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House | March 20, 2013 | Chamber | Session

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Buckham County Sales Tax Use Expansion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government, if favorable Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives ?? Howard, Carney and Haines, House Bill 335, aid rapid response to states of emergency. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Conrad, Lambeth, and Terry, House Bill 336, UNC School of Arts student fees. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Finance. The Chair misspoke. Education if favorable Finance. Strike the referral to Finance on 336. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Conrad, Lambeth and Terry, House Bill 337, Forsythe Technical repurpose of funds. [SPEAKER CHANGES] [PAUSE] Education. If favorable, Appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 337 Conrad, Lambeth and Terry, Forsythe Technical repurpose of funds. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, strike the prior referral to 337. Referral of 337 is Education, if favorable Finance. If favorable, Appropriations. 337 is Education, if favorable Appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Haines, Lambeth and Terry, House Bill 338, workers compensations subjugation employer consent. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rules calendar, operations of the House. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens and McElrath, House Bill 339, Lottery expenditures. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dockham, House Bill 340, limited lines travel insurance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Insurance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Torbitt. House Bill 341, tax credit for Department of Labor apprentice hires. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lambeth, Conrad, Haines and Terry, House Resolution 342, honor Winston Salem’s 100th anniversary. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar, pursuant rule 32A for Wednesday March 27. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Turner, House Bill 343, courts procedure and fee amendments. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Judiciary subcommittee A, if favorable Finance, if favorable Appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Insko, Glazier and Luebke, House Bill 344, uniform mental health reporting requirements for national instant criminal background check system. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rules calendar, operations of the House. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Faircloth and McNeill, House Bill 345, increase penalties for misuse of 911 system. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Judiciary subcommittee B. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Faircloth, Stam, Hardister and Glazier, House Bill 346, governing bodies collect unpaid judgments. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government, if favorable Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Faircloth, Adams, Hardister and Harrison, House Bill 347, amend Greensboro fire fighter’s retirement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government, if favorable State Personnel, if favorable Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Faircloth, McNeill and Hardister, House Bill 348, public safety technology state rights of way. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Transportation. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Floyd, Glazier, Lucas and Soca, House Bill 349, Fayetteville may disclose pleas complaint. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Government, if favorable Judiciary. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jordan and C. Graham, House Bill 350, court improvement project, juvenile law changes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Judiciary Subcommittee C. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Hamilton, Glazier, Murray and Fulghum, House Bill 351, study prescription drug abuse by students. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rules calendar, operations of the House. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Chair would like to extend a welcome to the students, teachers and chaperones of a group of students from Wintergreen Intermediate in Greenville. Please stand and let us welcome you. [APPLAUSE] The Chair is also happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Fred McClure, chairman of the Davidson County Board of Commissioners. Fred, please stand and let us welcome you. [APPLAUSE] [PAUSE] Again ladies and gentlemen of the House, we will come back to the board of governor’s election. We are moving to the calendar. House Bill 180, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 180, a bill to be entitled an act to make various technical corrections to the laws governing mechanic ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, please state your purpose. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill.

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Senate Bill 50, a bill to be entitled an act to prevent identity theft of discharged veterans by restricting the release of military service discharge documents. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Whitmire, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir. Members of the House, Senate Bill 50 is an excellent piece of legislation that further extends the protection of thousands of veterans who filed their discharge papers as they were instructed at their local courthouses and to prevent their social security numbers and other personal information from being available to the general public. And it simply extends the timeframe of that protection such that someone living beyond the time they came off active duty plus 50 years, it extends it to 80, so that the protection and the propensity of all cases outlives the person themselves, so that their information is not vulnerable. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak briefly on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House. I just wanted to rise and have my support to this bill. Representative Whitemire did an excellent job explaining the bill. This problem was brought to us by the registrar of deeds, Mr. David Record in Davidson County, and I would certainly appreciate your support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the Senate Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 50. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [PAUSE] All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. Representative Conrad. [PAUSE] The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, the Senate Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 50 has passed its second reading and without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the Senate Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 50 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The Senate Committee Substitute to Senate Bill 50 has passed its third reading, will be enrolled and sent to the Governor. House Bill 270, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 270, a bill to be entitled an act to provide for a referendum in the town of ?? on the issue of whether or not the voters of that town should be able to recall from office the elected officers of that town. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] [PAUSE] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 270 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [PAUSE] All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative and 1 in the negative, House Bill 270 has passed its second reading and without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 270 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. House Bill 270 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Representative Fischer, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I wish to be recorded as voting aye on House Bill 180. I was in the chamber, just didn’t get there. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted aye on House Bill 180. Representative Conrad, the lady did not record on Senate Bill 50. Does the lady wish to be recorded as having voted aye? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, Mr. Speaker, Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted aye. Senate Bill 97, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 97, a bill to be entitled an act to require release of property taxes in any area that was part of a municipality for six months or less, and then de-annexed. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, under the current law, property taxes are levied on a physical

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...Indication from the clerk. I'd like to send forward an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar moves to amend the bill on page 2, line 12 by, between by deleting registry and substituting register. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay. The first part of that, as the reading clerk indicated, was the change based on the Department on Cultural Resources advising us that we had a technical matter. The more important section is lines 6, 7, and 8 of the amendment, and this adds a section that says where the regulations adopted pursuant to this article governing the permitted uses of land or structures subject to North Carolina residential code for one and two-family dwellings. This should resolve the issue that some folks had raised, in terms of being worried about boarding houses and nonresidential uses coming forward as a result of the legislation. Obviously, that would not be the intent of the bill sponsors, and this just adds an additional restriction that makes it very clear that municipalities are able to pass regulations pursuant to the articles governing the permitted uses for residential one and two-family structures, dwellings. I would appreciate your support on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate on the amendment? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Dollar for the House Committee Substitute of House Bill 150. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative and 1 in the negative, the amendment passes. Now we're back on the bill. Representative Luebke, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak briefly on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the House. I will be brief because, as you remember, we had a long debate on this yesterday, on this bill. I am, I continue to be troubled about the issue of the neighborhood overlay. We talked yesterday about the situation in Chapel Hill and my own district in Durham, and Representative Terry is concerned about this situation whence in Salem. I will say, for the body, for all to hear, Representative Dollar and I have had a conversation about it and, I guess, it's fair to say he's, I don't want to put words in your mouth, Representative Dollar, but I think you'd like to keep looking at it and, maybe, try to address our concerns. For myself, and whenever I'm not really sure, protective language is going to go in the bill because the Senate may not agree to it. Once it leaves here, it's in the Senate's hands. I would urge members to continue to vote against the bill if you are concerned about situations where neighborhoods go to the city council, or the town council and ask for protection. That's different from what the emphasis that Representative Dollar has put on the bill. But if you think about the second part of it, neighborhoods asking for protection, that is not yet explicitly supported in this bill, and for that reason, members I'd urge you to vote no on the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Terry, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. And I do share a bit of concern that you have heard expressed by Representative Luebke. And basically, my concern is that property owners' rights to purchase a home that has lasting value, not diminishing value, is where I have difficulty, and I believe to some degree, that Representative Dollar has presented an amendment that speaks to that, to the extent that perhaps it allays the concern of the neighborhood. So, I would respectfully and reluctantly not attempt to amend any further. But I still reserve an awful lot of concern regarding both the rights of raising value rather than diminishing value. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 150 as amended on its third reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote.

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Copies of those. I looked at statistics. Here's a death statitics for you. 10 people a day die from this cause. 2 people a day are children under the age of 14. Is is melanoma, no its drowning. I haven't seen anybody come to us and ask for a bill that will ban children's use of swimming pools or any other bodies of water. Yet that's over 600 kids a year dying from this. Beta for me falls into three categories. Its either an hypothesis which is an educated guess. Its a theory which is a lot of hypothesis put together and tested repeatedly. Or it is a law, which we observe but we cant tell you why it does what it does. Which is why you're sticking to the ground when you walk. Because of gravity. The supporters of this bill said there is no such thing as a safe or healthy tan. Then we must have had a lot of neanderthals passing away for sun exposure. Because they didn't have vitamin d supplements. They didn't have the knowledge that it was bad for them and to stay out of it. Thats a kind of extreme language, it really makes it difficult sometimes for people to take the sort of positions that they do on bills. You've received the hand out about melanoma being contributable to sunbed use for systematic review in that analysis. You understand what an analysis is. Its simply a gathering together of a lot of studies and then making a ruling or understanding based on what they prove. I have in my hand a study that I looked at which stated. The main cause of contagious malignant melanoma has been contributed as commonly caused by sun exposure but the matter is in dispute. This particular study was probably not included in the meta-analysis. And with my training i have to ask why and I have to make a decision based on my answer to myself. Secondly once we go through the necessity, we get all the facts. Then it becomes our responsibility down here to make a policy change. We have to understand what we're doing. We are trying in this body literally to control peoples lives or to mold their behavior. And determine what we think is best for them to do. If this was a field or an area where we had no regulations I would be the first one to cast a yes vote. We have regulations however. They were put in in 2004 and they are that anyone up to the age of 14 has to have a physicians written prescription to visit a suntanning bed. And up to age of 18 they have to have their parents written permission. And I just want to let you know that when you see my name on a bill or on a vote, that you realize why I vote the way I do. Why I believe what I believe, and what I stand for. Its not because I'm a republican. Its not because I'm a social conservative, a woman, white, a business owner. I'm a sum of my parts rather than one single issue type person. My job, our job, down here is to provide the maximum in safety while still allowing our citizens control over their lives. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson, the chair understands the gentlemen wishes to be recorded as having voted no on house bill 150 is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] yes please [SPEAKER CHANGES] gentlemen be recorded as having voted no. Representative Stan please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] speak on the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr speaker members of the house last night i had a dream. And in this dream i discovered that we were gonna vote today on whether kids under 18 can smoke tobacco. Then I woke up, oh we already passed that law! They cant even smoke, is it 21, I dont know, whatever it is. But guess what, the relative risk of this procedure, this suntanning..

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However, with the FACTUAL information that we have about tanning beds, and the problems that they can cause, I don't see how you could vote against this bill regarding the policy or anything else. When someone's 18 years old and they can make that decision on their own as a full adult, have at it. But when they're a child, they're a child. And that's the way it is. I'm thankful that I don't have skin cancer. But if ANY of you DIDN'T go to that screening, make an appointment with your doctor and have a checkup. It is very important. My mother is a 16-year breast cancer survivor. My father, before he passed, had prostate cancer. I'm a hypochondriac where this type of thing is concerned; and I was going to going to go immediately anyway, but Monday it was taken care of. But, I urge you to support the bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the Body. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Fulghum, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This Body, in 2004, had a bunch of ?? in the bill that passed regulating tanning beds for 14 years and under. We're asking today to change that to 18 years and under. Not a big change, but a lot of big news has come along in the last ten years or so since this bill was originally passed. There was a reason that the bill was done in 2004. The reasons were, whereas most indoor tanning salons bulbs provide a significant amount of UVA/UVB radiation, those types which are found in the outdoor sun can cause various types of damage to the skin that may lead to skin cancer. And whereas past studies have suggested, the tanning beds contribute to instances of melanoma. In a recent study in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute, it indicates the use of tanning devices may also contribute to the instance of melanoma skin cancers, and dermatologists across the country are alarmed with the number of teenagers and young adults who continue to patronize tanning salons; regardless of studies that correlate between sun exposure and a wide array of skin cancers, and so on. This bill passed; it was incumbent upon this Body and others looking at this to continue to look at the data as it came in. Other studies have been cited by this medical journal, which had other articles involving non-melanoma skin cancers that are rising at an alarming rate. I leave you with Plato's comments, 2500 years ago: "We can easily forgive a child who's afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." Thank you, and I support this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McElraft, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When the lobbyists and one of our wonderful dermatologists came by my office, I invited them in and smiled at them and I said, "I know what you're here for, and I appreciate it, but I'm absolutely a 'no'. I believe in parental rights, I believe parents know best for their children, and I believe that tanning beds are safe for children. After all, I've read the literature." And after listening, and trying to figure out why a dermatologist would take the time, when it's her business to make money off of people who have cancer, I started listening more intently. And then I realized that she was there because she had a passion for her patients, and a compassion for them. And she truly believed that tanning beds were harmful to these children. I changed my mind, and I'm going to vote "yes" on this bill. You don't put sunscreen on because it's not an intense heat, you're not reminded that it IS harmful to your skin. When you go out in the sun at a beach, you put your sunscreen on; you're protected more. But in the sunning tan bed, for children, they're not going to be reminded they need to put their sunscreen on. Parents are not aware of the literature that we've all been made aware of by the kind dermatologists that took their time to come down here, and the lobbyists who have done their job to let us know this information. It is our job, when we have this information, to protect those children. I hope you will consider that, and vote "yes." [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [END OF AUDIO]

Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]I'm so glad to hear that our brother Mitch is not cancerous. I on the other hand have had numerous things taken off of me and they we're all cancerous. A couple on my back. One on my chest. They had to go to go about four times on the bridge of my nose to get that one to stop growing. And one were I actually had a chunk taken out of me and stitches up here just this past fall. I've never been in a tanning bed. I used to go out to you know, I grew up in Newborn. I used to go down to the Atlantic beach all the time and lie our there all afternoon, all day. With no suntan lotion or anything like that and then come home and put Noxzema on it, which now they say is the worst thing you can do, and swear I'd never do it again and then I went right back and did it again. I even got sun poisoned one time. In spite of all that, I was gonna actually offer an amendment to this bill to put parental consent in there and I talked to Mark Hallo about it, and he convinced me not to do that. And I'm saying all this to say I have a very strong commitment to parental authority. Which makes me very nervous that here we go again telling parents what decisions they can make and what they can't make for their children. And so I, have difficulty with this bill and I'm probably going to catch some flak for it if I vote for it and just to tell you the truth. I'm just telling your where I am. I ain't made up my mind yet. So I hope some of you all can convince me one way or the other. But I'm just, I'm very nervous about making decisions for parents. I'll just have to say that. I'm very nervous anytime the government starts making decisions for our citizens that they ought to be making for themselves. So, I guess it sounds like I'm gonna vote against the bill but I'm just not sure yet. So, I'm listening very, with great interest. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Well, Representative Pittman you've inspired at least four other people to speak. Representative Avila please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]To speak a second time on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The lady is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES]I just to address a couple of comments that was made and first of all Representative Setzer, I'm thankful for you that you were not diagnosed as cancerous and everybody in here should have a regular screening. I do, because believe it or not I am at risk of melanoma if I get in the sun. You wouldn't think it looking at me with brown hair and brown eyes. But I am. And I have a full body check out once a year. So all of you do that. In terms of Representative Stam's statement earlier about the benefits of swimming, there are benefits to the sun as well. It's called vitamin D and it's not always getting as much through our diet as we would like and we take supplements. But the thought is also safe from that stand point because one of the things that bothers me about removing the restrictions that we have and basically saying that you can't do it, is just the same thing that we have when we've told teenagers that you can't smoke. You and I both know that they do. What we've asked now to do is remove any kind of check and balance on our children in a tanning bed. They're free to go any where they want to go to get a tan. Forever how long and you've heard Representative Pittman describe how a lot of them are going to do it. Where, with the structure that we have currently they're in a controlled environment. These people educate them. They analyze their skin. They talk with them about the time they should be there and why they shouldn't. Do we need to improve the education? By all means. We need to emphasize mightily within the industry the dangers, and not ignore the facts that you need to know about cancer risks. But we're not getting that if our kids are laying on the beach. Representative Fulghum ended with a quote, and I'll do the same. I'ts Paracelsus, and his words were. Poison is in everything. And no thing is without poison. The dosage makes it either a poison or a remedy. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Ladies and Gentleman of the house the deadline for filing agency bills is about thirty seconds away. The Chair with the Lead of the House will or without objection extend agency filing deadline until the end of session. The Chair does anticipate ??

[Speaker Change] That’s coming up before we take the Board of Governors vote. But just be advised the deadline has been extended. Representative [??], please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] The gentleman is recognized to debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] Mr. Speaker and members of the House, I had four daughters, the daughters had teenage years. Those were very challenging years. We had discussions about tanning beds many times around our dinner table. Many times I lost that debate because they convinced me that they had the prom to get ready for, or some other special event. And I would sign to allow them to go to the tanning bed. Tanning beds are not good for teenagers. They do have an alternative which we eventually figured out and moved to and that is spray tans. So when daughters want to get all gussied up and look for the fancy dress and shoes to go to that prom or some special event, they can go to the tanning areas and get spray tans and that does just fine for their purpose. So I also support this Bill. [Speaker Change] Representative Steve Ross, please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker. [Speaker Change] The gentleman is recognized to debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] I too have four daughters and I discovered the same thing. Real life story, real quick, and I’ll be brief. Fifteen years ago, as some of you know, I had my little bout with cancer. Went down to Duke University and went through treatment. First day I was down there I was sitting there, went in and had some lab work. I came back out and I was sitting in the waiting room. I don’t know how many of you have been down in the waiting room down at the Cancer Center at Duke, but it’s kind of a somber place. When I came out I sat down. I sat down next to a young girl, twenty one years old. And I looked around the room and everybody else was at least my age or older. And I looked at her and I said, to make conversation I said, you must have a parent or a grandparent that you brought down today. She looked at me and said, no sir. She said I’m here for myself. I said, really. I said if you don’t mind, what for? She said I have a spot on my arm. I said, well spot on your arm, that’s probably not to serious. And she looked at me and said, no. She said it’s something called a melanoma. And she said that the doctor told me I don’t have much hope. And I never forgot that. I went home after that and my daughters were never allowed to go to a tanning bed. And we discovered the spray tan. But that’s, that’s a real life story. It does happen. Unless you’ve been on the side where you seen it, or felt it, it’s just hard to understand. But that’s, that’s something I’ll never forget and I support this Bill. Thank you. [Speaker Change] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] The gentleman’s recognized to debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker and I’ll be very brief. I’ve sat through this issue in both Health and Human Services and Regulatory Reform and I am sensitive to the argument that Representative Pittman Made. I know it puts many of us in a difficult position in that, in one sense we have a conservative view on government. I think it came up in one of the meetings that, well we’re pushing an anti-State. And I think we’re sensitive to that. We don’t want to see big government influence coming in and telling families and everybody else what they have to do. But I have to tell you I have to look at this from the standpoint of a healthcare professional as well and I think some of the other comments have already been eloquent when it comes to healthcare. And the question I rose in caucus was, well if you really believe that then we need to repeal the laws against commercial selling of tobacco and cigarettes to minors. I mean, I think there’s an appropriate place to draw the line. And everybody might not agree where that line is. And it comes up all along when there are issues like seatbelts for instance, or smoking, or whatever. But my point was, if you’re going to be a purist about it, you know, then you got to let your children go to the supermarket and buy cigarettes. You know, as it is now, if a parent wants to go and buy those cigarettes and take it home and give it to their children to smoke, they can do that. And as this law stands, if a parent truly believes that it’s in the child’s best interest to be able to have a tanning bed and do that at home then they can do that. But I think there is a great preponderance of evidence that it is not good for children to go to tanning beds. And that there’s a much higher incidence of melanoma and I think pretty much throughout the medical professions anyway, there seems to be no doubt about that. Now I know there are those that will argue that, but I just wanted to address this issue of the anti-State.

...to say that we are sensitive about that. But I think when healthcare is concerned, we have to come down on the greater good. And for that reason I do support the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask Representative Hollo a question, if I might. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hollo, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm not even going to state which way I'm going to vote on this bill because I really do not care to influence anybody 'vote on this. I just had a question, though, based on my personal experience. When I was, I still suffer somewhat, from psoriasis, but when I was very, very young, I had a, not very young, teenage years probably. I had an outbreak that was bad and required me to go to a dermatologist's office and go in their stand up tanning booth for a number of sessions. It just occurred to me that if indeed the tanning beds are, if the capability is somewhat similar, because it was ultraviolet radiation from their lamps that was actually helping to control the psoriasis I had, you don't cure it. It probably would have been a much cheaper alternative for me to have gone to a tanning bed for a number of sessions, if indeed their beds can do the same thing. I assume they can, since they're ultraviolet radiation. I was just wondering if there is any medical exception here for somebody who might be doing this to treat a medical condition. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Usually, in a dermatologist's office, those machines are regulated, they're inspected more frequently and you can determine the dose of ultraviolet radiation was given. My understanding that some tanning beds, depending on the bulbs, the age of the bulbs, the age of the machine, you can not necessarily regulate how much UV radiation is given. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 18 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. Ninety-four having voted in the affirmative, and twenty-two in the negative. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 18 has passed its second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute for House Bill 18 on its third reading. All those in favor will say aye, all opposed will say no. The ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it. The House Committee Substitute for House Bill 18 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we are going to go into a recess for 30 minutes. We will return to the Chamber to resume business promptly at 3:40, 3:40. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Luebke, please state your purpose? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry of the Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] After recess will we be taking up any bills other than the matter of the Board of Governors? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Luebke, what the Chair has done is stopped with a few bills that we are going to confer with the teller as to whether or not they would mind us taking up a bill in debate while they're actually counting the Board of Governors votes so that we can use some of the time that we'd otherwise be sitting in recess. But if there's any objection on the part of the tellers to carry those bills while they're out of Chamber we will honor that objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Thank you, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Republicans will caucus immediately upon recess downstairs in Room 1228. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Democrats will caucus immediately after, during recess in 1224. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, before we recess, upon motion of Representatives Stevens, Burr, Glazier and Hamilton, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the North Carolina affiliate of the American College of Nurse, Midwives, Board Members, Affiliate Members and Supporters. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] Representative Charles Graham, does the gentleman wish to speak? The House will be in recess until 3:40. Three four oh. Representative Saine is recognized to send forth committee report. The clerk will read.

Representative Saine, chair for the Commerce and Job Development Subcommittee on Energy and Emerging Markets. House Bill 192, "Allow ROW Usage in Central Business District," favorable as the committee substitute, unfavorable as the original bill and referred by serial to Regulatory Reform Committee. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute bill will be re-referred to the committee on Regulatory Reform. Original bill, unfavorable calendar. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the chair is happy to extend a welcome to a group of students, parents and teachers from Stokesdale Elementary. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] Representative Murray is recognized to send forth a committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Murray, chair for the Regulatory Reform Subcommittee on Business and Labor. House Bill 194, "Allow PAVE Certification/Veterinary License," favorable and referred to the Commerce and Job Development Committee or subcommittee. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It will be re-referred to the Committee on Commerce and Job Development. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 181, "Physician Supervision Required For Nurse Anesthetist," favorable as the committee substitute number 2, unfavorable as to the committee substitute number 1. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute calendar, original bill unfavorable calendar. Representative Blust is recognized to send forth a committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust with the Judiciary Subcommittee A, House Bill 17, "Gun Permits/Restaurants and Confidentiality," favorable as to the committee substitute. Unfavorable as to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute bill calendar. Original bill, unfavorable calendar. Representative Moore is recognized--Ladies and gentlemen, this will be a report relevant to the Board of Governors vote. Representative Moore is recognized to send forth a committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Honorable Tom Tillis, Tim Moore, chair, Select Committee on UNC Board of Governors, Nominating. Subject, committee report on the nominees for the 2013 House selection for the vacancies on the Board of Governors on the University of North Carolina. Listed below are the nominees for consideration by the House of Representatives in the forthcoming election to the Board of Governors vacancies of the University of North Carolina under House resolution 81. The names of the nominees are listed in alphabetical order. Members of the committee adopted the slate of nominees at a meeting on March 19, 2013. Nominees: Roger H. Aiken, James M. "Jimmy" Barnes, Walter C. Davenport, James M. ??Dill, Jr., Henry Williams Hinton, Rodney E. Hood, Yvonne Wilson "Gidget" Kidd, Joe Thomas Knott, III, William Graham Champion Mitchell, James Edward "Jim" Nance, R. Doyle Parrish, Dr. Joan Perry, Irvin "Al" Roseman, Muriel W. Sheubrooks, George A. "G.A." Sywassink, Jr., Laura I. Wiley. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House. The following are the procedures for the Board of Governors elections. No nomination shall be received from the floor. In order to be elected, a nominee must receive the votes of a majority of all members present and voting. Each member present and voting shall vote for as many nominees as there are positions to be filled. And any ballot not so marked shall be deemed void. If fewer than 8 nominees receive the votes of a majority of all members present and voting, a run-off to fill the open position or positions shall be conducted among the nominees who were not elected but who received the highest numbers of votes cast. And the number of nominees eligible to be voted on in the run-off shall be twice the number of positions to be filled. If there is a tie for the last position between two nominees who are eligible for the next...

Nominees shall include, and the next runoff balloting needn’t be included in the next runoff balloting, even though there will be more than 2 nominees per available position. If more than 8 nominees receive the votes of a majority of all members present in voting then the 8 nominees receiving the highest number of votes should be deemed to be chosen. Ladies and gentleman of the house, the chair wants to emphasize perhaps some of the important rules I have read to you. First, any ballot that is cast that does not vote for 8 positions will be an invalid ballot. You must also sign the ballot. If you do not sign the ballot or you do not select 8 candidates, your ballot will not be reported. As I’m sure all of you are aware, the ballots are public record and will be available to the public at the time prescribed. At the conclusion of the ballot the tellers will be as follows: representative Dollar, representative Holloway, representative Bore, representative Samuelson, representative Saine, representative Hamilton, representative Hanes, representative Waddell, representative Cotham , and representative Carney. Sargent Ares?? will pass out the ballot at this time. There is one other clarification of the house come to order. When the clerk read in the committee report, regarding the candidates, there were candidates that have subsequently withdrawn. That was for information purposes to properly report and the committee report, but they are not included in this ballot. If you’re looking for them, they are not there for a reason. They did withdraw from consideration. The chairman also asks, just so I can keep track of picking up ballots that when a member has returned their ballot to the sergeant in arms, please just turn on your light. The sergeant in arms will actually do this a different way. When you are prepared to turn in your ballot please turn on your light. When all lights are on the sergent in arms will pass through the floor and pick up the ballots. We expect 118 ballots. The gentleman ?? state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do we mark this with an X, a check, do we fill in the blank? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The chair would suggest you mark with an x, a check or a circle. Ladies and gentleman of the house, the chair stands corrected, There are 2 members who have excused absences, there are also 2 members who have been excused from voting for certain rules. As members complete the ballot, please turn the microphone light on. Please illuminate your lights. When the count gets up to 116 we will know that all ballots are prepared to be ?? Just like some are already being picked up, I just want to make ??

that we have all 116 ballots in the hands of the sergeant at arms. If you have turned in your ballot, please turn on your light. The House will come to order. Members, if you have turned in your ballot, please turn on your light. On. On. As in illuminate, make it white, bright. Show up on the board. When all members have turned in their ballots, the queue on the board should be 116. Actually, the queue will be 115. I don't have a light up here. Someone just did it for me. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we do have all ballots in the hands of the sergeant at arms and- I apologize Rep. Hastings, apparently I've had a few pranksters out there. Ladies and gentlemen, just to save matters processing for the tellers who I think are still in the chamber, we are going to, without objection, move through the calendar. If we get to a vote, we will inform you that we're about to take a vote if you'd like to come back into the chamber before you've completed counting the ballots so that you can cast your vote. It would be House bill 230, on the bottom of the second page of the schedule, and any other bills that are on the back page of- any tellers that would have objection to even the debate occurring while you're out of the chamber, please report to the chair and we will skip over that until you return. At this time, all members may turn off their lights. The chair understands that all ballots have been turned over to Rep. Moore. The tellers may now exit to my office and my conference room for the vote count. Calendar, House bill 230, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 230, a bill to entitle an act to amend the law defining "home schools". General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Malone, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] H.B. 230, amend law defining home schools. Ladies and gentlemen, this does one thing and one thing only. There are- we're not taking any public funds, we're not writing any new regulation. All we're doing is allowing third parties to be involved in home schooling of the parents' children. Might be that somebody doesn't know math and need a math teacher. Perhaps a child is disabled and they need someone to help out in that regard. So that's what this does, and that's all it does. For those that wonder why people have been using third parties for a long time. Back in 1999, the director of the DNPE went to the attorney general's staff and asked for an unofficial ruling on whether or not third parties were okay and he said no, so they created a home school guidebook where it basically discouraged it, what we're doing is changing that, codifying it and clarifying it because they've been doing it all along, providing the same rights as anybody else and that's basically all we're doing. So I commend the vote and ask you to vote for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Stone, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, I stand in support of this home school bill

What we’re looking at, basically, is empowering the parents and helping the parents better educate the Homeschoolers. I also stand in support because it’s been great this year to see the Homeschoolers come by my office. If a lot of you’ve seen them, they’re in the halls. They’re walking. They went through the whole process of learning the process in Raleigh, which I think is great. It’s great too see the Homeschoolers that are here walking door to door. In a Committee, we even had a Homeschooler speaking in favor to the Committee on this Bill as well. I recommend the Bill and I hope you’ll vote for it. [Speaker]: Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [Representative Jones]: To debate the Bill. [Speaker]: The gentleman is recognized to debate the Bill. [Representative Jones]: Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentleman of the House, I rise in support of this Bill. I’m one of the Homeschool parents active in the General Assembly right now. I’ve been studying this issue pretty closely for at least 20 years. I just want to say that many of you have probably been inundated with some emails from the Homeschool Community in North Carolina. Many for it and perhaps some against. I just wanted to kind of raise your awareness and get your thoughts about this a little bit. I want you to understand that there are countries in the world today where Homeschooling is illegal. There are families around the world that are seeking asylum even now in the United States, simply because they desire to have the right to raise and to educate their children as they see fit. I want to be sympathetic with those letters from Homeschoolers that may have approached you against the Bill, because I will tell you, the Homeschool Community is diverse. Just as political parties and other large organizations. I just want to remind you that there are some 50,000 Homeschools now in North Carolina and over 100,000 Homeschool students. There’s not always one collective voice, but the North Carolina Home Educators and the North Carolina Coalition of Home Educators and many other groups are in support of this Bill. I will tell you that there is always some degree of skepticism or fear if you will, from the Homeschool Community any time legislators open up the law. Because they recognize that there are many places in the world and many governments that are very oppressive when it comes to family rights, parental rights in this way. I am sympathetic to those. I will tell you that, again, as someone who has met with Homeschool groups around this state and someone that has looked at this issue for a long time. I am very convinced that this Bill is good for education. It’s good for the citizens of North Carolina. It’s good for students. It’s good for Homeschoolers and I would commend the Bill to you. [Speaker]: Representative Martin, please state your purpose. [Representative Martin]: To debate the Bill. [Speaker]: The lady is recognized to debate the Bill. [Representative]: Thank you Mr. Speaker. I just rise to give you my perspective on this as one of the primary sponsors. Many of you know that I’m interested in rolling back government. I don’t want to add a lot regulations so I really questioned was this necessary. But in fact it is. It came at the request of the North Carolina Home Educators. It’s the fourth arm of government that’s the issue here. The book of regulations that goes along, the book for non-public education, which then takes our statute and adds all the regulations. Which is where it says, a parent or guardian not meeting this Homeschool legal definition which is that it’s the parent or guardian or member of the household who is teaching the core academic courses being defined as Language Arts, Math, Science and Social Studies. They would be in direct violation and would void his or her Homeschool legal status. This does change any of the other requirements for Homeschooling. Now there is supplemental instruction allowed that once the parent has given the instruction in the core areas, then they could go outside of their own skills for supplemental instructions. This is what is happening today in the Homeschool environment is that there’s many people taking advantage of Co-ops. There’s online classes available. There’s community college classes. There’s just a lot more resources than they had when we originally crafted this legislation. So all that we’re doing is improving outcomes for these students. Allowing the parents, who are still taking the full responsibility for the education of these children, to have the option to say, I can’t provide you with the training for calculus and I’m going to hire a tutor. They are still owning that. That’s what this Bill does and I recommend it to you. We’ve had great support and improve the outcomes for all of our children. Thank you. [Speaker]: Representative Adams, please stated your purpose. [Representative Adams]: Thank you Mr. Speaker. To speak briefly on the Bill. [Speaker]: The lady is recognized to debate the Bill.

[SPEAKER] Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen. I thought we’d better try to at least show that this is a bi-partisan concern. I've never been a home schooler. I am an educator and I've been involved in education for forty years. And one of the things that I've tried to do with my students is to make sure that they got the benefit of resources actually outside of the classroom, more resources than I could provide for them. I think that when you try to at least think that children can only learn from the teacher in the classroom, I think you’re really limiting them. As we talked about this bill in committee it seemed to me that as we always need to try to clarify what’s in the law. If it’s something in our statute that enables people to have a different interpretation, I think we have a responsibility to the citizens to make sure that everybody understands exactly what the expectations are. I think it’s a good bill. I think it will overall improve what we can provide for children and while I've never tried to teach at my children at home, I do have some things I've taught them at home. But I think that as we provide resources in classrooms, I think additional resources will be helpful to children who are home schooled as well. And I do support the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Please state your purpose? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the bill sponsor, Representative Malone, will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES ] Representative Malone, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. {SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Sir. I have been contacted by people on both sides of this issue. And the concern that is most often raised with me is the idea that this might open the door to additional government regulation rather than less. Have you assured yourself through the efforts of staff that allowing the additional sources of education would not open the state to determine the adequacy or determine what those other sources must be? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, the short answer to your question is yes. Also, I would point out that there’s nothing stopping anybody from regulating almost anything around here. You know that too. Now, as far as the home school guidebook and how it came to pass, some people are concerned about their freedoms and able to go forth and home school their children are worried about the regulation. This does nothing in the way of regulation at all. It just clarifies the language and your abilities to do what you need to do. There are some subsections in here that reference supplemental teaching and things like that. Those will be more than likely struck or clarified again when we pass this bill. And nothing will be done any differently for anybody. They’ll all know, however, what it is they can do as far as the home school is concern. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I thank the gentleman. Could I ask a question of Representative Martin? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Martin, does the lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You made mention of how there is, I got the impression that now if you use a third party person to help with home education, that that is in fact a violation of the law. And so there is question of one’s ability to continue to home school if you’re not able to say become competent in calculus, for example. Is that a correct understanding of the situation that it is now? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. And the work around is the supplemental instruction. In this guidebook it says the only sources of the academic instruction listed in the statute are parents, legal guardian or a member of the household in which the child resides. The only exemption given is for a two household home school arrangement. Therefore, the student receiving academic instruction from someone out the household would be in direct violation of the statute since academic instructors who do not live with the student are not included in the listing of the three types of persons. And then it says, once the parent or guardian each year has provided the initial foundation of instruction in the academic subjects, they may arrange with other persons if he or she wishes to provide supplemental learning activities. So in that case, I may be a parent who says, let me tell you about calculus as a higher math. But I don’t think that’s what’s intended here. And if we change that to the parent still assume full responsibility for the academic instruction of their students for the choosing and the sequencing. So I think it will not regulate what the parent is, that they are taking that responsibility not giving up to the state to check on them but they will be able to use the resources more freely

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Substitute to House Bill 249 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock machine, record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 249 has passed its second reading and without objection. It will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Committee Substitute to House Bill 249 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 249 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Representative Sarah Stevens is recognized to send forth Committee Report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Sarah Stevens, Judiciary Subcommittee C. Senate Bill 33 useo f criminal history records by license boards. Favorable reports. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 243 LEED self-storage facilities. Favorable as to Committee Substitute. Unfavorable as to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute Bill calendar, original bill unfavorable calendar. Representatives Jordan and McGrady are recognized to send forth Committee Report. Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Jordan and McGrady, Judiciary Subcommittee B. House Bill 199, increase judicatorial amount district court. House Bill 199 favorable report. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senate Bill 20, Good Samaritan Law and ?? on access. Favorable, House Committee Substitute, unfavorable as to the Senate Committee Substitute. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Committee Substitute calendar, Senate Committee Substitute, unfavorable calendar. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery upon motion from the gentleman from Alamance County, Representative Riddell, and on behalf of all the members to Polly, Representative Riddell’s wife and Reagan Riddell, they’re to my left up here. Please stand and let us welcome you. Members, also in the interest of time and perhaps not to require our colleagues to run in one more time before we go to another vote. I would like to go ahead and see if there are any notices or announcements members intend to provide later on. We can cover that. Are there any notices or announcements? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pierce, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the Legislative Black Caucus we will meet immediately after sessions over today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stone, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Committee on Government will meet in the morning at 10 o’clock room 415 ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moffitt, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members, the House Subcommittee on Occupancy Tax to the House Committee of Finance will meet in the morning at 9 a.m. in room 415. We’ll be taking up House Bill 193. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Steinburg, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my seat mate, Larry Pittman is celebrating a very special anniversary. It was 30 years ago today that he became an ordained minister so that is certainly a hallmark in his life and he does minister to us in the House as well. So I would recommend that we all give him a big hand and congratulations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I would like to also extend courtesies of the gallery to Representative Pittman’s wife, Tammy Pittman also to my left. Tammy, please stand and let us welcome you. Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To embarrass my wife, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As long as you embarrass her through the Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognzied for a point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] She told me not to recognize her but I appreciate you doing it and I just want to say, I wouldn’t be where I am without her. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Pointo f personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like the members to join me in congratulating Representative.

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…Torbett please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I intend to object to a third reading so that we can prepare an amendment to do just what we're talking about fixing, to allow it to be parental choice for the kids to attend a single school. That would be their option. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further Debate? If not the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute to House Bill 250 on it's second reading. All those in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, house committee substitute to House Bill 250 has passed it's second reading and will remain on the calendar. Representative Lucas, please state your purpose. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe that the Rules Chair will be able to announce the results. The Chair understands there is a tie that we will have another runoff ballet, but the Rules Chair will report those who are voted in and the procedure for the next vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the house, I'm going to read the totals of the votes for you and I'm going to start in the order of those who duly elected at this point. The top vote getter was Rodney Hood having received 105 votes. Second place was Henry Hinton, having received 93 votes. Third was Champ Mitchell, having received 88 votes. Fourth is Laura Willey, having received 83 votes. Fifth is Doyle Parish, receiving 82 votes. Sixth is Roger Achen, receiving 72 votes. Seventh is Joan Perry, having received 60 votes. In eight place is Jimmy Barnes, having received 57 votes, however, with 58 votes being necessary for majority, does not receive a majority of votes. Therefore, pursuant with the rules, Mr. Barnes will be in a runoff with the person in ninth place, being Jim Nance, who received 52 votes on the first ballet. That's the order of the seven who won on the first ballet and the runoff again will be between Mr. Barnes and Mr. Nanse. And Mr. Speaker, if I may, we have ballets that have been prepared for distribution to the members under the same procedure and the only two names that will be on those ballets will be Mr. Barnes and Mr. Nance and I do wan to remind the members the members, we did receive two ballets in the last process where the members did not vote for the eight members. This time it shouldn't be too simple. You just vote for one, and only one. So, with that being said, please remember to write your name, sign your name, and vote for one and only one person on your ballet if you want it to count. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Sergeant at Arms may pass out the ballets at this time. Members, again, please be sure to vote for one and only one candidate. If it is not marked clearly, the ballet will be deemed invalid and please sign your ballet. If the Sergeant at Arms will please go ahead and pass out the ballets, but rather then passing through the isles several times to pick them up, after all the members have illuminated their light, turned their light on, make it bright, the Sergeant at Arms will then come though one time and pick up the ballets and the tellers will be the same as were involved in the first count. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry of the Rules Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, does the gentlemen yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Rules Chair, how many of the people who were just elected, how many we Democrats? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I don't believe any were. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentlemen want to ask a followup? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to speak on the process [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be out of order until after the vote and gentleman will be recognized at that time. Ladies and gentlemen, upon the motion of Representative Whitmire of Transylvania County, the chair is happy to extend the curtesies of the gallery to school officials Superintendent of Schools, Dr, Jeff McDarris…

Assistant Superintend Dr Scott Elliot and Principal Mr. Jeremy Gibbs. Please stand and allow us to welcome. Members again after all lights are on the sergeant arms will be directed to proceed through the aisles after you have completed your ballot and you are ready to have it picked up. The sergeant arms will proceed through the aisle to pick up your ballot. Chair also understands that members who have been recused from the prior ballots would be recused from this as well. All members who have completed their ballots will please turn on your lights. If you have completed your ballots, please turn on your lights. The chair still sees four five lights that have not been illuminated. The chair assumes that member needs more time to complete the ballot. Members please leave you lights on until such time. We have live members who have not turned on their lights. Sergeant arms may now proceed through the aisles to my right all lights are on. We still have one light that’s not on. On the left side Rep Alexander, the gentlemen needs little more time to catch the ballot. Sergeant arms may now proceed through the chamber and collect the ballot. As the sergeant arms collecting the ballot and the teller retire to the conference rooms to make it little bit closer if e have to get you to vote, we are going to move on to the calendar. The chair understands that the members were interested in other votes.If the house could come to order. These are the votes total for those who are not nominated. Davenport 38, Neal 30, Knott 48, Roseman 38, Schwaznek 47, Wiley , was a candidate earlier. Members I would also tell you that the ballots are public records and they are available for inspection at the clerk’s office after the session today. Pagers, Looks like e are going to do some overtime today but your quitting time has just com come up at 5 o clock Thank you for your service today and we will see you tomorrow. You are now released. Any members who has not passed the ballot to the secant at arms, please indicate it this time. Chair understands that all ballots are in the possession of the rules chair. Rep Michaux, please state you purpose. [Speaker Changes] Speak on the process Mr. Speaker [Speaker Changes] Gentlemen will be recognized for a point of personal privilege and would advise the member of the rules related to the point of personal privilege. Gentlemen is recognized [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker and Ladies and gentlemen of the house. I refused to vote on the last vote and I did so simply because o the fact that when democrats were in power we saw to it that republicans were well represented in the board of governance . Have this travesty happened this afternoon did happen when no democrat with all guts support of the opposing party. It sort of sits, I don’t know it has a bad taste there. Every year when we had the board of governance meeting we came to you and asked

…who you favored. And we voted for them and kept them on the board. And not one Democrat was elected put of this House. And I think it’s just a doggone shame and a travesty that you ask us to help you. You talk about reaching across the aisle. This is no way in shape, form or fashion reaching across the aisle and asking for our help. I just can’t understand for the life of me, why we can’t get the same thing that we gave you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Mobley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady’s recognized for a point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My concern piggy-backs on what Representative Michaux had to say. This is my, beginning of my 4th term. And as I remember our former speaker when it came to being reasonably fair. And I particularly remember the last time we voted on the Board of Governors, him saying that you will vote for at least two Republicans, as we caucused. It concerns me greatly, my heart is heavy, as I think about some of the things that are coming down the pike, with regards to our communication boards. What are we coming to? Are we going to try to make everything right, and what’s just for the majority of the people in the state of North Carolina? You certainly don’t need to be here. And I’m including myself in that. If I can’t do what’s right, than the master will remove me. Because I know I came here to do his will. And for the people of my district. So I admonish you as we move forward in other decisions that we make, that we do the right thing and try to provide some equality for all people. Not Republicans, not Democrats, not black or white. But all people. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. And ladies and gentlemen, the Chair would remind members that in points of personal privilege there are limits as to what should be discussed. The Chair’s allowed a little bit of latitude in at least one or two comments, but the chair would be mindful of the rule. Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House and I just feel like I’m compelled to respond. We just went through an election for the Board of Governors. It was a nomination process, and I don’t believe anybody would argue that the people that have been elected are qualified. They’re eminently qualified. And, yes, you can argue which one of the people won, but they won by majority vote. But I would just remind you of one thing, the Republicans won the election, we’re in control, we intend to elect Republicans, and import Republicans, and we make no apology for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I wanted to ask Representative Mobley a question as… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pierce? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, now I heard you… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pierce, if the gentleman will yield… If the gentleman was rising to determine whether or not he could be recognized out of order, or to potentially anticipate what Representative Collins was going to say and ask him a question. The gentleman would be…

[Speaker Changes] The order otherwise you would be recognized in turn. [Speaker Changes] I would like to be recognized by the house [Speaker Changes] Gentlemen Rep Collins [Speaker Changes] No sir [Speaker Changes]Rep Collins has risen the chair had recognized him and the gentlemen would be recognized to speak . Rep Collins please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] can I ask Rep Mobley a question if I might [Speaker Changes] Rep Moffet, Rep Mobley I believe you [Speaker Changes] Rep Mobley, I believe that there were 17 vetos that the governor gave us in the last two sessions. How many of those did you vote over? [Speaker Changes] I can’t imagine. I don’t keep up with that [Speaker Changes] Thank you [Speaker Changes] Rep, Ladies and gentlemen the chair would ask the members to please be mindful of the use of time on the floor. The chair would recognize anyone who is in order. But the chair will strictly enforce the rules. Rep Pierce, Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] To appoint a privilege [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen is recognized to appoint a personal privilege [Speaker Changes] I have been speaking to the members of the house this afternoon. Mr Speaker Let me ask a question first? [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen may state his enquiry [Speaker Changes] I want to ask a question about Rep Starnes please [Speaker Changes] Rep Starnes Does the gentlemen yield [Speaker Changes] Mr Speaker [Speaker Changes] Rep Stam, Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] I have a parliamentary enquiry [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen may state his point of order [Speaker Changes] Under rule 8 may privilege be used to explain a vote? [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen is correct and in a postion I infer from the question, the chair is allowed some latitude, but the chair will more strictly enforce the rule going forward. Rep Starnes does the gentlemen yield? The gentlemen does not yield. Rep Pierce [Speaker Changes] appoint a personal privilege [Speaker Changes] is recognized right now to appoint a personal privilege [Speaker Changes] Speaker I like Rep Mobley I know you get [??] you don’t want to scope. This is a sad day at what we are hearing today and the attitude of the some of the members on the other side. I mean I think all of us come here to work together and I think we have made every attempt [Speaker Changes] Mr Speaker Point of order [Speaker Changes] Rep Stevens, Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] Is this appropriate you are just ruling that this is far from what we are discussing [Speaker Changes] The chair believes that may be wading in to a debate that does involve a vote on the floor using to appoint a personal privilege that is in appropriate and that is outside the scope of the point of personal privilege. [Speaker Changes] Mr Speaker [Speaker Changes] If the , Rep Lucas please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] inquiry of the chair [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen may state his inquiry [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr Speaker. Mr speaker is it possible that the previous remark can be spread across today’s journal [Speaker Changes] Rep Lucas without objection they could be [Speaker Changes] Objection [Speaker Changes] Objection having been risen . But the chair was also say Rep Lucas that they would have to be submitted in writing , but objection having been raised, they would not be spread across the journal. Rep Pierce. You have the floor for a period about minute and a half to appoint a personal privilege [Speaker Changes] Thank you speaker, As I was saying and Rep Lucas almost stood up. This is not a good attitude to have this afternoon. And I understand that the party in power has the right to do what they think is right. But the tone of it is what hits me. And I am amazed that [Speaker Changes] Mr Speaker [Speaker Changes] Rep stevens, Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] Point of order. Speaker, aren’t we going back to exactly the same comment we were before [Speaker Changes] we are. The chair acknowledge the point of order. Rep Pierce, the chair will still continue to give you a minute a minute and 20 seconds. But the chair wishes you to make sure you confine your remarks. I know there are emotion on this issue. The chair would also point out that cording to rule 11 any member who would like to record a protest on the proceedings the chair would encourage them to do so. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr Speaker for your time. I am just going to leave it alone because its obvious that this matter is going to keep coming. We have not had a good day today and the way it was going I just it was a sad day today for me as the others would say the attitude and the tone of some of the members would make such today is unbelievable. Thank you Mr Speaker [Speaker Changes] Rep Larry Hall please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] Question a privilege [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen is recognized to appoint a personal privilege [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr Speaker. Fellow house members. I am certainly going to confine my remarks to the reputation and the conduct of the members individually and in representative capacity only and speak specifically to the dignity and integrity of the house.

[Speaker changes.]...for the rules, all of us are bound by those requirements. And so sometimes we're gonna be put in a position where we can do what we wanna' do or what we know is right to do and I think that discussion was being had today. So as you read your rules and you look at rule eight, about the question of privilege, note how prominently the question of dignity and integrity of the proceedings is put in those rules. There's a reason for that and we're all bound by 'em...I didn't vote for 'em on the first day myself but, since the majority said that we should abide by those rules, I think you have now bound yourself and you owe yourself a responsibility to do that...and so, again, I think the minority is askin' the question...can we rely on you to abide by your own rules that you adopted. Thank you, Mister Speaker. [Speaker changes.] Ladies and gentlemen, the Chair has received the report from the Tellers and from the Rules Chair and the run-off election between Barnes and Nance???. Nance????? received 60 votes, Barnes received 55 votes. Nance???? would be the eighth nominee. Ladies and gentlemen, we will explain the process now. The...pursuant to Article 6, Section 5 of the North Carolina Constitution, the vote will be viva voce, which is a voice vote. All in favor of the election of the persons listed by Representative Moore, I'm explaining this so we will come back and put the question, will say aye and those opposed will say no. Now this voice vote preceeds that an electronic vote. The Chair anticipates that there will be people on both sides of the vote. The Chair will...would suggest to members, because we are goin' immediately to an electronic vote...I guess we could do a count on the voice vote but I wanted to assure you that there is also an electronic vote recorded after viva voce vote. Clerk is posting the question. The question before the House is the election of the persons listed by Representative Moore. Those in favor will say aye. (Ayes.) Those opposed will say no. (No's.) The ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it. The persons named or elected to the UNC Board of Governors...and I would make one point...that Representative Moore, the Chair did call out Representative Nance in that as a technical point. Now, this election will be confirmed with an electronic vote. All in favor will vote aye. All opposed will vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 84 having voted in the affirmative and 29 in the negative. The motion passes. The election of the newly elected UNC Board of Governors is confirmed and the Senate will be so notified. Messages from the Senate, the Clerk'll read. [Speaker changes.] Special ?????? from the Senate, Mister Speaker has ordered that the ???? be sent to your honor ???????? notify you that pursuant guests are ???? Resolution to establish procedure for nominating elected members of the Board of Governors, University of North Carolina is amended by SR 141, a Senate Resolution to amend procedure for nominating elected members of Board of Governors, University North Carolina. The Senate has elected the following individuals members of North Carolina Board of Governors: William M. ????? the third, Scott Lamp???, Stephen B. Long, Joan G. MacNeil???, Terrence O. Picket, Robert Sterling Rigby????, Harry Leo Smith, Junior, John ?????, respectfully Sarah ?????, principal ??????. [Speaker changes.] Ladies and gentlemen just to let you know we do intend to move through the remainder of the calendar. We have four bills remaining. [Speaker changes.]Mister Speaker? [Speaker changes.] Representative Floyd, please state your purpose. [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker, you responded before I had an opportunity to...

to raise my question to you. Given the flavor. May I inquire of the Chairman? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, given the tone of today, and I'm a little bit. I think I heard enough today. So, if the Speaker will be so kind, it would be ?? the chamber that he would carry these four bills over until tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Floyd, I appreciate your point, but I have assured a member of your caucus that we would carry some bills that they would like to have done today carried forward. So, the Chair doesn't anticipate a significant amount of time. After we get through that bill, we may consider leaving. The Chair doesn't want to keep you here too late. I did say four bills. I meant to say three bills, Representative Floyd and members. House Bill 255, Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for house bill 255. The bill being entitled an act to provide that certain courses and academic credit hours transferred to a constituent institution shall not be included in the calculation of credit hours for purposes of the tuition surcharge and to require that uniform procedures be implemented in the university of North Carolina system to provide appropriate advance notice to a student when the student is approaching the credit hour limit regarding the tuition surcharge. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Members, this is a bill that was sponsored by Representative Johnson and Holloway, and myself. It's a recommendation that came out of the fiscal division's review of the tuition surcharge policy of the last four years, and it was, I believe, unanimously passed at the education committee. It does two things. It simply provides that credit hours that a student has from a non-constituent university campus or community college that are coming in do not count for purposes of the tuition surcharge penalty, and the second is it requires the university to develop a uniform procedure of notice to students that they may be being close to being assessed a tuition surcharge so that they can make plans accordingly. It is agreed upon with the university, and I know of no opposition. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion. Further debate. Representative Adams, Please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. To ask the gentleman a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier, I think this is a good idea. I'm wondering if you had any thought about the time for the surcharge notification, and I mean an earlier period of time. Was that considered at all? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is, and that's part of, I think you and I had a brief conversation, and I've had conversations as a result of that with the president's office. And I believe they're going to try to put in place more than a semester's notice as people approach it. Since this bill will go into effect in the fall, there's no way to provide a notice beyond that. We're trying to get it passed fast enough. As soon as it's passed, they'll provide the notice. And the university's already working on their own policy pursuant to this to get out notices for the fall. [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I speak on the bill briefly, Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it's certainly a good idea. I've had some calls from students; and, having worked with students, oftentimes, when they get to that junior and senior year, if they're not made aware, I mean, I just personally think we need to be talking about making them aware and their parents, when they come in, because some of these totals can really add up. And, so, when you get into that semester before you graduate, and you see you owe four and five thousand dollars, you're not going to be able to do it. So, I think this is a good start, but I'm hearing from students who - they're not paying attention much when they get that notice those six or eight weeks out. And then the parents are calling because they didn't realize that they had these costs. The other thing I think it would do to have a very early notification of the surcharge is so that students can plan better. A lot of times, they incur these costs because they're taking more hours because they've changed their majors and they need to really think critically before they make those decisions to know that it's going to impact them financially down the road. So, I think it's a good start, and I hope that we're able to really resolve it so that the students really don't suffer in the end. Thank you.

Rep. Floyd, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Rep. Glazier will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Glazier, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Glazier, is it possible that this can be up front than before the student gets to his or her junior or senior year? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well thank you for the question Rep. Floyd. The notice of course is- there is a tuition surcharge police that's sent out before anybody even becomes a student so that they know in the handbook what tuition surcharge might be if they violate the rules, but this is to give students notice who're approaching or appear to be close to the 140 credit hour limitation so that they know if they exceed that they're going to get hit with a substantial penalty. So there's only so much notice you can do because it's for students who are approaching that position so that they're aware that they need to be very serious about what they're doing so there's a limit to how much notice you can give but students are aware of th existence of the policy from the beginning of their enrollment at the university if they read the handbook. Of course you and I know that most of the students don't necessarily read the handbook, but we can't do much about that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up Mr. Chair, would he yield for another question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So you're actually saying that this is the second- this will be the second notice. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This would be their- They're very specific student-directed notices as opposed to the general notice, that's correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the House committee substitute to House bill 255 on its second reading. All in favor vote "aye", all opposed vote "no", the clerk will open the vote. Members currently talking with each other may want to record. Representatives Davis and McNeill. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the House committee substitute to House bill 255 has passed its second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House committee substitute to House bill 255 on its third reading. All in favor say "aye". [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed say "no". The "aye"s have it. The House committee substitute for House bill 255 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House bill 257, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 257, a bill to entitle an act to amend the statutes governing a seed fund, to protect the privacy of information collected for the process of paying claims, to eliminate the fee paid by holders for filing an extension request to reduce the amount of paperwork required by holders and to improve the efficiency and effectiveness of processing holder reports. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Hurley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the General Assembly. This bill comes to us from the treasurer's office, it's an agency bill, and what it does, it limits public disclosure of information held by the treasurer to the names and last known address of owners and holders of unclaimed property. It's to clarify that cash must always be reported as unclaimed property so that the people can receive that back. It eliminates requirements for a holder of unclaimed property to file an affidavit with reports and certifications of compliance and it eliminates a $10 processing fee paid by holders of unclaimed property for an extension of time to file the report on unclaimed property. I would appreciate your support. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House bill 257 on its second reading. All those in favor vote "Aye", all those opposed vote "no", the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, House bill 257 has passed its second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House bill 257 on its third reading. All in favor say "aye".

All opposed say no. The ayes have it, House Bill 257 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Senate Bill 84, the Corporal read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee subject presented Bill 84, billed to be entitled, an actor required the cancellation of an aircraft labor and storage lien, when insured, he bought an amount equal to one-and-one-fourth-times the amount of the lien claimed is deposited with the clerk of court. General Senate North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Debra Ross, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, this is Senator Clodfelter's bill, and it just provides for the cancellation of an aircraft labor or storage lien upon the payment of a bond. We allow the payment of a bond in these disputes for any other kind of personal property, but aircraft were not included. And so, all this let's you do is if you're having a dispute over the payment of, payment for repairs or whatever, is to let you pay a bond during the dispute and be able to use your plane. So that the bond could cover whatever the resolution would be, and we have that for cars and for others things, but we don't have it for airplanes, and so this just conforms the law for airplanes, I'd appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the Senate Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 84 on its second reading, all those in favor will vote aye, all those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 114 having voted affirmative and none in the negative, the Senate Committee Substitute presented Bill 84 has passed its second reading, and without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Senate of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the Senate Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 84 on its third reading, all in favor say aye, all opposed say no, the ayes have it. Senate Committee Substitute for Senate Bill 84 has passed its third reading and will be enrolled and sent to the governor. The House will be at ease. [PAUSE] Ladies and Gentlemen, the chair's trying to determine if we can, what we're gonna do with session time tomorrow if the House will be at ease for just another moment. [PAUSE] Notices and announcements? Representative Cleveland, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members of the Homeland Security and Military Committee, we are gonna meet at noon tomorrow. We have two bills, please be there promptly, we will have about 25 minutes to take care of these two bills. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Full Appropriations Committee will meet tomorrow at 8 o'clock, at 8 o'clock in room 643 and all members with your own full appropriations or not, are invited to be there and hear the presentation of the Governor's budget. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Republicans will have a caucus upstairs in the auditorium at 6:15, that'll give the members time to go to a reception before returning to hear a guest speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a further announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As I have been reminded, you should have your budgets by now, your budget book, so be sure to bring that if you want to have the budget with you while they're making the presentation, bring your books with you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McElraft, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Environment will have our first meeting in

from 6:43 at 10 am speaker: representative Hastings please state your purpose 15 seconds of personally privilege speaker: Mr Jones is recognized for a point of personal privilege. I'm saddened again today to announce that an eighth marine from the second marine expeditionary force was killed in the training in Nevada speaker: further notices and announcements? representative Moore is recognized Moore: Mr speaker I do announce that the house reconvene on Thursday March 21st 2013 at 12:30 pm. Speaker: Representative Moore moves 2nded by Representative Malone and the house due now to reconvene on Thursday March 21st at 12:30 pm all those in favor say I all appose no the I's have it the house stays adjourned