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House | May 8, 2013 | Chamber | Session

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...The House will come to order. Members, please take your seats. Visitors, please retire from the chambers. We'll allow a couple of minutes; Sergeant-at-Arms, allow just another minute to allow members to enter the chamber. Members and visitors in the gallery, please silence all cellular phones and personal electronic devices. [pause] The Sergeant-at-Arms will close the doors. [pause] The prayer will be offered by Representative Fulghum. Members and visitors in the gallery, please stand and please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] May we pray? From a Christian hymn, Near the Cross. O Lamb of God, Bring its scenes before me; Help me walk from day to day, with its shadows o’er me. In the cross, in the cross, be my glory ever; till my raptured soul shall find rest beyond the river. Near the cross I’ll watch and wait Hoping, knowing, trusting ever, Till I reach the golden strand, Just beyond the river. Amen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America; and to the republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, the journal from Tuesday, May the seventh, 2013 has been examined and found to be correct. I move approval as written. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore moves that the journal for May the seventh be approved as read; and all those in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The journal is approved as written. Petitions, memorials, or papers addressed to the General Assembly of the House, ratifications of bills and resolutions, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] [??] Enrolling clerk reports the following bills be ratified [??] presentation. The Governor submits Senate Bill 91, an act to clarify the law pertaining to administrative action that may be taken by the Occupation Licensing Board as a result of expunged charges or convictions under GS-15A-145.4 and GS-15A-145.5; House Bill 149, an act to make a criminal offense the failure to report the disappearance of a child to law enforcement and increase the criminal penalty for concealing the death of a child; increase the criminal penalty for making false, misleading, or unfounded reports to law enforcement agency, and exempt from the [??] House Bill 706, an act to provide that the disposal of onsite demolition debris from the [??] manufacture [??] including electric generating stations exempt from the landfill permitting requirements; [SPEAKER CHANGES] Chaptered bills will be noted. [pause] Ladies and gentlemen, the House, by motion of Representatives Horn, from Union County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to elementary school students, teachers and chaperones from Antioch Elementary in Matthews. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] Reports of standing committees and permanent subcommittees? Representative Blust is recognized to send forth committee report; the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust for the Judiciary Subcommittee A, House Bill 698, background checks for firefighters, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar? [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 870, Record closed sessions of public bodies, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 984, Budget Authority Amendments, favorable, and serially referred to Appropriations. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The bill will be re-referred to the Committee on Appropriations. Representatives Hollo and Jones are recognized to send forth Committee reports; the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Hollo and Jones for the Health and Human Services Committee, House Bill 204, update, modernize [??] practice act, favorable. Committee Substitute unfavorable on [??] bill and serially referred to Judiciary Subcommittee B. [SPEAKER CHANGES] C [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute will be re-referred to Judiciary Subcommittee C, original bill unfavorable. Calendar. Representatives Howard, Brawley, Lewis, and Setzer are recognized to send forth committee report. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representatives Howard, Brawley, Lewis, and Setzer for the Finance Committee, House Bill 442; Municipal incorporation changes, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 526, [??] Chapman voluntary annexation, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 545, Modifying Henderson County occupancy tax, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 552, remove the area from county service district, favorable. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 656 --[end of data...]

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Come to order. Chair also recognizes a group from Cleveland county chamber of commerce volunteers and markers and I suspect that there may be others so the chair would first like to get the members' attention. Chair would like to extend the courtesies of the gallery to representative from Cleveland County, chamber of commerce and any one in economical development in chamber from across the state, please stand as we welcome you. Counter house bill 779, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for house bill 779 has been entitled as an act to direct the legislative research commission to save the issue and responsibility for maintenance of infrastructure for closer or abandoned properties. General assembly of North Carolina in act. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Torbett, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. If I might take this moment for the members of the house. Let me tell you just a brief reason why this is before you today. In 2 and a half years ?? in my ?? there was a small development about 30 units were senior citizens, just a few years older than me decided to locate for what they believed to be their last resort. So they bought into this subdivision and numerous of these homes were built on the back side of the subdivision that their backyard was literally 20 feet to an excavated wall of dirt that would go probably bad as time from the floor ?? and in some areas it tapered the further development you want but at times at time point it was a wall of dirt straight up that has been excavated about 20 feet from the backdoor of these homes of these seniors. They were promised that retaining ?? that would compensate and pretty much screen that block of dirt. 2008 comes, the county starts tanking. The original developer disappears. We have looked these ??. So we checked every visible mains and recourse for these folks in this substitute division and there is one visible mains of recourse. They could sue their HOA which is themselves. We pretty much talked to deaner, we have talked to city, we have talked to County, we have talked to Attorney general and no one is laying claims or responsibilities other than they put their responsibilities on the developer that pretty much left the project and ran. So with the work of some good folks, I have drafted a bill that will allow, mandate developers to put a cash ?? down on assets on their development that cross common lines like streets, ground coverings, swimming pools. This included retaining walls. So any thing that's pretty much incorporated multiple areas of this development, not just a single family unit but multiple, common acts or common courts of the community. I say we need to ?? for that and even if worse thing ever happens, god forbid, and some other developer somewhere in North Carolina decides to leave their development and ?? that the initial development and the people that bought into the development believing that this would happen, now would actually happen. They wouldn't be left time ??. Needless to say, I met with a lot of ?? and I don't shame those people for battling me over because although they weren't a social element now that we are off to times not to punish everyone for the sins of a very few, I couldn't get the...

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...continue to do it and hopefully that will be better convenient to you. House Bill 784, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Committee Substitute for House Bill 784, a bill to be entitled An Act To Provide that the Remedies and Penalties for Worthless Checks Also Apply When a Check That Has Been Paid In Full Is Presented Again For Payment and to Provide That Checks Refused to be Honored by Bank May Be Submitted As Evidence If They Are Stamped or Marked With One of a Number of Different Listed Terms. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Stone, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentleman of the House, this bill actually was brought to our attention by one of my constituents back home. In today's modern world, you can actually take your cellphone, take an image of your check, and have it deposited. The problem was they would then take the check and go cash it again. So what this bill does is in Sections 1, 2 and 4, it closes that loophole and allows the merchant or the check holder to actually use criminal or civil remedies to collect the funds. Now the other problem we have is that some merchants only recognize certain codes on the back of a check. So what we did while we had this bill in front of us is we had included all the codes to make it simpler for a merchant to collect their funds or to press charges against them to get their money. So that's about it. And the bill, it did pass banking unanimous and we need your support. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 784 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. One hundred and eighteen having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 784 has passed its second reading and without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGE] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 784 on its third reading. All in favor say aye, all opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 784 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, the Chair would like to welcome another group of elementary school students into the gallery. The Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to students, teachers and chaperones from South Fork Elementary in Winston-Salem. Please wave to us and welcome. [applause] Ladies and gentlemen of the House, upon motion, members of all the House, and especially from the Chair, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to members of the Carolinas Golf Course Superintendents. Carolinas Golf Association, Club Managers Association, Pinehurst SVB, North Carolina Golf Course Owners Association, Carolinas PGA and the Carolinas Golf Course Architects Association. North Carolina's golf economy, according to Standford Research, is a $4.2 billion economic impact annually. Fifty-three thousand jobs and a $1.3 billion payroll. Golf contributed $146 million to charitable interests in 2011 and we all know that North Carolina is home to some 800 golf courses, some of the best in the country. And for that matter, the world. We appreciate all the work that you all did. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] And please not forget Pinehurst is going to be host to the 2014 Men's and Women's U.S. Open. That's an historic first. And congratulations to all the folks who worked hard to make that happen and put North Carolina once again on the map. House Resolution 578, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGE] House Resolution 578, a House...

Solution honoring the founders of the town of Steadman while observing the town's 100th anniversary. The house resolves. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will read the bill in its entirety. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Whereas the town of Steadman, located in Cumberland County, was named for Charles M. Steadman, a member of the United States House of Representatives, lieutenant Governor of North Carolina, and president of the North Carolina railroad. Whereas the town was incorporated by the General Assembly on February 20, 1913. Whereas the town's first officers were Mayor John B. Bryant, commissioners A.C. Bullard, J.E Fussle, J.H. Bryant, O.L. McFadden, and A.G. Strickland, and clerk and treasurer M. A. Kitty. And whereas the town has approximately 1,040 citizens. And whereas the town continues to prosper through the continued dedication, insight, and planning of its concerned leaders and citizens. Whereas the 100th anniversary of the town of Steadman is worthy of celebration, and should be enjoyed and supported by all North Carolinians. Now therefore, be it resolved by the House of Representatives, section 1, the House of Representatives wishes to honor the founders of the town of Steadmond, and extends its sincere congratulations and best wishes to the town of Steadman, upon the town's centennial anniversary. Section 2, the principal clerk shall transmit the certified copy of this resolution to the mayor of the town of Steadman. Section 3, this resolution is effective upon adoption. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Szoka is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I'd like to offer just a few. Thank you. I'd like to offer just a few brief comments about the town today. You can always tell how healthy a small town is by the way people treat its citizens and its visitors, and I'm proud to tell you Steadman is one healthy town. The folks there friendly, proud of its past, and confident of its future. Steadman has supplied more than its fair share of dedicated public servants, from its current mayor, the county commissioners, members of boards and commissions, and even a U.S. congressman, Nathan Steadman, who the town was named for. Steadman is a town built by people of strong character, and today, continues as a town maintained by faith, generosity, and patriotism. I comment the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lucas, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to say that the town of Steadman is in my home county Cumberland. I've known of the prowess of the town of Steadman all my life. Steadman had a rich heritage and tradition. Back when they had their own high school, they were known as the Steadman Rams, and they'd whip just about anybody. They won several conference championships, and they even won a few state championships, under the late coaches Dorris Howard and Leon Brock. They soon consolidated into Cape Fear High School, and I had the pleasure of teaching first year consolidation at Cape Fear High School. Cape Fear High School has had its share of favorite sons, including a gentleman by the name of David Lewis. Might make note of that. Steadman continues to thrive and I have the occasion to ride through there quite frequently on highway 24, and they're now ready to expand that highway, and continue to grow, and they know even have their own Wal Mart, so we know that they're making progress. Steadman continues to be proud of its tradition and we continue to wish Steadman well. I commend the resolution to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the house is the adoption of House resolution 578. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 119 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. House resolution 578 has been.

...adopted. It will be ordered printed. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, upon motion of Representative Szoka, from Cumberland County, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the Stedman delegation seated in the gallery. Mayor Billy D. Horn and Faye Horn and town clerk, Jennifer Wilson Kirsch. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] House Resolution 720, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Resolution 720, House Resolution honoring those who established the Davidson County Industrial Education Center and Davidson County Community College. The House resolves. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To explain the resolution, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the resolution. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the House, this is just a House Resolution honoring Davidson County Community College on its 50th anniversary. Unfortunately, none of the folks from the college could be here today, but we are having our graduation Saturday and I just want to congratulate Davidson County Community College and ask for your support on this House Resolution. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the adoption of House Resolution 720. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. Even members with pencils in their mouth. Oh, I'm so sorry. Mr. Hastings, does the gentleman wish to record? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sorry, Mr. Speaker. I would. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Press the green there. [laughter] Press the green, there you go. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] My wife was calling, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] One hundred and nineteen having voted in the affirmative, and none in the negative. House Resolution 720 has been adopted and will be ordered printed. And the Chair does apologize for Representative Hagar. House Bill 671, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 671, a bill to be entitled An Act Removing Certain Described Property From the Corporate Limits of the Town of Mills River. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is third reading on a bill that passed 119 to 0, it's a voluntary deannexation requested by the town. Hope everybody will support it again. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 671 on its third reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record please do so now. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. One hundred and fifteen having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 671 has passed its third reading, will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 537, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 537, a bill to be entitled An Act to Provide For Four Year Terms Rather Than Six Year Terms for the Members of the Edenton-Chowan Board of Education and Change the Election Schedule for One District C. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Steinburg, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. This is, ladies and gentlemen, a local bill and changing the terms limits of the school board members in the Edenton-Chowan School District from six years to four years. We have 115 LEA's in the State and there are only 4 that have terms that exceed 4 years. Edonton-Chowan being one. So in the interest of conforming with the rest of the State, that's where we're going with this. It was presented in Education last week, I believe it was, or maybe it was earlier this week. One day runs into another.

...but in any event it passed unanimously in education and I ask for your support. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not,the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 537,on its second reading, all in favor, say aye. All opposed, say no. The ayes have it, House Bill 537 is passed the second reading and without objection, will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Chairman ? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 537 on its third reading, all in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it, House Bill 537 is passed its third reading, and will be sent to the Senate. Representative Farmer-Butterfield, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES]It's to indicate my vote on House Bill 6721, I want to vote aye.[SPEAKER CHANGES]Belated, be it recorded as voted aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Mr. Speaker.[SPEAKER CHANGES]Ladies and gentlemen of the House, we are about to move down onto the calendar for House Bill 9. This is the bill that would result in a constitutional amendment going on the ballot that requires three fifths of a vote in order to pass. House Bill 9, the Clerk will read.[SPEAKER CHANGES]House Bill 9, a bill to be entitled "An Act Amending the North Carolina Constitution to limit the terms of the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate to two General Assemblies. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts.[SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Stam, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES]To speak on the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES]Mr. Speaker, members of the House, this bill passed the House last session by a good healthy margin, and it's identical I believe, except for the change in dates, to the one that passed then. It does as it says, it sets a term limit on the Speaker and the Pro Tempore-our Speaker has already announced he's not going to go beyond this anyway, and it's a salutary provision that people at the very top of leadership should not stay there forever, because things freeze, and I encourage you to vote for the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 9 on its second reading, all in favor vote aye. All opposed, vote no.The Clerk will open the vote. Clerk ? machine record the vote, 84 having voted the affirmative, 35 in the negative, we have achieved three fifths, and it is the roll call bill, but we can't take third reading today, so without objection, House Bill 9 will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES]General Assembly of North Carolina enacted.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 9 on its third reading, all in favor will vote aye, all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote.The Clerk ballot machine record the votes, 84 having voted the affirmative, 35 in the negative, House Bill 9 is passed its third reading, and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 817 the Clerk will read.[SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 817, a bill that's been entitled "An Act to strengthen the economy through strategic transportation investments, the General Assembly of North Carolina enacts.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Bill Brawley, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES]To explain the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Gentleman is recognized to debate the Bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I would like indulgence to have staff join me on the floor to answer questions.[SPEAKER CHANGES]The staff are available to any member needing them.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank-you Mr. Speaker. This bill has been through Transportation, through Finance, and through Appropriations, so most everyone here has heard it at least once. It's based on the idea that our population is increasing, the amount of money that we are able to raise for transportation is decreasing, and we need to be very strategic and very efficient in how we spend the remaining money that we have on the projects. We are changing the way we allocate money into three parts. After the amendment yesterday in Appropriations,we are doing 40% for statewide projects, 30% for regional projects, and 30% for divisional projects. This should allow us to increase the number of projects that we are doing from a current 10-year forecast of 174, excuse me, 175, to 260...

Also allow us through the increased enhancement that economic activity to increase the number of jobs from 174 thousand to 240 thousand. I would like at this time to ask that the speaker recognize representative McGrady to sent forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady moves to amend the bill on page 7 line 25 by adding after the period and before the following. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those of you who were in the appropriations committee yesterday may remember I had an amendment that I offered, the idea being to provide and ensure some transparency in the grading that we are doing and scoring of the various transportation projects. General ?? came forward and explained sort of what the department does and I frankly think what is in this amendment is consistent with what the department is planning to do. The gentleman, representative Brawley asked me at that time to pull the amendment and work on the language and he and I last night agreed on what was two sentences. When we brought our two sentences to the legislative staff it got longer but I think it accomplishes and ?? in much more clarity then I was supposing what needs to happen here. I believe it's a friendly amendment and at least it's intended that way, I'll vote for the bill whether it passes or not but I think since we are moving to a data driven system, it's really important that we ?? to see what the data is and we have to evaluate and this will make that transparent I hope. I appreciate the work representative Brawley has done with me on this. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or debate on the amendment. If none, the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by representative McGrady for the house committee substitute number 3 of house bill 817.All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 118 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The amendment passes. We are now back on the bill. Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To offer an amendment, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux moves to amend the bill on page 4 lines 9 and 10 page 5 lines 13 and 14 by adding the following. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the house, there have been some items that have been on the TIP for many number of years now and have not really received any basic consideration. What this amendment does is simply try to put them in line to get a little bit of consideration. Looking at the amendment it provides that on TIP..actually the projects that are on the TIP dated on or after 1989, they would be assigned at least 25 points on the 100 point series and also does affect that languages of ?? as amended would appear ?? projects over the last 25 years that have not yet been billed would get an enhanced reading of at least 25 points resulting in them moving up in a new priority position. These would affect a lot of small counties and some metropolnariers where the programmes have just ?? and if you are going to move to a new system, with these programmes having sat there they ought to have some leg up at least to try to get into this new programme. I ask you to support the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brawley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I'd ask that the body not support the amendment, part of the reason for going to a new plan is that the old plan has got a little old and if...

bad projects that still have not been built. There may be a reason, but they will be rated fairly, and if there in small counties, they'll still be rated fairly, and be able to compete. And also, I would remind the body that the change made in the appropriations yesterday, shifted more money from the regional to the district, or the what I would call the most local of local levels. And in fact, increased the money that's 50-50, data driven, and local input driven, increased that amount by 50%. So, I think we have addressed the issue that this amendment was concerned with alleviating, would ask the body to defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion on the amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Jordan, please state your purpose. Thank you Mr. Speaker, I have an inquiry for either the amendment sponsor, or possible the bill sponsor about this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES]We'll begin with Representative Michaux, does the gentleman yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Michaux, in my district of Ashe, Watauga, we have a project that has been going on for a number of years, the four laning of 221. do you know if your amendment affects that project? [SPEAKER CHANGES]I would hope that it would, if you've been on that since 1989, and nothing has been done, and it's just sitting there. What this does is, it gives you at least 25 points on that 100 point scale. You can bring it up and try to get it moved up there. I know it's a new program, and I know we've been operating under the old program, but here again, those places that have been disadvantaged by not moving at all, they ought to have, and have been seriously trying to get these projects done. They've ought to be given a little bit of a leg to move up. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Representative Michaux. Mr. Speaker of the House, can I also direct my inquiry to Mr. Brawley? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Brawley, does you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES]I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Same question? [SPEAKER CHANGES]Yes sir, the same question. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you Representative. I think there's 2 things that might come to mind that would have direct impact. One, many of the projects that have been on the PIP for that long, have sever environmental problems, and that would still be in effect regardless of the additional points. In those cases that are worthy, and have not been funded because of political considerations, if we could say the transition to a data driven evaluation would tend to bring those projects up, if they're good projects. Having driven 221 in the Ashe County on more than one occasion, I certainly sympathize with the need of that road to be fixed, and have often wondered why, and it may be that there wasn't an objective scale, which you could put your hands on, that would show you how it was rated. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Ladies and Gentlemen, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to friends and constituents of mine, from Mecklenburg county, Elizabeth Pollo, and her son Zander. Please stand and let us welcome you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Sir, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I hope you do vote against this amendment. All this new program will do is re-evaluate every project, make sure it still has the same priority that it did when it was put on the TIP years ago. Now, let me give you a prime example in Caldwell County. We had a stretch of Highway 321 that was a real bottleneck, because we had a very large furniture factory that was there, and when people would get off of work, there was a rush, and they couldn't get out. 20 years ago it got put on the TIP plan to improve the road, to widen it to 4 lanes. This year they're spending millions of dollars to widen that road to fix the bottleneck. The problem is, the factor closed down 5 years ago, and there's no more traffic on the road. That project should have been re-evaluated before it was ever started. And that's an example of where we're wasting money on old projects. Had there been a system in place where we could have re-evaluated these things, we could have made better use of our money and our limited resources. So lets defeat this amendment, and let every project be re-evaluated and judged on its own merit. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of of the amendment to the House Committee substitute Number 3 to House Bill 817 sent forth by Representative Michaux All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no, the clerk will open the vote.

The clerk will lot machine record the vote. Forty-three having voted in the affirmative, seventy-four in the negative. The amendment fails. Now we're back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate. If not, Representative Wilkins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill myself. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Those of you who were in-appropriations yesterday, my gosh, who else said that? I've forgotten what day it is. In-appropriations. you heard me voice concerns about the tension I see in this program. The tension between urban ares and rural areas and I really do think it exists. I ran an amendment to try to ease that a bit, that would have brought some money into play for the RPOs. Appropriations members saw fit to reject that amendment. Another amendment that made it through appropriations however changed one of the basic tenets of this entire program. We went into that room with a forty, forty, twenty split, with twenty percent going at the division level. From the outset, I thought that was really the thing that devastated rural areas. As I worked through with Representative Brawley and Representative Torbett in particular, Representative Torbett offered an amendment to change that forty, forty, twenty to forty, thirty, thirty. I think it makes the whole program more pallet-able and even though I still have reservations and I probably will have the rest of my days about this urban, rural thing, I will support the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose the gentleman from Dare, Representative Tine, rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. First, I'd like to thank the bill sponsors for all the time that they have spent with me over the last week or so. It has been significant amount of time because I've had significant concerns about this bill. And unfortunately I still do have some, but I've been promised that we're going to continue discussions as we move through this, through the department of transportation in developing the final formula which we all will then have a chance to look at first through the transportation oversight and then of course as we look into the session next year. But there is a couple of things that, that I think that I need to point out as we move into that process. As this is not a democrat, republican bill. This is in my eyes, this is a rural, urban bill. And we are making some decisions for the future of North Carolina in regards to how we're going to treat these two different areas and I hope that we're very cognizant of it. Because the final formula is not developed yet and I hope we will keep a very watchful eye on that formula to make sure that we're balancing two policy, two policy decisions. One in our rural areas, that we're creating access to those urban areas that need to relief due to congestion. They need speed to be able to move their goods and to really capitalize on existing economic assets. But the rural community has an entirely different approach for why we need transportation. And that is unlocking untapped assets that exist in the area and that policy needs to be balanced as we develop this formula inside the department of transportation. The one thing that I do know, and I need to make sure that I bring this up because it is part of my district and it's the people that I represent, is that we're going to be losing two hundred and sixty-six million dollars in our regional division budget between how things are right now and the proposed budget, and that comes from fiscal staff. That's a tremendous amount of money. Everyone loses some in that comparison. But the two hundred and sixty-six is the biggest loss. The idea is that you be able to make up in that other forty percent state bucket. You know, the money that you lose.

you'd be able to compete in that area. So again I'd ask that all of us in rural areas keep a very watchful eye on how the Department of Transportation develops the formula in regards to how rural communities might be able to compete in that state bucket. Unfortunately right now there are too many questions for me and my district to vote yes for this bill. I will be voting against it but I appreciate this bill sponsors' work with me and the continued work and I hope to see more results on the formula as we move forth. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Gaston Representative Bumgardner rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I have reservations about this bill because this bill to me is a variation on the theme of we have to pass this to find out what's in it. We don't know what the criteria is gonna be yet and we just passed an amendment to say we'll put it online as soon as we can get it but there's nothing definite about when that'll be. I we've hashed out a lot of stuff in several committees and I'd like to see something much more definitive about this one way or the other. Apparently this is as good as it's gonna get for right now and somebody else is gonna have to help do something about this if they can. I don't know but I've done all I can do. So now I have to decide whether to vote for the Governor's bill or not vote for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Iredell Representative Brawley rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen I have informed the sponsor of the bill and the governor that I am opposed to this bill as long as it has toll roads and the emphasis on toll roads in it. And for that reason I will be voting against the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the gentleman from Vance Representative Baskerville rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I echo the sentiment of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle. I do have some very grave concerns about the formula and how that impacts rural communities. I would like thank Representative Brawley for reaching out to me and talking with me about an amendment that I plan on offering I plan on offering that tomorrow. What I would like all of my colleagues from both sides of the aisle is to figure out which highway division you are in. To figure out if within your highway division there is also an NPO and other rural small communities and I would just ask that you figure that out by tomorrow and so when I offer the details of my amendment you can understand how that's gonna impact your community and you can vote accordingly. I can appreciate the fact that we are moving towards a data driven process, taking it out of being manipulated by the political whims tied to individual projects that might come and go depending on what the representation is here in the body. I think that's a good idea. But we do need to know what impact what the data driven impact is on our communities and I would like to object to a third reading. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville this is a role call bill and there will ??? does the lady from Hertford Representative Mobley rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I am rural rural eastern North Carolina and have you know that despite the attempts for amendments to come, I'm still not sure how that would affect my area. I just know that we get less of whatever anybody else gets which makes it a concern of mine and I have some problems with this because I don't understand fully how it's going to affect my area other than to say we're gonna get less. I had planned to object to a third reading to ask some questions but thank you Mr. Speaker for letting us know it will be heard on tomorrow but I plan to oppose the bill. Thank you.

enters the shares of these extended currencies of the right to emigrate from Antioch elementary school from NT is that I'm happy. I think, that the sale of some of the police if a ?? that testimony to the distant one purpose as that of a time-highest scenario does recognize the data in a trade as we did not work items that are one hand, all action beyond European operations and finance committee is dale hatcher for falling off questions on and as always. -1 and only agenda is doing instead riled that the sex offender is not the final answer on the side of the place, and they all to say that the department of animal acts of us read and cons of the five serious for most of the autistic, Stephens outside riders and a generous first this year they have more back from Europe and the station owners what's so their contact us know his answers and-start to show she has mild mental state levels and I-and all of the figure so and by the Schoenholtz the region of these calls about what our six daytime hours over two years and nine-years which are stable of last winter, the results of the forms provided 70 eight, of times a night crawler-earner is ever-operations and infrastructure tile this isn't outside the disastrous the day before another questions: when what the life and they are ?? that is beyond my expectations and other so-to support his staff writer mark all had won and cashed out that window and the style of six and was always one of the page and all but one last Friday in the time it another way, sadly, it was not have said, this was the reason for one, says the 2-21% progress time that the owners to share-ever has made the wizards of the-beltway hall on whether some time and others have the data show a more serious some reservations about the shutdown: than that, and sometimes launch over the last may after two weeks of life at the heart of the issue of the national shock wave from the ship ½ as much an issue of concessions to rehire some Irish of a dollar of the anti-fascist and the mail some sort of function of the cumbersome and the others, as a whole other projects that we I'm on a former chief of the shares may actually have a better time to have an abortion issue of esquire and then that might have on the other times-a-center of a short-dated, foliage and the national opposition for time there are plenty others that would that the devils if it weren't for Jones some context of all time, the lake was used for example , and the hills for the gentle: in one way of life forms phone Japan, 7¢ when the west must RE-and there are pockets were chapels when the call for a time north Carolinians for the data files was fortunate Davis in certain sections were stagnant, here and lie detector that I'm sending you a one billion dollars in your ??.....

One billion dollars a year, which is a significant percentage of the statewide tourism intake. To continue that and to continue to foster that and develop that, we are going to need projects that we just aren’t quite going to be able to afford on our own. So I believe that we have to remain on a project-by-project basis. We have to be open to tolls as well. Tolls are not a bad thing. Private public partnerships are not a bad thing. In an era of dwindling resources and fewer options to recoup the revenue losses that we have experienced in the Department of Transportation, through the Department of Transportation and others, we have to look at other options. We have to be open. I believe that this plan does that. Now it took a sell job on me to do this, believe me. I was resistant and had more people in my office and me in their office in the last month than one can imagine. But in the final analysis, in looking at all of these people, I had to say to myself, are all of these people that you’re talking to in these very lofty positions, are each and every one of these individuals lying? Are they all saying something that is not true? Are they going to, after this thing is done, are they going to just say sorry guys and gals, this isn’t really what’s going to happen. I don’t believe that. Just like many times in committee and on this House floor, we have to trust in our fellow legislators on things that we might perhaps not be so well informed about. Trust. Trust. When I was speaking with these individuals, I got the impression that they were being sincere and this was either the greatest hoax in the history of the legislature or it’s a brilliant plan. And I believe that this plan is going to do more for us, all of us, even in the rural areas, than ever would have been done under the formulas. So today, I have made the decision that I am going to not only support this bill but I am going to enthusiastically support this bill. And I encourage you folks to please consider doing so also. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the lady from Forsythe, Representative Terry rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Member is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much. I rise to speak about this bill from a perspective that has been spoken about by all of the other persons who preceded me. However, the challenge in my view, is that we look at this bill in terms of the future. A visionary of concept that puts transportation in a regional perspective. I am from region, I am from District 9, whatever the, that’s my district. We have some wonderful transportation projects that are on board. It’s urban. And I listen to those persons who are from the rural areas, feeling very much put upon that theirs are not going to be properly considered. But I must say to you that transportation and logistics and commerce and jobs really don’t have the, you’ve got to look at the metrics and you’ve also got to look at this thing from a regional perspective. And I think that the emerging things that are happening in society require that we do take a different approach. And therefore, I do not see urban, I do not see rural because I see the urban enhancing the rural through innovation technology and what transportation planners, engineers, and people who understand this stuff can do to help us connect these things. We can, we, I’ve learned for example about the opportunities that are available because of what’s going to be happening in the future with regards to the waterways and how big ships can come in and help us move stuff and how trucks can come in and help get those moved even further. Jobs will be available for urban and rural if we can come out of the box, look at metrics, and examine things from a perspective that is objective

...not we, not our, not you roar. I support this. The Speaker Pro Tempore: For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Dollar, rise? Rep. Dollar: To debate the amendment. The Speaker Pro Tempore: The bill. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Rep. Dollar: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House. This is historic legislation. Years ago the state adopted a farm-to-market road plan, and we began, at that time, to develop one of the largest -- at that time the largest -- network of state-maintained roads in the country. And that has served North Carolina extremely well over the years. But it's had to change over the years, as well; we've had a number of programs. Of course, the interstate program came in. I remember, a number of years ago, with Governor Martin's program that he did with the legislature, the Highway Trust Fund, which was very innovative. A goal of that was to bring 90% of the state's population within ten miles of a four-lane road. It was a very successful program. There have been a number of other innovations in the intervening years to try to maximize our financing. Obviously, most recently, the Mobility Fund a few years ago, which is, this very day, finishing up one of the most critical projects in the state, which was the Yadkin River bridge fix. Folks, this bill, the governors bill, breaks down the silos. It is, once again, North Carolina leading in the realm of transportation. It's going to help our economy all across the state. It's going to mean, particularly for a number of rural areas, that you're going to be able to do longer, bigger, more ambitious projects at one time, instead of having to piecemeal, decade after decade, to finally get something that really works, an artery that actually works. I think the Governor should be commended for his leadership. I think the sponsors of the bill should be commended for all of the hard work they've put into this bill. It is truly a strategic transportation bill, and I truly believe that this will once again make North Carolina the Good Road State, and I commend the bill to you. The Speaker Pro Tempore: For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Alexander, rise? Rep. Alexxander: To speak on the bill. The Speaker Pro Tempore: The Member has the floor to debate the bill. Rep. Alexander: Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Curtis Scott is not in the Governor's Mansion. Governor McCrory is in the Governor's Mansion, and he has brought to us a vision of changing some transportation priorities. Let me also remind you that North Carolina has changed. Between 55 and 60% of our state's population happens to be concentrated in 15 counties. Let me say that again. Between 55 and 60% of our state's population happens to be in 15 counties. Whether you like it or not, those counties are the nexis of congestion. Let me tell you about my district. Two of the state's most highly traveled and congested highways happen to go through it. One of them, I-77, is the subject of congestion so bad, twice a day, that you could actually walk faster than the traffic is moving through my district. And if you don't believe it, I invite you to come and try it. A number of you, when you travel from Raleigh back to your homes, go through my district. You travel along I-85, and like I-77, at least twice a day there are parts of I-85 that a horse and buggy can move faster along, than the traffic -- a horse and buggy walking. That's congestion, ladies and gentlemen. And because we have all been elected to come up here and not look at the past...

[Speaker changes.]...but to look toward the future while trying to figure out how to solve things collectively in the present, I submit to you that this bill, though it is not the best thing since sliced bread, this bill is a step in the right direction because it seems to be that it's kind of strange that if we had a formula that tilted the playing field toward those parts of North Carolina where the minority of our population is livin'...and that's pretty much the formula that we've experienced up to this point...that, at the point that we start talkin' about changing the formula and looking forward, everybody...well, not everybody, but a number of folks start getting little nervous. Ya'know, I went to a number of committees, Mister Speaker and ladies and gentlemen today, and one of the themes that I heard as I went from committee to committee was some kind of tussle between rural and urban and I wanna repeat something that I said in one of those committees. Whether you live in Bear County or in Mecklinburg County, you are citizen of North Carolina, and if you travel on the state's roads, you deserve to be able to travel effectively, whether you are traveling around Asheville or whether you are travellin' around Wake County, and the way to be able to do that in the twenty-first, not the twentieth and definitely not the nineteenth but in the twenty-first century, is to change the formula, face firmly toward the future, and embrace it. I commend this bill to ya' and I plan to vote for it. [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Iredale, Representative Brawley, rise? [Speaker changes.] Thank you, Mister Speaker. Could I ask Representative Jeter a question? [Speaker changes.] Does the gentleman from Mecklenburg yield to the gentleman from Iredale? [Speaker changes.] I yield. [Speaker changes.] He yields to the question. [Speaker changes.] Representative Jeter, does...do toll roads effect the cost of trucking? [Speaker changes.] Anything that adds to the cost of transiting our road system, adds to the cost of trucking. [Speaker changes.] Thank you. Speak on the bill? [Speaker changes.] Member's recognized to debate the bill a second time. [Speaker changes.] This is stated. My objection to this bill is the toll roads. The bill itself...I agree with the formula, I think the Governor and his people have done an excellent job but toll roads will increase the cost...they won't just be paid by the people from out of state. I've already had one of our major employers in North Carolina talk to me about the concerns they have if we go statewide with toll roads. It will increase the cost of trucking. It will increase the cost of travel for everybody and, well, you know my opposition to toll roads. [Speaker changes.] Mister Speaker? [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam rise? [Speaker changes.] To see if Representative Jeter would yield to a question. [Speaker changes.] Does the gentleman from Mecklenburg yield to his seat mate? [Speaker changes.]I'm so happy to be this popular and I proudly yield! [Speaker changes.] He yields. [Speaker changes.] Representative Jeter, what advantages for trucking do toll roads entail? [Speaker changes.] The advantages of toll roads for trucking, especially when you're dealing with manage lane concepts, is that it allows for trucks to get to a point A/point B quicker, without the congestion. The worst thing for trucks is to sit still and idle. It's worse for our economy, it's worse for our environment...I mean it is the worse thing that we can do. So tolls in and of themselves are not bad. Does it increase the direct cost? Probably but it does decrease the time travel, it does decrease a lot of things that are beneficial to trucking. To say that tolls are inherently bad for trucking, I don't think is a fair assessment, in my opinion. [Speaker changes.] For what purpose does the gentleman from Nash, Representative Collins rise? [Speaker changes.] ????? to debate the bill. [Speaker changes.] Member is recognized to debate the bill. [Speaker changes.] Folks, I live on the other end of the Northeast Outback, that Representative Tine was speaking about. He lives on the far eastern end of it, I live on the far western end of it. A couple of weeks ago, frankly, I really had been prepared to oppose this bill...by a lot of people who were talking to me about it from my area...but I was able to, in Finance, ask a number of questions that caused me to begin to change my opinion of the bill. For one thing, I'm glad to see that this bill is finally, hopefully gonna take, as much as we can, the politics out of road projects. I feel like, frankly, my area has b..... [Speaker changes.]

Hurt in some cases by getting road projects that we did not need, that were very popular with certain folks who had pull with the Department of Transportation locally, but which probably hurt us because they stopped area wide projects that would have been much economically beneficial to us. I asked a specific question in finance the other day, about what I think would be the best thing that could happen to the eastern half of North Carolina, even though the closest part of this would be an hour from me. That is something I've heard Secretary Trockfur speak about a number of times and a number of you have. If we can get a very short rail spur built to the GTP and improve highway 70 from Kentston to Moorehead City, we could greatly improve and increase the business at our deep water port, which I think is the first or second deepest port on the east coast, and would turn the GTP from a tax payer sinkhole, to an economic driver for all of eastern North Carolina that would certainly help Rocky Mountain, even though we're 50 miles from Kentston. I asked what kind of project would that be considered, and they said that would be a statewide project and would hit the highest category, the 40%, despite the fact that its going through some pretty sparsely populated areas in some cases. I would love to see projects like that built, but as long as we're going area by area, almost town by town, city by city, I want my little project, you want yours, we'll never see things like that happen. I am much more in favor of projects being done like this, on a logical basis where they actually help our economy. And as far as tolls are concerted, let me just say this. I don't think, and somebody can correct me if I'm mistaken, don't think this bill specifically says anything about automatically tolling roads or whatever. It does give us a little bit of help in that for a toll to be approved, if I read this thing correctly, on an existing highway, the ?? and the ?? have to approve it, which at least means some local government officials will have an input. But I've got a bill, House bill 267 that will fix this problem and I've vetted it through DOT and they're not opposed to it. So if you want to know how we're going to fix that, come to transportation tomorrow or else just vote for the bill when it hits the floor next week, and let's support this bill as well. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] What purpose does the gentleman from Gaston, Representative Turpet rise? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The members recognize to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the House, I was not going to say anything, but I decided I would, which is probably the worst thing I ever decided. There is a tremendous lot of things in this bill that I don't like. I don't like it at all. Zero, zilch. I just don't like. However, and I wish Representative Porm was here, I think one of his people that he follows, he mentions off in quotes is Churchill, is that this is the worst, something and I'll paraphrase, this is the worst plan there is, except for all the rest of them. The one that we have now isn't working. It isn't working. Revenues are on a steady decline. If we don't want roads repaired, you don't want roads built, you don't want access to more economic opportunities or job development, then keep the plan we're on, if you don't want all that. If you don't want growth, if you don't want the additional impact it has, positive impact it has to your cities and counties and towns and the like, keep the plan we're on, because it's failing. It's absolutely failing, and it will continue to fail until we have enough hootzbah to change it. This is what the Governor has presented. This is what the Department of Transportation has advised the Governor to present, and I'll close again with I'm still unsatisfied with this plan, so let me encourage you with this. It's the one we have, let's move it and I'll even charge you with this if I may. During the interim, oversight committees will be working. They'll be input, they'll be recording back from the department. Be apart of it. Stay involved. Offer suggestions. We have to find a way to enhance and replace the revenue that we're losing. We want to continue building roads, and I for one, and I'm sure everyone in here, our ears are wide open, if you have positive input, positive comment ideas, suggestions, please feel free to bring them forward and all of them will be on the table. All of them will be looked at and focused on, and see if together we can work as a team to help get the transportation needs of North Carolina's citizens back to the forefront, and I'll close with that. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Bumgardner, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would like to say a couple of things in closing here. One, I totally agree with what Representative Steinburg said, and I believe him when he said that the DOT told him they had a better chance.

?? getting their project built with this bill, because I spent the last weekend looking at it and as far as I can tell he's exactly right about it. Whoever told him that is right about it. And it's that way on purpose. And to me, a toll road is a way of building something that you can't really afford. It's like having a credit card. You're going to sell some bonds right now for some money to build a road that you really can't afford and then pay for it later by collecting tolls. That's what a toll road is and does. I don't like the fact that we're going down this road of building toll roads all over North Carolina. We're going to turn our state into the New Jersey of the southeast, and I think that's a mistake. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brawley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We've heard a lot of talk about tolls, and this is not a toll road bill. There is some permissive language in here on toll, and there are some possibilities of doing a few, limited number of toll projects to bring money from public-private partnerships to build roads that otherwise will not be built. This is not a choice of, "We're going to take your road away from you and turn it into a toll road," this is, "Is a toll road better than no road?" And as far as the tolling of existing roads, I firmly support Representative Collins' bill--I am a co-sponsor of it. But what this really does is prioritize the spending on roads for the greatest benefit of the state as a whole. The idea that 40% of the money on state projects, it's about connectivity. It's not cities get lots of money, because cities need workers. And there are lots of workers in rural areas with high rates of unemployment that need jobs. People that would a half an hour or forty-five minutes away from an urban center that needs workers if they had a good road, a four-lane road, maybe not an interstate, but certainly better than a two-lane road with occasional stop signs, and get a job. Those same people, if that two-lane road is the only road they have, have an hour and a half commute each way, and it's hard for them to get a job. Counties like Anson and Stanly close to Charlotte, lose population because there's not a good road. Hickory has trouble because they need more good roads. But a good road has to go somewhere. Connectivity is the difference in the evaluation now. That's the way we're going to build more jobs. That's going to benefit everyone represented by all the members of this body present today. I ask for your support on this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the House is the passage of the House committee substitute number 3 to House Bill 817 as amended on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 95 having voted in the affirmative, 23 in the negative, the House committee substitute number 3 to House Bill 817 as amended has passed its second reading and without objection.... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yeah. The Chair stands corrected. It will remain on the calendar. It is a roll call vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Fisher, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to be recorded as having voted aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Adams, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I would like to be recorded aye on House Bill 9. [SPEAKER CHANGES] On House Bill 9. The lady will be recorded as having voted aye. House Bill 101, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 101, a bill to be entitled "An Act to Repeal the Estate Tax." General Assembly of North Carolina, enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Martin, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ??

Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you mister Speaker. Members of the House, we had a great debate on this bill yesterday. There were a few questions raised and I hope you have taken good advantage of the time that you have had to read the handout that I have provided to you, which is from the North Carolina State Grange and the North Carolina Farm Bureau with some additional statistics about how our family farmers really are big business for this state and are a ten billion dollar industry, those who would be impacted by this. Additionally, I had some information from staff that in the past year, and the timing on this, there's nine month gap from when someone dies and is required to report on this tax which is why it is often called a death tax. So these are deceased in 2011, so paid in 2012, but it's a little different than just your standard income tax. A hundred and seventeen estates were impacted but we did not have the information to tell if they were a family business or a family farm, but it is not twenty three families. And just to be perfectly clear, we are not giving these people anything. We are just not taking what is rightfully theirs to this date. And again, we are the only South Eastern state that continues to have an estate tax. We need to be more competitive and I urge you to support this bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Queen, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do appreciate the, Representative Martin getting us some figures here. I will point out that we, we just don't know, evidently, which of the estates were farmers which was, again, my point. I know of, I can't recall of a, a farm that has been liquidated because of this estate tax. To point out again, this is a couple, so you get five point two million each. A couple, which is an estate, ??, a man and a wife, it's their property that is passed on after both have deceased. So it's, it's about one couple per every thousand citizens that die that even come close to this threshold of being taxed. Because you start, we talk about fairness, and this is unfair to tax somebody, they get the first ten point four million of their estate that is being passed on tax free, so when their recipients, their family, start to consider how to deal with the farm, they have ten point four million dollars of assets free and clear right up front. So, I, to say this is a family farm issue is still to be determined, because if it is, it is a very small handful. I mean, literally a handful of people across the state, because there are lots of options that estate planning can do, and if you're in this realm of the wealthiest citizens in the state, whether you're farming or small business or just a personal investor or whatever, you have lots of resources to help you deal with your estate appropriately. So this is just a loss of revenue to the state of North Carolina, the, and again and this last year it was seventy nine million I think? So it varies a little bit, this is a very small number of people. They estimate it might be forty this coming year. A very small number of people but it involved with a very large amount of wealth that just simply needs to pay their taxes like everybody else. What's fair for working people year by year is fair for wealthy people whenever it becomes their turn to pay their taxes. So I encourage you to protect North Carolina's effort to make a adequate and equitable modernization of our revenue streams and not pass this independently, but keep it in the mix, and see if you really want to give away seventy nine million dollars to the richest handful of people in our state each year. So I urge you to vote against this bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.

I hope the gentlemen is not suggesting that he wants more people to die so we can have more people with the state problem here. And I also want to point out something else that most of the times at least around my part of the world, you know, you don’t wear two pants, you know husband and wife dying at the same time. You know it’s one at a time. I want to get to something more important and that’s this. Farmed [??] and state Grange, I think these are pretty much recognized groups in our state. Every other farm group that I have ever been around in my travel all over the state. I mean I would wonder if the nursery people up there in the mountains the Christmas tree farming people up there in the mountains would also be able to pass along to the next generation their family farms. This piece of legislation is one of the best things that we would have done to preserve family farms in the state of North Carolina in Decades. So, I would certainly urge your support and if you have any questions, any lingering questions down the road, I would be sure to send out the invitation. And to every one here next march the first Monday at 7 ‘o clock you can come to Pam’s farmhouse see some real farmers and they would thank you for passing this legislation [Speaker Changes] Representative Goodman please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] To speak on the bill [Speaker Changes] Gentlemen is recognized to speak on the bill [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentleman of the house. I have been thinking about this and I hesitate to get up and speak on a tax issue. But from a different perspective if there are 24 families in North Carolina that are in class II out of 117. But question that keeps cropping up in my mind is that how many would be there here if we didn’t have the state tax. How many wealthy families choose to live in South Carolina, Tennessee places that do not have this state tax because we have it here? If they were they would add to our economy, they would spend money and they would pay taxes while they were allowed and perhaps benefit all of us. I plan to vote for this bill. I think sometimes when you play a zero sum game on things like this Math is not quite what you think it is. [Speaker Changes] Representative Alexander, Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] To make a motion to speak on a motion [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen may state the motion [Speaker Changes] To refer the bill to the committee on appropriations and to speak at the reason why I make that motion. There seems to be some debate on the issue of how many people are covered by the state tax and whether we are talking about 50 million or more. And it seems to me that they are at this point enough short falls in our revenue picture for this bill to take a dip in to appropriations. For them to take a decision or to consider exactly how this may play out in terms of our budgeting considerations Speaker [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker [Speaker Changes] Representative Moffitt Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] Want to make a motion in higher precedence [Speaker Changes] Gentlemen may state his position [Speaker Changes] I move we remove the previous question [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen is one of the primary sponsors. The chair understands that is in order form one of the sponsors of the bill. It is a motion of higher precedence which would render the motions set forth by Rep Alexander invalid if we take this up unless there is an objection to the third reading in which case it can be raised again. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker [Speaker Changes] Rep Luebke. Let the chair finish and I would come to you. At his point, the motion is for the question motion. That is a non debatable motion by rule there will be three minutes after the vote before we take the vote on the bill, this gentlemen have a enquiry of the chair. [Speaker Changes] Yes sir I have an enquiry on the chair [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen may say his enquiry [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker. I do not believe I am asking you to check with the clerk on the motion from Rep Alexander was in fact recognized by you and put on the board. He spoke he was only. It said on the board he was in third reading [Speaker Changes] I actually asked the member

Speaker: To status motion i did not recognize for the motion and would like to go to that process and then get to exactly the same place about 30 seconds if Representative Alexander would prefer that Representative ?? will happy to do that Representative Alexander what is your wish, The gentlemen is not wished to so we are back then.So the questions before the house is the motions made by Representative ?? to move the previous question all members in favor vote aye all oppose vote no the clerk will open the vote,the clerk allot machine will record the vote 74 have voted in the affirmative 43 in the negative .Th emotions passes ladies and gentlemen the house Representative Holly did spoke with she indicated that she was OK ?? absolutely certain that her vote no got recorded and by it all got recorded , Speaker Changes: By moment we got 3 minute allocation to minority later and majority later Representative ?? recognized to period to not exceed three minutes, Speaker Changes: Thank you Mr.Speaker i wont take full three minutes on this at this time in I'm looking at gaining Representative ?? not designate to take my time so I'll do this again ii spoke on this yesterday worried about farms and North Carolina being loses and primary concern of probably 5300 farms in North Carolina we have that have been one that has reported ?? result of not having this change in the tax code so i don't care your ?? what you call that but aging the issue remains as we move towards in reformation of our tax code with taking certain items of the table preferred groups telling rest of the North Carolinian you have the ?? the load so as you take the ?? 53 million dollars to take out of our budget the question is where do you make it up thank you, Speaker Changes: The chair understands that Representative ?? has yield to Representative ?? not to exceed thank you Mr.Speaker and members of the house this is a good bill and let me just address i wanted to say ?? this is a give away first of all this is not a give away these are assets this is property people have acquired after a lifetime of work during which they paid their income taxes on their earning their property taxes on this property all along through this is not giving someone what is it theirs so that is totally false let me address this is ?? 23 families this is one i always ?? statistics of the other side but one reason and is big reason that this bill will repeal the state tax is if makes no economic sense because we all of the money people send structure their pairs they they don't pay the taxes and if it is 23 that 23 people didn't plan and didn't pay an attorney or accountant and army of them to make a family limited partnership to help family farms or closely held business and after jumped away from ?? give away some assets this year started something transfer some of your property into it and all of these make no economic sense they are put in restrictions on capital that ?? better to use if you didn't have this owners tax and that's the reason that you only fix a few is because those few don't plan and we should not have a tax regiment that brings in so little relative to this state but cost people so much even if is more it cost more people that tries to bring this tax and avoid people ?? and that does not make economic sense and if we repel this we can unleash economic activity that does help those people from the bottom i urge you to vote yes, Speaker Changes: The question for the house is that the question for the house is that,

Passage of House bill 101 on its third reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 83 having voted the affirmative, 36 in the negative. House bill 101 has passed its third reading. The bill will be sent to the Senate. House bill 585 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for House bill 585 the bill to be titled an act to provide that all correctional facilities, juvenile facilities and local confinement facilities in this state shall comply with the provisions of the federal prison rape elimination act. General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman’s recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members of the house we had a good vote on this bill yesterday. Representative ?? explained it I think thoroughly. It passed by 117 to 0, we’d urge the bodies continued support. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Richardson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like to change my vote on House bill 101 Mr. Speaker to a no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted no. Further discussion, further debate on House bill 585. If not the question before the House is the passage of the House committee substitute to House bill 585 on its third, as amended on its third reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 116 having voted affirmative, none in the negative the House Committee substitute to House bill 585 as amended has passed its third reading. The bill will be engrossed and sent to the Senate. House bill 60 the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will yield. Representative Howard please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A motion subject to the counter. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady may state her motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’d like to move that House bill 60 be rescheduled for Wednesday May the 15th. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That objection so ordered. House bill 357 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for House bill 357, a bill to be implanted on acting increase citizen oversight and to make other consolidations and improvements to the governments of the state retirement systems and improve transparent by ensuring that all retirement plans administered by the department of the State Treasurer are overseen by a board of trustees. General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moffitt please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Explain the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members this bill and the next bill are both agency bills. They are both very technical in nature. They’re only slightly more entertaining than the general statute technical bills that come through here on occasion. A couple of words that I will be using, one will be TEASERS, it’s an acronym for the teachers and state employee retirement system as well as LGERS which is the local government employee retirement system as I explain this bill. Mr. Speaker. In the unlikely event I get asked a question I’d like staff to be available. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman may have staff available as needed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Section one; clarify the role the supplemental retirement board of trustees. The supplemental retirement system is the system that deals with the 403D, the 401K and the 457 plan. The clarification does not change the existing structure. It simply consolidates the statutory government’s provisions into one location. There is also an extension granted to this board of trustees which exempts them from the state purchase contract law which is currently enjoyed by the managers of the other pension systems. In section two this deals with the governments of the registrar DEETS pension fund. Instead of having that directly overseen by the treasurer and in order to promote transparency is actually going to be, the oversight is going to be sent to the LGERS board of trustees. In section three the governess of the National Guard pension fund will be transferred from the treasurer to the TEASERS board. Section four is regarding the board of participation by the National Guard, they will be granted a seat on the TEASERS board and the firefighters and rescue squad will be granted a seat on the LGERS board. Section five deals will immunity from civil liability for the supplemental retirement system board of trustees. And section six deals with the governess of the legislative.

retire, retirement system. I'd appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Holley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak to the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to- [SPEAKER CHANGES] First I want everybody to know I'm okay and thank you for your concern. But I have a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. Bill, I have a question for the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moffitt, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moffitt, is this bill, when they determine the vendor that they're going to use, is this done through a bidding process? You know we were, we spoke about this earlier today, about in this bill, that they were going to make a selection of someone to do a piece of this and, and to determine the retirement. Will that be done through a bidding process? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is. There will be. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Alright, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee substitute to House Bill 357 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. Representative Warren. You could speak with Representative Hastings about that. Clerk will op machine record the vote. 118 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, House Committee substitute number two to House Bill 357 has passed its second reading and, without objection, will be read a third time . [SPEAKER CHANGES] General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee substitute to House Bill 357 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House Committee substitute for House Bill 357 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 358 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for House Bill 358, a bill to be entitled An Act to Make Technical and Conforming Changes to the Statutes Affecting the State Retirement System. General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moffitt, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To explain the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members, these technical corrections are needed to conform to the IRS code. Section one removes the contribution restrictions on law enforcement officers that currently conflict with the Internal Revenue Code. Section two aims to conform and update the states military service provisions to federal law with respect to granting of service credit for periods of involuntary military service. Section three defines membership service. This section expands the definition of membership service in the state system and the local system to include membership service transferred from a sister North Carolina retirement system. Section four defines retirement. This section aligns the definition of retirement for the state, local and judicial retirement system, and aligns it properly with IRS regulations. Section five clarifies the ORP enrollment may be electronic. Section six is clarification of reimbursement for health coverage. Essentially what this means is that this clarifies the statute governing the retirement system's responsibility to reimburse employers for Health Plan premiums. It does not change current practice. Section seven clarifies the reimbursement to employers for Health Care premiums. Section eight deals with the improper receipt of a decedents disability income plan allowance. Section nine deals with the improper receipt of a decedents disability income plan allowance. And essentially what that does is what is, it's currently referred to in statute that it only applies to retirees. But the treasurer noted that you can be on disability and not be retired, so the same penalties would apply to someone who's inappropriately received that income. Section ten is the eligibility clarification for line of duty death benefits. And section eleven refers to the felony forfeiture statutory reference, and its a correction there, that, to a statute that we passed in last [biennium?] session. I'd appreciate your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee substitute to House Bill 358 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote.

All members wishing to record please do so this time. Representative McGrady. House clerk would lock the machine for vote. 118 having voted in the affirmative none in the negative. House bill 358 house committee substitute has passed the second reading without objection would be read for the third time. [Speaker Changes] [??] North Carolina now [Speaker Changes] Further discussion further debate. If not the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute house bill 358 on its third reading. All in favor say Aye and all oppose say No. The Ayes have it. The house committee substitute house bill 358 passes third reading and would be sent to the senate. Representative Robert Brawley . Please state your prose [Speaker Changes]Point of order [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen may state his point [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker. We in the insurance committee already know that the insurance companies have requested an 80% increase in the insurance premium for January 2014. The house bill the next bill 609 effective date was put off for one year in order to give the local municipality and counties a chance to prepare for the increase in insurance premiums. Therefore I would ask our rules 38B and general statute 120-30-45 so that this bill will not go to finance [Speaker Changes] The house believes [Speaker Changes] Rep Brawley in consultation with the rules chair and Rep Howard, the senior finance chair, the chair does not believe that the rules that you have referred and therefore it would be on the calendar unless there is a motion made by some member to dispose of it differently. House bill 609 the clerk will read [Speaker Changes] House committee substitute number 2 for House bill 609, a bill that have enacted relating to health benefit plan covered for orally administered anti capture drugs. [??] North Carolina next. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker we would ask that the particular bill be skipped just temporarily displaced pleased. The bill will be temporarily displaced. The chair also understand from Rep Pressnell is the lady ready to take up House bill 628. House bill 628 clerk will read [Speaker Changes] Committee substitute for house bill 628. A bill to entitle and act to protect North Carolina [??] by requiring that sustainable billing stamps does not disadvantage or prohibit the use of bill that is produced in the state. [??] North Carolina enacts. [Speaker Changes] Rep Pressnell please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] To speak on the bill [Speaker Changes] The lady is recognized to debate the bill [Speaker Changes] House bill 628 is pro jobs bill in North Carolina. It’s a forth North Carolina product in state construction and stop sending our tax dollars out of state or even out of the country. This bill creates a level playing field in green building standards in state construction. I would like to ad that there are four governors that are protecting the local products even by execute order in Georgia, Alabama, Oregon and Maine. Similarly, there are four other states that are initiating legislation to protect their local products in Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Florida. The reason that I started on this whole entire bill, I was very concerned when I found that Madison County had a U.S poor service facility that uses Bamboo flooring from Brazil and just to get a higher leads for education instead of using our local timber. Be every plain. This bill does not eliminate lead or any other national standard. It recognized all national environmental buildings rating system as long as do not discredit local certified products. Vice President of the North Carolina Forestry association Bob Schaffer said our forest here in North Carolina are grown, harvested and manufactured under the most stringent manufacturing standards in the world. Yet the lead certification due to it archaic and agenda driven requirement fails to promote locally grown products. This legislation would put North Carolina wood products on an equal playing field. This bill is supported by Commissioner Crops department of agriculture, the home builders association and the North Carolina Forestry association. I ask for your support in this bill. [Speaker Changes] Rep Harrison pleas estate your purpose [Speaker Changes] To debate the bill [Speaker Changes] The lady is recognized to debate the bill [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker and Ladies and gentlemen of the house.

I appreciate the Bill sponsor trying to work through the concerns that have been expressed about this bill because there is some dispute about whether Leed’s certifications actually impacted North Carolina ?? I’ve got some information, statistics here, we have 343 U.S. green building council member companies who are actually headquartered here in North Carolina. Thank you. In addition there are 4800 Leed accredited North Carolina professionals. I myself have been involved with the Leed construction project and I know what that’s meant for the clean energy clean green building industry and it’s been a very important part of North Carolina’s economy. And it is the perception on perspective of the U.S. green building council that this particular designation ?? got the Leed certification and end leed certification here in North Carolina. In addition to those statistics we are eleventh nationally in the country in the country in leed construction. Charlotte and Durham are at the top, in the top 50 cities in Leed buildings. We’ve got a Leed platinum building right down the street at the nature resource center. Back home in Guilford County, UNGC and A&T have recently constructed League silver buildings including the joint school of nano science and nano engineering which this body generously supported. The new core steel industry located in northeast North Carolina is concerned about how this might impact their market because they make recycled steel. This important component in Leed construction. And I guess the dispute is whether the local timber gets enough credit, and it does. The Leed program allows for credit for regionally-based timber. And it’s just unfortunate that there isn’t much timber here in North Carolina that has the forestry-sustainability council stamp of approval which is specifically listed in the Leed credits. And I can’t speak much more than that, but I do know that the timber here in North Carolina is available for Leed credits because it passes the regional concern. I do think that this is. I wish that we could work something out because I think this will have a negative impact on our green building industry, which is very important. I’m sure many of you have heard from your green builders about the night, the potential negative impacts of this bill. I urge you to vote no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Mobley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have heard from only one employer in that area, and that is New Corps. New Corps is one of the large employers in my area, or in my district. And I certainly would not want to see legislation passed that would hamper the business that they do for the people in my district. I plan to object a third reading and make a few more phone calls. Therefore, I don’t want anyone to think that I’m opposing North Carolina products because I’m not. We have other things including the steel. But if the concrete industry enters the same kind of concern about this bill, there would probably be some others joining my opposition of this bill at this time. Therefore I would encourage you to vote against this bill at this time. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hager, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know we talked a little bit about what disadvantage North Carolina timber has. And up until about two weeks ago I did know, ?? to put this bill in. I had a meeting with our local lumber company and our forestry folks, who make up a big part of employment in Rutherford county. And I’m sure many of your rural counties have the same issue. And they look at this bill and they say wait a minute we’ve been disadvantaged. I think the Leed ?? in 1998 since about 2000. And we just want a level playing field. We just want to be able to compete. And if you look at the numbers in difference to what Representative Harrison said, U.S. has about 14,000,000 acres of Leed-certified timber which is the forest stewardship council certified. Now overall, in the world, there is about 300,000,000 some around there acres. We pared it down to 14,000,000 in the United States. Now unfortunately I’d like to tell you that North Carolina has only 47,000 of the 14,000,000 acres which puts us 41st in the United States in ?? could be leed-certified timber. So what I would say is, as Representative Presnell says, this is a jobs bill. This is keeping our forestry

bonds were given our timber found to work is even a whole lot long to the worker 's all-male work is a great part of the county went to large saw mills employ about [SPEAKER CHANGES] two hundred fifty to three hundred people and they had been there a long time and this will help those that like to help them at job. [SPEAKER CHANGES] please been for the reasons are that house we had to group survived school students in a gallery we have one group of students, teachers and chaperones from Saint Leo's Catholic school and another group from Antioch elementary wingspan on his walk him at representor Wayne take your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] the rises with some concerns, but I'd say I'm going to support this bill does its intentions are, are very appropriate and admirable for North Carolina's fourth products to be considered in the lead certification process. my concerns are on a sort of unintended consequences we we've heard that lead is a a a a certification of green building. I'm an architect. I'm in the construction business. about half of the architecture projects in North Carolina are Leed certified. they are corporations, companies and people who clients who are building high quality building. see the Leed certification. it's a variant important. they has tax credits. lots of things associated with it if the system is been developed over a button at least a decade, maybe two decades in our problem is we have two competing forest associations that are getting along and we're not until I is primarily using one of them and lead is primarily using the other and we need to get this this piece worked out so that we don't lose our work in Leed certified building in North Carolina I don't think I know that's off the intent of the bill. I just want make sure as this moves our word that we get these really important job issues where they can assist tens of billions of dollars of construction that could be affected if we don't do this right, but I do think we need to put pressure on the parties to negotiate and get this straightened out for the state, North Carolina because we have a very environmentally friendly forestry sector that needs to participate in this very important construction industry and we need to align them. this is not just Australia it's it's it's construction and and commerce in general. so I'm about to move forward and hope the pressure of of of this General assembly will get these parties to the negotiating table and we will really solve this problem, so I encourage you to work and keep an eye on it. so we indeedsolve the problem and do not have the unintended consequences of losing tens of billions of dollars worth of construction contracts [SPEAKER CHANGES] state your purpose and your speaker [SPEAKER CHANGES] does become available it was written as I like this. it does stand up in support of this bill of the reason why I I think what were to find is that at first while very big deal in the construction industry,construction industry. what's happened is that we get is not itself a little member Jim and Ann were seeing the effects of this by the different states starting to act enact legislation to back their own products as he leads lead certification does like represented Queen said, it does promote local local products by giving them credits for the local products. the problem is that sometime along in their existence. they decided to instead of put out a standard and what the market compete for all this out. all these products. I took up to their specifications. we decided to certify everybody by themselves and what that ended up doing is it that you had selected groups that I just got in the door and they were able to

[0:00:00.0] …The products and eliminate a lot others. So, that’s basically what the Jim lead guide itself into. To get it out though I met actually a believer in the free market system and lead was actually developed under the free market system. So, what we are starting to see is certain competitions starting to come up and talk about other certification processes that are gonna be started so they are gonna address the same issues but include local products so that can be used. I ask you to support this bill, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McElraft please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I just wanna encourage you to support this so North Carolina Forestry Association off course supports this warehouse does also, this I think will put pressure on the lead design group to look and certifying other systems such as the sustainable forestry initiative, American tree farm system that our North Carolina farmland owners use and we have actually written letters to the lease certifying system and encourage them to use our North Carolina forestry products and certify them and this legislation I think will put more pressure to do that. So, if we just set here and allow their certification to discriminate our products it will continue for years and this is the right process, please vote for the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Mills please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and Gentlemen I will actually approves this bill a little differently than when I have heard to debate so far. One thing I wanna point out is that this bill is very specific to the major facility construction projects of the public agency, we are talking about buildings that are paid for by tax payer dollars, and what this bill does they just get into lead aspects in order to more or less ___[02:20] market for instance for the forestry industry but this allows our forestry market to compete in order for the projects that we all bill the tax payer dollars to be done in a more cost effective way. In no disrespect to Representative Mobley in regard to the company in her district this is not carving out from one to get into another this is just allowing this competition to be done with our North Carolina Forestry Projects and I wanna basically put our attention on these are public buildings for public agencies and this is tax payer dollars. So, I think that we have a tremendous responsibility to make these tax payer dollars go as far as possible and it’s a win-win that we can do that with North Carolina products, I think those sponsor bring this bill before and I definitely commend this go to this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Samuelson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill and send forward an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members we have heard a lot of the tension with lead because they haven’t some ways let their system get out update where you have got local products that we wanna support well at the same time if lead were to go away we have got local products that would be in trouble. So, you can feel this tension that this bill was originally told to a number of people that it was gonna be a study and then all of a sudden when it appeared in committee not as a study I don’t by Chair email why emails started to blow up new core with steel, the concrete, people the Deener had an opinion on it partially because they were unsure exactly what the impact was gonna be not because they don’t want our local timber or our local lumber but they are just uncertain whether the unintentional consequence of this maybe that it wipes out all lead and what you like or not there are a whole heck of a lot of jobs tied to it. So, I have an amendment please Mr. Speaker that I would like to send forward to address that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to send forward an amendment the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Samuelson moves to amend the bill on page 1 lines 29 and 30 by re-writing those lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members this amendment basically says that any project that it would delay the implementation date by one year then at that point any projects that are underway will then go ahead and be covered but if they have not gotten started will not be, by giving it one year it gives A. The message of we intend to do this what we… [0:04:59.9] [End of file…]

You all have said, that if we cant get the parties to come to the table by going ahead and putting it on the books and having an effective date it will in someways put pressure on the lead people to actually do something to work out a way for us to have our local products included but it also recognizes that there are projects there are companies there are all kinds of other issues that are underway that need more than the time it takes for this bill to pass and be signed by the governor to get everything in a row. By giving it one year it will give people time to figure out what really is the impact of it. These concerns that Deanor has expressed as well as some others while also sending the message that we intend to have our local products covered. If you want your local products covered but you also want the companies that you have invested in to lead to have a chance to adapt. I would urge that you support this amendments to delay the implementation one year while at the same time recognizing those projects that are already underway. I urge your support of the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Representative ?????????? please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] To speak on the amendment. [Speaker Changes] The lady has recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Changes] I urge you not to support this amendment. Lead has had over 13 years to get his ducks in a row and they're not there yet. I think this is a good bill. And I certainly would appreciate it. I did put another amendment in, could I speak on that right now? [Speaker Changes] The lady may not speak on that amendment at this time. You have been recognized to debate the amendment before us now and we will recognize it at the appropriate time if you have another amendment. Representative ?????? does the gentlemen wish to speak on the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Yes sir Mr. Speaker. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman has recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. The amendment, I think it said a year, it delays it by a year. And if we're going to support North Carolina products there is no better time than the present and I would like to see it start right now and I would like to support this bill. Either we are for North Carolina products or we're not and if not now when? No time like the present. Thank you. [Speaker Changes] Representative ?????? please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] Debate the amendment. [Speaker Changes] The gentleman has recognized to debate the amendment. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. If you guys will take a look on lines twenty-nine and thirty of the bill. It basically says that this act only applies to projects that are taking place after this bill becomes law. On or after the date. I think any planning here to afford is probably covered with that. And I agree with representative ???????? says. Folks in my district are at fifteen percent unemployment. I can understand the urban folks may have eight nine ten percent unemployment. I got fifteen sixteen. I need to add jobs now, a year from now does me some good, but certainly doesn't do me a whole lot of good right now. They always say, what's the best time to have jobs is yesterday, the second best time is today. The 365th best time is next year. Thank you. [Speaker Changes] Representative Deborah Ross please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Speak on the amendment. [Speaker Changes] The lady has recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentleman regardless of whether or not you support this particular amendment. The effective date in this bill is something that is completely unworkable. And is not the way we generally pass laws. We almost never say something is effective on the day it becomes law because it doesn't provide notice to the public. What if there are people out there that don't know the day that the governor signed this bill. We always give lead time for people to organize their affairs around what happens in our law and this bill as it is currently drafted is simply not appropriate for giving notice to the public and so of course representative ?????? amendment is appropriate. [Speaker Changes] Representative ?????? please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] I would urge you all to not support this amendment. [Speaker Changes] Representative ?????? please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Speak a second time on the amendment. [Speaker Changes] The lady has recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [Speaker Changes] Representative ??????? was really right. There is no better time to protect and create jobs then now. New core steel is one of the largest employers in our state they bring in lots of revenue. Concrete companies are all over our state. They also bring in lots of revenue. They all employ people and they are concerned that jobs are at risk if they don't have time to process the implementation of this bill. Had it been a study which is what they thought it was going to be. We might have gotten answers to the questions. But since is was not a study. If we put the effective date now, we may lose more jobs than are created in the forestry industry by doing it that way. Right now if you want to protect the jobs that are there.

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00:00 and the steel jobs it would give us the time to do that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] follow up Mr speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] does the lady yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the lady yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] so if I'm understanding the argument correctly is that it was said that this bill could potentially do away with lead certification in the state is that correct. [SPEAKER CHANGES] there is some who said that I will confess to not being an expert on lead but when I hear Deener raising questions about how it's gonna be implemented and some of the largest employers in the state raising questions but the study is not an option I agree with the idea that our number and our product should be allowed this was a way to hopefully help that happen by giving it time to happen and sending a firm message that that's what we want to have happen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr speaker do you mind if I debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'll be brief and I thank representative Samuelson for her kind of answer these questions here but the way that I see this that this is in regard to public buildings this has not taken away or undermined or pulled the rug out of all these certifications in state these are tax payer funded buildings and in regard to allowing a steel and a concrete industry in order to kind of get a heads up and the heads up that I see is that what now wood is gonna be able to compete I don't really understand that really how it could hurt or harm them and again my intention was to ask the questions have a understanding how it could and I'm not saying that it will not but I don't see how allowing wood to compete with concrete and steel for just publicly funded and public facilities how's that gonna cause a determinate to go ahead and allow it to be put into effect as soon as we start rolling on this and I just have to ask you all to very humbly and kindly to vote against this amendment so we can allow wood to compete now as a same way that concrete and steel does also thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Bumgardner please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask representative Catlin a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Catlin does the gentleman yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Catlin in your considered opinion would this amendment have an effect on lead. [SPEAKER CHANGES] this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] yes, the amendment the time frame we're talking about here now versus a year. [SPEAKER CHANGES] well one of the things I've learned is I've gone through this process and I always like to say I'm smarter tomorrow than I am today is that what it does is there maybe buildings and processes that are on their way to get their energy certification that are using the lead process this would give them an opportunity to finish those buildings without having to kind of start over that's my reason to support this amendment to give those people more time and to give us time to look at other products in North Carolina so that we can maybe tweak it all at the same time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] does the gentleman wish to ask more ... [SPEAKER CHANGES] follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] well I heard it said that this could potentially lead to the end of it I just wanted to know if you thought that was the case or not. [SPEAKER CHANGES] no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Brody please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] speak on the amendment again. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask everyone to oppose this amendment I think we've got a misconception also of lead that lead does not hold the secret to green building we can do everything that lead proposes without being a lead certified building company or builder or as a state actually contract with or through lead everything can be done without it the only thing that we don't get is the prestigious [??] that we can put on the wall that says it's a lead I would ask you to not support this amendment it's just gonna delay things and also keep in mind that there're other competitors out there that would love the opportunity to present their rating system to North Carolina thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] representative Carney please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] to speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the lady's recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you Mr speaker ladies and gentlemen of the house I've been. 05:00

For ten years and I have watched the debate go back and forth and I have concluded over my10 years and even my 6 years on the county commission. If it makes sense government doesn’t do it. Well this is one of those times with this amendment that it makes sense. There is even a question by major companies in our state as to what the impact is going to be on the jobs that we are talking about here. There is even a question or doubt we would not take time to look in to what those potential problems would be and solve them within this year. At the same time you are getting the best of both. You are getting them an amendment that buys time for major corporations that have asked us to do this. And yet you are saying to North carolonians that we support North Carolina Forest. I don’t know why. We also come in and say No it’s my way it’ your way. The best way to get the bill passed up here is that you have every person in the table that may have problem with what your bill is and you have fully vetted it. It’s fully gone through a committee process. Here we have question from several members and myself, this is to be a study and I have talked with people in the lead industry and yet we come in there is a major bill and a major change and a major impact. Do we know all the answers to the impact? No. One year and short sessions start in May. One year and we can address those issues and not have Major Corporation’s concern. I just think that if this is true common sense approach my dear yet we are still saying we support this bill. I urge you to support this amendment [Speaker Changes] Representative Dickson, please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] To debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] Gentlemen is recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker, members. There has been a tremendous amount of study since this bill has been introduced. And what we have simply hear is those folks who for years who have enjoyed unleveled playing field need more time to rally the troops and rally the wagons to enjoy to continue to enjoy the unlevel playing field. I encourage you to vote against the amendment and vote for the bill. [Speaker Changes] Further discussion further debate on the amendment. If not the question for the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Samuelson to the house committee substitute for house bill 628. All in favor vote Aye and all oppose vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 53 having voted in the affirmative and 58 in the negative, the amendment fails. Now back on the bill. Further discussion further debate. Representative McGrady Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] To speak on the bill [Speaker Changes] Gentleman is recognized to speak on the bill [Speaker Changes] In committee I offered the amendment that would have turned this in to a study. Every once in a while we get in to these debates like the tempest and tea pod and this is one of them. I have seen language that Newcore had out forward to the warehouser that would fix all of the problems that are being vaguely addressed here. And I would find myself with the language that has been out forward supporting the bill and that’s where I would like to be. I probably own as much timber as anybody here, I don’t know. I have never explored that. But I have got a fairly large holding of timber back in Henderson County. I am not against Timber but I do think we are MAKING a mistake by going down this road this way when there is such an easy fix to the whole thing. But since we don’t seem to be want to be there, I am going to vote No. I am going to object to third reading hoping that cooler minds will come together and get this thing resolved and send a bill that we can all support over to the senate [Speaker Changes] Ladies and Gentlemen of the house one motion of Annie Mobley from Bertie

county in Hertford and Pasquotank counties. The chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Steve Biggs, executive director of Economic Development in Windsor, North Carolina. Please stand Steve and let us welcome you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Presnell, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To bring forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to send forth and amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Presnell moves to amend the bill on page 1, line 21 by rewriting that line to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is just to make this bill effective when it becomes law and applies to construction and renovation projects for which the bidding process has already been initiated so that there won’t be any problems with ones that are ongoing, that kind of thing. That’s what it’s for. It will help the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This is a good amendment, I would urge you to support it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If...Representative Arp, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Can we clarify which amendment is up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The amendment should be on the dashboard. The amendment would be ARI-24 version 1. Do all members have access to it on the dashboard? The chair is being advised that may not be correct. The House will be at ease Ladies and gentlemen, the staff...there appears to be a question about whether or not we have the right version so the House will be at ease. Representative Presnell, the chair understands that there may be a drafting difference between the amendment that we should have properly before us and the one that we do have now so the chair would advise that the lady withdraw the current amendment and we will send it forth at the appropriate time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do withdraw the current amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To provide staff with time to… Representative Presnell, the chair understands that your amendment would not change the title, therefore we could go ahead and take a vote today and then bring that up tomorrow, if the lady is okay with that. Further discussion, further debate on the bill. Representative Samuelson, please state your purpose. We’re on the bill. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House committee substitute to House Bill 628 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 78 having voted in the affirmative and 34 in the negative, the House committee substitute to House Bill 628 has passed its second reading and will remain on the calendar. House Bill 665. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 665. The bill has been entitled An Act to Amend the Inspection Requirements for Used Vehicles Sold On a Salvage Title By Dealers. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members, this is a non-controversial bill. I’m aware of no opposition. What it simply does is it says when a license dealer sells a car and it’s salvaged and does not do any repairs to it, that you do not have to do the inspection. The reason for the inspections once the repairs are done is to make sure its roadworthy and ready to go. This is simply you go to buy the car and the thing’s damaged. It’s salvage. It’s not drivable, so you don’t need an inspection, you know its not drivable. Before it can ever be though made roadworthy, be put back on the road and be licensed again, it would still have to go through that inspection process. As I said, I know of no opposition from DMV, we were in transportation yesterday, no one spoke of it. I’ve heard of no one that has a problem with it. I’ll be glad to answer any questions.

Representative Robert Brawley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is one of those days. My seatmate said there's no opposition to this bill, and he's absolutely right. I'd urge you to vote for it. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lucas, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Question of Representative Moore. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, this salvage title applies only to dealers. It does not apply to individuals, is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's right. What happens now is, insurance companies can sell these vehicles salvaged, they often will buy them and sell them salvaged. And there's been a problem where dealers have bought the cars salvaged and want to be able to sell them to the guys that do rebuild them. And so having to have this inspection when the thing's a wreck is just a waste of time. Before the guy that buys it, though, can put it back on the road, they do have to have the inspection then. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 665 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, House Bill 665 has passed its second reading without objection. It will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion or further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 665 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it, House Bill 665 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 670, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 670, a bill to be entitled “An act authorizing the Department of Health and Human Services to study extending the provision of foster care to the age of 21.” General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr Speaker. This is, very simply, a study bill authored by the Rules Committee. This bill, at this point, is just studying whether foster care should be extended to age 21. It came as a recommendation of some folks. Should the bill pass the House and go to the Senate, you will probably see some additional studies related to foster care and children placed on there, as well as who knows what else, they may put all kinds of studies. We are choosing to put a few study bills over to the Senate that may be used for additional study bills to come back. We'd urge the body to support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 670 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. Representative Brandon. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative, House Bill 670 has passed its second reading without objection. It will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 670 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have in, House Bill 670 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 692, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 92, a bill to be entitled “An act to commend the North Carolina Anti-Predatory Lending Law and to limit the provisions of state mortgage lending law to being no more restrictive than Federal law.” General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Szoka, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, the title of this bill does exactly what the bill does. It brings North Carolina law in complete compliance, and no more strict, than Federal law. Federal mortgage law can be very difficult. So far to date this year, there have been over 800 pages of changes to the law. This indexes our law to Federal law. It does not harm consumers, as a matter of fact it helps consumers, and the category of consumers it helps are those who have modest incomes, who live in modest homes -- I define “modest” homes by $80.000 value or less – or those people who wish to buy those type of homes. There's no objections to this bill, the people who've had input to it is the North Carolina Commissioner of Banks, the Mortgage Bankers' Association, mortgage brokers, the Center for Responsible Lending, and North Carolina Justice Center. I do have an amendment to offer on this, and I'd like to offer that amendment at this time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Szoka moves to amend the bill on page four, line five by re-writing the line to read: [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] After Committee vote, where this bill was passed unanimously, there were several in the audience who looked at it and saw that we had actually made a technical [RECORDING ENDS]

mistake in the wording. The original wording in the bill would only change North Carolina law to federal law at one time. So what this does is it indexes the North Carolina law specifically to the US general statutes. So if federal law goes up, this will change with it. If federal law, the part that it's tied to, goes down, it goes with it. And the second thing that this amendment does is if there's a problem and someone sues, that it will allow state courts to hear the case, not go to federal law. So I would urge you to support the amendment. [NEW SPEAKER] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment set forth by Representative Szoka for the House Committee substitute of House Bill 692. All in favor for aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 113 having voting in the affirmative, 9 in the negative. The amendment passes. We are now back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate on the bill. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee substitute to House Bill 692 as amended on it's second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 111 having voted in the affirmative, and one in the negative. The House Committee substitute to House Bill 692 is amendment has passed it's second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [NEW SPEAKER] General Assembly of North Carolina is next. [NEW SPEAKER] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House committee substitute to House Bill 692 as amended on it's third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House committee substitute to House Bill 692 is amended as passed it's third reading. The bill will be engrossed and sent to the Senate. House Bill 693 the clerk will read. [NEW SPEAKER] You mean 700. [NEW SPEAKER] Chair stands corrected. That bill was re-referred to J committee. House Bill 700, the clerk will read. [NEW SPEAKER] Committee substitute to House Bill 700, a bill to the Filing Act making omnibus changes to the laws relating to state information technology governance. General Assembly of North Carolina are next. [NEW SPEAKER] Representative Saine, please state your purpose. [NEW SPEAKER] To speak on the bill. [NEW SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [NEW SPEAKER] Thank you Mr. Speaker. As with many of our IT bills, these have sailed through committee. This went through governance last week. I'd like to thank Representative Cleveland. I was on a trip, you might have read about it. So I couldn't present the bill. But, we had no opposition in government. Although I would say that Representative Cleveland, I think, went about 3 minutes in his presentation, which is generally about 2 minutes and 30 seconds more on IT presentations than I make. But I think you very much. Happy to answer any questions. [NEW SPEAKER] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House committee substitute to House Bill 700 on it's second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. All members wishing to record do so now. Clerk will let the machine record the vote. 111 having voting in the affirmative, none in the negative. The House committee substitute to House Bill 700 has passed it's second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [NEW SPEAKER] General Assembly of North Carolina is next. [NEW SPEAKER] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House committee substitute to House Bill 700 on it's third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House committee substitute to House Bill 700 has passed it's third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Representative George Graham, does the gentleman wish to be recorded on the prior vote, recorded as aye? [NEW SPEAKER] Yes, sir. I was in court. Yes, sir, thank you. [NEW SPEAKER] Gentleman will be recorded as having voted aye on House Bill 700 on the second reading. House Bill 718 the clerk will read. [NEW SPEAKER] The committee substitute for House Bill 718, a bill to entitle an Act directing the Joint Legislative Education Oversight Committee to study issues related to providing duty-free instructional planning time during regular student contact hours to all classroom teachers. Strategies for providing North Carolina with great leaders for great schools and the common core state standards, and directing the Department of Public Instruction to study the use of certain safety measures in schools including the installation of silent panic alarm systems for use in life threatening and emergency situations. General Assembly of North Carolina are next. [NEW SPEAKER] Representative Holloway, please state your purpose. [NEW SPEAKER] To explain the bill. [NEW SPEAKER] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [NEW SPEAKER] Thank you.

Mr. Speaker, earlier in the session, I had filed one of the many education studies that was filed in our Chairs that the Education Committee asked if they could use that as the trainer or engine to create an omnibus education study bill, and I agreed, and the bill title, I think, lists all the different studies including this bill. I'd be happy to answer any questions and I ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. I had gotten together with Representative Blackwell, and Rob Bryan and Michael Speciale, and put forward House Bill 733, a study bill for common core. And it was suggested it would be better to roll it into this bill, and I do appreciate the fact that that has been done, and this is going forward, but we has 20 sponsors total for the bill I initially put forth, and I just want those folks to know I appreciate your support, and Representative Speciale and I had a meeting with Dr. Akinson this afternoon about this situation, and she did not object at all to common core being studied, and so I just wanted people to know that. I do appreciate that this is going forward, and ask you to vote for the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Committee substitute to House Bill 718 on its 2nd reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no, the clerk will open the vote. All members wishing to record, please do so at this time. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative, and none in the negative. The House Committee substitute to House Bill 718 has passed its 2nd reading will be read a 3rd time. [SPEAKER CHANGES]General Assembly of North Carolina in acts. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Committee substitute to House Bill 718 on its 3rd reading. All in favor say aye, all opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House Committee substitute to House Bill 718 has passed its 3rd reading and will be sent to the Senate. Pages, we're about to come up to your quitting time, I'm going to let you all off 3 minutes early. Because we never know how long some of these debates may go. So, thank you for your service today, you are hereby dismissed for the afternoon, have a good evening. House Bill 785, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Committee substitute to House Bill 785, a bill to entitle and act to create a statewide pilot program to enable cost sharing for transportation improvements. General Assembly of North Carolina in acts. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Representative Iler, please state your purpose. To debate the bill. The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Let me tell you what this bill is not. It's nothing to do with the previous transportation bill, House Bill 817. Secondly, it involves no public money, this is private money from developers, where DOT requires them to put in improvements when they do there development, and this just permits DOT to enter into partnerships so in atypical projects, and the term 'atypical', if finally got a definition in response to Representative Moore's question in committee, it's large planned, multiphase developments that encompass large amounts of land, and it would not involve individual driveway permits, and that sort of thing. A good example would be a development in the Northern part of our county, in Northern Brunswick county called Brunswick Forest, with about 4,000 to 5,000 home sites being developed, and along Highway 17, and a large Wal-mart complex right down the road, and then other commercial and residential developers will come in do improvements, but they'll allow partnerships the DOT can enter into to spread the costs of the developments around. Again, small developments, small businesses, individual driveway permits, that would not be affected by this. Thank you. I urge your support of the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES]Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Committee substitute to House Bill 785 on its 2nd reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113

?? Affirmative one in the negative the house committee substitute the house bill 785 has passed its second reading without objection will be read a third time (SPEAKER CHANGE) Representative North Carolina next (SPEAKER CHANGE) Further discussion further debate if not the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute the house bill 785 on its third reading all in favor say aye all opposed say no ?? the house committee substitute for house bill 785 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the senate ladies and gentleman we one other bill to dispose of at the bottom of page two house bill 609 the clerk will read. Ladies and gentleman it was actually read earlier before we displaced it and know its back properly before us representative Louis please state your purpose (SPEAKER CHANGE) Speak on the bill (SPEAKER CHANGE) The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill (SPEAKER CHANGE) Thank you ms speaker ladies and gentleman of the house house bill 609 that you have before you is pretty straightforward bill what it provides for is that for those insurers who provide insurance to individuals that have cancer and there by provide treatment for that cancer as prescribed by their oncologist that the method in which the drug or the treatment is delivered needs to be treated with parity that means it needs to cost the same as many of you the way our insurance system works is often a couple of different ways that copays or coinsurance or the part that the individual’s required to meet are met there are copay if you go to the doctor there’s another copay if you go to the pharmacist to get your prescription filled this bill would say if your doctor if an individual’s doctor tells them that an oral cancer drug is the best way to beat the cancer they are fighting that their out of pocket cost can’t be any more than the more routine procedure of having an IV cancer drug. the hour is getting late we can go on for a long time on this bill I don’t think there is anybody in this chamber who’s not in some way been touched by cancer in your past ya’ll know if it was a personal experience someone in your family or a friend here’s what I can tell you though all this bill before you does is say if a doctor decides that a person’s illness can be treated via a pill or some other kind of prescription medicine instead of having to go to a treatment center and sit through and IV injection in their arm for ever much time that takes that the cost of that person the out of pocket money that that person has to pay will be the same as if they did go and sit in the chair and have the iv run in their arm. we have had some discussion on this bill some folks have wanted to express with great great intent that somehow this bill is a mandate an insurance mandate is where the state of NC tells an insurance company to cover a illness or a sickness that they do not currently cover this bill does not do that this bill says if you cover it than make it make it parity make it the same copay for make it the same copay for what kind of treatment the doctor prescribe I respectfully ask for your support on this bill

And has not been touched by cancer. I will tell you my story. There are 5 girls in my family and every one of us has had breast cancer. I have a sister who not only has breast cancer, but has uterine cancer. And at this moment has cancer in a third site that they cannot find, but she has a tumor in her liver bigger than a tissue box. And it’s a secondary site. So I of all people can appreciate where we are with cancer drugs and cancer treatment. However, I’ve been very confused about this bill all along. What does it mean? How are we comparing what a pharmacy pays with what a doctor’s office pays? When I went to the doctor for my treatment, whether he gave me a pill, whether he gave me an IV, however he did it, all for that is caught up and I had no co-pay or deductible for the drugs. I had my appointment visit for the doctor. That’s the charge that was given to me. So does that now mean when you go to get these oral drugs that your co-pay is zero? Because then all the cost can be pushed onto the insurance company? Yes, these are expensive drugs. Yes, there’s a lot of research and development, there’s a lot of risk in them. And then the other question comes up, we’re doing this for cancer, what happens next? Has anybody been treated for rheumatoid arthritis? Various other drugs that are incredibly expensive and perhaps not even covered by insurance? And with that in mind, Mr. Speaker, I’d like to send forth an amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens moves to amend the bill on page 2, lines 4 and 5 by inserting the following between the lines. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] When this legislation has been passed in other states, insurance plans have had to offer oral chemo drugs at zero dollars cost share. That means they’re giving away the drugs for free. This amendment will allow a co-pay that did not exceed $500. That would be a maximum that the insurance company could charge. It would not increase premiums for the various other insurance companies that do it. And Blue Cross Blue Shield, even though we haven’t done it in this bill, has committed that they would put this on any other specialty drug. That this $500 pay co-ay. But because it can’t quite fit in this bill, we’ll have to do that by a separate bill. This would apply to drugs that would also include multiple sclerosis and arthritis. Combined with the new federal law, an individual would have an out of pocket maximum of $6,350 per year for treatment of their drugs. So I’d ask for your support on this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, the amendment sent forth by the lady from Surry is truly revolutionary. Because according to our staff, in no other way in statute in the state has the amount of the co-pay been set or limited. I can tell you, that I have grave concerns with this amendment for a variety of reasons. In the other states that have passed the bill, which by the way there are 24 of them in the District of Columbia that have a bill like this. In the other states, that solve to put some kind of language like this in there the amount was much much smaller. I can produce for you the studies which show that it’s ironic the $500 dollar amount is the point where over a quarter of the people receiving treatment decide they can’t afford it so they no longer, they never even get it. They never even buy it. So they don’t get the treatment that they need. So I would ask you oppose the amendment on two grounds. One, it’s not done anywhere else or anything else or on any other type of health care in our statue. And two, the amount is restrictive to folks who need this help. So I would ask you to vote no on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, there are other lights on, the Chair is ?? for members which to speak on the amendment? On the amendment? Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman.

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For oral and intravenous chemotherapy. According to what the insurance companies have done in other states where the bill has passed, there's been less than a 2% increase in insurance. And from what I understand, when the ACA comes into effect through the exchange it's going to be covered anyway because it's going to be under pre-existing condition. I do not support the amendment. One reason is because each pill, if it's oral, with the $500 you can have 5 chemotherapy oral medicines - at least three taken at the same time. That's $1500 out of pocket to get your first round. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Earle, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members, I hate to disagree with my colleague, but I do not support the amendment. Five hundred dollars is a lot of money. Many people would not even have that kind of money to pay for the prescription. And what I would like to say is when you factor in the cost of going to a facility to actually have the injection administered, there's costs that are going to be incurred in that; and how many other drugs do we compare the cost when we provide coverage for? And I just think this is something we ought not do. These people, we heard in committee that this is much less invasive as the injection is. And we have people talking about the better quality of life with taking the oral medication. I would just ask you to vote no on this amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that there are good, I suspect, good reasons both ways here, but we know that what we're really seeing in part is a contest of course between Blue Cross Blue Shield on one hand and pharmaceutical companies on the other, going on. But the people being caught in the crossfire on this amendment, and to some degree on the bill, are the patients and I'm going to side with the patients. There are only approximately a hundred of them, and although there is precedent issues here and I understand that, we can't deal with all that in a single bill. This bill is a narrow bill crafted by Representative Lewis to deal with a hundred people who have cancer. Who can only or by doctor's orders, for the best, most efficient treatment be treated with the oral medication. We can't answer all the questions on this bill, we can't deal with all the other diseases, but we can help to save these hundred lives. I'm just going to focus on the narrow issue before us, and the narrow issue before us is if you vote for this amendment as Representative Earle and Cunningham have said, you may as not vote for the bill because most of the people then can't afford to do the medication. So, if you're in favor of the bill, you should be opposed to the amendment - and that is, again, not to say that there should be negotiation on a much lower figure, but this figure doesn't do justice to the bill. There are a lot of issues here, but again I choose to vote for the hundred patients that are involved in the narrow circumstance of the bill; and for that reason I'll be voting against the amendment and for the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Insko please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized for the second time to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn't do a very good job of explaining that. This figure is not a copayment. It is a cap on the out of pocket expenses. This cap would be applied both to the pill that is taken, the oral prescription drug, or the inoculation injection at the hospital. And Blue Cross Blue Shield and other insurers have agreed to support a bill that would spread this to all specialty drugs. This is a way the insurance should work. The cost should be spread across many different parties and across many different drugs. It shouldn't all be put

on one kind of patient for one kind of illness. So this is actually a cap on the co-payment and the out of pocket expenses and it would apply both in the hospital and for the oral pill taken at home. So we still don't understand this. To me this is committee work still. Try to do committee work on the floor where we are getting more details and getting a better understanding. This is a good amendment. I hope you will vote for it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on amendment? Representative Fulghum, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, mister speaker. I have agonized over this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman wishes to debate the amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I appreciate your ?? We can talk about pharmaceutical and medical benefits in one sentence. What we are talking about here is the confusion is being created over the artificial separation. And the medical benefit that you have in your insurance package covers the IV treatment in the hospital. Pharmaceutical benefit covers the out patient treatment that you get at the drug store and pick up your pills. They're are two separate events as far as the insurance carriers are concerned, as far as the deductibles are concerned in most cases. Blue Cross, Blue Shield is not the perpetrator of this system. All insurance companies have to benefit themselves in regards to covering the risks that they take on. So they try to figure how to do that by charging the proper premiums. The answer is unpredictable. Patience is a ??, as previous speakers have noticed, of our efforts here. I think the amendment does not add to the benefit of the bill. Therefore, I am against the amendment for the bill. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Tine, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask the amendment's sponsor a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, will you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. I apologize. I'm a bit confused at this point. It says in your amendment that it's per five hundred per filled perscription. I've heard some people say it is the total co-pay amount. I've heard some people say it's a monthly amount. Could you define that five hundred dollars for me? Is that for the whole treatment or is that a per month type of deal? [SPEAKER CHANGES] It is intended, and I think the amendment is not as clear as it needs to be and it probably still needs some work, the intent was no more than five hundred per month. It does say five hundred per perscription, but again we were doing this as we were walking on the floor today and I haven't made those corrections. Apparently it does say five hundred per perscription but I will tell you if the amendment passes and we pass the bill ?? the third, then I will make sure that it is clearly that way tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So it's not for a year period which a normal co-insurance type of or deductible period would cover? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I believe it says the co-insurance, and again, it is not really a co-pay. It talks about being a co-insurance. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Insko, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to ask representative Stevens a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, does the lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lady yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, I don't want this amendment to fail. I also agree that it needs some cleaning up, some clarification. Maybe we need to get some more further additional information on it. I'm wondering if it would be better to ?? a third and run this amendment tomorrow. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And I would certainly be happy to yield to that but I did want to have this discussion. Mister speaker we want to place this amendment and ?? objection to third. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The amendment has been withdrawn by representative Stevens. We are back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate on the bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Richardson, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister speaker, I would like to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I was in the committee yesterday when we debated this bill and I am a recipient of chemo therapy and I had the option of getting IV treatment ten days at Duke hospital. I refused that and I went out of state to Philadelphia and I got the oral treatment and I didn't have any problem with my insurance paying one or the other. But I do want to stand here and say that if a patient has an option to take oral treatment for cancer it is much better for that patient. The quality of life and everything is much better. Cancer is a very

Deadly disease I was fortunate that I did not have the most aggressive but my doctor told me that many patients don’t necessarily die from cancer. They die from malnutrition because the drug makes them so sick that they cannot eat. So if we are concerned about helping people, I urge you to vote for this Bill because the chemo, the oral chemo is less invasive and one can function a whole lot better with that treatment than they can with IV. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stevens, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen and I’ve talked to several members of the house here and I don’t know that everybody didn’t seem to get this notice but this is from the National Federation of Independent Business and I will just read you the relevant portions. Affordable and accessible health insurance for small businesses is one of our top three concerns for the successful small businesses in our state. Continued insurance mandates only increase the cost of healthcare and insurance are almost making it impossible for any small business owner to provide healthcare for their employees. House Bill 609 in seeking answer from treatment Fairness Act would require employers to offer health benefits to the employees to cover all the chemotherapy medications in a manner similar to that of IV chemotherapy. In-house IVs concern is that no matter how well-intentioned health insurance mandates help you while making basic coverage more expensible, expensive and less successful for everyone. In-house IV asks that House Bill 609 be referred to insurance committee which has happened, so that the cost to small businesses can be completely debated, if not, House Bill 609 is above the house floor, In-house IV asks you to vote ‘no’ on this expensive health insurance mandate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McLaurin, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much Mr Speaker. Members of the House, I just want to encourage you all to vote for this bill. I have seen my brother who had cancer, he had brain cancer. And I saw that he took the IV therapy and, and the, all trips to the hospital for that therapy and what it did to his body. And I saw what it, the bacterial infections that he got when he went to the hospital for the therapies, the nosocomial infections that he got from the hospital and I saw the cost of those hospital stays for that IV therapy. And believe me, they were very, very expensive to his insurance company. I also had a friend who had cancer. She had bone cancer, she had lung cancer and she had also a brain tumor here in Chapel Hill. She was very lucky to have the North Carolina Cancer Institute here at the university and her doctor had an experimental drug that he actually had the final FDA approval. It was an oral therapy. He got it for her, has been FDA approved. She went through that, did not lose any hair, had a wonderful cancer treatment and has now been cancer-free ?? mission from all three of those cancers that they told her. Had she had IV therapy and not had this oral care cancer therapy, she would not have lived for, after three months if she had not had this therapy. The quality of life she has compared to the quality of life my younger brother had, I can’t put a dollar value on that. Please vote for this Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Robert Brawley, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the Bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr Speaker, ladies and gentlemen, as, as already been brought out, all of us have been touched by cancer. Survivors, I congratulate you, you’re quite fortunate. In our family and one generation, there have been seven deaths from cancer before the age of sixty, all men. Though whenever I’m sick, believe me.

call me chronic, neurotic, call me whatever you want to as long as you call me. Because I'm going to go get it checked on. But, we also have to look out for those that are living and trying to make a living. These are tough economic times. I've talked to Blue Cross and Blue Shield and they have submitted, to the department of insurance, rate increases of 80% for health insurance beginning January 2014. That doesn't mean it's going to be that much, you still have got the commissioner to make the final decision, but the submission is for an 80% rate increase in health insurance. You heard the discussion, it's not a mandate. I don't know how you tell somebody to do something and it's not a mandate. You heard the discussion. This is, the amendment was defeated or pulled back because of an argument, this is the first time we dealt with co-pay. This pay does exactly that in telling an insurance company what to pay. It is going to increase the cost regardless of what we say. I am sorry, I do have to vote against it, I urge you to vote against it, we're mandating enough, people out there are trying to make their plans and make a living. And this is a mandate. We'll work out a way. I urge you to defeat this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I think we have a very clear instance here of where our technology has got ahead of our laws, and that's exactly what happened. They can come up with over the next six months 15-dozen different infusion therapies and nobody would say a word about it. The insurance companies would cover it, and people would be safe from cancer. But because we have a new technology in the sense of a delivery system, we are not going to be able to help people. And I do not think that's right. It behooves us as smart people to figure out how we can take advantage of the technology that's available to our people because they're not only finding new oral applications they're being able to find the oral applications for the current infusion therapies and giving the people a much greater quality of life that they can carry on and they can work and not have to take time, go to a hospital, run the risk of other infections, and lose a lot of time because they have to stay in for two or three hours at the time. So let's please get technology and funding straight. To save some of the lives of people in the state. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Folks, once again, I can't support this bill right now if the amendment goes on it I'll be happy to change my vote. If we don't like the fact that we have one predominant insurance carrier in North Carolina, we can blame the General Assembly for that, in a large part. Again, back in the 1990s long before health consolidation became what it is today the fact that we continued to pass mandates, continued to push companies out of North Carolina. I had several companies I was writing with back in the early '90s and I would ask them "why are you guys leaving North Carolina"? They say well you keep increasing the mandates, you keep constricting what we can do with premiums because you're saying you can't rate the most healthy group, but a certain multiple over the least healthful group. Our actuaries can't figure out whether we can make a profit in North Carolina or not, so the fact that we have very few insurance companies now and one predominant one is due, a lot, to legislation that's been passed over the last 20 years., And not believe that or believe it but I can tell you I was in the field and that's what happened. Also, now we're going to do, I think we're going to contribute to another trend in North Carolina. We heard an insurance Committee the other day. North Carolina is one of the fastest growing states in small businesses dropping their health insurance coverage. That should be alarming to all of us. This is something that is just one more small step towards exacerbating that trend. When the small business people are being squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and squeezed say I'm sorry I just can't be squeezed anymore. They do one of three things. They either drop their health insurance coverage, they lay people off, or they turn full time employees into part time employees so they don't have to pay benefits. Again, I'll be happy to support this bill if we can get an amendment where there is some cost sharing. I'm not sure we don't have equity all ready. I mentioned before that my dad had injections. They cost $2000 apiece, and he wound up paying most of that, he had Medicare and that was it. But, if somebody's getting a $2000 benefit free and somebody else is getting a $10,000 pill and paying $500 where's the parody? Who's getting the break there? So, there's a lot of way to look at parody, not just the way that' has been presented in this bill. My concern is more that we're continuing to exacerbate trends -

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I have to bear set to insurance. I went to the chairman of the insurance to make the and i ask him if we send her you have to bear her. He greet there and then what he said he will do [SPEAKER CHANGES] I did what i said i will do.the way iam sorry rolling of the day where to you i am worked thanks the core and talk a thing where was could a week ago say that the bill needed ago to insurance and the request of these insurance has to go that might be over the due has to go down go to insurance. So we took after flow senate insurance and we discuss these things is then to insurance is been good is been discussed i would respectly has that the motion to overflow we decided and lets be on this field. Thank you miss fig. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I request mr jane please Take your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speaker ?? speaker right now may commercial. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I would require representative mr.comet is on listen to the debate in the chamber.i don’t think this discrepancy in the procession is going to be solved we tackle changes in a comedy there are soft core idea launch to different physics present on this core. We can send back this bill to the insurancecompany to the comedy thats not the saw the wax will joy will compensation we had you today seems like the meyer this is not the wish you go ahead talk now the ??representative dr.stevenson?? i cant believe sending the insurance just anything but the lie is getting back there week and doing this all overagain. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Prof.lay hock please take on your puporse[SPEAKER CHANGES] speak on the most we refer[SPEAKER CHANGES] the german mr.right now to the discussion[SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you mr.speaker and i appreciate the endolescene of this body this afternoon before a lot people work here on this beer i think the beer is to be rewarded today we explode everyones consolence about it. I think be enjoyous appreciate the hard work its be turn about the they send it back to insurance eventhough they ground the floor before and they had the ?? and i think it has to be appreciation work.so we don’t know about the work and we deal with the various insurance company they had this registration lecture we all heard it we all talked about it and i think we should all thats the motion we should refer there.[SPEAKER CHANGES] mr.stanley please take your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] speaker??[SPEAKER CHANGES] speaker be in motion[SPEAKER CHANGES] the i was run the insurance company the way in we discussed and the the everyone boarded after this bill was one and after the represented mr.varley was the he has to listen too commence in ?? but it was insurance i like to send the back to insurance its highly unlikely you will get a different result all is to do the way i this bill can be had so i would suggest and hope that this bill can be had this afternoon and boarded either up or down.thankyou [SPEAKER CHANGES] presented michael[SPEAKER CHANGES] please take your purpose[SPEAKER CHANGES] be on the motion [SPEAKER CHANGES] represent the flues for to come and the description may seem us to go and then in the common name thank you for that and i would represent glues for that everything in his power to do the right thing with this i would seen the communication meaning reasoningly coming up cross i would go on with us i mean an insurance to own a several bills we had and the vary seriel of the we had people speaking on the very good on the speak?? And thats and i appreciate that because of that the time for us very series concern we had to die on the floor a time actually time to had and comedy and we had to do this very very quikly in comedy and we said much more discussion much more sub to discuss here to they in the insurance comedy so that we will refer this body i request mr.john please take on your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] i the motion [SPEAKER CHANGES] the german is right now to the debate the motion in second time [SPEAKER CHANGES] thankyou mr.speaker i think i have to give my first experience as example.everybody have to go. i have to go i with everyone we had it today. But i feel like iam sitting in a big comedy and iam doing comedian work in the middle work on issues i wouldn’t due with the lie done we and i hearing big sides after hearing people know about this to issues talk about things and i think probably should be with the comedy. Iam getting very comfortable with it the more we discussed actually and iam presiding that iam hearing that.

came out of insurance without a whole lot of discussion or without much controvesy or whatever, so I am putting this forth. I appreciate greatly the amount of work that Representative Lewis has done, Rep Dockham and his committee but I really feel this is something that should go back to insurance but whichever way you feel, you won't hurt my feelings either way. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Hastings, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] To see if Representative Steinburg would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Steinburg does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Of course I would, yes. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Steinburg was there a division in the Insurance Committee? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Division in the vote? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] I don't believe so, no. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Does the gentleman yield? Gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGE] So we in fact don't know what the votes were, is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Well one of the folks who raised his hand when I was speaking, Representative Brawley, corrected me and said there were two people who voted against that bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Do you think Representative Brawley knows exactly how I voted in that committee? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Brawley is a pretty sharp guy. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Brawley is not that sharp. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Speak on the bill, on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized to speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you I feel like I need to stand up just to defend myself as Chairman of the Insurance Committee. I felt like we had good debate on the bill, we debated the bill, we heard from the public, we took questions after that and I think I made the statement this is the type of thing that we could probably spend 3 or 4 committee meetings on but nobody brought this up in committee. There were very few questions quite frankly. I thought we had a good meeting and as promised, I moved the bill through the committee in an expeditious manner as I promised Representative Lewis. Now I don't want us to stand here all afternoon and debate this bill. These questions should have been brought up in the Insurance Committee and we have a motion before us to send it back to Insurance. If you want to do that, we will put it on the Committee first thing and try to take care of these things. I don't know that that's necessary but we will hear the bill in Insurance first thing next Tuesday if that is what the body wants to do but Mr. Speaker I don't think we should debate it here on the floor and I ask the body to please, let's vote on the motion and let's move on. This is a good bill and the kinks needs to be worked out and we need to move on. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Floyd please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Mr. Speaker, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Does the gentleman [SPEAKER CHANGE] I sit back for a long debate. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Does the gentleman wish to debate the bill? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGE] And I am on Insurance Committee and I think that our chair allowed us the opportunity to vent and also to get to the pros and to the cons. Sometimes in our meetings we allow the public to take a time, that we in the committee try to be fair and I think that the bill itself from Rep Lewis got a fair hearing and I think that because of that crossover date we need to vote on this and vote it up or vote it down and not to send it back. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Avila please state our purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] To ask a question of the bill sponsor. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Representative Lewis does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGE] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGE] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I've been seeing all the shalls and everything in there, I wonder, the way your bill is written, would the weeds or the mechanics and details of how the insurance companies arrive at parity, be something that this is directing them to do [SPEAKER CHANGE] Yes, if the lady will yield to debate the motion, it sounds like we are getting into the mechanics of the bill if the bill is not getting re-referred that may be more appropriate if we go back on the bill before we take the vote and the chair anticipates that was the question Representative Stevens had? Representative Jordan, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGE] At this point I guess I would like to make a motion for a previous question [SPEAKER CHANGE] If the gentleman would be so kind there is only one other member whose light is

?? We would at least go to that member and then put the question. Representative Pittman please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] inquire the chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman may state his inquire. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I'm a little confused here. I just want to make sure I'm understanding the process correctly here. If we do not re-refer and the bill is defeated is that the end of it or would there be another chance to deal with it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Not necessarily Representative Pittman. If the motion is defeated we will put the question on the bill apparently a little other discussion or debate. If the bill fails then anyone who voted on the prevailing side which is the side that voted no could make a motion to reconsider and then the bill could at that point could re-voted or referred to the committee at that time so if the bill does fail on the floor I fully anticipate that in deference to the member that someone would make a vote to reconsider and would deal with it on the basis. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Sit. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion. If not the question for the house is the re-referral of the House Committee substitute number 2 for House Bill 609 to insurance committee. All in favor vote Aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The Clerk will allow the machine to record the vote. Twenty seven have been voted affirmative eighty-eight in the negative. The motion fails. Now we're back on the bill. Further discussion further debate on the bill. Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES]To ask the bill's sponsor a question if it's appropriate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] As I had asked before Representative Lewis when we direct insurance companies that they shall do certain things would it not be in their purview to look at how they pay for the intravenous and charge and the oral and be able to figure out within their expertise what parody would be equal to ? Particularly with the restriction that you had that they can’t go in and change things in a way that would kind of be a run around what you’re hoping to do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes Ma’am I would certainly believe they would certainly have the expertise to be able to examine the service that is provided and figure out what a comparable prescription benefit charge would be. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate? If not the question before the house is the passage of House Committee substitute number two for House Bill 609 on its second reading. All in favor vote Aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. Eighty-six having voted affirmative twenty-seven in the negative the House Committee substitute number two to House Bill 609 has passed its second reading and by prior agreement will remain on the calendar. Ladies and Gentleman of the house the chair also would , without objection, move that House Bill 628, the Promote, Protect North Carolina Lumber be re-calendared for Monday May the thirteenth. It's the understanding of the chair that there are some questions being asked that the bill's sponsor hopes to have resolved by then so it can be voted on on Monday/ without objection. Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, We're going to meet at noon tomorrow. we don’t anticipate too long of a calendar tomorrow but for the veterans who have been through crossover weeks before, get a good rest over the weekend because next week promises to be a very busy long series of days. For your planning purposes, because crossover is on Thursday we don’t anticipate having to work on Friday but we do anticipate Monday through Thursday being very busy. We’re gonna adjourn the subject reports and other matters

We won’t delay you any longer. Notices and announcements. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] An announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members of the House, we will not meet in appropriations tomorrow morning. There will be no appropriations meeting in the morning, but you can anticipate one next Tuesday morning. Just pay attention to your emails. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stone, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] An announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and gentlemen, the committee on government will meet in the morning at 10:00, room 643. We have a packed agenda so please be there. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Howard, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Make an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House finance will meet in the morning at 8:30 in room 544. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McElraft, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Environment will meet tomorrow morning in 544 at 10:00. There will only one bill but it’ll be the amends bill, House Bill 94. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Iler, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, due to the large amount of bills, we have a special meeting tomorrow for transportation fifteen minutes after session in room 643. We have ten bills to look at. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Starnes, please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Republican caucus has been canceled. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Larry Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Democratic caucus is an hour behind session tomorrow or if there’s any change to that. Please watch your email for any change in that. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pierce, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members of the Legislative Black Caucus, right after session, room 1425. Members of the Legislative Black Caucus, thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Carney, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members of the legislative county caucus will meet tomorrow morning at 7:45 in room 425. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McManus, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I be recorded as voting yes on that last vote? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McManus, and that is on House Bill 609. Rep Jones, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Health and Human Services committee will meet tomorrow in 6:43 at 9:15 am. That’s the corrected time. We’ll meet at 643 at 9:15 am. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jordan, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Judiciary Subcommittee B will meet fifteen minutes after this session, legislative office 421. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] First of all for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I just want to remind people that the rules committee will meet in room 1027 for what I hope is a short meeting so I would ask members to please be prompt and please come so we’ll have a quorum and that’s the only thing I had in motion, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further notices and announcements. Representative Moore is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Subject to the receipt of committee reports, re-referral of bills and resolutions, and messages from the Senate, I move that the House do now adjourn to reconvene on Thursday, May the 9th, 2013. Representative Moore moves, seconded by Representative Lewis. Subject to the receipt of committee reports, messages from the Senate, and re-referral bills and resolutions, that the House do not adjourn to reconvene at Thursday, May the 9th, 2013. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House stays to adjourn. Representative Moffitt is recognized ?? committee report. Corporal Reed.

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