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House | May 9, 2013 | Chamber | Session

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Seargent [??Aires] will close the doors. The prayer will be offered by Representative Hamilton, who is not yet in the Chamber. The prayer will be offered by Representative Susi Hamilton. Members and visitors in the Gallery, please stand and please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Please pray with me. Lord, I pray for all government officials and especially for the leaders of my own country. I pray for the President, that he may conduct the affairs of national government with wisdom, bravery, and true justice. I pray for the members of Congress, that they may truly represent the needs of the people and work in harmony for the advancement of all men, women, and children. I pray for the judges that rule the courts of our land, that they may balance justice with mercy and civil law with divine mandate. Grant all of our national, state, and local leaders the gifts of wisdom, justice, council, and fortitude, that they may conduct the affairs of man in accord with the will of God. Grant to all men the gift of respect for lawful authority, justly exercised, that we may live as a united people, one nation under God. May all the governments of the world seek to reconcile power with the needs of society. May they all strive to form bonds of unity between the countries, that we may one day share a united world of prosperity and peace. Amen. [ALL IN UNISON] I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Speaker, the Journal for Wednesday, May the eighth 2013 has been examined and found to be correct and I move that it's approval is written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore moves that the Journal for May eighth be approved as written. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say no. You guys have it, the Journal is approved as written. Petitions, memorials, papers, addresses, the General Assembly of the House. Ratification of bills and resolutions. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] [??Midrolling] Clerk reports falling bill due to ratify for proper known city health sector. Senate House Bill 314 enacts the city terms of office of man Board of Commission town evening from two to four years, from finding that the notice of candidates for office shall be filed with the County Board of Elections. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Captured bills will be noted. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the Gallery to Sybil Cannon, of the Northwest Mississippi Community College Foundation, Senatobia, Mississippi. I think I came close to pronouncing that right. Sybil, please stand and let us welcome you. Reports of standing committees and permanent subcommittees, Representative Hager is recognized to send forth the Committee Report. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hager, Public Utilities Energy House Bill 710, "Water Utility Recovery" favorable Committee Substitute unfavorable is to the original bill and serially referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute Bill will be rereffered to the Committee on Finance, original bill and favorable calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 818, Steady Regulation Coal Ash Disposal, favor on Substitute unfavorable to original Bill is sincerely referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute will be rereffered to the Committee on Finance, original bill and favorable calendar. Representative Sarah Stevens is recognized to send forth the Committee Report. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, Judiciary Subcommittee C House Bill 811, "Amend Practice of Funeral Services," laws favors Committee Substitute unfavorable to the original bill and serially referred to Finance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute will be rereferred to the Committee on Finance, original bill and favorable calendar.

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Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Motion pertaining to today’s calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, move the House Bill 930, short-titled Dog Breeding Standards Law Enforcement Tools, be added to today’s calendar for consideration. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection? So ordered. Calendar. House Bill 526. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 526: ?? Act. Adding certain described property to corporate limits of the town of Chadburn. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Waddell, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, this is a local bill. It’s simply a voluntary annexation and it has been vetted in government, vetted in finance, and I encourage you to vote for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 526 on its second role call reading. All in favor vote, “Aye”. All opposed vote, “No”. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk machine will record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. House Bill 526 passes on its second reading and will remain on the calendar. House Bill 545. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 545: ?? act to modify the Henderson County occupancy tax. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is the bill that is being requested by Henderson County. It actually reverses the position designating a certain amount of occupancy tax to one non-profit which was the House’s position in the same bill last year. It also makes a technical change. It gets the name right. I’m not aware of any opposition the bill and I urge your support for it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 545 on its second reading. All in favor will say, “Aye”. All opposed say, “No”. The “Ayes” have it. House Bill 545 has passed its second reading without objection. It will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 545 on its third reading. All in favor say, “Aye”. All opposed say, “No”. The “Ayes” have it. House Bill 545 has passed its third reading. It will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 817. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 817: A bill to be entitling an act to strengthen the economy through strategic transportation investments. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brawley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would appreciate your continued support. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 817 on its third reading. All in favor vote, “Aye”. All opposed vote, “No”. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. Representative Pittman. Representative Alexander. The clerk ?? machine will record the vote. 103 having voted in the affirmative, 14 in the negative. House Committee Substitute #3, House Bill 817 has passed its third reading and will be engrossed and sent to the Senate. House Bill 552. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 552: A bill entitling an act to provide a procedure to remove an area from a county service district. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts.

please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, this is an act to provide a procedure to remove an area from my county’s service district. There was a question in finance yesterday, as to why this was a statewide bill rather than a local bill. It’s because it has to do with, we can’t have local bills for the environment or public health, so that’s why it became a statewide bill. It says that they may, this does not require counties to do that, but I have an area in my county that has not been provided service for many, many years and they wish become taken out of a service district that they were put in and the county wants to take them out of that service district, this allows them to do so. Please support this bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Mobley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to change my vote on the 817 to no please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted not. Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 552 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record please do so. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, House Bill 552 has passed its second reading and will remain on the calendar. House Bill 609. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] committee substitute number two for House Bill 609. The bill has been entitled AN ACT RELATING TO HEALTH BENEFIT PLAN COVERAGE FOR ORALLY ADMINISTERED ANTICANCER DRUGS. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and thank you ladies and gentlemen of the House. House Bill 609 that you have before you had quite extensive debate yesterday. I would just like to reiterate that it does seek to address a very serious healthcare issue. Some current insurance plans cover chemo IVs, a medical benefit differently than they do oral chemotherapies. As a result, the out of pocket costs for patients are sometimes too high and they don’t get the treatment that’s prescribed for them from their doctor. What this bill seeks to do, again, is to say, if a plan covers cancer and provides treatment for cancer, doesn’t require them to provide treatment if they don’t currently do it, but if they do it, it says the method of that treatment will be treated the same, the costs for it, the out of pocket costs to the individual will be the same. I would respectfully ask for your support of this bill today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, please state your purpose. . [SPEAKER CHANGES] To send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens moves to amend the bill on page 2, lines 4 and 5 by inserting the following between the lines. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This amendment, while it’s still a mandate for this coverage to be offered at a better rate, dictates how much insurers can charge for that chemotherapy, but it is better and doesn’t give the drug away for free. It would allow a charge of up to $300 per filled prescription and just like IV chemotherapy where there’s a charge for each visit to the doctor, there’s a charge for each prescription. It would limit that charge to no more than $300 per prescriptions. Insurers can still charge less and they will for richer plans. Under federal law, the $300 would apply to out of pocket maximums along with any medical expenses including doctors and visits, so once you reach your out of pocket maximum, which you do very quickly in cancer treatment, then there would be no additional charges. Other states, have it in fact, as they’ve looked at this cancer fair treatment, adopted this kind of procedure. The whole problem in determining the price under the bill as it exists is the second paragraph of the bill in which it says that the charge cannot be greater than the co-pays co-insurance co-deductibles. Well, how in the world is anybody going to determine that. So I’m going to allow other people to speak on the amendment who will be more knowledgeable than that, but I do ask you to support this amendment and with this amendment, I feel I can support the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Ensco, please state your purpose...

The lady's recognized the right to abate the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Thank you mister speaker. Part of the problem in explaining this is that the cost of health care is very complex. Insurance companies negotiate with hospitals for every drug, every procedure, everything, every product, with every hospital and it's all different. Depending on the negotiations. So if we say that the orally administered anti-cancer drugs shall not be having more out of pocket expense then it applies to the intravenously administered injected drug in the hospital. You can go to one hospital and find that the cost is $3486.00. So I'm not sure how the insurance company would know to pay that amount. At another hospital it would be $15,000.00, that's for one visit with a drug for one cost. If you go to an independent physicians office it's maybe $50.00 after all the deductions are taken off. You cannot compare the cost so there's not any real way to implement this without having the cost be zero. Which means that there will be no reimbursement and the insurance companies will not absorb all this cost, they would not do it. It would be transferred to other users or they would reduce the coverage in some other way. In other states where this has passed that's exactly what's happened to the insurance companies because they have not been able to figure or tell the pharmacist to charge because it's different everywhere they go to get treatment. They don't know how much to tell the pharmacist so they charge zero. Which is really good for the patient, I like the bill actually because it's fine for the patient, it allows a very expensive drug to be administered at no charge. But that charge will not be absorbed by the insurance companies. They will transfer that cost to other users by reducing the services that they cover or by increasing their premiums. This amendment is a fair amendment, it doesn't affect the costs that a hospital would charge. The hospitals will still charge whatever they negotiated, it might be $3000.00, $15,000.00 or $50. But it would even out the cost of what a patient would pay for in-home services. It's a fair amendment and it makes the bill a better bill. I hope you'll vote for it. [Speaker change] Representative Murray please state your purpose. [Speaker change] To abate the amendment. [Speaker change] The gentlemen recognizes to abate the amendment. [Speaker change] Thank you Mister Speaker. I would ask the members to support the amendment. I think it's a reasonable alternative and option for, to address this issue in a reasonable way. Currently on the state health plan drugs along these lines the co-pay is actually $100.00. But you're spreading that around to every state employee and retiree. This will help address the cost situation for smaller group plans. And the small group plan or the plan for what we call "young invincibles", people that aren't expecting to get cancer or specialty drugs that the average plan is around 25% percent cost sharing. Gleevec, one of the drugs this would impact, anti-cancer chemotherapy that's taken orally costs about $4000.00 a month. So that means patients on a young invincible plan would pay $1000.00 a month, this would help address this situation to help make it a little more affordable for that small number of patients that this bill actually impacts. I would ask that you support this amendment and I would be glad to answer any questions. [Speaker change] Representative Eshoo (??) please state your purpose. [Speaker change] I would like to ask Representative Murray a question. [Speaker change] Representative Murray, does the gentleman yield? [Speaker change] I yield [Speaker change] The gentleman yields [Speaker change] Representative Murray, I see that this amendment actually reads per prescription, per filled prescription, so couldn't that patient actually have to fill that prescription three or four times a month? Wouldn't it be charged three times four or multiplied by however many times they filled it? [Speaker change] You are correct. So this would be per fill, per prescription fill. So, if they get a thirty day supply then they will pay $300.00 for that thirty day supply. I would read this that if they got a ninety day supply they would pay up to $300.00 for that ninety day supply. That's how I read the amendment. It's per prescription fill.

bill. And so, I think this is a reasonable approach. I think the other thing we want to keep in mind, under the affordable care act, on January 1 of 2014, the maximum out of pocket cost for any patient is $6350. 6350 dollars. The average cancer was there about a ??. This just helps address the situation where there is an appropriate cost share. If you have the other states that have passed similar legislation, this $300 per month, per prescription copay is within the range. Some states have done $500. Some states have done 250, 300, 400. In my opinion, this is a reasonable approach to this legislation, and I'd ask members to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Fulghum, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To address the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. The amendment, I'm sorry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I were prescribing these medications, the way I would approach this would be to do more than a 30 day supply. Sometimes insurance companies don't like that. But if it's in the therapeutic regimen, that would be what I'd do as a physician, and it would be legal. And, as Representative Murray indicated, it would be $300 per prescription for however long that prescription was written for. The other thing is, it would be unusual to prescribe more than one oral anti-cancer drug is a time. You get sick enough with one of them. So having two or three would be highly unusual, and I don't think would be applicable in many, many cases. I support this ammendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen of the house. I rise to oppose the ammendment that you have before you, and I'd like to try and explain why. Yesterday, during the time that this house so graciously allowed this bill to be discussed, tried to define that what this bill does is let the private insurers go out to negotiate whatever contracts they have with whatever providers they want to do, put all that together and go out and sell these health insurance policies. It's the free market. Not all the policies are the same. Some of them have a real high deductible, some of them have a real low. Some of them charge per trip, some of them have a maximum that they charge. But they're all different. The reason that I have concern with this ammendment is that this would be establishing, again to my knowledge based on the inquiry to our staff for the first time, this would be establishing a cap or cost in statute. This is in fact an infringement on the way the free market system works now. This bill is really, and I know this is a bad word to use on this floor, but I'm not smart enough at the moment to think of the word to not use the word simple, so I'm going to commit that sin. What this bill says is that if you provide coverage for cancer, and if that coverage includes some kind of drug therapy, some kind of treatment, that the cost for that treatment to the individual who's having to pay it out of their pocket is the same. It doesn't try to tell the insurance companies with that should be. That's what this ammendment does. It tries to tell them what it should be. I agree with what the lady from Orange was saying earlier today. All of these things take part by much smarter people than me who go out and negotiate these contracts and they are all different. So a one size fits all amendment is not a free market solution, and is not the intent of the bill. So I again would respectfully ask you to vote against this ammendment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Folks, I rise in support of this amendment. I hope this amendment passes, 'cause I really, really would like to vote for this bill. I really

Looking for a reason to vote for this bill. This amendment would do that. I've talked with representatives of a major health provider inthisstate for whom this will affect two. The small business market and the individual market. And they've stated that, with this amendment, there will be no premium increases, and are getting their actuaries to sharpen their pencil, and they've come up with the decision by now, I don't know that there still hoping they can extend this to these types of drugs for all serious chronic illnesses like this with fists or Kobe. And I hope they can do that, I really do. Is the thing that bothers me the most, frankly, about legislative bodies like ours, and this is both democrats and republicans, is that we do seem to be very, very generous with other people's money. Now, you might think I'm the biggest conflict in the world. If the check my tax returns, it find out I'm a lot more generous with my personal money than I am with the money that idea to have some say in with up here. But it does a matter for talking about taxpayers' money, ratepayers' money or premium payers money, where very very comfortable doing things that raise those costs on other people. Again, the major provider has told us that if we pass this amendment, we will not be raising premiums on small businesses and individuals. That means we will not exacerbate the problem that I mention yesterday of small business owners continuing to drop their Health Insurance. As can affect a lot more than 100 people if that trend continues. So I beg and plead with you, let's not charge the premium payers of North Carolina more and say, well that's just one more thing they're gonna have to pony up on. With so for this amendment, and then pass a bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative and scope, please stateyour purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The ladies recognize to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Most of you probably know that blue cross blue shield this in my district. We may not know is that we're almost always on opposite sides. So I don't come to this conclusion easily, or naively. I did a lot of research on this issue. So, here we are. If this amendment doesn't pass, the Koop a hell of the insurance companies because they cannot establish a uniform Koop eight, they would be forced to have a cocaine zero. That's what's happened in other states with. When they had this kind bill passed with no limit, with no cap, they have a cocaine zero. So now, we have, if we take our pill at home for one month with a zero ko pay, or we go to the hospital and have a $3000 charge or a $5000 charge or a 15,000 charge for one month, is that fair? Shouldn't that be zero to? You want to have a fair tradeoff between home treatment and infusion treatment, hospital. SoThis is a fair amendment, and it does allow the insurance companies to implement this without any increase in premiums. I hope you'll both to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, please stateyour purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To inquire if Representative Murray a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Murray, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gladly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Representative Murray. Representative Murray, I come to your pharmacy today, and I bring you a prescription, or after this bill passes without an amendment, I bring to you a prescription for an oral cancer medication. I'm on the state health plan. Woody charge me? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Specialty drug co pay for the state health plan, to my recollection is $100. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow-up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentlemen yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] But if this bill passes, what in fact would to charge me?

him e-mail so your response to representative 's dealings in light of the fact that she ask you what would become baby understatement voice health plan today. verse at this bill passed all made out of him: for understanding this bill does not apply to state employees health this situation analysis that was about staying up late if it doesn't apply the state health plan that exchange was unnecessary, but I will say this with us. I don't deal with the medical side of the state health plan allowing a pharmacist. I'm not sure what a patient that would get an IV chemotherapy treatment. I not sure all the costs associated with the patient's treatment with added a sale plans are. I really don't. I don't have that I don't know though I don't know what a patient would charge or IV chemotherapy. I know that I know what the state would get charged the thank you rationalizations for [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion further debate on the amendment is not a question for the house 's capacity limits and forth by Representative Stevens, the house pretty sensitive number two for House Bill six oh nine, all in favour, but I all. note the corporal open about all members wishing to record, please do so this time the park watching for the eighty having a deferment, thirty six, and then added negative member passes were now back on the bill further discussion further debate were observed when all please take your purpose of politics, this is the growth chamber, but neither course five twenty six be reported to the gym every records have regarded by on oh five, twenty six [SPEAKER CHANGES] discussion run by if not question the White House is the presence of the House committee substitute member two two thousand and six are not as amended, on its third reading on paper, but I all I was going over for going to the all members wishing to record, please visit our luxury or the one hundred twelve, having that affirmative five-minute negative valve committee substitute number two thousand six and honest as its third reading as amended, being first sentence of ice Gemini house chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to a group of students from hilltop Christian school from Fuquay Marina Weiss fan blade was welcomed him as ladies and gentlemen, the house while Romeo subject of schools. the thousand on the letter of all members will be seated and the chair would ask that any members to our habit in the past features the police and a understanding this weight being teacher appreciation week that we formally show our appreciation for what you've done for you than the past and and we also know that their teachers up in a gallery of your seat it. we appreciate if you'd please stand alone as I'll show these great people. our gratitude for the work they've done an education him an house built three thirty six. accordingly,since we think I can by any state high school students enrolled at the University of North Carolina school of the arts, maybe charge fees disease would be dispenses peace and seclusion. Johnson of North Carolina and ask places of them before we started on disability. upon motion of representative from Caldwell County resident of stars at year 's aptitudes into courtesies of the gallery to the column well County Chamber of Commerce leadership group you're in the chamber voice analyst walked him out and about

[0:00:00.0] To debate the bill Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, my fellow house members this bill is before you at the request of that the University of North Carolina School of the Arts, we are very proud to have this institution in my county and this bill is supported by the entire local delegation. The University of North Carolina School of the Arts open way back in 1965 and that was unique and still is today and having a high school in addition to the undergraduate and graduate programs. The high school students are required to take the normal high school credits but they choose to come to the school because they have an extraordinary talent in an area of the arts such as music, drama or dance. They spent several hours a day in developing their talent and the school is known for making sure their students get constant performance experience at a high level of quality. This is job training at an early age. From the opening of the school in 1965 until 2000 the instate high school students did pay some charge or fees or room and board charges but in 2001 the General Assembly decided to appropriate the full cost for instate high school students and make it completely free but in recent years with the economic downturn and the budget problems in the state the appropriations for the instate students have not covered the full cost causing a short fall in the funding. The school has covered the shortfall by using funds for the undergraduate and graduate programs. The school average is about 200 instate students and between 50 and 70 out of state students which pay full cost tuition which is in the ___[02:00] of around $20,000. In the most recent year the total available cost for the instate students was 2.4 million but they only received 1.98 million in appropriations creating a shortfall of around $450,000. And they use funds from the undergraduate and graduate program to fill that gap. This bill, if we pass this today will allow the school to re-instate a certain level of fees to cover that gap. The level of fees will be determined by the University Board of Governors and the Trustees of the School of the Arts. If these will not be implemented into the fall of the 2014 school year to give time for notification, I have ensured by the school that this change has been fully disclosed and discussed with the current student body and that they understand an onboard with the new cost. Also, I had been assured that if these new fees do cause a problem for any students that financial aid or scholarships will be available. The bill passes unanimously both out of education and finance committees and I can amend this bill for your approval. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate, if not the question before the house is the passage of the House Bill 336 on its second reading, all in favor will vote aye, all oppose will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record please do so. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 116 having voted in affirmative, 1 in the negative the House Bill 336 has passed its second reading, without objection will be read third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate, if not the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 336 on its third reading, all in favor will say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All oppose say no. The ayes have it the House Bill 336 is passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen of the house without objection we are gonna move to House Bill 930…I will direct if there is no objection we will direct the clerk at the appropriate time. Before we take up House Bill 930 the Chair would on behalf of all the members the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to our first lady and friend Emma Cory and please stand and let us welcome you. [Applause] House Bill 930 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 930… [0:04:59.8] [End of file…]

Thirty. A bill to entitled and enact to establish standards of care for large commercial dog breeding facilities and to provide law enforcement with tools to ensure that dogs at those facilities are treated humanely. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. And as one of my colleagues just passed by singing, Who Let The Dogs Out, we may know the answer. No, as we begin the debate on this bill I would be remiss if I did not thank my fellow sponsors for tolerating my repeated urgings over the past seven months that we remain focused on what the goal of this bill is. That we exempt hunting and sporting dogs and that we work with all concerned to find a compromise legislation that seeks to do good and not harm. Second I want to say a big thank you to all the 28 cosponsors of this bill. We achieved this support not through individual lobbying or strong-arming. But because you all believe this is a good bill that addresses the issue and does not infringe on agribusiness or personal freedoms. And I want to thank First Lady Ann McCrory who has worked tirelessly with us on this issue and has been so supportive in our efforts. I’m glad she is here today to watch the debate and I am hopeful she will get to witness passage of the measure with your support. You’ll see the letter on your desk that she sent yesterday to members of Judiciary B where we passed this bill out without any opposition. It was unanimous. Representative Carney yesterday made this point. And I’m paraphrasing that good legislation comes through hard work, compromise and buy-in from your colleagues. We have worked hard to do that with House bill 930. As some of you may know or may not know I’m a volunteer firefighter with East Lincoln fire department back in my district. In the fire service we get to witness a lot of good things and all too often a lot bad. As it should happen our fire department along with several others assisted law enforcement and animal control in a multi-day puppy mill bust in Lincoln county several years ago. As I’ve said I’ve witnessed some pretty nasty things. But after hearing from my fellow firefighters about the dreadful and putrid conditions at this bust I decided I could better serve in a support capacity in our station. In other words I did not have the stomach to witness the conditions first hand. Though I did not get to see it firsthand I did see many of the pictures and accounts of the bust afterwards in our briefings. It even included dogs in freezers. This is part of the story of how we got to this legislation. As well my family and I have two basset hounds Chopper and Bailey. Bailey, Bailey’s a rescue dog we got for Georgia. And although he won’t, he was once in bad shape with a lot of care and socialization he has become a great dog. Not all are that lucky. I think most of you through our interactions believe me to be a very reasonable legislator. I am not an animal rights activist. I do not elevate my dogs or any animals to anywhere near human status. They are our pets. But they do not deserve to be mistreated. This bill simply provides for more humane treatment of dogs in commercial breeding facilities. And affords law enforcement with added tools to intervene in situations where they are current, where they currently cannot under our animal, animal cruelty statutes. By the time they can many of the animals are too injured or ill to be rehabilitated. As many of you know as Judiciary B I often claim I’m not a lawyer and defer to my friends in the legal community. As such Representative Ramsey and I contacted several district attorneys as to what this bill may mean for them. And I’m quoting, as it stands now I have to first prove that the defendant committed the acts in question. And then prove that the acts in question are cruel as defined by 14-360. With H930 we would simply have to prove that the defendant committed the acts that violated one or more of the enumerated requirements. I think all of the enumerated requirements in subsection A and the requirements in subsection B would cover any hypothetical case of cruelty I can think of. I definitely think H930 would be helpful in prosecuting these kinds of cruelty cases. Some of you may have received emails opposing the bill. Much of this opposition has coming from the sporting community. I understand their position. But quite frankly many have received bad information that is not warranted with this legislation. I’m a gun guy. I appreciate hunting and sporting and I’m a bird hunter. Perhaps bills in the past might have sparked fear in the sporting community. But this is much different and it’s intentional. This bill plainly exempts hunting, sporting, film/g and show dogs. And I

Will not support attempts to remove that provision. And I hope you'll bear with me because my legislative assistant helped me write this speech and it says my incredible legislative assistant, which many of you know. Zane Stillwell has worked diligently on this bill. He is an avid hunter, sportsman and gun rights advocate. His family has been involved in the dog hunting community for decades and we have kept these concerns in mind from day one. And let me be real honest with you. He told me I was crazy and I should never touch the thing. But through this process and through learning, being right there at my side and assisting, he is more than supportive of the bill. Historically, the agriculture and livestock communities have opposed legislation to address similar issues. For the first time that I know of, these interests are not taking a position. This further speaks to the compromise and narrow focus of this bill. It simply addresses commercial breeders who mistreat the animals and strengthens law enforcement's ability to act. That's it. I believe Representative Glazier has an amendment. We have had a good process and I yield. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Representative Glazier, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] To send forth an amendment. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Representative Glazier moves to amend the bill on page 2 lines 23 and 24 by rewriting the lines to read. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Thank you very much Mister Speaker and thank you Representative Saine. I think the Representative has done, and the group who has put this together have done a great job of finding a moderate bill that will move us forward and protect animals but still allow the many good operations that exist in this state to continue to do their job. And the goal of the bill of course is to make sure that it exempts hunting and sporting dogs and facilities that are training and breeding them from having coverage under it. The problem of course in doing things quickly at the end is that we did an amendment in ?? that I think we came to regret as soon as it was done which created on lines 23 and 24 an exemption that could be read so ambiguously, it could go one of two ways. It could either be a loophole that allows anybody, even an operation that's a puppy mill operation that has one dog for sport, to be exempted from the whole bill. Or it could go the other way. Which is, it could be read by judges to say that unless you had everything as your dominant purpose, you aren't under the bill. So to be specific and try to get it exactly the purpose, we worked with staff and Representative Saine. And the amendment in front of you is, I think, exactly what we should have done in the first place and didn't do. And it says, this act essentially does not apply to kennels or boarding facilities where the majority of dogs are being bred or trained primarily for hunting, sporting, field trials or show, being maintained for hunting, sporting, field trials or show, or being kept primarily for the purposes other than for sale as offspring as pets. That's to make it as specific as it can be to exempt out all the things that we're trying to exempt out so it couldn't be read any differently by any judge. I think all sides are in agreement with the amendment but Mister Speaker, I just asked Representative Saine his position on the amendment just to be certain. Thank you. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Representative Saine, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Yes. Thank you Mister Speaker and thank you Representative Glazier for the amendment. I do support the amendment and so do our sponsors. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Further discussion? Further debate on the amendment? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment set forth by Representative Glazier to the House committee substitute for House Bill 930. All in favor will vote aye, all opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record please do so. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 115 having voted affirmative, 1 in the negative. The amendment passes. We are now back on the bill. Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [CHANGE SPEAKER] To debate the bill. [CHANGE SPEAKER] The lady is recognized to debate the bill as amended. [CHANGE SPEAKER] Thank you Mister Speaker. I have a great deal of respect for animal lovers. I've lived in close proximity to cats and dogs most of my life. But I also have a great deal of respect for the AKC and as an organization that lives and breathes dogs and care and concern for them, they have issues with this bill. This is another one of those cases where we pass a law to take care of a law that we don't enforce. The raid that Representative Saine mentioned was fully possible days, weeks, possibly even months before the day that it happened. But for various reasons whatever they might be, it was not taken action upon. So what we need to do is to remove any definitions of breeders as people who are owners of dogs. And when cruelty is reported whether it's a dog, a goat, or a horse that we've heard complaints about, then I think we need to follow the law and go rescue the animals and take care of them. As this law is written

It exempts all the dogs under 10 in the possession of owners. I cannot support it. I know the intentions are good but we also do legislate a lot of unintended. consequences down here, and I think with animal cruelty laws that we have with some teeth to them would be sufficient and we wouldn't be opening up a potential can of worms with this approach to this situation. Thank you Speaker :Representative dollar, please state your purpose. Dollar- - To ask the bill sponsor a question. Speaker :Representative Sane is the gentleman you, The gentleman you. Dollar -Thank you -I do want to ask you this quick question, if you know the answer to this. Does the AKC support this bill or is it at least neutral on this bill? And I realize based on representative Glazier's amendment which I think clarifies a number of things ; the answer to that may be different, but can you comment on that? Sane - I'd be glad to comment,thank you. No actually the AKC came out rite as the bill was filed and said that the bill did not go far enough, and which I agree with. However; we are all very aware of what we all will endure if we take this bill to far. We have seen it to many times in this body, at this legislature. So, with that in mind , and the bill has been called watered down; It is intentional so that we can get passage, so that we don't invade agricultural interest. So the AKC probably doesn't like it. They say in their press release it doesn't go far enough, but We/I we are not ready to throw out a good bill certain interests don't think it goes far enough. Thank You Speaker :Ms. Linda Mcelrap Please state your purpose. Linda - To speak on the bill Speaker : The lady is recognized to debate; the bill is amended. Linda -Thank you Mr speaker Actually on the AKC , I spoke with one of their lobbyists as we were developing the language for this bill and discussed this with them and; this bill is actually the AKC standards appeal. So, I'm not sure why they would object. We actually took the language from the AKC standards appeal. This bill is so moderate compared to the Puppy Mill bills that we tried to get through ever since I was a freshman here. In fact those people called me a peever. I am not a peever person. I respect our farmers.I respect our hunters, and I respect our breeders here. I am not an animal extremist. I do not say that animals have rites but I do respect the fact that if they are mistreated that we need to make sure that they have the care that they need. And that's all the bill does, is it makes sure that they are watered and fed, and that they have veterinary care, and ; If you have seen the pictures of some of these animals that are in these situations , you know some of these situations are actually situations where people are HORDERS . Some of these people are very poor people that are in these puppy mill situations. I had a puppy mill in Jones County where the people were very poor, and they actually needed someone to come in and rescue the animals and help. We did have HSUS and some of the other animal people come in and take those animals and then had to put them up and down,and also help their owners. So the owners really didn't have the resources to help their animals. So some of these people really need to be rescued themselves from what they are doing to these animals. This is not registration. It is not going the route of asking the department of agriculture to inspect breeding areas. This is when you get a complaint from someone where there is abuse and where they are not watering feeding the animals.

eyes are hanging out. They're very much in distress. They're very much being mistreated. This is a way that local law enforcement can get in there and do what they need to do. These are extreme cases. This is a very mild bill that we need to have so that our law enforcement can get in there and get these things shut down. Please vote for this bill. Thank you. Ladies and gentleman of the House, the chair would like to extend a welcome to students, teachers and chaperones from St. Marks Catholic Church in Wilmington. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] Representative Cleveland, please state your purpose. To speak on the bill. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. This is our session animal bill. Every since I've been here we've had one every session. This bill finally made it to the floor. And I guess what disturbs me about this is when these first started, when I first got here I thought there was a problem. That we didn't have a law that would protect the animals. So I asked research, our legislative research, "Are there laws on the books to protect animals in the state? Or do we really need to pass this law?" And the answer was, "There are more than sufficient laws on the books presently to protect the animals that are being harmed. So the law is not the problem. The problem is getting the local authorities to act. And this law, if we pass it, is not going to change that. It's not going to change it at all. However, I feel we are opening the door to that in the next section, session, we'll have another puppy mill bill, and it'll build on this one. So I don't think this is a good idea, and I'm not gonna vote for it. The law's on the books can handle it, the problem is local, and we're not gonna change it by passing another law that's gonna cause more problems down the road. But I am a PITA person, I'm a person that likes to eat tasty animals. Representative Cleveland, that comment was reminiscent of a debate that happened between you and Representative Jones a couple of years ago. Representative Whitmire, please state your purpose. To ask the bill sponsor a question. The gentleman is recognized, or Representative Saine, does the gentleman yield? I do yield. The gentleman yields. Appreciate your intent here. Just a question so we don't have too many ambulance chasers. The very top line of page two, it says in addition that any bedding material made available to dogs shalll be clean. Not trying to be smart or retorical but, had I've heard this in committee or had a chance to ask you earlier, give me some piece of mind that we know how clean clean is so we don't turn this into something that becomes extreme. Thank you. Thank you. You know I probably just ask a retorical question, "How clean is clean?" You know, this bill's not designed to go after and enforce and be some type of police state tactics that would regulate everybody that has a puppy dog with every ten females, and go after them with such ferociousness that we're now going to commit a lot of time to doing that. And I appreciate the question, and I can appreciate Representative Cleveland's remarks though I obviously disagree. As I read to you from the district attorney, our laws are not sufficient, this gives a little more teeth to that. It does have the specific exemtions, and that's really just one component. But I appreciate the question. It has been properly vetted, we have seen what can happen when bills get out of hand, but I'd also remind you that any bill that we pass can be misinterpreted. Any law

We pass can be misinterpreted by somebody who's overzealous and that's why it's also in the hands of our capable district attorneys to decide when to prosecute. I thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask representative Saine if he would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Thank you representative, and sort of getting back to that last question am I correct that the standards that you've taken and the language that you've taken and put in the bill are essentially the AKC standards? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That is correct, they are essentially the AKC standards and so we were hoping to codify it here. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. Thank you Mr. Speaker, thank you representative. And so the standards as they've been interpreted by them including the clean standard as part of what they do? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That is correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentleman without objection rule 12D is suspended, is there objection? So ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jordon please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry to the bill's sponsor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Representative Saine to follow up on the last question, the one before. Does the language in there say that the bedding shall be clean and at the same time not pose a risk to the dogs? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well representative Jordon it does say that and so another clear definition of what clean is. It's almost one of those you know it when you see it. But it does spell out so that it does not pose a risk to the dog. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have none it was an accident, I must have hit it with my elbow, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Speciale please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I don't have a dog in this fight, excuse the pun, but what concerns me - one of the things that concerns me is over regulation. I didn't come up here to over regulate, I didn't come up here to stick my nose into people's lives where it didn't need to be. We do have laws on the books that protect the animals.This bill particularly concerns me because of the ambiguities, there's many areas in this bill that can be misinterpreted 100 different ways. We just covered the bedding, the clean not posing a risk. What does that mean? When we're talking about a bill where somebody can get fined, somebody can get a record or go to jail, have their property confiscated we need to be a heck of a lot more specific than that. It exempts male dogs, hunting dogs, sporting dogs, kennels, boarding facilities, show dogs, nine dogs or less, are we protecting dogs here or are we not protecting dogs? I don't get the point here. It requires regular lighting cycles, what does that mean? Strobe lights in there. Allows for wire flooring, appropriate and prompt treatment to any deviation in health. What is considered a deviation of health? At what point is it required treatment? I mean who makes these determinations? We're talking about something that somebody can be charged with, their property can be taken. We need to be a lot more specific than that. Exercise on a daily basis, if IO kick him across the floor is that considered exercise? Access to fresh food and water, if I put it on the other side of the fence, if he's good enough and he can jump over the fence to get it he has access to his food and water. It's just a very ambiguous bill and we're looking at having people charged again and being fined, having their property taken on something that can be - nearly every line of this things can be misinterpreted one way or another. Euthanasia performed humanely. So should I choose the axe or the baseball bat? Please consider this when you get ready to vote on this bill, and I urge you to vote know until if and when we can come up with a bill that's a lot less ambiguous than this one. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Steinberg please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentleman there have been some very I think poor attempts at humor here during this debate that I personally have found very distasteful. That often happens in debate and I understand that. However, this bill, this bill is about something that we all, most of us I think cherish. I have a dog, I've had dogs all my life. I don't to exercise the dog as representative Speciale said I don't kick him across the room. Dogs spelled backwards is G-O-D, GOD, right? We don't find dogs, dogs find...

him us him in my lifetime and I will will the creature was). one particular animal that deserves our respect and a delusional debate. I understand I know. thank you, mistress vigor. I understand that this has not been opposed by agriculture, which has been one of the problems in the past on vice chairman of the agriculture committee. this bill. obviously the hands of Islam that there has been a great deal of thought and effort put into it. according to live sensitivity and my hearing is fully functional, hot dogs and dog control over the years that he supported a broad bill of any kind, whether that's a death sentence. well, in this particular legislation. I'm willing to stick my head in the dude 's name because I believe that this is indeed the right thing to do. we have a conversation about.well, if we do this and this is just opening the door for that but we don't know that this legislature sitting through this time is confronted with making a decision based on the facts that we have in front of us and based on the goodwill or lack thereof. we chose to exercise so let's vote on this bill. let's found on what this process. let's not worry about whether this bill is going to take us much, but students write. I went and visited a dark time didn't know it was the city him this was so sure, but also whom were taken as a result of a way that was being operated under in looking of these dogs and they were what had transpired with him was enough to carry her eye. I didn't really want going. I didn't even know the newspaper was going to be there. I got there and here's all sorts of financial cameras and so forth, and the story and I thought oh my goodness of the walk in here and I don't know what I'm going to say on the big guy on the tough guy, but I've also got a soft hearted under the soft-hearted violation of the soft spot in my heart for the arts by White House tells me dogs choose to enhance your socker and necessarily lose. that's not change number sixty five years old. I've always been a bit dog most of his sucker for those three things, but we have the governor 's wife who's here, the chamber has, who because this is something that she strongly believes in First Lady 's take on projects. this is one that she has chosen the take on a life anchor for it. I think it's advocates a wonderful effort by commander for and I think for those of us to sit here in this chamber and resort to the kind of bad attempts at humour that I've heard so far that Find quite frankly disgusting. this is not only a bad child is disrespectful and so it's even okay okay I'm going to be supporting this bill today and I'm going to John for those dogs him me throughout my lifetime, and that is to be there when I needed them to get my unconditional love and ask for nothing but respect for getting this bill does that, I was supportive. I encourage all of you with any sense of the heart. the same thing. publishers like your arms and equipment [SPEAKER CHANGES] in place that your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] . they don't bill was recognized the mistake of right now looking at the e-mail from the AJC that I got yesterday we see is that they do oppose this bill their reasons are low different from my mother who oppose the bill and I would echo whatsoever of Center of Cleveland said that we are to have all the buzz. we just need to force+ sales occur to me when I was reading through the bill

reading through all these requirements of what you have to do and all, it occurred to me I couldn't afford to get started in the business if I have to do all that. So I kind of have to wonder as a part of the reason for this is to eliminate some of the competition breeding operations starting so that the established businesses don't have that new competition. I don't know. I don't want to attribute any of these motives to Representative ??, he's a good guy and I think he has good intentions. I know he doesn't mean any of that stuff but I also, it occurs to me, they say don't look ahead but I have to look ahead because I think this is a slippery slope sort of thing. I don't think the bill is intended this way by the sponsor but I know that there are forces out there who would love to move us incrementally step-by-step toward no ownership of animals, no hunting and that sort of thing, and even though that's not the bill sponsors' intention I think a lot of the supporters beyond this body for this legislation have that intent and I don't intend to give them another step. So I ask you to vote no on this bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It's been said several times that we already have laws against it, therefore, we don't need this one. That's true we have laws against it but what this bill does is have a much lower amount of things that have to be proved and on the other hand the punishment is so slight. It's a Class 3 misdemeanor, which is the lowest possible offense. I support the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all I wanted to clarify for the record that I am not the Representative Jones that was involved in that debate with Representative Cleveland. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I did occur to me to mention it was former Representative Earl Jones. And a most memorable exchange. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I understand that sometimes it can be difficult to keep up with the Joneses around here. Mr. Speaker, I do rise in support of this bill and I'd like to thank my friend from Lincoln, Representative Saine, for taking on what I know has been a difficult issue over the years and bringing people together and members I would just say, I think in light of what Representative Saines said also the perfect is not the enemy of the good. We have heard today from some that believe the bill doesn't go far enough and some that believe that the bill goes too far but I would say that at the end of the day this is a good bill because I believe that if this bill passes that animals will be treated more humanely. I think it's significant as has been said that the First Lady of our State has taken a public stand on this issue, been courageous to do that, and is here today and she honors us with her presence here today. But I'd like to thank her for being willing to take a stand and as I say that ladies and gentleman I think of my own first lady. My wife at home has been very instrumental over the years in rescuing animals. Those of you that know me have heard me speak about how we now have four dogs at home and we've helped to find some dogs for others that are rescues. But I've been told all my life that you can tell a lot about the character of a person by the way that they treat their animals. It has been well said here on the floor that those of us speaking here are very, very adamant about the fact that nobody is making any sorts of claim that we believe that animals have rights like human beings or anything like that. I know that there are extreme positions out there, but I think this is a good bill. I think it does show a lot of character and I'd like to thank the sponsors and ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentleman of the House, the Chair would like to welcome another group of students from Pumpkin Center Intermediate School from Lincolnton. Please stand and let us welcome you. Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I promised myself I wasn't going to get into this argument but I've heard some things here during the argument that I think we ought to understand

stand. The first rule was that we ought to enforce the laws that we already have on the books. I don't know of any laws that we have on the books that's ?? being enforced. I think this is a bill that's needed in order to prevent a lot of cruelty going on to animals in this state. That's number one. The second thing I heard was something about ambiguity. And we are a body of ambiguities in this year. And I say that because we know that we have laws against stealing, but we passed laws against specific stealing. For instance, some years back we passed a law against stealing pine straw. Well, you know, stealing is stealing, whenever it is to steal. And we pass laws around here pinpointing those things to happen, so we do ambiguity, and we've done it this year. And the one bill bill I can think of that we've done that had ambiguities in it this year was the bill we passed last week called the gun bill. You wanna be ambiguous? A gun locked up in a car, on a campus, with a student in class. Now how ambiguous can you get? What kind of protection is that person going to give anybody? So, let's go ahead on and pass this bill, because it's needed, and we need to shut down these puppy mills. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speak on the bill, second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill, as amended, the second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you to my colleagues. Thank you for a spirited debate. It's been entertaining at times. It's been sad at times. Sometimes it's hard to decide who is supporting you and who is opposed to you by some of the comments that are made. But, that being said, I urge you to support the bill, and I thank you very much. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the House Committee substitute to house bill 930 as amended on its second reading. All in favor, vote aye. All opposed, vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Clerk will lock the machine, record the vote. 100 having voted in the affirmative, 15 in the negative. The House Committee substitute to house bill 930 has passed in second reading, without objection. Will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina united. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the House Committee substitute to house bill 930, as amended on its third reading. All in favor, say aye. All opposed, say no. The ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it. The House Committee substitute house bill 930 has passed its third reading, will be engrossed and sent to the senate. Ladies and gentlemen, again, the chair would like to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the first lady, Ann McCrory, and to personally thank her for her work on this bill. Thank you. House bill 442. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for house bill 442, a bill to be entitled, an act to require an additional petition be submitted to the municipal incorporation subcommittee to set a time limit on the life of the petition submitted to that subcommittee, and to make technical corrections. General senate of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brown, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What this bill does is just make two basic changes in our laws of municipal incorporations. The first one's on the front end. Traditionally, we have always allowed the voter, the registered voter to have the opportunity to sign a petition of 15% threshold. With this bill, we're going to add property owners, because so many times, well not so many times, but there are occasions when your property owner and your registered voter are not synonymous. So, this gives property owners the right to have a say before municipal incorporation is anticipated or gone forward. At the back end of it, what we've done is to set a time frame for this municipal incorporation because we have these on the books that are uncompleted, that date back to like 2000 and before, and we know that those are not that valid, because people die, and people move. So we have set a three year term

From the beginning of that municipal and corporation effort to the time that they get it to the committee, the sub-committee, municipal, corporations, in a two year period for us as legislators to get that bill, that local bill through the house, through the senate and calling for the referendum to take place. I am happy to take questions and I just appreciate support on it who give people no voice, as I said who are not registered voters necessarily but who do own property at least at the front end of this process of much needed voice. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [Speaker Change] Further discussion, further debate. If not the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute to house bill 442 on its second reading, all in favor vote aye, all oppose vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 111 have voted in the affirmative, four in the negative. The house substitute house bill 442 has passed its second reading without objection will be read a third time [Speaker Change] ???, North Carolina (1:00) [Speaker Change] Further discussion, further debate. Representative Floyd please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] Mr. Speaker, I had a visual problem house bill 930 I’d like to record I voted aye. [Speaker Change] The gentleman would like to be recorded as voting aye on … house bill 930. The gentleman will be recorded as voting aye. Further discussion, further debate. If not the question before the house is the passage of that house committee substitute to house bill 442 on a serve reading, all in favor please say aye, all opposed say no. The ayes have it, the house committee substitute to house bill 442 has passed its third reading, will be sent to the senate. House bill 656 the clerk will read. [Speaker change] Committee substitute for house bill 656 ??? developing the laws for seizure, forfeiture, and sale of motor vehicles used by defendants in felony cases involving speeding to elude arrest. ??? Senator of North Caroline next. [Speaker Change] Representative McNeil please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To read the bill. [Speaker Change] The gentleman is recognized to read the bill. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker, fellow representatives. In 2011 this body passed legislation making it a felony for speeding to elude arrest crimes, and it set up a procedure for the forfeiture and sale of those vehicles involved at the time the procedure that was used was a procedure that had been used in the past for prearranged racing vehicles. Those procedures turn out to be complicated, seldom used and did not work well for those particular situations. This bill repeals those procedures and inserts the procures already in the statues that used for the forfeiture of vehicles for impaired driving. These procedures have worked well many years. So simply put we are asking to repeal the procedures, and insert the procedures for impaired driving into the statue for speeding to elude arrest. Again these procedures are tried and true procedures that have been used for many years received favorable report yesterday in finance and it is supported by the sheriffs association, I commend the bill to you. [Speaker Change] Please state you purpose. [Speaker Change] To read the bill. [Speaker Change] Gentleman is recognized to read the bill. [Speaker Change] To those of you who were here last term recall that this the legislation that we titled, “Run and You’re done,” and ??? had a lot to do with that. It has worked well with exception of the burden on the agencies when the cars were seized and the disposed of and this is a good bill it takes care of that and uses a tried and trued method, and I urge support of it. [Speaker Change] Further discussion further debate. If not the question before the house is to pass it to the house committee substitute to house bill 656 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record please do so now. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 113 having voted affirmative 2 in the negative, to the house committee substitute to house bill 656 has passed its second reading without objection, will be read a third time. Further discussion further debate. If not the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute to house bill 656 on its third reading. All in favor say aye, all opposed say no. The ayes have it, the house committee substitute to house bill 656 has passed its third reading, and will be sent to the senate.

House Bill 698. The bill’s been entitled An Act to Authorize Criminal History Checks for Current Volunteers or Paid Fire Department Personnel in Emergency Medical Services Personnel. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 698 is a little less controversial than the last one. It would authorize criminal history checks for current volunteers or paid fire department personnel and emergency medical service personnel. What this essentially does is, since folks are already hired, and these folks are going into homes that many times...we want to make sure that the public safety is acknowledged even after they’re hired, where you could go into another state and maybe commit a crime and no one would know about it, so that’s the intent of this bill. The departments will have the ability to go and continue to do background checks on their personnel. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If no, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 698 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the House Bill 698 has passed its second reading. Without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 698 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed say no. The ayes have it. House Bill 698 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 870. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for House Bill 870. The bill has been entitled An Act to Require All Public Bodies to Record Meetings Held in Closed Session. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dixon, please state your purpose. . [SPEAKER CHANGES] To send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dixon moves to amend the bill on page 1, lines 23 through 25 by deleting the lines and substituting the following. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the House. This amendment makes a pretty good deal a very good deal by extending exceptions to those times when the public bodies will be required to record their closed sessions. The first one of those is any information that’s privileged or confidential pursuant to the laws of the state of North Carolina or the United States. This covers the federal student records that are particularly important to the boards of education. Number two, 14331811A3, which is the attorney/client privilege. And then number six under that same section, which is personnel. And then one that I just actually discovered today to add to it, and that is the any information that’s discussed relative to plans to combat terrorism, which is basically a new situation there under number nine. I urge adoption of the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Dixon to the House committee substitute for House Bill 870. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative and 2 in the negative, House Bill 870 passes on its second reading and will, without object… Excuse me, strike that. We’re now back on the bill. Representative Dixon has the floor to continue explaining the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I like the route you were going to start with there, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, the intent of this bill, or what we’re seeking with this bill is to help promote public trust in the way that public bodies conduct the people’s business. And secondly, an attempt to reduce the temptation that occurs oftentimes in under-reported...

That which takes place in closed session. This bill, in its previous form, passed as far as I could tell, unanimously out of education and judiciary A. The recordings that are of closed session will become eligible for public inspection, and will be retained for a period of two years after they become eligible for public inspection. The last thing I want to say is that it becomes effective with those bodies that are currently doing this that one day in October 1 of '13, and any of the public bodies that are not doing this will have until July 1st of 2014 to become eligible for this. I'd be glad to answer any questions. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, representative Micheaux arise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask Representative Dixon a couple of questions, if you don't mind. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dixon, I'm having a little heartburn with the bill here. The first thing I want to ask you is, why would you go into closed session if you're going to make these things available for inspection by the public either then or anytime after? What's the necessary of going into closed session, if you're going to do that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Micheaux, my understanding is that in the state of North Carolina, who do not allow secret meetings. The current statutes in the open meetings law occasionally, on a temporary basis, allows public bodies to go into closed session. While they're in that closed session, they are still conducting public business, and they are only allowed to conduct that public business behind closed doors for a temporary period of time, and then they are required by current statutes to release what they did in closed session to the public. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Another question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for another question. Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Then, if that's the case, why are you reiterating that in this particular bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No longer than I've been up there, Representative Micheaux, it has been my experience that it's never too late to reiterate again. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Another question, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do not. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. Oh, he does not yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to speak on the bill, then. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Durham is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen, I understand that there's always a need in public bodies for closed sessions. In this body in particular, we close sessions, and you don't know what ever is coming out of there that happen. But here again, there are things in closed sessions, for instance in the hiring of people in our school systems and whatnot where you're hiring superintendents. If you're going to let this information come out and be public [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the representative yield for a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman from Durham yield for question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Have you looked at the exceptions to that this ammendment we just passed does? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have looked at the exceptions, yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Second question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield to a second question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Do you understand them? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm beginning to wonder whether I do or not. That's why I'm arguing my argument. I'm trying to understand it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman from Durham continues to have the floor to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I just don't see if we're going to do this, and closed sessions are there for a particular purpose, why are we going to let this information come out to the public anywhere down the line? I know that there are exceptions in there, and we've got exceptions all over the place, so it's just a puzzle to me as to why we have to do this in this particular instance, and particularly if you're going to record that meeting. It's nice to have maybe a recordation of a vote that was taken into close meeting, but any of the other information in their, even with the exceptions or without the exceptions opens up a whole can of worms to me, and I've just got a problem with it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hastings, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, to see if Representative Dixon will yield for a [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dixon, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a friendly question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Represented Dixon, this is a complicated area of law. And I've just had a chance to read this today.

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-The money with this particular bill if it is approved; so by taking out this reference I don't want anyone to think that we aren't hoping to get the money in the budget process , but what we would be left with is the substantive provisions , the frame work, and the concept; and it would be our job if this passes to persuade the budget writers and ourselves to appropriate the necessary funds; so I would ask the house to consent to this amendment. Speaker : Representative Glazier Glazier - Mr speaker, I still haven't seen the amendment come through on dashboard. It may be in its process, and, I think I'm fine with it but I'd like to read it. :The house be at ease. -Thank you Speaker : Ladies and gentlemen on dashboard, I show as the current item or highlighted as the current item , the pay one. I think the reference is actually A-NBC-305 from representative Blackwell. Does everyone see that on their dashboard ? Is there anyone who does not see it? The gentleman has the floor to continue to debate the bill. Glazier - Just in response to the "any" concern; basically if you look at the bill itself, what the amendment is doing on page 3 is deleting lines 1 through 12 and taking what is subsection 2b and making it into a section 2 by itself,1 through 10 was the line in which we talked about our intent to appropriate . I would again ask the house to consent to this amendment please. Speaker : further discussion , further debate if not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by representative Blackwell for the house comity substitute of the house bill 968. All in favor vote "I." All opposed vote "no." :Clerk will open the bill. : The clerk will have machine record the vote. 110 having voted affirmative 2 in the negative :The amendment sent forth by representative Blackwell for the house comity substitute. The house bill substitute was passed. :representative Blackwell please state your purpose. - Speaker to the bill please :Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill as amended. Blackwell - If I may and if so inclined, I had put on your desk earlier several pages that are stapled together. The top sheet up at the top says in enlarged type "Cape Academy Trends " ; and, Id like to refer to that and explain a little of that information in support of this bill. Let me start by saying at the beginning of this session, the general assemblies session back in late January early February ; One of the early bills that we passed was a bill that would begin the process of putting endorsements on the high school diplomas. There would be an endorsement saying that someone was career ready or someone was college ready, and if somebody wanted to sort of mix the two that was a 3rd option, but; essentially the idea was some students are not interested in going on to a four year college or university. They are interested in primarily maby getting prepared for the workforce, and so therefore there would be a career ready option, and then there would be the college ready option. Another thing that I would offer as we talk about this is its very typical in my experience , in just over 4 years that I have been here in this body for us to say that, and this is true of the educational system, we are doing things on the basis of research and data that supports what we are doing. In this instance what I would like to argue is that is exactly what we are doing , in the handout that I have put on your desk about Cape Academies; let me explain that this is from Florida and CAPE simply means "Career And Professional Education." Florida began a process of requiring that all of it's school districts have at least 1 of these Cape Academies its school district. This began in 2008.

Because in this instance what we're talking about is some longitudinal data that shows us trends and they are trends that I think we in North Carolina would want to emulate. Now the top couple of things simply show you the n umber of academies that have increased and the number of students that have enrolled. Notice that since they began a program that is similar to 968 would propose, they've gone from having just under 20,000 students enrolled in these programs to over 150,000 students. The percentage of high school population participating in this has increased. A key feature of this though is that we're working towards industry certifications and you can see that the industry certifications earned in four years that the program was in place as shown on this chart, went from under 1000 to 33,255. Let me also comment that I think understanding that what we're talking about with an industry certification is a further compliment to why we ought to want to do this in North Carolina. These certifications are not something that a high school gives a test of its own making and decides that you've passed it and the high school gives you a certification. This is a certification that is done on the basis of testing that is developed normally at a national level by a business or industry group. So it is in effect an independent evaluation of the quality of hat these students have learned. And in Florida you can see there is a huge increase in the number of those certifications that are being earned. If you go to the second page of the handout you can also see some other performance categories that show you that students that are participating in these cape academies, or if they're not even in a cape academy but they're involved in the certification programs, their grade point averages are higher relative to the ones that are not working with certification programs. Their absenteeism is less, their disciplinary problems are less, their drop out rates are substantially less. They earn diplomas at the twelfth grade level in much higher proportion. They are more likely to take accelerated courses. And there's a reference to bright futures, eligible seniors.Bright futures is simply a Florida name for a program that they have that offers scholarship funded by their Florida lottery, and there are qualifications that you have to meet in order to be eligible for it. And this is simply showing that the students who participate in the certifications and earn them are qualifying if they choose to go on with their education for those supports at higher levels. And the 2011, 12 and the 2010, 11 numbers are there. Finally I would like to call your attention to the last two pages. There's a pie chart there that shows the ethnic breakdown for Florida's student population for the fall of 2011 and I'd like you to look at that in conjunction with the last page which is the industry certifications earned by race, and look at the bottom of that long page with all the figures where it says total... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And if you look at the black or African American students as a percentage of the ones that are earning these industry certification. For example for that year it was... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask Representative Blackwell a very very friendly question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blackwell, and I don't mean any disrespect or anything but I noticed as long as you've been talking that queue [??] has been going up and up and up. And I'm wondering... [SPEAKER CHANGES] If I could sit down? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm fixing to say that. I thought we fixed the bill when we took out the money and I don't know of anybody - there may be somebody who's opposed to it but I really don't think there's anybody who's opposed to it, and I'm just wondering, you know. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well I hope that you're right Representative Michaux and I am at the end of my remarks with this final comment. The pie chart...

demonstrates that this is across all population groups, and that is an important message for us to keep in mind. That we want to encourage participation in these programs. This legislation is well designed to do that, and it's based on something that has worked well in Florida. Thank you, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Luebke, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. To see if Representative Blackwell will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Blackwell, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I will. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Blackwell, the amendment that we just adopted took out the language at the top of page 3, which referenced the amount of appropriation that you, I guess you, believe is necessary to fund this program. So where does that leave us in terms of the appropriation, are you going to have to go before the Appropriations Committee and request the dollar amounts that are in this bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Just, you'll, your plan is to just roll that in to the overall Education Budget? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. My hope is, Mr. Speaker, my hope is that in the appropriation process, this program will be in place because the General Assembly, I hope, will have already adopted this framework. And that the money to fund it will be allocated in the budget appropriation process. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you. Speak very briefly on the bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you. Members of the House, especially my colleague, Representative Michaux, I do actually have a problem with this bill. And it is simply that I don’t think we ought to be giving bonuses to teachers to be pushing particular curricula. As I said in the Education Committee, globalization is an incredibly important area for people to study. Why don't we give students bonuses for the, teachers bonuses if their students go and get a scholarship in college to study globalization issues? It doesn’t make sense to me, no one is a stronger supporter of CTI than, CTE than I am and we've got a great program in Durham. But the logic of the bill seems wrong to me. And I want to go home and so do you, so I'm stopping right now, but I will be voting against the bill for just that reason. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Larry Bell, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Ask ?? a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Blackwell, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. He yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question I have is, these Academies you're talking about, can be within a school, like a school within a school, it don't have to be separate buildings, am I correct on that? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Bell, we will not necessarily have an Academy per say. The Academy model is used in Florida, and I was simply trying to explain what it was so that Members who wanted to look at these chart to understand the support for what happened there would understand what an Academy was. But the basic thrust is that we will provide incentives to all districts across the state to offer rigorous job related industry certification coursework. And that is essentially what Florida did with such success. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Holloway, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Briefly speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman is recognized to briefly speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Yes, Mr. Speaker, and I certainly respect what Representative Michaux had to say. I just wanted to quickly thank Representative Blackwell for letting me work with him on this bill. Yes, there were a couple concerns that were brought up with Education Committee, but we used this model because it has produced results in other states. The thing that I encourage you to keep in mind is this is about the students. This bill provides more opportunities for them to help them excel, and I think that's what our mission should be in Education. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Baskerville, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Inquiry to the bill sponsor. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Representative Blackwell, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just a question, do we know where the, where the Florida model, where their appropriations came from? Was it from the state or was it from a private entity? [SPEAKER CHANGES]. Mr. Speaker, I cannot be 100 percent sure, but I am almost 100 percent sure that the money for the bonuses and the incentive payments, the partnership came from state funding. There is some in kind contribution from the College Board, who was working to assist with professional development and so forth. At least in the case of the AP bill that's coming up next. In the case of the

him courses that we what we would call it here in flat. it's my understanding they have a different student funding model, and they added money to the allocation for the local school districts based on the numbers of students. I had that were in these courses, and completed them successfully within the local district would have had various options as to how to extend that money but bonuses for the teachers of successful students was a part of that [SPEAKER CHANGES] further discussion further debate and not question the White House is the passage of the House committee substitute out on nine sixty eight, as amended, on second reading on paper, but I all." note." Bartlett machine for the one hundred and two having a deferment, eight, and the negative the house committee substituted out from nine sixty eight, as amended, is passed at second reading without objection will be records Johnson, North Carolina next to discuss it further back. if not, the question of whether House 's passage, the House committee substitute out of nine sixty eight, as amended, on its third rating on favor say I all closing of guys have the house committee since two thousand and sixty eight is amended as passes third reading ability, engrossing sense of the Senate ice. similar how secure would like to extend a courtesies of the floor and thank you to the nurse of the day nurse of the day is Mindy Mister Morrow, Ms. Amaru from Cary, North Carolina, many thank you for him house bill nine sixty nine [SPEAKER CHANGES] Brownsville nine six nine incident on a Mac to broaden successful participation must use the new dance courses you have a limited achievement and access gaps and to create performance incentives for schools and teachers more speed of excellence in advanced courses. Johnson of North Carolina. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Senator Blackwell take a purpose. since most of the message and fragmented system for the mammoth article rate birth of the background, those Mandeville, page three, lines twenty three through twenty five by deleting the language and substituting the following is recognized and recommend a mistake of this amendment would do the same thing for [SPEAKER CHANGES] this bill that we just talked about with reference to the forest. I would ask how stupid the discussion further debate on the amendment is not a question for the house is the past few minutes and forth by retsina Blackwell for the House committee substituted out of nine sixty nine,all of a remote outpost out of our equipment are watching reported about one hundred nine had either the front of one of the negative the amendment passes were now back on the bill for the discussion further bank presented Blackwell,please take your purpose speak on the film gentleman is recognized to make [SPEAKER CHANGES] the bill is amended outside of this quickly before the kid gets too long. if you would be kind enough if you're interested in looking at the handouts that were paid for I think, says AP exams taken about nineteen ninety nine a Florida with reference to advanced placement courses entered into a partnership with the College Board to try to promote more students taking these more rigorous courses, which if successful, Handley achieved college credit, which theoretically could save both students and parents and state taxpayers dollars. you can see from the first page that from the time that that partnership in this program that I build nine sixty nine and is mode led on the time that started. you can see from the line. they are, how their anticipation of exams took off your leg in the second page. for example, up until nineteen ninety nine when the partnership began. they had about a sixty

[Speaker Change] That normally sound, maybe decent from going back to nineteen ninety one. But once the partnership began and the program was put into place that we would like to try, there was a three hundred and ninety one percent increase that is shown by that chart. If you look at the next page this is talking about not how many taking the course, it’s talking about how many are passing with at least a three or higher. And you can see there that overall there was a three hundred and sixteen percent increase. Particularly noteworthy, on the next page you can see that Florida’s Hispanic students, who had been dually unrepresentative in those taking the courses and passing them experience of that same time period of five hundred eighty five percent increase. Next page indicates that for their, well I’m sorry. Skip over two pages. For the African American students there were, there was an increase of seven hundred and ten percent in students taking it but, I think the increasing passing rate for African Americans in Florida was four hundred and seventy five percent. We would only just like to do anywhere close to that in North Carolina for our students. Finally if you’ll look at the two pages that are stapled together and I think paper clipped at the back of those first papers I mentioned, you can see from the first page that North Carolina is not doing too badly in a sense that we are just below the national average of U.S. public school graduates who scored a three or higher on an A.P. exam. But Florida, on the other hand, is at twenty seven point three percent, they are fourth in the nation. If you flip to the next page there’s information that shows you what’s happened in Florida versus North Carolina in the ten year period from two thousand two to two thousand twelve. Florida at the top now, second in the nation, show a twelve point nine percent gain from fourteen point four percent to twenty seven point three. North Carolina, you can see, is well down the chart. We had a five point six percent in increase, which brought us up to nineteen point three but still not making the kind of gains and the broad based gains across all ethnic groups that were made in Florida. Its on the strength of those numbers that we are oppotomistic that if we try this program in North Carolina, that we can have similar results. I urge the House to approve this. [Speaker Change] Representative Fisher, please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] To debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] The lady is recognized to debate the Bill. [Speaker Change] Thank you Mr. Speaker and I will be brief ladies and gentlemen. I come from a district that was able to provide funding for students who could not afford to take the A.P. exams and I think that this piece of this Bill is good. And we ended up having one of the highest A.P. participation rates in the country. And what I think we’re after here is to not miss the really good potential that students have, who may otherwise not be able to take A.P. classes or take the A.P. exams. I, while I am very concerned about what we pay our teachers overall, and I think all teachers who are preparing students to take A.P. courses and A.P. exams ought to be paid better than they are today. I do support this Bill and I would ask my colleagues to support it as well. Thank you. [Speaker Change] Representative Richardson, please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] Mr. Speaker, I would like to change my vote on the previous amendment to yes. [Speaker Change] The, the lady wishes to be recorded as having voted, as recording, voted as aye on it? Okay. Representative Shepard, please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] Yes sir Mr. Speaker. I would like to be recorded also as voting yes on the House Bill Nine Six Two. [Speaker Change] The gentleman being recorded as voting aye. Representative Holloway, please state your purpose. [Speaker Change] Speak on the Bill. [Speaker Change] Gentleman is recognized to debate the ….

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We’re in agreement with the majority in the Senate and to move forward with the government reorganization and efficiency. I’ll try to keep the given the hour and given the day I’ll try to keep the explanation as brief as possible. But let me suffice it to say we, we all debated Senate bill 10. We understand the various boards and commissions that were being eliminated in that and restructured. What this bill does that is different essentially from what the conference report would have been as the filling. All of the provisions there having to do with the special superior court judges that a lot of folks objected to that’s gone. There’s no reference to superior court judges in this bill in any way. So that provision is entirely gone. All of the provisions with respect to the board of elections that had some folks keyed up those are all entirely gone at this time too. And all the provisions with respect to the utilities commission have been stricken from the bill. There was also some language in there about climate warming. That that language came out of there. That was, that was in one, that was ?? one sentence. Some people had some questions about that. Otherwise this bill is what the majority had, had agreed upon and all of the conferees for the House had signed off on. It’s slightly different from what we passed in the House. It’s a lot different from what was passed in the Senate. And I think it represents a good, a good compromise on the issue again as many of you know the the main sticking points in the last bill were the superior court judges and those provisions are out. I have, I have requested staff to put on your dashboard and you should have it a bill summary that goes through line item by line item of those various commissions and boards for those who are so inclined to wanna go through it. But I, I, at this time unless I get questions I’m not gonna go back through all that because we spent many hours on this bill a while back. And I, I want to be respectful of members’ times particularly given we’re so thirsty. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Harrison please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To briefly debate the bill and set forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker of the House and ladies and gentlemen of the House. I don’t want repeat the comments I made during previous debates. But I did want to remind you this is still an unprecedented sweep of board members on these important oversight commissions. At least there’ll be 100 current members that will be removed from the sitting board members from boards and commissions. There this is important because these people have particular expertise and it helps to have the institutional knowledge when you transition from the new appointees. So I think it is particularly problematic because 90 of those 100 are coming from environmental boards. The Coastal Resource Commission. The Environmental Management Commission. The Coastal Resources Advisory Commission. And the, the Wildlife Resources Commission. And with regard to the Environmental Management Commission in particular we are losing some seats has specific designations for conversation and public health interests. And I think that’s problematic. Also because we’re losing the EMC sitting members those have ex officio positions on other commissions and particular the Mining and Energy commission. And I think that’s going to be important loss because the EMC appointee to the Mining and Energy commission which we have tasked with writing our fracking rules is now no longer going to be part of that body. And I understand everyone agrees that he’s an integral part of that process. I think that’s a problem. But what bothers me most is that the language that was in the House version of the Senate bill 10 that would insure that a majority of the members of the Environmental Management Commission don’t profit from or otherwise represent in, the industries that the EMC is supposed to regulate. That language, that conflict of interest language is not in this bill. And it was in the House version of Senate bill 10. And that if I can be recognized to send forth an amendment Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady’s recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Harrison moves to mend the bill on page 10 lines 30 through 32 by rewriting the lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady’s recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen. This just restores the language that was in the House version of Senate bill 10 that restores the conflict of interest language that applies to the Environmental Management Commission. And I urge your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members. The, the language I would ask you to oppose the amendment. Very simply the amendment is not necessary. The state ethics act applies to this board. This one thing you’ll notice in this bill is makes it even more clear that the state ethics acts apply to these various boards and commissions. It was deemed that, that determined that, that that language was problematic. And during, during the process of the conference committee

Of the House conferees and the Senate conferees agree to strike that language. Therefore I would ask you members if you would to oppose the lady’s amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, under rule 24.1A, I’d like to be excused from voting, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be excused. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Harrison to the House Committee Substitute for House Bill 1011. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [PAUSE] The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 43 having voted in the affirmative and 68 in the negative, the amendment fails. Now we’re back on the bill. Representative Daughtry, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, this is [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is a good compromise to Senate Bill 10. I think it’s an excellent bill now and I hope you’ll all support it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1011 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [PAUSE] All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 69 having voted in the affirmative and 42 in the negative, the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1011 has passed its second reading and without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1011 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes appear to have it. The ayes do have it. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1011 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen, just if I could get your attention again, I’ve had at least one committee chair come to me, informing me that the 6PM session time conflicted with a calendar appointment. I would encourage the members to consider potentially moving up their, or I should say their committee meeting. I would encourage the members to potentially consider moving their committee meetings up an hour so that we can still accommodate the 6PM start. [PAUSE] Notices and announcements. Representative Bill Brawley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For two announcements, please, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for announcements. [SPEAKER CHANGES] First I wanted to announce the success of the customer service attitude that’s been brought to the Department of Environmental Natural Resources. 11 years ago, a water permit for intervention transfer was authorized pending an environmental assessment, and I’m happy to announce that after 11 years, that has finally been granted and some children that were in the first grade that have now gone to college can come home and get fresh ?? water in the Yadkin Valley Goose Creek Basin. The second announcement is when that basin was first formed by the glaciers during the last cold portion of earth history, Greg Horn was farming somewhere in Pennsylvania. He has survived yet another year and continues to advance in age and maturity and we are grateful that we have had his presence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [APPLAUSE] [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Motion concerning some re-referrals of a couple bills, if I might. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for motions. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, House Bill 343, short title is court procedure and fee amendments. I move that the bill be removed from the Committee on Appropriations and calendared for Monday night, subject to Rule 36B. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection, so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And one additional, if I might. House Bill 359, retirement administrative law changes. I move that that be removed from the calendar of 36B and referred to the Committee on Appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection, so ordered. Representative Brian Brown, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The House will come to order. The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in conjunction with Governor Pat McCrory and Commerce Secretary Susan Decker, my home county of Pitt County announced a major job expansion of about a 96 million

...dollar investments in a company called Asmo. For those of you who are not aware of this company, it's a Japanese company that makes the majority of windshield wiper motors in all of your vehicles. It will add a roughly a minimum of about 200 jobs to Pitt County. These are very much needed jobs to our county and or region. And I just want to bring that to your awareness and I certainly applaud the efforts of our county in bringing those jobs to our county. Thank you, very much. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Moffitt, please state your purpose. [Applause] [SPEAKER CHANGE] An announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members, the full Committee on Regulatory Reform will be Monday afternoon at 3:00 in Room 643. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Murry, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The full Commerce Committee will meet Monday at 4:00 p.m. at Room 643. We have already noticed it via e-mail and we will likely do another notice once some referrals happen and we will add to that agenda. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Pages, if we could have the pages come forward to the front of the Chamber and those at the diaz step down, we'll continue as notices, announcements have they assemble. Representative Larry Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Announcement, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Democrats will caucus at 5:30 p.m. Monday. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Goodman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker, I'd like to be recorded as voting no on House Bill 1011, please. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman will be recorded as having voted no on House Bill 1011. Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Judiciary B will be meeting at 4:00 on Monday. We'll be putting out an agenda later this afternoon. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Hurley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For a moment of personal privilege, please. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The lady is recognized for a point of personal privilege. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to let you all know that there will be a movie on Saturday night that was filmed in my district and it's on the Hallmark Channel at 9:00. It is a world premier and it starts at 9:00 on the Hallmark Channel and it was made in my district and the owners are Linda and something Neal. [laughs] Anyway, love for you to watch it. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Iler, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Members of the Transportation Committee will meet 15 minutes after this session's over. Or as soon as a quorum is present, whichever comes first. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Langdon, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Point of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized for a point of personal privilege. The House will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGE] As most of you may already know, my seatmate's birthday is today. So I wanted to recognized that. There was two or three people have asked me did I know his age and I can tell you he did tell me his age awhile ago but I'm older than he is and I forgot it. [laughter] But I wish him a happy birthday. [applause] [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The Republicans will caucus at 5:00 on Monday. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Ladies and gentleman of the House, if the House will come to order. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the pages for your work this week. I hope that you had some, hope you had a good time. I hope you learned a few things and most importantly I hope you'll bring your experience back to your family members, your brothers, sisters and friends, and encourage them to come down here and serve with us. We appreciate everything you did this week. We hope you enjoyed it. Have a great rest of the school year and a fantastic summer. Members, let's thank them appropriately. [applause] You may now return to your stations. You don't get to go home quite yet. Ladies and gentleman of the House, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to another school group that's come in. It's another group of students, teachers and chaperones from Pumpkin Center Intermediate School in Lincolnton, Lincoln County. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] And ladies and gentleman, before we make the motion to adjourn, for planning purposes next week. It will be a very busy week. It is crossover week. The Chair does not anticipate that the crossover date will change. Therefore, Thursday at midnight would be the last possible moment that we will have to have bills crossover and be eligible. They will be, for the freshman in particular, this is a very important week to pay attention to meeting announcements. There will probably be instances where we will need to recess in the middle...

...session to allow committees to work. That's just a natural part of the process. We will try to do our best to give you some breaks in between, but we anticipate very lengthy sessions next week up into Thursday evening. We do not anticipate session on Friday because that is the day after Crossover, so that's at least one right spot. If you'll bear with us we'll do everything we can. If any of you are having problems trying to get bills moved, I've met with some of the members of the Democratic caucus this week to see if we could offer some help on bills that are supported by the leadership, and the same holds true for any members obviously on the Republican side. We hope that it's an uneventful week, but it will be one that everybody will be put to the test. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] An inquiry of the chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Would it be possible to get some precise and official guidance on exactly what renders a bill not subject to crossover as far as maybe a fee or an appropriation? What exactly can render a current bill not subject to crossover, and when does that have to be done to be officially recognized? I think a lot of people, a lot of members have that on their mind. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, would the gentlemen like to respond to the question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure, I'd be glad to. The crossover rules, and I've had a lot of these questions, good point to bring up. The crossover rule that members of this chamber should be concerned with is the crossover rule of the senate, because that's what dictates what bills come from this house that the senate will consider. Of course, our crossover rule deals with bills that we receive from the senate. What essentially the bill has to do is it has to have an appropriation in it or it has to levy a tax or a fee. It has to be that. It has to have that in the bill for it to be eligible. The inquiry of whether it's crossover eligible, as I understand, is when it arrives to the other chamber. Does it have the fee, does it have the tax, does it have the appropriations. That's the issue, but there are other ways to deal with bills that run up on time when it's...you've seen PCSs and those sorts of things, so just try to move your bills along, but there are other avenues. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members should also be aware, again, for the, primarily for freshman members, but it varies for ?? for all members that local bills are obviously allowed in the short session. What Representative Moore was also referring to is bills that move out of the chamber that may not be used and some bills that came from the senate that may not be required because the house bill was passed are all valid vehicles for future legislation next year. Representative Floyd, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry, chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen may state his inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Chair, there are some concerns. They always say that "You are an honorable person," and as we go through next week... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Did you say, "There are some concerns that I'm an honorable person?" [SPEAKER CHANGES] No, they say that you are. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Oh. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd just like to hold you to that as we go through the lengthy meetings next week that we will be allowed to have some breaks because of our age. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, yeah. We may even open all the doors, Representative Floyd, but we will. The members need to be mindful that if it goes particularly long, if you will communicate to me if you have a special circumstance and it's something that we're voting on that's particularly important to you, we'll do everything we can to accommodate it. Any further notices and announcements? Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I've moved that subject to receipt of messages from the senate, the receipt of committee reports, the receipt of conference reports, and the re-referral of bills and resolutions that the house do now adjourn to reconvene on Monday, May the 13th, 2013 at 6:00 PM. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Mashaw, move, seconded by Representative Floyd, and subject to the receipt of messages from the senate, receipt of committee reports, receipt of conference reports, and re-referral of bills and resolutions that the house do now adjourn to reconvene on Monday, May the 13th at 6:00 PM. All in favor say, "Aye." All opposed say, "No." The "Aye's" have it, the house has adjourned.