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House | July 24, 2014 | Chamber | Session

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House session: Speaker1: The House will come to order. Members please take your seats, visitors please retire from the chamber. Members and visitors in the gallery observe silence and please switch off your phones and personal electronic devices. Now it’s time to close the doors. The prayer will be offered by Representative Tom Murray .Members and visitors in the gallery please stand and please remain standing for the pledge of allegiance. Speaker changes: Please meditate and pray with me, Proverb Chapter iii, verses13: 326. Happy is the man that findeth wisdom and the man that geteth understanding for the merchandise of it is better and the merchandise of silver and again, xxx find gold. She is more precious than babies and all the things thou canst desire cannot be compared unto her. Xx of the days in the right hand and in her left hand riches and honor. Her ways are ways of pleasantness and all her paths are peace .She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her and happy is everyone who retaineth her. the Lord by wisdom hath founded the earth by understanding hath He established the heavens .By His knowledge the x are broken up , the clouds drop down the dew. My Son, let them not depart from Thine eyes keep wisdom and discretion. So shall they be until life thus sow and xx to that net. Then shalt thou walk in Thy way safely and that foot shall not stumble. When thou liest down thou shalt not be afraid and thou shall lie down and that sleep shall be sweet. Be not afraid of certain fear, neither of the less?? relation of the wicked when it cometh for the Lord shall be thy confidence and shall keep thy from being taken. Amen. Speaker changes: The pledge of allegiance.[“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America … justice for all.”all join in the pledge]Representative Moore is recognized . Speaker changes: Mr. Speaker the journal for Wednesday July 23, 2014 has been examined and found to be correct. I wish to move this xx.. Speaker changes: Representative Moore moves the journal for July 23, just now read ??all in favor say aye, all opposed no. The ayes have it. Journal xx is moved. Xxxx?? Speaker changes: Chapter on bills to be noted. Speaker changes: Ladies and gentleman the chair is happy to extend a welcome and a thank you to the nurse of the day. The nurse of the day is from Greensborough, Wendy McArtney. Please stand, thank you for your service[applause].Reports of standing committees and permanent subcommittees. Representative Tim Moore is recognized to send forth the committee report, clerk will read. Speaker changes: Representative Tim Moore rules calendar in operations of the House Committee report. Senate bill 788, town of Duck eminent xx favorable, Senate bill 877 exempt time shares, rule against xx favorable. Speaker changes: Counter. Speaker changes: Representative Collins is recognized to send forth committee report. Clerk will read. Speaker changes: Representatives Jeff Collins, state personnel . Speaker changes: Senate bill 376 committee substitute number one, Land owners, lessees may trap coyotes; favorable to House committee substitute unfavorable to Senate committee substitute. Speaker changes: House committee substitute counter, Senate committee substitute unfavorable counter. Representatives Howard, Will Brawley, Louis and Setzer are recognized to xxx committee report. Clerk will read. Representative Lousy, Howard, William Brawley, David Louis, Representative Setzer finance committee report House bill 77, subcommittee substitute number 1, Street?? Savings funds, trust funds, scholarships , favorable for concurrence. Speaker changes: Counter. Speaker changes: House bill 101, special license xx development process ,favorable for concurrence and re-referral .Bills counter and operations of the House.[pause] Representative Horn is recognized to send forth a conference report, the clerk will read.

To the President of the Senate, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the conferees appointed to resolve the differences between the Senate and the House of Representatives on Senate Bill 793, a bill to be entitled ‘An Act to Provide that a Teacher Employed by a Charter School may Serve as a Nonvoting Member of the board of Directors for the Charter School, to Amend the Date by which the Board of Education Shall make Decisions on Charter School, Applications, to Allow a Charter School to Expand One Grade Higher than Charter School Currently Offers, to Require Charter Renewals for Ten Years’. The Senate and House agreed to the following amendment to the House committee substitute, favorable 6/23/14, fifth edition engrossed June 26th 2014. The Senate concurs and the House committee substitute is amended. Delete the entire House committee substitute favorable June 23rd 2014 for the edition engrossed June 26th 2014 and substitute the attached proposed conference committee substitute, Senate Bill 793 PCS 45224RQ3. The conferees recommend that the Senate and the House of Representatives adopt their support. They the conferees approved report July 24th 2014. Conferees for the Senate, Senator Jerry W. Tillman, Chair, Senator Dan Soucek, Senator Warren Daniel, Senator Bill Rabon. Conferees for the House of Representatives, Representative Craig Horn, Chair, Representative Jon Hardister, Representative David R. Lewis. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar without objection for today’s – [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection having been raised, Representative Moore is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, we move that the rules be suspended so that the conference report can be added to today’s calendar and would ask to be recognized for that purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, members, and I respect my good friend from Mecklenburg who objected to the bill being added to today’s calendar but would ask that if there’s objection, the bill voted up, voted down, but we’re trying to move bills along so that we can get out of here, and we’re trying to deal with a schedule and we’re trying to have a short week. Next week we don’t know what days precisely at this point we’ll be back, and so the more we can dispose of today and not have to be here for example tomorrow would probably be beneficial, so I would ask the body to vote affirmatively to allow the bill to be added to today’s calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion? The motion by Representative Moore is to suspend the rules so that Senate Bill 793 could be added to today’s calendar. All in favor vote aye. Representative Cotham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair has already called the vote but will extend the courtesy after having called the vote. The lady has the floor. The lady will be the only member recognized for that purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members, and I certainly do understand wanting to get rid of bills and move forward, but we did have a whole week and weeks and weeks that we could have looked at this issue, and my reason for objecting to this conference report as a conferee and someone who was in the conferences, simply that my caucus has not seen this conference report. This just came up. There are some changes, I think there are some public issues that we should discuss, and so I would request that my caucus and really everyone have the opportunity to read this conference report, to see it because we all to have something at stake here, and so I would ask you to vote no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The question before the House is the motion to suspend the rules so that Senate Bill 793 may e added to today’s calendar. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 69 having voted in the affirmative, 36 in the negative, the motion passes. I’m sorry, the Chair stands corrected. The motion… Chair stands corrected. I had the calendar wrong. The motion fails. It required two-third majority. Ladies and gentlemen, it is the intent of the Chair – and the lady’s points well-taken in terms of the additional time. It is the intent of the Chair to dispose of this conference report the week, which may be, and there may be other matters that will necessitate that anyway, but most

Likely our Friday session. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Clerk will read the other conference report. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To the present of the Senate, the Speaker of the House of representatives, the conferees appointed to resolve the differences between the Senate and the House of Representatives on Senate Bill 163 a bill to be entitled and act to designate reclaimed water as a source of water under certain conditions House Committee Substitute favorable June 18, 2014 fourth edition engrossed, June 19th, 2014 submitted the following report: The senate and the House agreed to the following amendment to the House Committee Substitute favorable June 18th, 2014, Fourth edition engrossed June 19, 2014. The Senate concurs and the House Committee Substitute has amended. Delete the entire House committee substitute favorable June 18, 2014, fourth edition engrossed June 19, 2014 and substitute the attached proposed committee, proposed conference committee substitute Senate Bill 163 PCCS35587SP3 the conferees recommend that the Senate and the House of Representative adopt this report. Date conferees approved report, July 24, 2014. Conferees for the Senate, Senator Fletcher Hartsell, Chair Senator Brent Jackson, Senator Andrew Brock, Senator Jim Davis, Senator Gene McLaurin. Conferees for the House of Representatives, Representative Andy Wells chair, Representative Catlin, Representative Samuelson, Representative Brisson. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection to be added to today’s calendar. So ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Charles Graham please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. Mr. Speaker I would like to be recorded as voting no on the previous vote, 793 [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as voting no. Introduction of bills and resolutions the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House resolution 1277, House resolution honors the life and memory of Representative James Spencer Jim Fulghum III M.D. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Counter present roll 32-A for today’s counter. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Messages from today’s Senate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Special message from the Senate. The following special message was received from the Senate. Senate Bill 763 Committee Substitute second edition will to be entitled an act to make technical and clarifying changes to various revenue laws. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The following special message was received from the Senate. Senate bill 859 Committee Substitute second edition will to be entitled and an act relating to municipal regulation of vacation and other transient occupancies. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rules, counter operations of the house. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentleman House Resolution was just added to the calendar it will be the first item we take up. House resolution 1277 will be the first item we take up. House resolution 1277 the Clerk will read. And the Clerk will read the resolution in its entirety. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House resolution honors the life and memory of Representative James Spencer, Jim Fulghum III M.D. Whereas, James Spencer Jim Fulgham III was born on April 29th 1944 to James Spencer Fulgham Jr. and Margret Ray Stanton-Fulgham in Raleigh North Carolina. And whereas Jim Fulghum graduated from Needham B. Broughton High School where he met his future wife Mary Susan Kirk and from North Carolina State University where he majored in zoology and whereas Jim Fulgham and his wife attended medical school together. The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and graduated in 1971. And whereas Jim Fulgham completed an internship and residency in neurosurgery at Duke Medical Center during which time he served as a member of the National Guard Reserves and whereas Jim Fulgham was a neurosurgeon for 35 years practicing with the Raleigh Neurosurgical Clinic, Triangle Spine and Back Care Center and Carolina Rehabilitation and Surgical Associates. And during the early 1980’s serving as Chief of Surgery at Wake Medical Center. And whereas Jim Fulgham served his profession as a member of the American Association of Neurological Surgeons, The Roster Medical Society, The Raleigh Academy of Medicine and North Carolina Medical Society and whereas Jim Fulgham served his country as a member of the United States Army Reserves for 18 years which included his service as an active duty field neurosurgeon in Saudi Arabia near the Iraqi border as part of the Operation Desert Storm during the early 1990’s and retired from duty with the rank of Major and whereas Jim Fulgham served with honor and distinction in the House of Representatives during the 2013 General Assembly where he focused on issues relating to healthcare and served on committees that included: Appropriation subcommittee on health and human services, commerce and job development sub-committee on biotechnology and healthcare, health and human services regulatory reform and insurance as a vice chair. And whereas in

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For all of us. And we can always take that example, put it in our hearts, put it in our lives and let it help us live out our days so that one day when we pass, folks can look at us and say – that’s the type of life god intends for us to live. He exemplified that in all ways and I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, Jim Fulghum was an overnight success in politics. At least that’s the way it looked to the outside world. He ran for office, he won and he came to sit in this seat to my left. But, for those of us in Wake County, we know that Jim Fulghum spent a lot of time in politics. It was in the background. He was a very strong supporter and he was someone you could count on. And even through those years when he built up those connections and those bases of power, if you wanna refer to him that way, I don’t know that I have ever met a more humble, self-effacing man. He worked for his state and cared so much for the people that he came here to legislate for and he spent 35 years of his life healing in a literal sense. And, we’ll speak a lot of [flowy], glowing words here but none of them can really capture the essence of who the man was and what he leaves behind with his family and with all the people’s lives that he touched in the years that he served as a healer, a legislator, a supporter of the art and I would just ask that we would all in some small way try to emulate the life that Jim Fulghum lived. I recommend that resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Grier Martin is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Members, like some of the folks here, I had an opportunity to know Jim before his overnight success in politics. I came to know him as Emily’s dad. Emily and Patrick are good friends of Louise and mine and was pleased to see that Jim sought to represent which, before ?? was a portion of ?? district. And it’s a portion of ?? district that I think was much happier having Jim represent them than they were with my representation. But Jim, as you may already have known or have learnt since his passing as we do with people who have passed, we review their accomplishments and their lives. Jim was a soldier who volunteered to serve in desert storm; clearly he had the heart of a soldier. What you may not know is that he also had the kidney of a soldier. His son-in-law, Patrick Roberson was a dentist with 82nd airborne division and gave his kidney to Jim. So you can see that Jim’s legacy is perpetuating itself in the kind of a person that his daughter married. Heart of a soldier, kidney of a soldier; but in the end the reason we love Jim and what made him such an effective legislator was that he had a heart full of compassion. Whether you viewed him as a compassionate conservative, I don’t know but his compassion is an example that those of us on the left and on the right should seek to emulate. Mr. Speaker, I almost regret that we’re doing this resolution now. I enjoy these resolutions many times when they’re a year after the passing of a dear one because we can look back and cry a little bit more but also laugh and I’m just not in a mood to laugh about Jim’s passing right now at all. But I can tell you that in the end even after all his work in the community as a doctor, as a volunteer, as a soldier and here in the General Assembly; in the end, Jim’s legacy is gonna live on in his family and if you haven’t already, I’d like to encourage you to meet his granddaughter, Margret Roberson who is a force of nature in her own right and may very well end up here in a few decades and I think she could possibly be just as good as her granddaddy was. As the speaker protem, my friend from Wake County said it would be nice if we could have 73 or 120 Jim Fulghums. Regretfully, that’s an impossibility but if all 120 of us can seek in some small way to emulate Jim’s compassion, this would be a lot better place. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Millis is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a tremendous honor.

Privileged that I get a chance to rise up and speak a little bit about Dr. Fulghum. As a fellow freshman legislator, it's very unfortunate that I've only been able to spend two years with Dr. Fulghum, and really all the stories and all the actual perspective, all the insight in his character and integrity, I've only had the ability to actually experience that over this last twenty four months or less. But I do want to share with you one story that is really ingrained in my mind and it's kinda burned in my heart that really represents a lot of Dr. Fulghum's character. I don’t know if you all remember, but there was a bill that came before us, it may be one of the first bills that Dr. Fulghum had the opportunity to bring before the rest of the body, and that was House bill 105. Which had a Senate companion, Senate bill 98 that actually made it into session law, but Dr. Fulghum brought before us Senate bill 105, which had to do with the actual screening of newborns to be able to reveal aspects of some possible heart issues. And I don't know if you recall or not, but the bill was actually heard on a Thursday, and because of the nature of the bill, it was only able to be heard a, for a second reading, a third was not allowed on that very same day. And Dr. Fulghum stood up and asked the speaker, why is there not a third reading? And I think it was basically kinda put out there from Representative Moore that it had to be heard separately on a third day, by the rules. And Dr. Fulghum stood up and asked for a suspension of the rules. And there were some murmurs, some clamoring, well it might not be good to suspend the rules for this one bill, just kinda be patient, kinda wait on that aspect, but I really think it shows a lot about Dr. Fulghum's character, and the fact that he had a tremendous sense of urgency of the lives that that bill would have protected. The infants that were being born that could have had that screening and the ability for doctors to be able to realize there may be initial, an actual initial heart defect and for them to be able to save that child's life. And the ironic thing about it is that Dr. Fulghum stood here asking for a suspension of rules because of those children and their lives, that who would have known that his very life was in question at that time. I think it shows a tremendous aspect about his character and integrity, and I'm very humbled to have the opportunity to serve with him. He was a, a tremendous, and an actual great man. I commend the resolution to you mister Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the House. As the bible says in Ecclesiastes, there's a time for everything under the earth, a season for every purpose, a time to be born, and a time to die. Dr. Fulghum, you've heard from the testimonies here, certainly taught us how to live, but he certainly taught us how to die. Rarely have I seen a man touch as many people in the way that he died. And the beautiful service that he had yesterday at his funeral was just a living testimony to the type of person he, he was. We have, we have all benefited from his life, and I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Murry is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. I got to know Dr. Fulghum before I was in politics, I, I'm sure, I'm very confident he was politically active, but I got to know him as a prescriber. And, and got to know his patients, mutual patients that we shared. I'm gonna miss him as a, as a physician, in this body. We don't have, we don't have another physician that's gonna serve, that's running to serve. We're not gonna have that in the entire general assembly for the next three years. Mark Hollo's physician assistant, he's retiring this year. I don't like being the only guy that knows stuff about medicine in this body. It's nice to have someone else we can rely on. And we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna miss that in the next, throughout the rest of this session and the next biennium. But I got to know Dr. Fulghum through mutual patients, and not every patient likes their doctor. Everybody liked Dr. Fulghum. Everybody. And he was a real entrepreneur but a real caregiver, and he gave care to us. How many, I, I won't ask you to raise your hand, but how many, how many of you folks got a prescription written by Dr. Fulghum while we were in session? He took care of us. He took care of us. Okay. And I think we need to lift his family up in our prayers on a continual basis as they deal with this and the state of North Carolina lost a caregiver this, this past, in the past seven days. And we celebrate his life, and I commend the resolution.

...motion to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Farmer-Butterfield is recognized to debate the Resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I served on Health and Human Services, the full Appropriations Committee, and Regulatory Reform with Dr. Fulghum. He and I often spoke about issues of importance. We talked about issues for Medicaid to infant screening to people intellectual disabilities, and indeed tanning beds. We compared notes and we often respected each other’s opinion regardless of party. To me, he was a kind spirit who felt good about himself and within himself and the state of North Carolina is far better off because of his services to this body and to his patients. Everyone who was at his visitation, this week, can attest to the fact that he was a very special and important gentleman. How many people would stay in line for one or two hours at a visitation to acknowledge the family and express honor and appreciation for such a gentleman as Dr. Jim Fulgham. I am so honored and pleased that I had an opportunity to get to know him and become a colleague and a friend. Thank you. I commend the Resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is indeed an honor and a privilege to be able to just stand and say a word about our friend, Jim Fulghum. I primarily got to know, of course, during the past term. We did work together a lot primarily on health issues and that’s mainly what he would be remembered for, but he also had a passion and the knowledge on a wide array of issues and we worked on some other things as well. I may be a bit biased about it, but I tend to think that doctors make good legislators. We’re not really trained in rhetoric, but we are trained in fact and look at facts and try to make good determinations. Unfortunately we don’t have very many healthcare providers in the General Assembly, we are greatly outnumbered by the attorneys. All joking aside, Dr. Fulghum and I talked about that at times and as I said, it was a pleasure to get to know him and to work with him. I will say that I had the opportunity to have an extended conversation with him just after he had his last procedure done and the diagnosis at that point was apparent, it was...he knew what that meant and I knew what that meant and we had a conversation together about our faith and I would say that Dr. Jim Fulgham is remembered as a great physician, small g, small p, but he knew the Great Physician, large g, large p. He knew his lord and has been said earlier, was certain an example to us in his life and I think he was an example to us in his death and the way that he approached that and, Mr. Speaker, I do commend the resolution, [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Cunningham is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. About a couple weeks ago I came in and I had a toothache and I called Dr. Fulgham’s son-in-law, and of course I couldn’t get him and I was hurting so bad, and I said, lord let me go over here and find out who can help me. I went over to Dr. Fulghum and asked him to write me a prescription and he looked at me and asked me all the things that you ask about the allergies and things like that, and he went ahead and wrote and told me what to do. I looked at him and I said, Dr. Fulghum, did you support my resolution on the suicide prevention and he said, yes, I did, Representative Cunningham and I said thank you very much. But I noticed he was a little slow getting this prescription. I didn’t how bad his condition was, but anyway, I went on and I did what I needed to do and then I found out that he had gotten sick and lo and behold, on the same day his service was, I was unable to get down here because that same tooth I had to go have it pulled. I thought it was such a coincident that there he was to service me and he did just that, and that’s what people do that are in health care. That’s the compassion that comes about. They never stop caring. They don’t care where you come from, they don’t care where you end up, and he was that type of person because, people may not know, but we did have conversations...

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was the man that I knew as a young man in high school. What a tribute to say that he lived the life that he ended with, that he started with. He changed lives; life didn’t change him. What a man. I was moved yesterday by several speeches that were made by the witnesses, and I hope those of you that were there were too. They were all three different. They all three gave a different perspective of the life of Representative Dr. Jim Fulghum, but I want to tell you he was in my office a couple of times, sharing with me ?? who also attended ??. Several of the stories from back then jog my memory. We had several good laughs, several good laughs from those days there, but I will say that on this Earth when we live, we encounter a bright star among us, and when there’s a bright star on this Earth, you can be assured that they’re an even brighter star in the heavens. I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Steve Ross is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You hear the term “go-to guy” a lot, and I’ve heard that said about Jim. Jim sat right behind me and became my go-to guy because I always valued his opinion. He was one of the smartest individuals that I knew. He also became my friend, and Jim was one of the most sincere, compassionate, sincere individuals that I’ve ever known, and the other night when I was at the church and stood in that line that was mentioned a few moments ago, I had a lot of time to talk to a lot of different people. I talked to friends, I talked to colleagues, I talked to patients, I talked to people that had gone to school with Jim, and the description that each and every person would give of Dr. Fulghum was exactly the same. People that went to school with him loved him. Patients loved him. Just a tremendous, tremendous outpouring of how people felt about what this man really was. I had my opinion that I had formed and as I said earlier, sincere, dedicated. He was just a great guy, but that was confirmed many, many times over the other night by so many people from so many different parts of Jim’s life, and walking away from it, walking back to the building the other night, I was thinking what a man, what a doctor, what a father and what a Representative and true public servant. I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hollo is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we hear in a read about the many accomplishments of Jim, reminds me of some words from the book of Matthew: “Well done, thou good and faithful servant.” I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Wells is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Jim Fulghum was a healer, but he was more than that. He was also a warrior. A lot of us are here today because of work he did over the last 20 and 30 plus years, in Wake County or across the state. Some of you might not agree with his philosophical inclinations; I for one was glad we agreed most of the time. I certainly didn’t want to be on the other side of Jim Fulghum in a debate or any kind of fight. He was the kind of guy you could go to. Years ago before there was a Fox News or an internet or any other way for a diverse media, some groups here, some folks here decided we needed to diversify our local media a little bit, so they looked at buying a local radio station, a pretty powerful local radio station. You needed money to do that. You needed commitment. You needed folks with a backbone because this was not a community

And you are making modifications. You would have to go back through the entire industrial area, environmental process. And let me see there's one more I want to touch base on. Yes. I was just asked, actually about part four. This was another one added by Senate. And this, I've seen this too. And this is prevalent in a lot of counties in North Carolina that are close to metropolitan hubs. It's close to... it actually happens in a metropolitan center of large scales that we have blotted areas or areas that suffer. Even though they're somewhat close to metropolitan, but they're not that close. You might be out more rural settings. I'll give ya, ?? for example. My guess is if you drive to southwest corner of Wake County, it won't look like uptown Raleigh here. It's probably more rural. It's probably more agricultural in nature. And the Senate said, well for those areas, we'd like to be able to do is provide opportunities for them also. And so this allows the economically disadvantaged in rural areas to access the red building reuse funds. All of this is an attempt to go out throughout North Carolina from one end to the other. Provide opportunity to re-access existing structures. Which we all have in our areas. I don't think it singles out one part of the state over another. I don't think it singles out one city over another. It doesn't single out one county of over. It puts us all in the same boat. And I appreciate your vote of concurrence. [SPEAKER CHANGES] What purpose does the gentleman from Durum, Representative Glubki, rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Torbald would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Gaston yield to the gentleman from Durum? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker it would be a pleasure. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Thank you Representative. Torbald. Do you remember when we passed this bill in 2013. How long the bill was? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think it was about half of a page of the front page. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well do you not think it's a problem that we have a half page bill that comes form the Senate. I mean that goes over to the Senate and comes back as a five page bill. Is that not really undermining our House process in terms of knowing what's in a bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I understand the question in it's entirely and Representative Bilukie, I think there's a lot of problems with our process. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Absolutely sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, sir, since we're on the motion to concur on House Bill 201, my question is are there not many items here that are added to the bill that you've talked about that really none of us has ever seen in the House? [SPEAKER CHANGES] As far as seen in the House, I don't, I can't speak on that behalf. If you were watching bill come out of the Senate then there was, not months and months of opportunity, but there was enough opportunity to get in there and actually make some corrections of other items that were removed from the bill. But all the items that are in the bill are still Germain to the usefulness of existing structures without putting an additional capital burden for impact onto those people that might use those buildings. If that makes any sense what so ever. Thank you for the question, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I speak on the motion? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Durum has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, Representative Torbald has acknowledged the bill has really grown a great deal. And a lot of items here that while he attempted to explain them to us, really we've not seen those items to be able to read them and study them. And as I understand the rewrite, and have just gotten a summary of the bill today. As I understand the rewrite, it really hurts us in a number of ways, perks of state, in a number of ways. Number one being that the energy efficiency codes are weakened in one part of the bill, which simply means that we've got buildings that will not reach the standards of energy efficiency that we otherwise have. That's not good for us to weaken energy efficiency codes in our state. Those codes that are set out by the North Carolina building council. That's one area. Secondary is that, the storm water requirements are weakened.

He found out that I ran against a doctor in my primary and I beat him. That was our first long conversation and he was really interested in that. I knew if he’d have been the opponent, there’s no way I would have won. But this particular doctor I did win, and that was our first long conversation. We talked about politics and we talked about our careers and he seemed as interested in mine as I was in his even though I didn’t know half of what he was talking about. When we get in here on certain bills, especially anything that had to do with medicine, I would weigh, man I would listen to anything this guy said because I knew I knew nothing. I was a, let’s see, I got a first aid merit badge and that was about it. But he would look at me and ask me when it come to local government and local bills. I don’t think he really needed my help, but I was glad to tell him how to vote. We had a great time with that and joked about it and everything. It was a joy, last summer, to go down to his farm and he cooked some awesome barbecue, I can tell you that. We had a great time there and it’s been a joy to serve with him here. Sorry. I’d have sworn to say one more thing if I could get it out. Sorry. The last thing he said to me was something he said to me several times. Peace be with you my son, peace be with you Dr. Fulton. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the adoption of House Resolution 1277. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 110 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, House Resolution 1277 has been adopted and will be ordered printed. Ladies and gentlemen, the chair wishes to extend, on behalf all the members, our condolences and our gratitude to the following family members. Dr. Mary Susan Faltum, Jim’s wife. Emily Robertson, daughter. Margaret Robertson, granddaughter. And Molly Heights, daughter. Please accept our condolences. Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I would move that the words spoken on House Resolution 1277 be spread across the journal. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So ordered. House Bill 1044. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1044, An Act to Make Changes to the Averasboro Township Tourism Development Authority. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to state his motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I move that the House do concur in the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 1044. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, this is a purely local bill. There was no controversy. The Senate merely a small technical change and I would ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion? If not, the question before the House is the motion to concur in the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 1044.

All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will now record the vote. 107 having voted in the affirmative, we have one in the negative. The motion passes, the House has concurred in the Senate committee substitute for House Bill 1054. It will be ordered and rolled. I'm sorry, that was 1044. House bill 1054, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES]House bill 1054, an act to authorize the town of Spindale and the Cape Fear public utility to attach personal property, garnish wages and place leans on certain real property to collect unpaid fees for sewer availability. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The clerk will read the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator McKissick moves to amend the bill on page one, lines two through three, deleting the phrase “and the Cape Fear Public Utilities Authority” and on page one line sixteen through twenty eight by deleting those lines and by renumbering the remaining bill section accordingly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hager, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Mr. Speaker. To speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has to make a motion and to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Appreciate the correction. I would ask that the House not concur on this amendment. Representative Catlin had asked me so graciously to put a piece in this and I want to honor him on this ?? to conference so we can put this piece back in. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman's recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Actually, Representative Hager it was me that asked for it. And I'd ask not to concur, because that language was something that I asked to specifically include by the Cape Fear Public Utility Authority. Thank you, Representative Hager. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion. If not, the question before the House is the motion to not concur and send the amendment to the House committee substitute of House bill 1054. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will record the vote. Ladies and gentlemen a vote not to concur is a green vote. The clerk will now record the vote. 109 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, the motion passes. The Senate will be so notified. Ladies and gentlemen, the chair understands that there may be some discussion with members who voted against the motion to suspend the rules about subsequent consideration of the conference report that we discussed earlier. We will most likely take a recess and have that discussion and determine whether or not we will be able to gain consensus on it, add that to the calendar. The chair is also going to skip over House bill 1059. The chair understands the bill's sponsor may have a few things he'd like to work out before we move forward with it. So, we will move to House bill 1155. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1059, an act to modify the New Hanover occupancy. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will yield. It will be House bill 1155. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1155, an act adding certain described property to the corporate limits to the Village of Pinehurst and authorizing the village to levy special assessments to met the cost of construction of a storm water management system to serve the property added. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will read the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Tillman moved to amend the bill on page 2, line 26 by rewriting the line to read, “Section 3, this act becomes effective July 31st 2014.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Boles, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a motion and to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I can motion that we do concur and the only change was the date of effective. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. The question before the House is the motion by Representative Boles to concur in the Senate amendment #1 to House bill 1155. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will record the vote.

[Speaker]: The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 108 having voted in the affirmative. 1 in the negative. The motion passes. The Bill will be ordered and rolled. House Bill 201 the Clerk will read. [Clerk]: House Bill 201. An Act to amend the applicability of the energy conservation code to certain existing non-residential buildings to clarify a storm-water program impervious service calculations for redevelopment, to create an exemption for the North Carolina Environmental Protection Act for the reoccupation of an existing building or facility and to amend the statute governing the Department of Commerce rule economic development division. [Speaker]: Ladies and gentleman, on the prior vote not to concur on House Bill 1054, Conferees will be Hager, Catlin, Davis, Tine. Hager Chair. Representative [Terry?] please state your purpose. [Representative [Terry?]: Yes. For a motion Mr. Speaker. To speak on the motion. [Speaker]: The gentleman’s recognized for a motion and to debate the motion. [Representative [Terry?]: Although I wasn’t impressed with the lengthiness of the title, the motion is to concur. [Speaker]: The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [Representative [Terry?]: Thank you. Ladies and gentleman, about a year ago or so, the original 201 Bill came from me to you guys and y’all supported wholeheartedly and it went across the Senate, but when you supported it, it was different. What was different about it, it actually incorporated new structures. During the interim I was speaking with some different groups. Some were architects, some were environmental enthusiasts, whatever, and they came in there and expressed some concerns. We arrived at a mid point. The mid point was, is that this Bill would not address new structures, but it could address existing structures. The reason I say that is I’ve had an opportunity to go around the state like many, many of you all have and there’s one thing that’s blatantly clear in every city, town, hamlet, county, rural, urban, it doesn’t matter. It’s that this state has an abundance of available empty properties. Pretty much up and down, not just mainstreet but your street. What this Bill attempted to do and attempts to do and now does after it’s come back from the Senate, is provide better opportunity to put these building back into economic development usefulness for every one of our towns. The first part of the Bill pretty much, actually it just does, it allows the existing structures to go back to the code that was in effect in 2009. Now let me make sure y’all understand. It doesn’t mandate them to go back. They can still go by the newer codes. If they want to apply more stringent practices in their structure and when they’re rehabbing it, they can. We’re just not mandating them to do that. Some of the reasons for that was, the strength of the ceilings that might have been in the buildings could not support the additional weight of the new energy codes, specified HVAC systems which leaves the building pretty much structurally uninhabitable. We were just trying to address some of these issues and to make it more economically viable for growth in every city, town and hamlet. The other parts that the Senate added, and I’ve asked staff to be here if that’s possible Mr. Speaker, if needed, is to help me with some of the explanations on them. What they did is they looked at the different things that affect a building. They said if a company went in through an existing building what if they wanted to say expand that building. Now where does it say the building met purpose they had but they might need another 30 square feet this or 50 square feet or something. We started talking about, and it came back as a happy medium to give them the flexibility to expand up to 50 percent of the original footprint. So in other words if you bought a 100 square foot building, I’m just keeping the numbers simple. Then you can add on 50 square feet. In the language it says 150 percent, which is exactly a 50 percent addition. That could also go under the ’09 rules. Anything that pertains to the storm water runoff of that building and that expansion would still fall under the original building. So you don’t have to go all the way back through the environmental process. If it was on a, in an industrial

And you are making modifications. You would have to go back through the entire industrial area, environmental process. And let me see there's one more I want to touch base on. Yes. I was just asked, actually about part four. This was another one added by Senate. And this, I've seen this too. And this is prevalent in a lot of counties in North Carolina that are close to metropolitan hubs. It's close to... it actually happens in a metropolitan center of large scales that we have blotted areas or areas that suffer. Even though they're somewhat close to metropolitan, but they're not that close. You might be out more rural settings. I'll give ya, ?? for example. My guess is if you drive to southwest corner of Wake County, it won't look like uptown Raleigh here. It's probably more rural. It's probably more agricultural in nature. And the Senate said, well for those areas, we'd like to be able to do is provide opportunities for them also. And so this allows the economically disadvantaged in rural areas to access the red building reuse funds. All of this is an attempt to go out throughout North Carolina from one end to the other. Provide opportunity to re-access existing structures. Which we all have in our areas. I don't think it singles out one part of the state over another. I don't think it singles out one city over another. It doesn't single out one county of over. It puts us all in the same boat. And I appreciate your vote of concurrence. [SPEAKER CHANGES] What purpose does the gentleman from Durum, Representative Glubki, rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Torbald would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Gaston yield to the gentleman from Durum? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker it would be a pleasure. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Thank you Representative. Torbald. Do you remember when we passed this bill in 2013. How long the bill was? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think it was about half of a page of the front page. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well do you not think it's a problem that we have a half page bill that comes form the Senate. I mean that goes over to the Senate and comes back as a five page bill. Is that not really undermining our House process in terms of knowing what's in a bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I understand the question in it's entirely and Representative Bilukie, I think there's a lot of problems with our process. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Absolutely sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, sir, since we're on the motion to concur on House Bill 201, my question is are there not many items here that are added to the bill that you've talked about that really none of us has ever seen in the House? [SPEAKER CHANGES] As far as seen in the House, I don't, I can't speak on that behalf. If you were watching bill come out of the Senate then there was, not months and months of opportunity, but there was enough opportunity to get in there and actually make some corrections of other items that were removed from the bill. But all the items that are in the bill are still Germain to the usefulness of existing structures without putting an additional capital burden for impact onto those people that might use those buildings. If that makes any sense what so ever. Thank you for the question, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I speak on the motion? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Durum has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, Representative Torbald has acknowledged the bill has really grown a great deal. And a lot of items here that while he attempted to explain them to us, really we've not seen those items to be able to read them and study them. And as I understand the rewrite, and have just gotten a summary of the bill today. As I understand the rewrite, it really hurts us in a number of ways, perks of state, in a number of ways. Number one being that the energy efficiency codes are weakened in one part of the bill, which simply means that we've got buildings that will not reach the standards of energy efficiency that we otherwise have. That's not good for us to weaken energy efficiency codes in our state. Those codes that are set out by the North Carolina building council. That's one area. Secondary is that, the storm water requirements are weakened.

Protections are important so that we keep our rivers clean. When we weaken the storm water protections, we have costs that go to overall clean up because the storm waters going into the rivers rather than in creeks and rivers, rather than being stopped at, at source, at site, on, at the building level. For these reasons, substantive reasons, but also more importantly because we really didn't know about this bill until it's been summarized, the content of this bill until it's been summarized, by Representative Torbett, I think we should not, and would urge you to join me in not concurring on this conference report. Thank you. I'm sorry, the confer, to concur on the bill. Appreciate it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Martin rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, mister Speaker. Members, couple of problems I have with this motion. One, the gentleman from Durham has already articulated, I, I think, I'm not sure, but I think it's a bad bill. I haven't had time to look at it and I don't have the brain power to absorb something this long and this complicated and understand if it is good or bad. But, but more importantly, procedurally. In the end, the House of Representatives does not exist to be a rubber stamp for the Senate. This bill was changed significantly and has many complicated provisions in it, as evidenced by the fact that the gentleman from Gaston needed the presence of staff on the floor to potentially answer questions about this complicated bill. In the end, if it is something that I think is a bad bill, my guess is that the vast majority of folks on the other side of the aisle are gonna disagree with me, and ya'll would have the votes in the end to pass whatever you want. But I think it's more important though, not so much worried about the damage that ya'll intend to do with this bill, but that we prevent any unintentional damage that's done because we didn't give it a thorough vetting, the sort of vetting that I think we, as a coequal body with the Senate need to give the bill. And so I really think it's important that we get a House to look at this, and that a group of House members who have some experience with environmental issues give it a look before we ask the House as a whole to vote upon it. And for that reason, mister Speaker, I ask to be recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. I move that this bill be, or rather that this motion be moved to the House committee on the environment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Wake has made a motion to rerefer the bill from the floor to the committee on environment. Does the gentleman from Gaston, Representative Torbett wish to debate the motion to rerefer the bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Briefly, mister Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion to rerefer. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My friend from Wake is wrong. I'd appreciate that we defeat this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Henderson, Representative McGrady wish to debate the motion to rerefer? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do, mister Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I rise to support the motion of the gentleman from Wake. This bill has a lot in it. I think most people would recognize that I've got somewhat little expertise in the subject, but we're being asked to do committee work here. The provisions that have been added to this bill may be appropriate to the bill, but we don't know that. This bill has, these portions of the bill have never been looked at by anybody with any expertise on this side. They were just added to the bill. That's a mistake, and the motion that the gentleman from Wake has made will fix that mistake if we send this to committee and look at it and actually determine what these provisions mean. And so I would urge you to vote for the motion to send this bill back to committee. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the Lady from Davie, Representative Howard rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. To debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the motion of rereferral. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. Members of the House, I know we try to do everything as correct here as we can, but I will tell you that in my district, many of you helped me with a provision for, actually furniture company. And as I stood on the House floor and told you that it was gonna be six hundred, sixteen hundred new jobs in Davie county that has materialized, but they have waited almost a year and a half. They have twelve, pristine storage buildings that's on their property. They are waiting to create

600 additional jobs that have waited over a year they need to have a climate controlled environment in order to store the material the upholstery material that has to be on side for them to produce the jobs and get the furniture pieces built in Senate. I appreciation the opportunity of trying to do things right because you have heard me say that many many times but I am telling you there comes a time when we can overdue and as we sit here you are hampering 600 jobs that are stake and Dave academy today because these people cannot put climate control?? in these 12 storage buildings it becomes rather foolish at sometimes that we try to overdue and try to be over protective I can just assure you that I am one of many counties that have these buildings that industry is waiting to occupy and the most important thing we have tried to do in last two years four years when these ?? say talk about jobs. I am telling you we are hampering the job opportunities if you send this bill back with the time frame that we are on it won't come back there is not enough time to a deem to a committee back out of a committee to make the agreements with the Senate. Actually it's the kiss of death if we send it back to the committee so I ask you please do not vote to send it back to any committee and less move these jobs forth as we should. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Henderson representative McGrady rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask the Lady a question if I could. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the Lady from Davie yields to the gentleman from Henderson. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] She yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Am I correct in understanding does the provisions that you are particularly interested in are the provisions that are in the what I call the representative Torbett portion to that bill that have been fully graded and is that true? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I believe that's correct. Yes Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman wish to prepare additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is the Lady yells to additional question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Am I also correct that the other provision that have added to the Senate have nothing to do with the project you are particularly concerned with? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do believe that's correct but let me make a additional statement after being ranged here for as many years since I have been and many of you we have to have an agreement. I wish that it was a one chamber that we can do everything that we want to do but we have to come to an agreement with the Senate and that's the issue here there is part of the part bill that Senate has requested I don't have a in depth concern about that but I own way concerned about the other part and I don't believe they are gonna get part one without part two and it will be the kiss of death If we don't do that Mr. Speaker for motion please? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Lady from Davie may state her motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I would move that we table the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Motion is made to the table is there second. And motion been second about the gentleman from Moore Representative Boles. Question before the house is the motion by the lady from Davie that the motion to referrer bill due lie upon the table. So many favoring the motion to table will vote aye those oppose will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 69 have voted in the affirmative and 40 in the negative. The motion on the table is adopted and the motion is abruptly table to this time. We are now back on debate on the bill. For what purpose does the gentleman from.

The player and today the figure demand for today, but her devotion to the shortage of-the-making the sticker, and then disappointed in the last of the day, so when the time everyone's goals , the state to the Mets, as well as the process because it only when the time the process weapons ban represented the market, and that he had had a lot of those that think it's worth the time the original bill, which actually a supported the peace and war that had the most receptions and less than one page time the senate version of that, in that fashion 2013 dead Saturday, one division, which perceptions and about one day time-and-white pages and nonfiction that deeply, (SPEAKER CHANGES) the divided between the woes of the tough provisions that have liked the people of consensus and that I make the system Representative Howard and exactly what she tried , and the divisions that the divisions and that alone is about the problem is, explain, again and this is not a partisan issue this is happening both of the of the best of them in charge , and those of a sentence that when the provisions comply and the senate , from which to develop and the discussion , Hanson, non-twenties that even if we're not, we don't have enough, and without making compromises and recognizing the two bodies and then to give some things we all like to get from the time that that's a different from the bottom of the process but we don't have the KR hearing process and we all know what we're getting a time, and that's making the argument that the Martin representative of making to say that women have the same place in the compromise and the provisions that we may not like is the data from David Bowie provision of the only have to explain why we haven't even had a committee that is fundamentally unfair, look for us to be doing this I argued that when democrats were in charge, for the year, and now the democrats and republicans in charge it simply won't there is nothing that the final outcome of this bill, when leading after the hearing would ever committed by the tomorrow or Monday time to see if India public response to what the possible ramifications of the provisions to educate ourselves and then bolted out more on Monday or Tuesday on an as is often turns the republican,(SPEAKER CHANGES) then we have that this is we have today , and that here we have provisions of the annals of the year last year they have to say that we got underway today have two days to get a full understanding of the provisions , the timing of truth and justice and we can pull ourselves and a continuing to tell itself at the wheel of the withdrawal of communism of office with them, but I'm too long-feared the good as the actual event, family the weekend together a committee hearing today of the management of the above that of the stuff that the deal what the hell it wants, in the woods to admit even though the ability to do some text , we the jury that the things that we're doing with down with its compliance boundary issues in the coal ash bill ward any of our knowledge shootout complex to stop is now in a way that is an ability to recognize the consequences are really bad if we go and I think of that list is between them much more united telephone dial into the divided one is simply giving this bill McEwen and I only think that's too much to ask them and for that reason because I’m at least deeply disappointed in not being able to handle least an opportunity for committing to do its work , we have that, and the unwinnable time it's sad that we think we have to do this when we go out and we can end up with a finger soul into a great for the percentage of elements that either the left pane, question the national 24 when a television analyst against the chorale after the scope in the form's-request to be excused from Boeing and its many times when the package and related to withdraw my request Monday with the hostile toward the end of the largest ??......

does the gentleman from Dare, Representative Tine, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Torbett would yield to a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Gaston yield to the gentleman from Dare? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It'd be an absolute pleasure, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Representative Torbett. I spoke to you just a few minutes ago with a question as I ran through this bill in regarding to Part 4, which is the portion which would now allow tier 3 counties with census areas with less than 500 people per square mile to be included in it, and we discussed sort of a little bit about policy on it in regards to some areas don't have the resources and that's why we put it in there. I've got a county that has nine people per square mile in it, and so obviously they raise about $78,000 with one property tax. They're not making choices to not invest in that area, they have issues. What I'm wondering is, in some of these counties that can make choices with their assets, how many counties might there be--and I see that you have staff now and I was hoping that maybe they might know--how many census tracts would include 500 people per square--less than 500 people per square mile in tier 3s. I'm trying to get a sense of how big are we cutting the pie now, or how many slices are we divvying up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll first state my pleasure that the gentleman didn't quote me on our previous conversation. But I also mentioned that I honestly have no earthly idea, but this may be a result of some other language that was floating through in past months, if you pay attention to economic development and jobs for opportunities more than the environmental side--or at least try to balance that out somehow. Which is more important--is the jobs more important than what some believe that environmental impact might be. We were looking at counties that, even though a county may be thriving on one part of the county, it may have parts of the county that--you've heard the term "economically distressed," and some way to attach some opportunity, because just because they're in a county that the county in its whole may be considered a wealthy tier 3 type of county doesn't necessarily mean that a municipality, for example, sitting off in a corner of that area is equally financially solvent, if you would think. So if there's pockets anywhere in North Carolina that are economically distressed, should they not also be given what, pretty much the Senate folks decided was an equal opportunity to excel and be successful? And that's pretty much why I was very supportive of this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? request. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure, absolutely Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Gaston yield to a second question from the gentleman from Dare? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It'd be an absolute honor, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I didn't quote you because I didn't want to ambush you, but I was wondering if staff might, since they were brought in for assistance, if staff might--because if it's three or four, and we're trying to solve a small problem for rural areas, then I don't contemplate an issue. But if all of a sudden we've opened it up to 50, 60, 100 different communities throughout, then maybe we need to have a broader policy discussion about it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure, and I--while you were asking-- Mr. Speaker--while you were asking I looked at staff and staff said that we don't have answers, so obviously it's not a bazillion of them. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Caldwell, Representative Starnes, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Would the gentleman from Gaston yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Gaston yield to the gentleman from Caldwell? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Section 4: Was that added by the Senate? That was not in a provision that passed the House. Is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes. That was added on the Senate side. Yes sir, that's correct. That was not in the original bill. I think the answer to your question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Just to speak on this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Caldwell has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, and certainly I don't want to disrupt the bill that Representative Torbett has, but I just will--I want the members of the body to be aware of what this does. And I'll be honest with you. I'm troubled with this Section 4. We have established in this state a tier system, and we recognize that tier 1s and tier 2 counties have greater problems than tier 3 counties.

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but this dog is a mongrel. We don't even know who his parents are. A portion of the bill, which Rep. Torbett has done a good job on and has improved, we've got a pretty good idea about, and that relates back to Rep. Howard's particular concerns. We didn't have enough time to send this to committee. Do we have enough time to send it to a conference committee at least? Have somebody from the House figure out what all of this does? I hope my colleagues understand what's happening here. We're getting bullied. Getting bullied right. And there have been things added to this bill that are very difficult subjects. We don't have enough time to send it to committee, are we now going to take the stance we don't have enough time to have a conference on this thing, assuming we could get a fair conference committee put together that would ask the right questions? I ask you to vote no on the motion to concur, and if the motion fails I assume we'll have a conference committee and perhaps some of the questions that I think people reasonable have can then be answered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Gaston, Rep. Bumgardner arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I think this bill is an attempt to make it easier to reoccupy empty buildings which are all over Gaston county, and I've spoken to a lot of people that redevelop these buildings, some of them are quite large, some of them have been torn down lately, it's a nightmare to tear them down. They're old, they have all kinds of what's been termed "hazardous material" which cost a fortune to dispose of, get rid of, can't reuse it. Anything that we can do that we can enable these buildings to be utilized and reoccupied and put to a productive use rather than just be a drain on the taxpayers is a good idea. And yes, I have issues with some parts of this bill, I'm not at all enamored with using taxpayer money to give certain people breaks so that they can use it for their own economic benefit, then we're picking winners and losers and I don't want to do that but this bill is an attempt which can be rectified later if it turns out that this is not what needs to be done, or if there's some issue with this bill that really needs to be handled, we have next year, which is going to be here very soon to handle it. But for now, let's make an attempt to alleviate an issue that is very bad all over the state and some of the issues with this bill and some of the arguments I've heard are really quite specious, especially concerning the length of the bill all of a sudden is an issue, it was a half page and now it's 4 pages and so for that reason we can't pass it? I find that difficult to comprehend. I've asked for you to support the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Moore, Rep. Bowles rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you- [SPEAKER CHANGES] And I'm not going to elaborate, but I think Rep. McNeill shared our concerns that we have especially in Moore county, and I support and hope that you'll concur. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the adoption of the motion to concur to the Senate committee substitute for House bill 201. So many favoring the motion to concur will vote "Aye", those opposed will vote "no". The chair is giving members time to return to their seats. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 66 having voted in the affirmative and 42 in the negative, the motion to concur is adopted, the bill is ordered enrolled and sent to the Governor.

House bill 625, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 625, the bill entitled an act relating to zoning provisions for temporarily, for temporary healthcare structures. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Buncombe, Representative Moffitt rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. For a motion, and to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to state his motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I move that the House do concur with House bill 625 as returned to us from the Senate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this is the, the bill regarding temporary healthcare structures. The changes made in the Senate were all prompted by staff. There were three of them. The first one was a, a general statute citation correction. The second one was regarding the effective day, the original effective date we had was July 1, 2013 date, and we've changed that to October one of 2014, and the third change was strictly a technical phrasing change recommended by staff. I, I'm prepared to answer any questions and I appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the motion to concur with the Senate committee substitute for House bill 625. Submitting favor of the motion to concur will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. One hundred and seven having voted in the affirmative and one in the negative, the motion to concur is adopted. The bill is ordered enrolled and sent to the Governor. House bill 1145, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1145, a bill to be entitled an act to require mopeds to be registered with the division of motor vehicles and for operators of mopeds to have in full force and effect a policy of financial responsibility. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Onslow, Representative Shepard rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Speaker, to make a motion to concur and also speak on that motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a motion to concur and now has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I ask this afternoon respectfully that you vote to concur with this. It did come back a little differently then we sent it. We had put the insurance part in the steady. After going over to the Senate, I attended all the committee meetings they had on insurance and also in finance. People from the Department of Insurance came and gave testimony as well as Rate Bureau individuals, and after hearing the testimony and the discussion in the insurance committee and the Senate, they assured us that they were already rating and insuring mopeds. As a matter of fact, many are being done all over the state. They also said that there was not any problems as far as doing that. They assured us that would be fine. The indication they gave to us was that if you had a clean driving record and had never had a ticket, your insurance would be ninety dollars a year for liability insurance on a moped. If in fact you'd had a driving record that included tickets, a DWI, something like that, it possibly could be three hundred dollars a year. With that being said and done, there have been many incidents and accidents in our state involving mopeds, and at the current time, if there's not insurance on the moped, then the person that's responsible doesn't always pay for it. The person that's the innocent party has to pay for the insurance and also pay for the damage done to their vehicle whether it be bodily insurance or whatever. So I ask that you concur with a motion to include the insurance today. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Floyd, the chair understands the gentleman wishes to change his vote on the last vote from a no to a yes, is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes mister Chair. I worked hard with the gentleman on the deal. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Vote will, vote will be so changed. For what purpose does the lady from Wake, Representative Avila arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. The bill as it comes back to us from the Senate is the bill that was filed. It was not however the bill that we voted on and passed here in the House. When we passed it from the House, the insurance section had been removed, and I think what happened here speaks directly to how we legislate and how we make decisions, and what we have to have before us before we make those decisions. In speaking with the sponsors of the bill, they admitted that there is no significant

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Of any state bordering us. And then I have other concerns, what's next? It all has good intentions, there's no one in here that says that they wanna do it for the wrong purposes. But what's next? The rules and regulations that oversee these say that 30 miles an hour less. What else does 30 miles and hour and less? Or are we gonna say you have to get a license and tags, and insurance for? It's just a fact. So at a time when people are really trying to get up and move and we thought we were gonna study it and come back with some great information next year which was all the intentions the house had. Which is a great I thought, we're actually gonna get it somewhere in the right direction. We come back and now we're gonna tell everyone you gotta put insurance on these, and you're just gonna really cripple a part of our community that this is all they have. This is the only way they have to get back and forth to work, and there again I know there's good intentions but I think we could actually study the bill and come back with a solution. Look at what our surrounding states have done to help aid these individuals that's trying to get back and forth to work. There's options out there, we haven't looked at anything and we're just going to ram this through today because the Senate, which is the other chamber says it's a great idea, you know. Either way I hope you won't vote to support this and maybe we can find a solution, thank you. [Speaker Change] For what purpose does the gentleman from Crave Representative Speciale rise? [Speaker Change] To speak on the bill. [Speaker Change] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [Speaker Change] Representative Shepard if you have a good driving record your insurance that you won't pay that much, if you don't you'll pay 300. I think most of us without any hard concrete data in front of us understand that people driving mopeds obviously don't have good driving records, that's why they're driving the mopeds. So their all gonna pay $300 or whatever the insurance is. So this is good for the insurance companies if that's our goal, then we need to vote to concur. But if our goal is to you know, make the right decision, well then I think we made the right decision when we sent that bill outta here. I thought it was a good bill. For $15 we're gonna find out who owns these things by making sure they're registered. But we were going to study what the repercussions were on the insurance, and I think that makes sense. I think we do need to look at it, we need to figure it out. But what's gonna happen if we implement this and these people have to pay $300? How many of them are not gonna be able to get to work? And I love the explanation well you know, there was an accident here where you know, or the people had to pay for it themself because the moped, the driver of the moped didn't have insurance. Well heck I got a bicycle I ride and sometimes I you know, I'm not as awake as I should be when I'm riding it and I've bumped the curb, fell off it. What if I fell into a car? Are we gonna start insuring bicycles? What if I'm chasing my son, we're playing around or something and I run right into the back of the car, somebody's car and break and window with my hard head? I mean you know, there's a point where we've gotta stop and we gotta say you know, enough's enough. What should we do here? I think it was an excellent bill that we sent out of here. Let's register these things for $15, we'll know you know, who's involved in the accidents. But let's look at what the repercussions are. I think you know, I'd like to ask you to vote not to concur with this, and let's battle it out with the Senate on it. We had a good bill, let's send it back to them. [Speaker Change] For what purpose does the lady from Davidson Representative Brown rise? [Speaker Change] Sorry, I'd like to debate the motion please. [Speaker Change] The lady has the floor to debate the motion. [Speaker Change] I think this is the most interesting thing. I think I’m about as conservative as anybody in this chamber and yet, some of our uber conservatives are most against this bill. And those that consider themselves pretty much the same are for it. You know, I hate empty regulation as much as anyone in this chamber, but I'm also really big on people being responsible for what they do. And I don't understand why that doesn't come down to that. We have people, I am going to side with the hard-working people of North Carolina who are just simply driving their cars when you know, when damage to their own private property occurs and yet they are supposed to you know, just turn the other cheek and let their insurance go up you know, pay the repair bills. Why are we not holding folks the majority of whom are driving mopeds because they have committed an act of irresponsibility? And we are just, we are just continuing to you know, facilitate that kind of irresponsibility. And this is the chamber that, this is just the strangest thing to me that this would be such an issue.

I just flees actually to concur, please give the people in North Carolina upright the people that are out there dropping an innate innovation allows Outlook to get to work if they can get to work heavens to Betsy, and we can afford. I'm okay if I cannot afford insurance. Why is that such a huge sum of block should they not be held to the same standards as the rest of us, so please would. He would ask that you concur with the Senate. We are in agreement where an agreement with them. But when we changed it but a house that, as I have I have absolutely no concern of the changes is always the right thing. That is, the majority of people in the state. Thank you Speaker changed: for what purpose does the gentleman from Iredale represented Bolling, Speaker changed: Russ Spielman, Joan has the floor to debate a knife when he was losing it. Speaker changed: I agree with Representatives Shelley and most of what he said it into and so the redundant comment on the rates that part of it, but on the rates. When we passed automobile liability requirements when the students in the past automobile liability requirements for all automobile owners. We also had to pass alone required insurance comes right otherwise, we came back with the journals and we came back, I wasn't here then. But the Jolson. We came back the next year and had a excessive bill requiring church that Mister Wright was a good colorist as your dinner. The drivers and cause anything. How many good drivers, Robin Lopez, you got your people whom you won't be or have been either one of the drivers I have been bad drivers and the drive up the rates on that liability coverage so minimum of the him him as a writer, not some of our responsibility. We pass a law below on your last is very difficult for a drunk driver to the drunken driver to have liability insurance. Speaker changed: If they still have his license or she still has her license, Speaker changed: so I shall finish even ambition they accepted responsibility throughout bottom opiates of Egypt where in that we don't set up so that possibility. Even, you rather located it work responsibility has more than one side to the incident at issue for this bill without the insurance requirement and let the people exercise what they're doing now to accept the responsibility of maintaining and paying their own way and what we can. There is no state around. This requires insurance they don't require the registration in the tags I please, let's eliminate the insurance requirement until we come up with a better way are some common assurance that the people that will except responsibility and pay their own way can't afford the insurance. I can Speaker changed: or what purpose does the gentleman from Ross represented by MRIs Skokomish gentleman from Robinson has afforded of a connection. Speaker changed: Thank this figure and I will be redone if you think I think I'm a lot has been said about this. This motion, but I would like to learn my best to support the people of this state in my district who needs this means of transportation to suburban families. They need this mode of transportation through necessity and and a lot has been said a lot of good points on both sides. I budget for this when it left here. I will not vote for this is support of adding insurance. These vehicles for the him or slow. We're going down a path to her people. Your know this level of transportation and going to moped less of those guys who ride bicycles. My community gone down the road, twenty five, thirty miles an hour to training and working on the endurance of these things received that vehicles as well. I just move over and in Guantánamo and get out of their way, but now with José a personal manner young man who has made some mistakes in life, and maybe lost his license and no longer get his job doesn't have anyone is going to come by and pick him up. " hey, that person, they cannot even get on the bed and alert. He can be responsible, but now you said you know, we really don't. We don't insurance cup

did a number over on the Senate, and convinced them that's what we needed to do. So I would ask you let's not do this to our gentlemen and women who are out trying to get to their job, trying to take care of their family, trying to take care of the necessities of life, and add another burden to them. These things are registered, we know who they are, we can deal with those individuals. Let's not do this to those folks, let's do what we wanted to do in the first place. Let's study it, let's look at it, let's consider it, and then come back and use good judgement. And I would ask you not to concur with the Senate. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Sampson, Rep. Bell rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the House. Not many times have I agreed with Rep. Speciale on many things, but I do concur with him today. I think that he hit the nail on the head. And I support what he says, and I think we should not concur this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Caberras, Rep. Pittman rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask Rep. Shepard a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Onslow yield to the gentleman from Caberras? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir, sure do Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Shepard I was just wondering if we passed this bill with just the registration portion and not the insurance, then you have the moped registered, you know who it belongs to and that sort of thing, it helps law enforcement and all that. Say there is an accident and they don't have insurance, can they not be taken to court to recover damages, that sort of thing instead of insurance? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Pittman, I'm sure that you can do that if you could get anything, I'm not sure. From all the conversations that's been said, it sounds like most of the people driving mopeds are DWI drivers or they've lost their license and so forth, I'm not sure they could afford $200 a year for liability insurance, they probably couldn't afford to pay you for the damage that they do to your car. So that is a possibility, but I'm not so sure that if you took them to court you'd get anything. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Onslow yield to a second question from the gentleman from Caberras? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I sure do, ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, what you say there makes a lot of sense, but if they can't afford insurance, who's going to pay it? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Can I answer that question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Absolutely. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All of us that are driving and paying our taxes and paying for insurance to have on our cars like the young man that I just talked with this past week that pays $1200 for every 6 months, he's 19 years old, never had a ticket, he's a good driver. But he's paying $1200 for liability insurance to drive a car. All of us, including him, are going to pay for those people that get in accidents with us that have not had tickets and are driving safe and have not lost our driver's license. We're ultimately all going to pay for it, and it's all about accountability and responsibility and we Conservatives talk about being responsible and accountable, but yet when we discuss this, all of a sudden we want to give somebody a free ride, and say "You don't have to be accountable and responsible, let somebody else pay the bill." [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Guilford, Rep. Adams rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, just to speak briefly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady has the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I've heard so much and it just appears to me that we do need to study this. But I do want to say that we don't need to make assumptions to people who may ride mopeds, don't have a driver's lic- I mean that they can't get a driver's license. Many of them can afford a car. And I think we need to be thinking about that, and when we say "It's only going to cost 300", that's a whole lot of money to some people. It may not be a lot of money to those of us here, [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Onslow rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask Rep. Alva, ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the lady from Guilford yield to the gentleman from Onslow? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will. [SPEAKER CHANGES] She yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Adams, I'd like to form this in a question: I don't believe you've heard me say that, that people, that all people that drive mopeds have lost their driver's license. I believe what you heard was other people have said that from both sides of this debate, but I have never said that and I just want to clear that up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well thank you for clearing that up, but I never said that you said it in the first place. It's okay. Whoever said [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady from Guilford continues to have the floor to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Whoever said it, and I hear a lot of that here, and I think the last time we talked about this bill,

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to take a recess at this time. It is roughly 4, almost 4:20. My understanding is the Democratic caucus was planning on caucusing for about 20 minutes, therefore, if Representative Hoff, the gentleman believes we will be ready, we could probably come back at 4:40. Will that give the gentleman enough time to discuss the business? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think it will, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] OK. Notices and announcements. For what purpose does the lady from Guilford, Representative Adams rise. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. An announcement, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady may make her announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. It is a point of personal privilege, too. But I just wanted to announce to the members that on next Wednesday we will be having Bows and Brims. We had some previous members here, some gentlemen who helped us on the Bows side, and so because Representative Dockham and Representative Hare have moved on, Representative Baskerville will be helping the gentlemen with your bows. He'll, say you had a tie, he'll bring some other ties as well, so we'd love for you to participate, and it's probably going to be my last hat Bows and Brims day here, but we want to have a little fun with it. So next Wednesday, July 30. We'll see you with your Bows and Brims. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members, I know there's a couple more announcements, but I want to give the members an idea of what we're looking at doing for the remainder of the day. There were three bills that came out of rules that have already been read in that the Chair will be intending to add to the calendar. One is Senate Bill 788, which is a local bill for the town of Duck. I believe Representative Tine is handling that. Senate Bill 376, having to do with Montgomery County, that's Representative Burr's bill. He's not here, but he'd probably be fine if we proceeded on that. Senate Bill 877, which is an act to exempt certain real-estate time shares from the rule against perpetuity. I believe Representative Tine is handling that one also. And then, from the Finance Committee, House Bill 27, which was an act to deal with unclaimed savings bonds as cheating. The Chair also intends to read in some additional bills that came out of committee and add those to today's calendar, but those will have to be read in first. So the Chair will not ask for objection or anything on those other bills just yet. Just giving you all a heads up that that's what we're looking at doing. Further notices and announcements? Representative Starnes, the gentleman from Caldwell is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. The Republicans will try to have a brief caucus immediately upon recess and I'm hoping the room downstairs, 1228, is available. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I believe it will be. Representative Hall, does the Democratic caucus want to be in its usual room upon recess? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Alamance, Representative Ross, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A moment of confusion on that last vote. I'd like to be recorded as voting aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as voting aye for the last vote. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland, Representative Glazier, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A question of the Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. I know you're going to be reading these in, but this is just for amendment preparation. Is one of the bills that there is an intent by the Chair to add for discussion tonight House Bill 1133, the Tech Correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair has not- I want to confer with Speaker Tillis. It's possible, but we're trying to look at the clock and see where we're going. So I'll- If it is it would be after those other bills. But if the member does have amendments, it would probably be a good idea to go ahead and at least have those ready. But I'll speak directly with you and I will announce that later when we come back from recess. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. Further notices and announcements? If not, Members, we will stand in recess until 4:40 pm, subject to introductions of bills and resolutions, re-referral bills and resolutions, receipt of committee reports, receipt of conference reports... Re-referral bills and resolutions, appointments of conferees, and modifications to the calendar. We are in recess. Conferees on House Bill 1145 will be Shepard, chair, Representative Rayne Brown, Representative Carney, Representative Millis. It will be so notified. Representatives Burr and Stam, vice-chairs of the Committee on Rules, Calendar and Operations, are recognized to send forth a conference report, the court will read. Excuse- Strike that. Recognized to send forth a committee report, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam and Representative Burr are recognized from the

of the rules down the operation of the House Committee report this to me that the actions able to defend the unbearable has been on the committee 70, me and them, said the 7730 AM committees of the number one in NDS the recommendations parable of the face of the unfavorable-Semitism days at sea, and that downtime message was sent to a late time special message was sent into the likelihood of an NT and this is a time because of the message to the house of representatives commission said Dr. For the property for scandal Sunday, a company excepted about it, and that the defendant to charge tolls of the content of correction, the seventh time the action is the data that can move to build a little respect please fill a critical part -time national estimations at that time, (SPEAKER CHANGES)this message is that even the senate has built a 6970 committees have taken the place of vision of them, and activate two-and the event, which have government contracts the divide five for the crimes they commit itself in the late weekend is that a whole, interns general and to appreciate the call of time building, Monday night that specializes in the senate has to happen-September 10 edition of the developmentally that of them in sales and use tax rate to 2 1/2% I'm having some possibilities up to 1/2% of local sales and use that to public education and public education capital purposes of her combination thereof and a daytime contact and economic development laws for goods and 70¢ to the two defendants to buy the Kurds have the ability and am ready and be taken as a feature on film, committee on finance the time the division the deficit for the report that the late to the president said the speaker of the services company plans of the differences between the fed governor then, hopefully 66 women, active in the company of it than that on the condition that goal, into the department, nationalisms to the parole for a complaint procedure that of those attending the following them into the cities of the venerable children, and national resistance of the document in 24 to 14 division rose to 25 of 14 housekeepers and 75 PM and 28-75 to 50 that time of the 50 companies recommends then-representative of this report from Forrester party committee on agriculture and (SPEAKER CHANGES)they're all day events time -that-that many of those that have preceded state of the ole to-understand the speaker of the house of representatives companies plan to resolve differences between the seven-month civil war takes a good about it, acted as if they're even a week when one of the sort that are under certain conditions of these have been able to the item 44 condition growth in 1997, 47 house agreed that, the face of the parable take into account for the daytime and 92 to 14 senators and house committees of Tiananmen of the enhancement of the available data into the parking lot of invention and 1/2, two Korean war that-that-that that's the vision than that of a commotion that the state- of the house approved the proposed company from 2 to 11 time ??...........

Does the does the gentlemen making emotion to adopt the ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] report or to adopt the ?? report, ok, thank you Mr. Speaker, this is an interesting story, little different from some we have heard tonight today, this is, ?? 163 began as a senate bill we reformatted it in the house to address a little different goal and that was reclaim orders or social ?? that reformatting was adopted by this body 117 to 0, so within set the bill to the senate with a made it better, they pulled out an extraneous provision in the bill that had nothing to do with the main body of the bill, and there was a concern that the language that pass this house did not specify that any surface order ?? ?? would need a permit, we didn't allow it but there was some thing of a questioned and senate wanted to address that so we did both of those things in the conference committee and I ask that you support the ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion for the debate, now the house ?? is there a number of members off the floor in meetings and I wanna make sure they have an opportunity to vote the house ?? those member that brought in for the vote [SPEAKER CHANGES] Member while we are doing that, ?? would like to have the following bill to this evening's calender, which would read in earlier, the first one is house bill 1070, is their an objection this bill ?? tonight's ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] What is it Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Short titles and ?? to allow the ?? of the ?? to exercise the power of emanate of remain for purpose of engaging and ?? control and flood and hurricane protection works, ?? that 788 that was the companion bill the bill 788, is there an objection ?? not so ordered, and those member in back, question before the house, is the adoption of the ?? report for senate bill 163 ?? favouring the adoption of the ?? report would vote either oppose vote ?? the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote 99 having voted in informative and 1 in the negative, the ?? report ?? bill 163 is adopted. ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker [SPEAKER CHANGES] What purpose has the gentleman from the Richmond representing ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I like to be recorded ?? yes on the ?? report [SPEAKER CHANGES] is ?? voting yes or no? [SPEAKER CHANGES] yes [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman would be recorded as having the vote on the ?? report. The next bill we gonna add to the night's calender is senate bill 376 and actual ?? and the dependence of employees to participate the state have plans for teachers and state employees, is there an objection this bill in tonight's calender? ?? The next bill will be added to the night's calender is senate bill 877, ?? was an act of exempt a certain real estate time ?? from the rule against ?? Is there objection to this bill being added to this night's calender, ??, next bill will be added to the night's calender is house bill 27 which is an act to provide ?? USA's ?? ?? to the state and there ii a longer title but is there any objection to that bill being added to the night's calender? ?? Next bill is senate bill 773 which is an act to implement the recommendations of the general ?? commission its again its a really long title senate bill 773 this is the GSE implement GSE recommendations ?? out rules today is there an objection to this bill being added to the night's calender? ?? Next bill is house bill 1133 which is the technical another correction's act passed out to the rule committee that's the one I think representative ?? may have an amendment to it, there may be some others, that is also being asked tonight's calender any objection [SPEAKER CHANGES] object [SPEAKER CHANGES] ok objection added.

The gentleman from Hornet, Representative Lewis is recognized for motion. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker, I would move that House Bill 1133 be added to tonights calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Gentlemen from Hornet, Representative Lewis moves that the House Bill 1133 be added to tonights calendar. Submitting in favor of adopting the motion will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will strike the vote. The chair is going to re put the question. The chair had told the other members who were off the floor that he will do that. The vote will be stricken the machine will be cleared. We have a couple of folks who are off floor, who had 100% voting records and they want to maintain that. I would hate to see them . . . Some of them have been here several terms, so I want to honor that, I hope the body will bear the indulgence. For the purpose . . . [SPEAKER CHANGE] Question, Sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Although we are, technically the question being put to chair we will yield to a question from the gentlemen from Durham. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to know the procedure we go through for that, so we can make sure we all avail ourselves of maintaining our voting records. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Always a great thing. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGE] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Michaux rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Inquiry the chair. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The last motion that was raised, that was the motion to suspend the rules to add that bill to tonights calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGE] It was not that. Earlier vote was a motion, there had to be a motion to suspend the rules, because that was a conference report. However, a committee report only requires leave of the house, that would only require simple majority vote in that instance. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Same thing ??. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The question before the house is the motion to add the house committee substitute for House Bill 1133 to tonights calendar. Submitting in favor of adopting the motion will aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and close the vote. 65 voting in the affirmative and 37 in the negative the bill is added to tonights calendar. Members the other bill to be added to tonights calendar is House Bill 101, an act to reauthorize expired special registration plates as a conditional title. Is there an objection to this bill being added to tonight bills. Hearing none, so ordered. House will be at ease for just a moment. Members the House is going to go into recess until 5:30. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The House will come to order. Members after having an opportunity to speak with the Speaker and many others, based on the one bill that needs to be carried over until tomorrow. Chair has determined we're going to let all the bills go over until tomorrow and we'll be taking no further votes this evening. Notices and announcements. And, for planning purposes, tomorrow I understand that the Republican Caucus, will caucus at 9:15 and we're going to have session at 10:00 am tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman from Caldwell, Representative Starnes. For what purpose does the gentleman rise? [SPEAKER CHANGE] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The caucus is at 8:30 in the morning, 12/28. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Objection having been heard. For what purpose does the gentleman from

House Session 724: Speaker1: For what purpose does Representative Hall arise ? Speaker changes: Announcement Mr .Speaker. Speaker changes: Representative xx is recognized to make an announcement. Speaker changes: xxx to clarify that before the question, what time is the session in the morning ? Speaker changes: 10.A.M.Democratic Caucus will caucus in our caucus room at 9 A.M. tomorrow morning. Speaker changes: Further notices and announcements. Speaker changes: Speaker. Speaker changes: The gentleman from xx is recognized for additional announcement. Speaker changes: Thank you .The caucus that was noticed for to… after the session has been cancelled. The new caucus will xx in the morning at 8:30 in Room 1228. Speaker changes: For what purpose does the gentleman from xx Representative Dixon arise? Speaker changes: Announcement. Speaker changes: The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. Speaker changes: Members , ten minutes after session tomorrow the house committee on agriculture will meet in 643 ten minutes after session tomorrow the committee on agriculture will meet. House bill 366 referred to as the Format will be the bill that will be in discussion. Speaker changes: Speaker. Speaker changes: For what purpose does the gentleman form Durham Representative Loubke arise? Speaker changes: To see Representative Dixon will yield to a question? Speaker changes: The gentleman from Durham, are you from DURHAM? Speaker changes: Yeah. Speaker changes: xx Speaker changes: Thank you. Representative Dixon is this the bill that the memo, is this the bill that is now called criminal features, or criminal whatever. Speaker changes: It has a nice one full page title,[ Mayflower??] Speaker changes: Gentleman do you have any additional question? Speaker changes: Yes Speaker changes: He yields. Speaker changes: This is not the one to be named as an agriculture bill Speaker changes: If you remember when this bill came I made a motion not to concur and it went to conference. The conferees have met and come to an agreement because of certain things it happened. It is if we go by rules it doesn’t need to go to committee .My understanding is if it has not been published online it very very shortly will be and I’ll make sure that he has done so that you can pull it off shortly. Speaker changes: Thank you Representative Dixon. Speaker changes: Further notices and announcements. Xx the gentleman from Davidson , Representative xx is recognized for motion. Speaker changes: I am moving on In honor and memory of Representative Jim Pogram. I do move the house now subject to ratification of bills, messages from the senate, committee reports, conference reports, re-referral of bills and resolutions and appointments to conferees and modifications to the calendar until July 25, 2014 at 10 A.M. Speaker changes: Representative Yeps moves seconded by Representative Ford .Let the House adjourn. In memory and in honor of Representative Jim Forgen subject to ratification of bills and resolutions from the senate, committee reports, conference reports , re-referrals of bills ,resolutions and recoveries, introduction to bills and resolutions and modifications to the calendar.[background all talk] a making it Friday July 25, 2104 at 10 A.M. Those in favor will say aye, those opposed will say no. The ayes have it. The House stands adjourned.[gong]