. Lydia, tell us your name and... [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you. Hello, my name is Lydia Taylor and I'm 16 and in the 10th grade. Home schooling in North Carolina is a privilege due to the amount of educational freedom that mine and other families enjoy. A change in legislation is not only unnecessary, but it puts my home education at risk. I already enjoy supplemental classes and additional resources legally, as clarified by the DNPE Handbook. My peers and I, as the group these changes would most directly affect, do not wish to see our current law change. I ask you, distinguished Senators, to reconsider your support of this bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Lydia. That's all that we have signed up. That’s all we will hear from the public comment, and at this time I will... OK, Senator Davis. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I have a question for Senator Cook. Senator, my question is, what would be the process, right now you can have two families, what would be the process of moving, or going from two families, or dissolving a two family relationship and just going back to the individual family? And the nature of the question is, if you have two families that says no more than two families that can determine the scope and sequence of academic instruction, and for some reason the families were not in agreement, what would be the process of dissolving that relationship? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. You... Senator Cook. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you for the question. As far as I know, there's no concern there. The people involved would... Can you hear me? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Turn your mic on every ??. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I don't think there's really a problem here. The people involved can simply dissolve their relationship. It allows you to have two families, but you don't have to have two families. You can have one family, and so they split up, they split up, it's no big deal. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Senator Cook. At this time, seeing no other hands, I will see if we have a motion. I have a motion from Senator Woodard, from Durham. Do I have a second? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Yeah. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. All right, I have a motion and a second. All in favor, aye. Any opposed? Bill passes. Senator Cook, you'll handle your own bill on the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you. I appreciate all your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Senator. We'll go quickly now to Back to the Basics. Now what we'll do on this bill, it's already passed the House and we're going to have a vote on that today. We've already discussed it and we will just simply present the bill to you. Senator Austin, if you want to make an opening statement you certainly may. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman and members of the Committee. Actually, I think this bill has been discussed really thoroughly in this committee, has been discussed very thoroughly in the House, and has been discussed and is being discussed very thoroughly in the public, and I would just remind people that, for obvious reasons, for commonsensical reasons, I think that there is overwhelming support for this bill and I would urge your favorable report. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Senator. And I will entertain a motion. Have one from Senator Woodard. A second from Senator Curtis. All in favor, aye. Any opposed? Bill passes. You'll handle your own bill, Senator. I am going to step down from the

[Speaker changes.]...chair, since the next bill is mine and ask Senator Soucek to take over. [Speaker changes.] Senator Tillman, you're recognized to explain the bill. [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Chairman. I do need a PCS motion to Mister Chairman. [Speaker changes.] Yes, we have a motion to adopt the PCS by Senator Jenkins and all in favor to adopt the PCS? Aye? (AYES.) Opposed? No? The ayes have it...the PCS is now before you. [Speaker changes.] Thank you very much. One of the things that I've complained about for forty years when I worked in the schools was the amount of paperwork and it's increased since I've gotten out of the chair. And it's more on teachers and you'll hear teachers everyday tellin' you that they are frustrated with the amount of paperwork. Let a teacher be creative and let them have the time in the classroom. I've asked a select group of school people, including a select group of seasoned superintendents around the state to give me a list of some things that they would like to see be eliminated, that's either duplicative or that they have no value and no use that they can determine as far as their school system goes. We are required by VPI to send in hundreds of reports, some of them have already been eliminated and we're gonna' get most of the rest of them in this bill. And I will be glad to take on questions about any aspect of the bill if you have them, I'll be glad to...if i need the staff to assist me, they are able and capable so I'll just leave it at that, Mister Chairman. [Speaker changes.]Alright. Do we have any questions from the committee? Senator Stein. [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Chairman. In Part two, Senator Tillman, the disadvantaged student report, it seems like you're trying to consolidate the reports into one report each year. Do you know how many are done now? And are we going to be losing any of the information or is it just saying that the same types of information that's provided now will provided once a year instead of more regularly? [Speaker changes.] Senator Tillman. [Speaker changes.] Senator Stein, that's a good question. Some have been combined, others have been eliminated and, as to which have been done either way, I would ask staff to brief us on which ones have been totally eliminated and which ones have been combined and which one is maybe gonna be reported once instead of multiple times. Some of all of that is going on in this bill. I'd ask staff to assist in the answer to that question by Senator Stein, which is a good one. [Speaker changes.] Patsy, please. [Speaker changes.] Senator Stein, you might notice in the summary, we found two State Board of Education policies that require reports on disadvantaged students and they had reports in December and April so those would be combined. For more specific information, someone from DPI might be available. [Speaker changes.] Senator Bryant. [Speaker changes.] I wanted to follow up [INAUDIBLE.] [Speaker changes.] Alright. You may speak now. [Speaker changes.] I was interested in Part One, where you were eliminating the EFC reporting. I was wondering if someone from staff or EFC or DPI, whoever would know...what are we losing? Are we losing anything in not getting that labor and economic information. I asked that because the common follow-up system, I at least became familiar with it when we were looking at how to track services, the effectiveness of services and the activity of ex-offenders in terms of employment and employment training and other kinds of programs and that was seen as an effective option for tracking those kind of services and the level of participation. So I was wondering what would be the consequence of them not reporting. If somebody could tell me. [Speaker changes.] Staff, do you have a response to that. [Speaker changes.] Senator Bryant, probably someone from DPI or some of the other groups could say what the consequences. The bill just is exempting the local school systems from having to report according to GS96-33 that requires any state or local government agency that's getting state or federal funds to provide job training, education, and placement programs to report that information to the Labor and Economic Analysis Division of the ..

of comers. okay. follow up Mr chair, i am concerned that i don't know to what consent its important to tracking and knowing people who get unemployment services, whether we know whats happening with them I'm just not sure. can we see if anyone from the audience either from dpi or ese would know if they are here can i have someone for dpi that might have an answer to that question please state your name and origination I'm from the division of school businesses dpi the information that we provided to the ese we provide them information but we are not sure what the implications they will have on potentially the question you have it would have to be answered by efc senator barmen do you have a question? Yes, thank you Mr. chairman to senator tear-man. the Pep plan that's going to be eliminated. What type of students was that planed for those types of students to be acquired for. I believe the pcs takes care of that i believe we will eliminate the peps i think staff we put that in at least i requested that i believe its in the pcs that we will not eliminate the peps thank you sir. i always wanted it to be done but i didn't see the necessity in reporting the dpi but we will record those good question. any further questions? Do i have a motion for favorable report i have one for senator Pete all in favor say I. I'm sorry lets do this correctly lets do a motion for favorable to pcs unfavorable to the original bill all in favor say i oppose no the I's have it and the pcs passes, i will relinquish this back to senator Toma to continue on, or is that the last thing on are agenda then. We will finish are business and the meeting is adjourned. Thank you senator pete