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House | May 15, 2013 | Chamber | Session Part 1

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Representative Floyd moves to amend a bill on page 1, line 28 by amending amendment 2 on page 1, line 5 by deleting Ash, and substituting Ash Cumberland. The gentleman's recognized to debate the amendment. The house will come to order. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. speaker. This is a very simple amendment. It just simply adds Cumberland County. Fur..... Further discussion. Further debate on the amendment? If the not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment set forth by Representative Floyd for the House Committee substitute of House Bill 533. All in favor vote Aye, all opposed vote No. The clerk will open the vote. All members record now. Clerk lock machine, record the vote. 107 having voted the affirmative, 1 in the negative. The amendment passes, we're back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate? If the not the question before the house is the passage of the House Committee substitute to House Bill 533 is amended on its 3rd reading. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The House Committee substitute to House Bill 533 is amended as passed its 3rd reading. The bill being grossed and sent to the Senate. House Bill 512. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 512. A bill's been ?? change the manner of selection of certain members of the board of trustees of Central Carolina Community College. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. Representative Duane Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If I can be recorded as yes on 533 Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is out of order. The rule being folks, that we are keeping lists, and Representative Hall I do apologize for that, but there are 119 other members that may ask for the same favor. If I did it for you. Representative McManus, please state your purpose. The lady be recorded as having voted yes on 533.. ..Thank you.. ... and will be recorded as having used her vote. Representative Stone, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. The gentleman's recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the house. House bill 512, very simple bill. All we're doing is taking the 4 school board appointments for the community college and giving it to the county commissioners. It does absolutely nothing else. I've talked to the county commissioners, they're fine. I've talked to the community college president, they're neutral. They said they don't care. They'll get good appointments, regardless to where they come from, and I ask you to support the bill. Representative McManus, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just....I'm not going to fight a big fight on this, but I did have a visit from a school board member this morning. And the school board is very opposed to giving up their nominees to the community college board. This will give the commissioners a potential 2 seats on the community college board, plus 8 appointments. And the school board is opposed to that. Thank you. Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 512 on its 2nd reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members record now. Clerk lock machine, record the vote. 76 having voted affirmative and 37 in the negative. House Bill 512 has passed its second reading and without objection. Will be read a 3rd time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina in action. Further disccussion, further debate. If not, the question before the house is the passage of House Bill 512 on its 3rd reading. All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. House Bill 512 has passed its 3rd reading, will be sent to the senate. House Bill 473, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Need to substitute number 3 for House Bill 473. The bills been titled ?? North Carolina Captive Insurance Act. General Assembly of North Carolina enact. Representative Dockham, please state your purpose. Debate the bill. The gentleman's recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I just like to say we had a good vote on this yesterday. Would appreciate your support today. Thank you. Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute number 3 to House Bill 473 on its 3rd reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members please record now. Clerk lock machine, record the vote. 112 having voted affirmative, none in the negative.

House committee substitute to house bill 3. The house committee substitute 3 to house bill 473 is passed it's third reading and will be sent, will be engrossed and sent to the senate. House bill 320. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for house bill 320, a bill that's been trying to enact standards for medicaid managed care for behavioral health services under the 1915 param B/param C medicaid waiver including the establishment of grievance in failed procedures for enrollies. General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forward and amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The motion is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar moves to amend the bill on page 5, line 29 by deleting. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman was recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. The first portion of this amendment is actually just clean up language from an amendment we did yesterday. The second part of it, beginning on line 7, adds a mediation procedure to the bill. This is a procedure that is currently being done. It saves us a lot if money, time, effort, and heartache. So we just wanted to make sure that we were continuing to authorize mediation to be used in provider appeals and other appeals. I would appreciate your support for the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussions, further debate on the amendment? If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Dollar by the house committee substitute of house bill 320. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members vote now. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative the amendment passes. We're back on the bill. Representative Dollar, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Appreciate the vote yesterday and if I could answer any questions I would appreciate your support today. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussions, further debate? If not the question before the house is the passage of the house committee substitute to house bill 320 is amended on its third reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no, the clerk will open the vote. All members record now. Representative Floyd, Representative Boles. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 114 in the affirmative, none in the negative the house committee substitute to house bill 320 is amended. It's passed its third reading. The bill will be engrossed and send to the senate. House bill 710 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee substitute for house bill 710. A bill to entail and enact water utilities to adjust rates for changes in cost based on third party rates and to authorize the utilities commission to approve a rate adjustment mechanism for water and sewer authorities to recover cost for water and sewer system improvements. General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hager, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Debate speech. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We had a good unanimous vote on this yesterday and I just ask for your vote today. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the house is to pass the house committee substitute to house bill 710 on its third reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative the house committee substitute to house bill 710 is passed its third reading, will be engrossed and sent to the senate. House bill 834 the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Immediate substitute number 2 for house bill 834, a bill to ?? enhancing the efficiency and effectiveness of state government by modernizing the state system of human resources management by providing flexibility to the executive branch, reorganizing and restructuring. The general assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Briefly speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We've had good debate on this in several committees, We've had a good vote on this on the floor yesterday, I would ask you to give us a good vote again and support this bill one more time. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson moves to amend the bill on page 15, lines 12 and 13 by rewriting

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This was an issue and the governor has requested this nobody has indicated any opposition till today. I would ask you to defeat this amendment. Thank you [Speaker Changes] Further discussion further debate on the amendment. If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Rep Holloway for the house committee substitute no 2 of house bill 834. All in favor would vote Aye all oppose vote No. The clerk would open the vote. All members recorded now. Rep McNeill. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 44 having voted in the affirmative and 69 in the negative. The amendment fails. Now we are back on the bill. Further discussion further debate on the bill. Rep Hall Larry hall, Please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. To speak on the bill [Speaker Changes]The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill. [Speaker Changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker and Ladies and gentlemen I appreciate the work that has been done so far. We know that there are changes in the work place and changes in how are treating state employees and lot of work done on the bill. We had two good amendments I think would have improved the bill. Certainly would have made it so that I can support it. Without those amendments I think we have some more work that needs to be done on the bill. It will be going to the senate and in the present state I would be opposing the bill. So I would ask you to vote no give some additional effort to be put in the bill. Resolve the employee rights and also to resolve the question of cronyism that might creep in to the bill by having these 1500 appointees. So I would ask you to vote against the bill; and let us have some more time to do more work on this. [Speaker Changes] Rep Hurley Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] I would like to speak on the bill the second time [Speaker Changes] the lady is recognized to speak on the bill [Speaker Changes] I would like to send forth an amendment, amendment number [Speaker Changes] The lady is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] This is amendment number ALR -10 D2, Rep Hurley moves to amend the bill on page 15 Line 6 by deleting those lines and line 12 by deleting section 8.4 and substituting Section 8.3 [Speaker Changes] Thank you [Speaker Changes] Rep Hurley is recognized to debate the amendment [Speaker Changes] This portion of the amendment that I am putting forward is take out section 8.3 which allows them to get in and arbitrarily just change the department. This is unfair to the current employees there. We understand re structuring and re-organization, but we still feel that the state employees be given first priority in the job. In the current way its done is that if a position is changed limitedly or eliminated and that’s the way to treat an employee and they can re structure and do something back. With this is written is written that we don’t have to we don’t have to change our position. We can be with you. Keep your job exactly where it is and hire somebody else in that position. We need to very careful when we start to getting in to the right power with the employees of the state government. So I put forward this amendment. To take that piece out and go back to the original wording of what the legislators have been doing and what the current policy is. [Speaker Changes] Rep Collins Please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Speak about the amendment [Speaker Changes] The gentlemen is recognized to debate on the amendment [Speaker Changes] All this section does is trying to take out and say if the new reduction through re-organization doesn’t work we continue to re asses the same way we have the employees the same way we have it now doesn’t create any new bogus reason for doing anything like that again it would and there is no reason for this amendment and I would ask you to defeat it. [Speaker Changes] Further discussion further debate on the amendment. If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Rep Hurley for the house committee substitute number 2 for house bill 834. All in favor vote aye all oppose vote No. The clerk will open the vote. All members recorded now. Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 44 having voted in the affirmative and 70 in the negative, the amendment fails. Further discussion further debate eon the bill, Rep dollar please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Speak briefly on the bill [Speaker Changes]Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the house. This bill has been heavily.

negotiated, and I want to make sure that someone acknowledges all the work that Representative Collins has done, as well as others, but certainly Representative Collins has spearheaded this effort. He spent hours and hours and hours probably never anticipated that he'd be coming to general assembly this year and spending this much of his life in chapter 126. But he's done a yeoman's job and I think he's produced a bill. Yesterday we had well over 100 votes on this bill and I think that's testament to the hard work and the willingness to negotiate that he has put into it, and I would appreciate your support on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. if not the question before the House is the passage of the house committee substitute number 2 to house bill 834 on it's third reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 74 having voted in the affirmative, 40 in the negative. The house committee substitute number 2 for house bill 834 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the senate. House bill 345, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The substitute for house bill 345 the bill ?? time to act to increase the criminal penalty for misuse of the 9-1-1 system to provide that the police chief appointed to the 9-1-1 board shall be appointed upon the recommendation of the North Carolina association of chiefs of police to extend the date for implementation of operating standards set by the 9/11 board, and to provide for study of the 9-1-1 service by the joint legislative emergency management oversight committee. General assembly of North Carolina enact. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Faircloth, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the House. This bill concerns the 9-1-1 board which is under the chief information officer in the state government and meets the set policy and funding and so forth for the operation of the 911 system in the state. As you can well imagine by the numbers 9-1-1, this is a very, very important service because it connects virtually every emergency management, or emergency organization we have in the state together. Back about a year, year and a half ago, there began to be some folks giving me calls and had some concern about some issues about the 9-1-1 organization, the board, and asked that we have some meetings, We did have some meetings and I found that there were some divisions and concerns within the board membership. primarily I was asked by the chiefs association, the police chiefs’ association, and by the sheriffs’ association, and by the county commissioners’ group, to try to look into the operation of the board and see if there was some revisions or perhaps some changes that might be, or might help the organization. We did have some meetings, the meetings did not resolve a lot of the questions that still remain, so I am sending forth the particular bill to try to officially address those concerns and, Mr. Speaker, I’d like to send forth an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Rep. Faircloth moves to amend the bill on page lines 25 and 26 by inserting between those lines. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. What this amendment does is to assure that the sheriff, the representative on the board who is a serving sheriff, is appointed at the recommendation of the North Carolina sheriffs’ association. This tracks what's done by other membership on the board, this should not be controversial at all. It simply allows the sheriffs’ association to recommend the person who would be appointed. Also, this amendment will delete the wording “joint legislative emergency management oversight committee” from the lower part of the bill, and I'll explain more in a minute, but it replaces that with “a legislative research commission.” Now if I can go into the bill a little bit. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Faircloth, before the gentlemen continues, can the gentle

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The reception center for calls, if someone hands him a rule that says you have to always have two people in there, he can’t afford that. He doesn’t have that many people. Somebody else is telling him how to man and run his operation. We just want to take a look at that and see if there’s some way that we might help the Sheriff’s out with that as well as the Chiefs of Police. The third one is development of standards for ?? training and certification for telecommunicators. All telecommunicators should be trained and certified alike in the state of North Carolina and they should be certified by the state of North Carolina as are other types of public safety officers. Fourth is consideration for the next generation of 911 service. In other words, what’s evolving. What’s coming along. What’s going to be our charge here in the General Assembly in the next few years, with aside how much we have to spend and for what, with regards to 911 service. And finally, the 911 Fund, which involves a utilities and involves the service through these centers to provide for 911 service. We’d like to have that looked at as well, not with the intention of changing or anything, but just having so that the legislature understands what’s involved with that. This will become effective December the 1st, 2013. I’d be glad to answer any questions and I ask you to support the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 345 as amended on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members record now. The clerk will let the machine record the vote. 112 having voted in the affirmative and 2 in the negative. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 345 as amended has passed its second reading and without objection. It will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the House Committee Substitute to House Bill 345 as amended on its third reading. All in favor say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed say no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The ayes have it. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 345 as amended has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. It will be engrossed and sent to the Senate. House Bill 378. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 378. A bill to be entitled, an act to study the oversight of the Metropolitan Planning Organizations and Rural Transportation Planning Organizations in their role intransportation planning. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Floyd, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, this is a simple study bill. It’s going to study two organizations, the Metropolitan Planning Organization and the Rural Transportation Planning Organization. And Section 2 of the bill sets forth the text for this study. Section 3 indicates the reporting period back to this body, and I ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Committee Substitute to House Bill 378 on its second reading. All those in favor will vote aye. All opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Record now, please. ?? Representative Earl? Representative Earl, we think we’ve got it over here. Let’s look and see. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 115 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The House Committee Substitute for House Bill 378 has passed its second reading. It will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All those in favor will say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Those opposed, no. The ayes have it and the House Committee Substitute for House Bill 378 has passed its third reading.

and will be sent to the senate. House bill 465, the clerk will read. [speaker changes] House bill 465, a bill ?? an act to prohibit persons who are not lawfully present in the state from possessing fire arms. ?? Senator North Carolina ?? [speaker changes] Representative McNeil, please state your purpose. [speaker changes] to debate the bill [speaker changes] The representative is recognized to debate the bill. [speaker changes] Thank you Mrs. Chairman and fellow representatives. House bill 465 amends term statue 464-6 by adding a new section. I want to caution you up from this is a law enforcement bill. I was contacted by officers who experienced problems with a lack of jurisdiction when dealing with firearms violations by undocumented aliens. Under federal law 18 USC 922 possession of a firearm by undocumented aliens is illegal. It's a 10 year felony. This bill is designed to give officers an alternative to federal prosecution by giving them a state statute which makes this possession illegal. It is supported by the North Carolina Sheriff's association. Each of you should have a copy of that letter on your desk. It did pass judiciary c with a favorable report. I commend the bill to you and at this time I have a small technical amendment that I would like to send forward. [speaker changes] Representative is recognized to send forth and amendment. Clerk will read. [speaker changes} Representative Mcneil moves to amend the bill Page 1 line 9 by deleting [speaker changes] Representative is recognized to debate the amendment. [speaker changes] Basically this is just a technical amendment submitted by Representative Stam. It basically just clarifies the language, just a little bit, to determine who is a U.S. citizen or national and the definition of an undocumented alien. [speaker changes] Further discussion, further debate. Representative Baskerville do you wish to debate on the amendment? [speaker changes] The bill. [speaker changes] Further discussion, further debate. If not the question before the house is the amendment sent forward by Representative McNeil to House Bill 465. All those in favor vote Aye, those opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. Members record. Representatives Stam, Daughtry? Alright. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 113 haviong voted in the affirmative, one in the negative to the amendment sent forth by Representative Mcneil. The amendment passes we are back on the bill. Representative Baskerville for what purpose does the Representative rise? [speaker changes] to debate the bill. [speaker changes] You are recognized to debate the bill. [speaker changes] Thank you Madame Speaker. I rise in opposition to the bill and I'll explain to you a couple of the reasons why. A large majority of the undocumented folks that are here in our state do not have access to traditional banking institutions, in part because some of the moves we have made here in the legislature which disallow the only form of ID that they have from being accepted at banks, from being accepted at DMV, from being accepted in a wide variety of arenas. So these undocumented folks don't have bank accounts so they have to carry cash around. They carry cash aroundon their person they have cash stuffed in their cars, they have cash in their homes. Criminals know that ya'll. Criminals target these individuals because they know that they have cash in their homes. This is a fact. They are victims of crimes way at a much higher percentage than anyone else. So I can not understand the policy or the basis behind making the mere possession of firearms, something they can use to defend their homes, to defend their families a felony. Particularly when it is already a federal offense. Particularly when they can already be prosecuted under that federal crime. I can understand if we say that undocumented folks using that firearm in the commission of a crime, using that fire arm in the commission of a felony, but just by mere possession of the firearm I don't think we need to add another criminal offense to cover that. The constitution says the people have the right to bear arms. Now listening to a lot of these debates over the second amendment, I thought that

him. this is that of the majority here out of bounds. the right by God that was in the right that was instilled by legislative and all right there came down from judges, but that was something that you have a right to if they're not possessing the palms and committing crimes. I don't think that I'm hoping that that should be illegal. I think that's a bad public policy decision. and so, by reason of the vote. no thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] for the latest State Department become available members recognized to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thank you, Madame Speaker in all this bill presents a circumstance of catch twenty two of me being a little caught carrying NRA member. I support gun ownership and most of us in the chamber. a lot of us in the chamber for good ownership now wish they had to hope that you have good luck places me in a quandary. what do I do I recognize that undocumented aliens. not a wise idea to allow them to have guns in their intent is to commit crime, but it may otherwise all got in the law. all I working for us and needless harm because it will work for what I'm sure that the employee was know that they are undocumented, though I don't know if we could about his personal law of civil laws. they broken on multiple fronts. but in any rate, if you are working for us. they have a right to protect the early that's a human right to predict the only do you already does not want to go. the meters. want to vote yes, and did not befall the right to have the old level about no and faith. my next opponent who will say yeah he was illegal aliens. I haven't done. I have problem is that with the fact that one of the representatives W Brawley police take a purpose, I wondered if represented Baskerville with you for question everything. [SPEAKER CHANGES] asking you, you certainly become annealed fight [SPEAKER CHANGES] your representative. I noticed that you invited noted on the amend certain firearms laws one nine thirty seven, which would've expanded the places where law-abiding citizens who qualify for concealed carry could legally carry their firearms to protect themselves from criminals and today you spoken in favour of illegal aliens being able to possess firearms because they have to carry cash, and I'm assuming while they're carrying cash. they would have to be carrying a firearm to protect it. my question surgery, you propose that ilk. undocumented aliens have greater firearms rights than law-abiding citizens with concealed carry notes are representative, Ramsey, please state your purpose as represented by the request of rep to ask a value you. yes, yes, the gelding yields a represent Baskerville that was mentioned earlier, this is a federal crime. so if it's a federal crime. what is the harm of making this a stay crime sets of we are a have a federal law on the books will him he ought to him program and I can see both that are convicted under that federal statute of to be convicted of and be punished much more severely than a class spelling here know, I think this actually is taken away the discretion of the federal authorities who have way more power to really get to the bottom of this and prosecute these crimes. I think that's taken away their mom,authority and discretion clean at this. is this, here is the lowest class family that we have here on the books. most of these notes are not currently incarcerated. they will be eligible to take active active cynicism. I think that's the reason that we shouldn't do it because it is already federal crime. allow the federal prosecutors to bring all of them on live there just is today on this and not let

officials interfere with that. In my time as assistant district attorney, I loved it when I can call in the feds to help me prosecute these big time drug cases because the feds have way more things at their disposal to prosecute the crimes than assistant district attorneys, than district attorneys do. That’s why I hope that answers your question, Representative Ramsey, and I’m not – [SPEAKER CHANGES] Is the gentleman wishing to debate the bill or the answer the question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman’s recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I’m in no way… Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’m in no way suggesting, Representative Brawley, that folks born here have more constitutional rights or have less constitutional rights than people that are not born here. All I’m doing is reading the Constitution here that says people have the right to bear arms. That’s the United States Constitution. That’s the North Carolina Constitution. It says “people” have the right to bear arms. It doesn’t say “North Carolina citizens”, doesn’t say “people that are born here”, doesn’t say “people that are here legally”, doesn’t say “people that are here working legally”. It says “people”, and we have not… the United States Supreme Court has not come down with a decision that said undocumented folks don’t have a right to bear arms. That has not happened. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McNeill, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just want to point out that there is already a federal law, and I understand that it is already a ten-year crime. Also if it’s a state law, I think you would probably rather if an undocumented alien were arrested for this crime, I think you would rather that they get taken to state court than federal court, since this is a Class I felony, and if they have a clean record, they could get community punishment. I think it’s a good bill. I understand his point… [SPEAKER CHANGES] Madam Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] … but… [SPEAKER CHANGES] For what purpose does the member from… Representative Brawley wish to speak? [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask Representative McNeill a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] It’s been commented on in being a federal crime already and this being a state law; do we have more state law enforcement officers in North Carolina or more federal law enforcement officers in North Carolina? [SPEAKER CHANGES] We have a whole lot more state law enforcement officers than we do federal officers. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Luebke, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative McNeill would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McNeill, do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir, I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Representative McNeill. I have a question about in the bill lines 15 and 16 – page 1, lines 15 and 16, where it reads “Upon a determination that probable cause exists to believe that a firearm…” etcetera, etcetera. How would we determine probable cause? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sir, that’s the language that is in all the statutes dealing with the seizure of guns. It was just adopted out of the other statutes. Same language. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow-up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow-up. Does the gentleman yield for a follow-up? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] In this particular bill however, you’re asking law enforcement to have probable cause that a person who is undocumented is possessing a firearm, and I’m wondering basically how does a law enforcement officer guess or have probably cause unless it’s a… It seems to me it could be an issue of ethnic profiling; that is to say an officer looks at me and decides I don’t look like somebody who would illegally have a firearm if this were law, but other people might. So how would you deal with the issue of ethnic profiling as it plays itself out in this bill, law enforcement having probable cause to believe this is an undocumented person? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sir, I would imagine if there’s an officer out there on his beat and he stops a vehicle that has a person in it, he’s going to have to have probably cause first of all to stop that person, and I understand that that’s basically what existing law is, and if during the cause of his meeting with that person, talking with that person, asking them questions, asking him for his driver’s license, any other documentation which he has a right to ask for

I suppose if he would, at some point in that, after he had enough evidence, he would come to the conclusion of where that person was a document alien or not. At that point, if that person had a firearm in their possession, then he would, I believe, have probably cause at that point to seize the weapon. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. To speak very briefly on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member is recognized to speak very briefly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Members of the House, as I suggested in my query to Representative McNeill, I think this bill has a real danger of allowing legalizing ethnic profiling because in this particular case, the easiest way to have probable cause is to look at someone’s skin tone and I think everyone here knows what I’m talking about. I think for that reason, notwithstanding it’s already a federal law, I think this bill, using the language that we are, needs to be opposed because I think we all should oppose to ethnic profiling. Thank you, members. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Blust, please state your purpose. . [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Baskerville would yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville, do you yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Certainly. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The member yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville, is it your opinion and other opponents of this bill’s opinion that anybody in the world today, on Wednesday, who can somehow get on an airplane, come to the United States, in contravention of our laws, has a second amendment right to bear here in the United States? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well, I’m not going to speak for anyone else that’s opposed to the bill, just for myself. I will say that the United States Supreme Court took up the issue of the second amendment with the Heller case and they did not say that this right did not apply to undocumented folks. That’s what I’m saying. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pittman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you,ma’am. Just wanted to… It’s THE people. It doesn’t say the right of people in general to keep and bear arms, it says THE people, meaning specifically in the United States Constitution, the American people, the American citizens, and I would say in the North Carolina it refers specifically to North Carolina citizens. Second point I would address as to this idea of an undocumented person who has not committed a crime has a right to carry a gun. If I go into a bank and I, some of the lawyers here can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think if I go into a bank and hand a teller a note that says, empty out the drawer...Thank you Mr. Speaker….and give me all the money, I’ve already committed a crime. If I happened to be found to have a gun as well, I believe that adds to the charges, other than just trying to commit robbery. So I would say in the case that we’re talking about here, an undocumented here has already committed a crime by being here illegally and it would be the same thing, a gun just adds to the crime. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Larry Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill as amended. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you,Mr. Speaker, I’ll be brief. Had a discussion with some of my fellow legislators over here about whether or not you’ve committed a crime because you’ve committed an act that someone would think would constitute a crime without going through the judicial system. I think the distinction that this bill doesn’t refer to someone in commission of a crime, but just refers to someone in possession of a firearm who does not have current authorization. I know that the majority or greater than one half of those individuals in the United States, from foreign, who do not have current status, came here legally. The didn’t come on a plane illegally. The majority came here legally and have process pending or appeals or whatever, so I think we should be careful about lumping everyone into that category. So, again, the big distinction, this is not someone in the commission of a crime, and many instances these would be persons who came here legally and are working and participating in our economy. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is passage of House Bill 465 as amended on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members please record. Representative McGrady, Representative Glazier.

Clerk will op machine, record the vote. 83 having voted in the affirmative, 29 in the negative, House Bill 465 as amended has passed its second reading without objection. Objection. Objection having been raised, the bill remains on the calendar. The member who raised the objection. Ladies and gentleman, again, as objections are raised, if they're reading, unless it's a parliamentary maneuver, if there's a sincere effort to try and work out an amendment given that we have a few hours here today, we'd like you to try and work on amendments so that we can get the matter back on the calendar if at all possible. House Bill 714 the clerk will read. Committee substitute for House Bill 714, a bill to be entitled, An Act to Provide for the Disposition of Fire Arms by Law Enforcement Agencies, General assembly of North Carolina enacts. Representative Schaffer, before you begin the debate on the bill, the a, we need to read in a couple of committee reports. Representative Blust is recognized to send forth the committee report. The clerk will read. Representative Blust of the Judiciary Subcommittee A, House Bill 614 North Carolina Agriculture and Forestry Act, favorable as to the committee sub number two, and unfavorable as to the committee substitute on number one. Committee substitute number two calendar, committee substitute number one, unfavorable calendar. Representative Blust is recognized to send forth the committee report. the clerk will read. House Bill 663, Commodities Produced for Protection favorable as to the committee substitute number two, unfavorable as to the committee substitute number one. Committee substitute number two calendar, committee substitute number one, unfavorable calendar. Representative Dockham is recognized to send forth the committee report, the clerk will read. Representative Dockham for the Insurance Committee House Bill 636 [WC?] Insurance Cancellation favorable as to the committee substitute, unfavorable as to the [Rickum?] Bill, and [serially?] referred to commerce and job development. Committee substitute reference referral to commerce and job development is stricken, committee substitute calendar original bill unfavorable calendar. Representative Stevens is recognized to send forth committee report, the clerk will read. Representative Stevens to the Judiciary Subcommittee C, House Bill 649, Small Group Health Insurance Technical Changes. Favorable. Calendar. House Bill 901, Mechanics Lean, Lease Hold Improvements. Favorable. Calendar. House Bill 450 Continue Child Support 21 Years to College Students. Favorable as to the committee substitute, unfavorable as to the original bill. Calendar. House Bill 522, Master Meters Landlord Tenant Agreement, favorable as to the committee substitute, unfavorable as to the original bill. Calendar. House Bill 300 Cities Public Trust Rights, favorable as to the committee substitute number two, unfavorable as to the citi-, as to the committee substitute number one. Committee substitute number two, calendar. Committee substitute number one, unfavorable calendar. House Bill 204 Update Modernize Midwifery Practice Act, favorable as to the committee substitute number two, unfavorable as to the committee substitute number one, and serially referred to regulatory reform. The referral to House Bill 204 to regulatory reform is stricken. Committee substitute number two, calendar, committee substitute number one, unfavorable calendar. Representative Schaffer is recognized to debate the House Committee substitute to House Bill 714. Thank you Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman, we had a great discussion on this bill, 714 on Monday in Judiciary B, wanna briefly describe the bill and then I wanna send forth an amendment, a clarifying amendment. In short what the bill does is that, considering different abandoned firearms, whether they have been received by law enforcement as unclaimed firearms or if they've been seized through criminal activities, things like that. What it does is that it eliminates the option of being able to destroy a fully functioning and lawful firearm. What it does is that it would require a number of things, a number of options. The firearm could be transferred to law enforcement agency for official use, it can be sold at public auction to federal firearm liscenced holders. It also can be maintained by law enforcement for training or experimental purposes. It can be transferred to a museum or historical society. At this point I would like to send forth an amendment. The lady is recognized to send forth an amendment, the clerk will read. Representative Schaffer moves to amend the bill on page two lines 27 through 35 by rewriting those lines to read. The lady is recognized to debate the amendment. This is a very simple amendment and was requested by our police chiefs just to make sure that they could continue the trade-in scenario

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by saying, and demanding, who can and can't be in the group, which I think generally I agree with. And so I'm asking that we put back in the language that Representative Jones originally had in the bill and make sure that these sections are consistent with federal and state law. We just had an argument or debate on the floor where we talked about it's no harm in having a secondary bill that says you're consistent with the law and so I would ask for adoption of the amendment based on what happened in education and with the bill drafters originally created. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And I would like to oppose the amendment, and ask you to vote red, and here's why. You could add this language to every single bill that you present, to the extent allowed by state and federal law. Because, first of all, the supremacy clause, we are subject to federal law and so that adds nothing. Now, to the extent allowed by state law means that it would change the rules of construction of statutes. So when statutes are clear, there's no construction, you just explain them. But when statutes conflict or are unclear that there are different rules of construction. And so, for example the most recent statutes controls over the or former statute, the more specific controls over the more general. And there are 8 or 9 rules of construction like that. But by putting this to the extent allowed by state law, it means that other state laws would trump this. Now, the second you want, is there some other law that you want to trump it. And sometimes I'll see in, even some of my own bills, but I don't like it and I see a lot of other bills notwithstanding, but in the other section of law, you ever seen that in a bill? And that's just lazy drafting because if you wanted to trump some other statute, tell me what it is. So I don't have to look through the entire statutes of North Carolina which are twenty chapters, twenty volumes, to figure out what you're talking about. But by putting this back in it makes this statute less usable for a student group. Because that student group may say "OK, we've got this House Bill whatever it is, 730 I can't read it up there 735, and this is what it says." But if you put this amendment in then they either have to go to a lawyer or search on Google for every federal law there is to see if there's something else keeping them from doing this. So, I would suggest you defeat the amendment. Yes. It's still subject to federal law, this is not an attempt at nullification and I don't know of any federal law that this would violate. But you don't want to say it and put that in this bill anymore than you would want me sticking it on every bill you, that you, I'm not threatening to do it, believe me I'm not going to do it because it's not a good idea. But would you want me to put this as the predicate for every bill you introduce? No. Vote no. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to weigh in since I am the primary sponsor of the bill and I think the first thing I'm going to tell you is vote your conscience, but I do want to tell you that this language indeed was originally in the bill and it was in the Senate bill that passed. I think that Representative Stam makes a good point in that technically I think it is unnecessary, I mean, any bill that we pass obviously any law that we pass is should go without saying is subject to other state and federal law. I think that when the bill was drafted that the language was put in there perhaps to reinforce that, perhaps even for a couple of reasons. I will tell you that myself and some of the other bill sponsors did not vote in Committee to take the language out. It seemed to provide a little bit of comfort and reassurance to perhaps some of the members that were maybe concerned that because we were talking about a college environment where there may be students from other cultures, other nations, whatever, that may be wanting to bring in some of their own cultural laws or whatever that maybe that would reinforce it. However, with that said, to this point, I do think it is implicit that whether or not you pass this amendment, it is subject to state and federal law. So, I probably, myself, will not vote for the amendment on the floor-

your conscience. Further discussion for the debate? If not the question before the House is passage of the amendment set for by Representative Glazier for the House Committee Substitute of House Bill 735 all in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. All members record now. The Clerk will help the machine record the vote. 52 having voted in the affirmative, 62 in the negative. The amendment fails. We're back on the Bill. Representative Glazier, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To set forth a second amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forth the amendment, the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier moves to amend the bill on page 1, lines 12 through 16 by rewriting the lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier, before you begin the debate upon motion of Representative John Bell the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to constituents and friends Parks Griffin, Eddie Kidd, and Wilson Kidd. Please stand and let us welcome you. And Representative Glazier the chair apologizes but I have three more committee reports to read in very quickly. Representative Moore is recognized to send forth the committee report the Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore for ?? operations of the House, House Bill 840 division of deaf education ?? unfavorable as to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Calendar [SPEAKER CHANGES] Original bill in favorable calendar [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? bill 843 students and administration equality act, favorable is to the Committee Substitute unfavorable is to the original bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute bill calendar, original bill in favorable calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 793 HOA's fidelity bonds, favorable is to the Committee Substitute number two. Unfavorable is to the Committee Substitute number one. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute number two calendar, Committee Substitute number one unfavorable calendar. Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker ?? the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker House Bill 900 exempts CCRC from certificate of need. That bill is presently in the regular form it passed out of HHS Committee, move that that bill be removed from Committee in regular form and added to today's count. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That objection, so ordered, Representative Glazier is recognized to explain the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker; thank you, members. This second amendment relates to my biggest issue with the bill which was prior to what we just went through, which was 1A and let me explain why. If you read section 1A - and it's the same language in 2A, and I talked with Representative Jones briefly about this last night - I don't have a problem and I agree with Representative Jones that when a constituent institution recognizes a group the group ought to have access to facilities just like any other group and access to any other program the groups have, and once the other Universities pass that Rubicon they don't get to sort of pick and choose who gets a room. But I think there is a difference when it comes to funding. I think Universities have abilities and they make decisions all the time about - they get a hundred thousand dollars for student activities, this group gets student funds, this group doesn't. Often it's the student activities group that's making that. Quoting one of my favorite films, 'My Cousin Vinny,' In my yout' I was a member of a student activities fund and we voted yes or no on activities funds. By what I see - and I think Representative Jones and I had that conversation - and I don't think it was the intent of the sponsors to say just because you're recognized you must automatically get funds. But I read section 1A where it says no constituent institution that grants recognition shall deny the student organization access to funding. I think it's easy enough to make the argument - and as a lawyer we can make them on either side - I think it's easy enough to make the argument that that means you have equal access to the funding, not access or opportunity but access to it, and I don't think that's the intent here. So what this amendment does is keep the core of section 1A and says, again consistent with law, no institution can deny recognition or deny a student group that they recognize access to programs and facilities but it takes out the word funding so that there is not a specific suggestion that just because they're recognized they ought to get money. And for that reason is why the amendment exists, and let me give you two examples of why I'm concerned. Let's assume, because this includes not just religious groups but political groups, so let's assume that a political group 'The Aryan Nation Group of

Chapel Hill wants to be recognized because I think the university has a non-discriminatory obligation to recognize if they're gonna recognize one political club they gotta recognize the others, and they can't pick and choose based on whether they agree or disagree with the message. So they consistent with this bill recognize the club and they give them a room, and consistent with section two of the bill, the Aryan nation can say well the only people who can join this - the people who can't, we're not gonna let any Jews or any blacks in this club. And section 2B technically allows that in my opinion, 1B and 2B. Well, I don't think the university has to then go the next step and say you also have equal access to funding. I think the university can apply its non-discriminatory policy and say we've recognized the club, you can meet, we're not gonna censor your words but we are not gonna fund your words either, and that's what this takes out. And if you don't take it out then the Aryan nation has access to that student funding just like anything else, and that I'm not even gonna go to another example because that's my concern. I think the universities have to maintain some control over involvement and supporting their non-discriminatory policies and not funding groups that do discriminate, consistent with what we put in section 1B which is that they can discriminate in their membership. And so I would really encourage us to support this amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Farmer-Butterfield if the lady is recognized to make a request to he chair then she can make it from there. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I wanted to change my vote on house bill 465 to yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as having voted aye on house bill 465 and the lady recognized is the use of her get out of jail card. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr Speaker. And ladies and gentleman of the house I'm gonna ask you to oppose this amendment and this is why. Now representative Glazier, and I appreciate his concerns and quite honestly when this bill was debated in committee we heard a lot of rather farfetched examples of what student clubs could be recognized and I appreciate that, but he didn't go on to read the rest of that sentence. And there is dependent clause at the of that that says on the basis of the organizations exercise of its rights pursuant to subsection B of this section. So frankly what we're gonna say here is we pass this amendment is that we're still gonna discriminate against certain clubs. We're gonna say if the university likes you, if the university leadership likes you and your mission and so forth well we'll give you funding, but if we don't we won't. Now there's nothing in this bill that mandates funding to anybody, that mandates funding to any club, and there are other reasons why if the university is choosing to fun certain clubs it can continue to do so. This does not prohibit that whatsoever. What it does say is that the university cannot choose, or the community college cannot choose to provide funding to one versus funding to the other simply because they're exercising their first amendment rights. I would think quite honestly in one of them, I'm not gonna address all the... [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones please state your purpose. Oh, I'm sorry, representative Brandon please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if the gentleman will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized, or does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes sir I will yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I heard you go around about all the way in a complete circle and so my question to you is please explain to me if I had an organization, you just said they can exclude one and then exclude another, so what is the difference? Tell me why a university should have to allow an Aryan nation and tell me why that's not the case? Tell me why if you just said that they cannot exclude one if they're gonna exclude the other or they have to take both then where is the discretion at and where is the place that the Aryan nation group says, hey you can't exclude me? And where do we draw then line? I want you to please [??] that because I'm very confused. Because you went from one place all the way to a complete circle and I just want you to explain to me where is it that the example that Representative Glazier has will not happen? Because you just stated that it will happen. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Let me try to address that the best that I understand it. Representative what I:"m trying to say is that there's...

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And I’m afraid that my very good friend, the amendment sponsor, has kind of led us on this path because I believe that he has missed the last dependent clause like representative Jones said. Notice that the last line in the original bill of “A” in each section: “On the basis of the organizations exercise of its rights pursuant to subsection B of this section.” Subsection B says an organization may do exactly what representative Jones went through very quickly with you, but I’m going to go more slowly and more detailed because I’m afraid you’ve missed something. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have. [SPEAKER CHANGES] the things in “B” say, “determine that only persons professing the faith and mission of the group, and comporting themselves with, can be leaders.” It does not say membership. We’re not getting into an all-comer’s membership issue here. It says that a group can determine that only people following that mission or faith can be leaders, number one; number two, order their internal affairs by some written doctrine; and number three, resolve organization internal disputes. That is what the last clause in “A” means. Therefore, “A” says, if a university, or institution, recognize a student organizations, they cannot deny the funding, the privileges, etc., to another student organization based on the three things I just talked about. I can deny it for some other reason perhaps, but not based on those three things. Having leaders that profess the same mission and faith, ordering their internal affairs, and dealing with internal disputes. Those are the only three things that organization that keep it from being discriminated against. Does that help? [SPEAKER CHANGES] In my follow up… [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I think it does help in the terms where I think that you guys think where it’s at. What I’m saying is that there is no way that - there are a lot of support organizations that claim religious. I mean the guy that blew up the Oklahoma City bombing- he thought he was a Christian too. And he could go start a group based off of that, and get a whole bunch of people behind him and he could say this is religious and keep that. I think you’re in dicey waters. I don’t think you can explain it the way you explained it because you have it so broad. Anybody can claim religion. Everything can be religious. You have Muslims that are religious. You have Christians that are religious. You have radicals on both ends. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Agreed. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So by the language of this bill you are taking away from the university to be able to determine what their integrity should look like. And I don’t think that’s- I just have a question about that. I see what you’re saying. My question to you is: Do you feel like this can be misinterpreted? And do you think that there are other people that could be, say that they are religious groups or whatever the three reasons that you just said and not really have that intention and lock up the school with some sort of lawsuit and say, “hey, according to this law, I am religious and you have to provide me with the same things you did the other people.” [SPEAKER CHANGES] May I respond? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker to the question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has the floor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Once again, Representative Brandon, it is not the issue of saying, “our club is religious, you can’t do anything to us.” What this bill says is: If you do these three things, you determine that only people professing your faith or mission can be leaders; you have your own internal affairs organized by your own written doctrines, and you ?? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jordan, the first chair appreciates you coming forward to address this. This bill is going to be temporarily displaced for now. We’re going to move on to the next item on the calendar. We will come back after consultation with the bill’s sponsor. House bill 755, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? house bill 755. The opening title: An act to amend certain department environments and natural resources. Notice to requirements to authorize electronic notification and direct the Departments of Environment and Natural Resources to identify other notification requirements and statute or rule for which electronic notice may be adequate. General city of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, colleagues, this is a bill that would amend certain provision related to the Department of Environment and Natural Resources and their notice requirements authorize electronic notification and direct the department to identify other notification requirements for which I’ll adequate-

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twelve. nearby was a hundred and thirteen for the rail against. in March of this year. just a few weeks again. Tennessee also passed legislation addressing the issue in a similar manner of the act of ninety four yes and one nine primary reason for objecting to this type of publication is where beginning to follow Congress where exempting ourselves from laws that we asked the private sector too bey when we pass laws and taxes and regulations, we hear the private sector yell it's too expensive. our response is that your cost of doing business will members are cost of doing business in public notifications to our citizens is a cost that we should incur. it's a war built on the calendar today dealing with the same issue in the arguments of the same were setting a precedent that is not good, and policies for students. that's what our citizens, we won't gain or to exempt itself from notifications. what's next, transportation, education, commerce, are citizens that have to bookmark every website for every department in every division in government and check it every day to figure out what were up to down here. this illustrates more clearly than any other argument the direction for this legislation is to keep the current requirements with cost adjustment and expanded to reach out to those that want electronic notification not force all citizens. Jordan limited means of communication that they may not have access to, or ability to use has to support the amendment [SPEAKER CHANGES] were observed at Sam's place major purpose is great on the amendment assuming the amendment [SPEAKER CHANGES] since the amendment is that the nature of a substitute on comparing the advantages of the amendment with the original bill, and I haven't really had been reading these newspapers back here, but I've got a couple of this type apex is the probably the town that is handle electronic notice as long as her longer than others, and we say twenty or thirty thousand a year for doing it. I'm looking here at the Apex Herald or raw Thursday May the ninth. it has about one and three quarters pages of legal notices [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Speaker, herbs, and was please enter purpose point of order is record and spam mama in violation of rule well be [SPEAKER CHANGES] the gentleman I be allowed some discretion to speak, [SPEAKER CHANGES] read the paper posits in such fine threat. I can't read any more and sixty two. I cannot read the fine print in these legal ads any more. I used to about seven or eight years ago and that's it. that's one of the problems on the other hand, the Fuquay independent in a town that doesn't electronic but would like to do it, as about one and three quarters pages of legal notices the apex paper has just as much business there, competing on price publisher to publish a notice was from Raleigh, but most of it is legal. ads by lawyers and about lawsuits, and I say this to say that we were the only real argument against the underlying bill. but this bill of the other two on the calendar is we need to take tax money and subsidize the newspapers we go at part of our mission against newspapers by the hyper link that Carol has been as kind to me in my political career as any newspaper in the. I have no idea. we have no problems but we don't advertise their and they have never objected to not publishing of notices of the town. if you wish the underlying bill, you'll see that anybody who wants to get a notice from the inner will get something a lot better than a notice in the paper and what they get. if they ask for it. isn't e-mail. they don't have to go to the website they get an e-mail of the notice that they can actually read and print out instead of just hoping they say it in the Raleigh news Observer, I ask you to please the big amendment

It calls for 85% discount for that second ??. I'm sure they'll give 50% percent discount anyway. Please speak the amendment both will do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The sponsor of the amendment is incorrect ?? ?? stand. This isn't any exemptions to notice provision at all. What this is a question on how to get noticed. The amendment will eliminate all the cost savings that we have in the bill. It completely eliminates the pilot program. The department is trying to get more involvement than the notices that are put in papers. Their website is up 24 hours 7 days a week. What we're trying to do is through a pilot figure out if there is a better way to do notice. There are only 4 provisions of all the notices that ?? gives there's only 4 of them left. And we're just looking to have an appropriate pilot. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, can I ask the gentleman from Cherokee a question? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative West, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative West, you're a sponsor on this bill, are you not? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, I am. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And Representative West, do you support the ?? amendment? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, me and you have never been together on many ?? issue, but this particular issue I think you're exactly right and no, I will not support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, can I ask direct question to a gentlewoman from Guildford County, Representative Harrison? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Harrison, does the lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Harrison, you amended the original bill in the Environmental Committee to change the bill limit it from its earlier scope, did you not? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I did. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Harrison, you now support this bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady, the lady yields to a follow up. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We're not in a courtroom, Representative [SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow up, I'm sorry [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I do support the bill now, and it's very narrow in its scope [SPEAKER CHANGES] follow up [SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the lady yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Lady yield [SPEAKER CHANGES] I did [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Harrison, do you oppose the amendment offered by Representative Avila? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, I do oppose the amendment offered by Representative Avila to this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, let me finish, then, all I would ask the other members is to let the pilot go forward. We're trying to debate bills that are not before us. This is a pilot it is very narrowly crafted of diverse group of people that don't usually agree on these sorts of things. Probably it'll hurt both the reputation of all three of us by moving forward with this bill agree on this bill. And I will ask you to defeat the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Chair acknowledges the even more unlikely alliance than one earlier this week. The Representative Ramsey, please take your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ask Representative McGrady a question [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGradey, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady, how would the citizens of Buncome County and all counties throughout the state know about this bill that we're debating here in the house chamber? Was it published in the newspaper or how could they access this bill? [SPEAKER CHANGES] In my knowledge if it's not published in the newspaper, it was accessible on the web and that's how you would get a copy of the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Wilkins, please take your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? must speak [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman recognized ?? the amendmend [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know that I come from newspaper background. You know I'm going to support this amendment. I could give you all all sorts of reasons for upholding integrity in newspapers. But I'm not gonna go that route I'm just gonna emphasize one point that Representative Avila made. House Bill 755 specifically relieves ?? in this

Quote unquote pile up of posting notice in newspapers, well about this time last year my niece died and I was to be the executor of her estate. I was required to post a notice to creditors in the newspaper of highest circulation in my area, so when Representative Avila makes the point that we're in this quote unquote pileup we are treating ?? as one entity but we're treating our individual citizens as another entity now if you want to hear my next speech Mr speaker just call some of these other electronic notice bills and you'll get the pleasure of that too. Thank you very much, I do support this amendment. SPEAKER CHANGES: Representative Davis please state your purpose SPEAKER CHANGES: Speak on the amendment. SPEAKER CHANGES The gentlemen is recognized to debate the amendment. SPEAKER CHANGES Thank you Mr Speaker and members of the house I was one of the four original primary sponsors of house bill 723 which is the subject of this amendment and this amendment is not only important to the bill we have under consideration but it also impacts house bill 504 and senate bill 287 that we have not taken up yet that are on page one of the agenda. I would just like to say that this amendment does have the endorsement of the North Carolina press association and I want to do something that I will probably never do again and I'd like to read something from my local newspaper, The ?? Star news in an editorial,and it says as many people as the government excuse me, as many people as the government web site on state laws requiring public notices in the first place is to ensure that the public has easy broad access to the information pertaining to the conduct of the people's business. Local governments may like to think that notice on their website is the same as notice in a well read newspaper, it isn't the result would be less access for the public the general ?? should leave the public notice requirement in place and consider house bill 723 which would expand the reach of public notices encouraging even more people to participate in their democracy. And Mr Speaker and members of the house I think this is an excellent point,because as you know not everybody gets a newspaper. Well if you don't get a newspaper how you going to read any notices that might be in it. As everyone knows not everybody has a computer. If you don't have a computer how you going to be able to have access to anything that might be sent out that way. So at least with this amendment I see it as a good compromise to be more transparent and more encompassing for the people that live in the state, allowing those who read the newspaper to have access to the newspaper, and those who have computers can have access through the computers. And for me its a win win and ask you to please support the amendment,thank you. SPEAKER CHANGES: Members this bill is going to be displaced the chair anticipates a lengthy debate later on this evening and we will carry it on at that time house bill 755 the clerk will read, I'm sorry the clerk stands corrected house bill 816 the clerk will read and the chair does intend to allow all debate on this bill to continue as late as is necessary this evening. SPEAKER CHANGES: ??? house bill 816 the bill has been titled and act to authorize tobacco growers to assess themselves to promote the interest of tobacco growers general ?? of North Carolina enact. SPEAKER CHANGES: Representative Daughtry please state your purpose. SPEAKER CHANGES: Thank you, I want to speak on the bill. SPEAKER CHANGES: The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill. SPEAKER CHANGES: This is Representative Langdon's bill and its a bill that the tobacco growers association is an association that has been in business for many years, this bill would allow the tobacco growers who are members of that association to vote to assess themselves to take the money that they collect from the assessment to promote their product. Other commodities like sweet potatoes have done that very successfully, and if two thirds of the tobacco growers choose to vote for this assessment, then the money would be used to promote tobacco, which has been the fabric of this state both growing, processing, and manufacturing. I hope you will support the bill, I don't know of anybody whose opposed to it.

The House will be at ease. Ladies and gentleman, we have a procedural question. A good question raised by Representative Luebke that we're addressing with the Finance Chair. We're going to skip this bill and go to House Bill 918. The Clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee Substitute for House Bill 918, a bill to be entitled An Act to Alter the Reporting Schedule for Independent Expenditures and Electioneering Communications Through Providing Information in a Timely Fashion. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Lewis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman of the House. House Bill 918 provides a practical reporting schedule and timely disclosure for outside groups spending money to affect North Carolina elections. The current reporting schedule is not meaningful in that it requires disclosure of some spending only after the election has occurred. This bill satisfies the public's need for timely disclosure without placing unnecessary burdens on those trying to comply with our laws. I know this bill has been discussed earlier this week. I know that there are some folks with some concerns on this bill, so Mr. Speaker, just so everyone knows, it is my intent should the House pass this bill on its second reading, I will ask that the third be held until tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. Representative Brody, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker, to debate the bill, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to stand in opposition to the bill and Monday when we went through it I did also stand in opposition and the Speaker displaced it. What I want to first emphasis is that this bill is about reporting. It's not about voting rights, it's not about candidates. It's strictly about reporting certain reports that are looking, State Board of Elections wants to do. Basically, what I want to start out with is just say just how much time and how much money do we as a State need to spend in order to assure our citizens are getting a fair election? Going beyond that, how much money do we have to spend or others have to spend to be mandated by the State to also ensure our citizens fair elections? Currently, we spend a lot of money to do that and know I believe that we have reached a point where we have to start looking at it. I've two issues that I believe are enough to end this bill. First of all, there are four new reports to be filed and some are recurring reports, meaning you have to file the same report multiple times. Second, it creates a whole new section, Section 2, and that wasn't in existence before, which also creates a whole bunch of new reports. There's no necessity for these because these have not been a problem before and there's nothing to solve. The State Board of Elections just plain wants them. The other issue that concerns me, and I hope it concerns everyone, is on Section 1, Item No. 5, it's located on line 28, beginning on line 28 on page 1. If you remember on Monday, I had asked Representative Debra Ross a question and a couple times about what happens if somebody, an organization, a large organization decides to play a part and a role and they literally have a lot of contributors. I asked her twice and, of course, the reason why I suspect she didn't know the answer at...

And I was looking for, because even the State Board of Elections doesn't know the answer to this question. Because I called them and I asked Representative Ross twice. I had asked more than that to finally get the answer. And the answer, what they said was, that it is possible that the State Board of Elections could actually demand literally millions of people that have contributed. Now I want to go a little bit further because some may say that there may be court decisions based on that wouldn't allow that. And I don't know that. But Representative Louis was kind enough to send me information about this subject. And basically the people decide if we need these reports from these individuals or not. Is a decision by the State Board of Elections. They can literally, at one time, in one fast motion, declare that every single person that ever has given some money to support a political campaign has to be identified. And that can run into, I'd say, literally millions. Especially if you're dealing with stuff like labor unions, the NRA, and any other organization that one might want to address. So this is extremely serious. Now it's origin is from a previous language. What the problem we have it's been prewritten. Every time you rewrite something, it's subject to another interpretation. I thought the bill, well, I decided to try amend this and it just plain got too complicated. I don't know what ?? but I like to, when I go through this, I look at what I call octopus statue. Which means that you started in one spot, and before you know it, you're scattered all over the statue. And there's no real way address one issue unless you address a whole bunch. So I decided to just to just oppose the bill. I know that if we will vote against this bill we will defeat the ?? amendment that was on Monday. But I feel like that's worth, that basically in reality this is unnecessary legislation seeking an imaginary problem. What we should do before adding additional burdens is to review what we have so far and decide if what we have now is appropriate and enough. More legislation does not always make things better. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam. Please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak a second time on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I support the bill. If you look at page 2, lines 7 and 8, you'll see that the principle objection that Representative Brody has is already in the underlined law. So that his point would not be furthered by defeating the bill. Secondly, what the bill does is raise some thresholds to keep people making small contributions, independent expenditures out of the system. So I encourage you to support the bill. It was worked on by the election law committee in a very thorough way and I think it does good things. By the way, I've litigated this exact question all the way to the US Supreme court and back. And don't want to get that into that thick of it again. Thanks. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Debra Ross, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much Mr. Speaker. And I wasn't going to rise until Representative Brody mentioned my answers to him and I just wanted to let the body know that Representative Stam is 100% correct. The part that he's concerned about is something that is existing law. But the other thing that you need to know is with Representative Stam's amendment that raised the threshold for even doing the first report to a thousand dollars, there will be fewer groups that have to report under this law. So if you reject the bill, you're going to say that more groups have to report rather than fewer. So Representative Stam raised the threshold to a...

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this is one of the branches of the NRA does it independent expenditure for any political agenda here in the state of North Carolina. then, if a board of elections, desires, they could require the NRA to give them a listing of everyone that donated to that phone is that correct [SPEAKER CHANGES] let's clear up a job terminology. first, if it's an independent expenditure. yes, another other things, it can be done. call five twenty seven 's and see for an auto claim expertise. they are a lot of these groups that don't want their bow doors are disclosed. use of different kind of five twenty seven, a relic yet at the different animal all of the Germany over follow-up, I did jump menu. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I really don't know if the NRA uses five twenty seven 's are not out of it, but I do know that I have seen mailings on them just from these political amenities addressing political items and that's an independent expenditure and we are going to require with this bill. we are going to require that they give their donors list to the board of elections is that correct no if yes, their daughter list has been given the board of elections for other reasons. that's already in existing law on page two one seven eight. [SPEAKER CHANGES] this bill doesn't change the money also clear up another terminology if you ideologues 501(c)(3) 's ideological groups jerk blah. I am very good in RNA whenever they can do a limited amount of general contributions of it is not the major purpose from their general treasury. if it's not the major purpose of the organization breakup breakup with it regularly buildings this bill. this bill does not increase the weather does not change whether or not they have to provide the individual names of the double doors, because that authority in existing law. the donors recognize great about the speaker. I don't believe the existing law requires any independent expenditure organization to submit their membership lists. [SPEAKER CHANGES] thisbill is not required. at least that's what I've read and actually heard two or three different answers along that it does in the dozen. I think that were getting into an area that we don't have to get into. I think we were requiring or giving our board of elections. the authority to go on which, on since they want to. I do believe that the best thing we can do with this bill is to vote red arms and Robert probably plays that your purpose is really stamp was to present his famous John O'Neill and John O'Neill 's Berlin stamina, our community and our district are several communities get together and raise money; sales down the road, politicians, and in the use that money to advertiser campaign for or against a candidate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] under current law, but they have the file one thing Bill does is to raise the threshold previously if they soon as they raise the hundred dollars. they had to file this bill says they don't have to violent build a rice about the model number follow-up. I did it come on, something, so that's yes they do have the file under the current loan lenders simply raises the amount, but depends how much money they raise the pay raise five hundred dollars, they would have to file under the all wall would not have to file under the law and its needs. I guess no question because it depends on the facts, but it's less likely to have to file under the law. the bill, but under the Nabil resented Brody, please figure. purpose didn't be doing a second time to estimate no second time. thank you

I guess to bring us back to where I think I started was I object to Bill because it adds additional reports that I don't feel are necessary and I can point them ?? in particular. The other point about what's causing a lot of concern is the fact that the language was changed from the original language and expanded. When you change and expand language, you have the ability for somebody, whether it be a court or even the State Board of Elections, to negate the previous and adopt some new regulations. Just so you know, the State Board of Elections has the authority to require virtually anything they want by this bill from anybody they want. All they have to do is say so. Thank you. [speaker changes] Representative Blust, please state your purpose. [speaker changes] To see if Representative Lewis will yield for a question. [speaker changes] Representative Lewis, does the gentleman yield? [speaker changes] I do Mr. Speaker. [speaker changes] Representative Lewis, this bill was relatively uncontroversial in committee. Have you received any opposition or anybody with concerns. Any groups that might be covered with this -- by this bill that have objected in any way to it since this bill came into committee and to the floor? [speaker changes] Thank you for that Representative Blust. If I may answer a little more completely to what you ask. The short answer is no. I have great respect for the concerns that have been expressed on the floor here today. This is a tremendously complicated area of the law. I would point out to you Representative Blust and to anyone else interested that on page 1 starting on line 28, the wording of the bill says that the names and addresses to all entities that donated to further an independent expenditure in this state should be sent forth. There have been a couple of national groups and even state groups that have been mentioned here today. This would require no more of them than they are currently required to do. And so, I realize that it's a confusing area of the law and the law continues to change. The courts have helped us with that. They continue to change the law too but except for the very gracious and respectful opposition that has been expressed on the floor, I'm not aware that this bill is opposed. [speaker changes] Representative Avila, please state your purpose [speaker changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. To ask the bill's sponsor a question. [speaker changes] Which bill's sponsor Representative Avila? [speaker changes] Representative Lewis [speaker changes] Representative Lewis, does the gentleman yield? [speaker changes] yes, sir. [speaker changes] the gentleman yields [speaker changes] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I needed clarification of a point. On page 1 where it says on line 14, in the manner prescribed by the state board of elections, period. In the previous statute. When they're expanding and saying it shall contain all of the following. Is there anything new in there that hasn't already been prescribed or already been followed in the information that the state board of election has required? [speaker changes] Thank you for that inquiry. The short answer is: I don't know. The expanded answer would be, if none of those words were there, the state board could actually require more than what these words say they can require. So, these words actually limit and define what the state board can do. Thank you ma'am. [speaker changes] Further discussion? Further debate? Rep Murray, please state your purpose. [speaker changes] To debate the bill. [speaker changes] Gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [speaker changes] As someone who has had $100,000 dollars spent against them in an election by an independent expenditure. I would have liked to have had this type of disclosure in my election and I'd ask that you vote for it. [speaker changes] Further discussion? Further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of the house committee substitute to House Bill 918 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. Te clerk will open the vote.

all record. now, the court was worth about ninety seven Hamburg firm and sixteen in the negative. they asked me since it has been on a date has passed second reading without objection, [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mister Speaker Rosen was pleased that your purpose call the commitment I made to the gentleman from unions. I would like to ask that food reheating be held until tomorrow. ice jumped in the skin direct•replace nature, purpose, I can just figure out how it saw notified earlier that respect to all else built a six tainted by gross assessment act says it has assessment. it needs to go to finance that means is not subject to cross over. so I would emotionally be referred without objection, so ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] ladies and gentlemen we have taken up a lot of bills to those bills been ejected to insert rating will be heard tomorrow the last bill that we took up. we spent almost an hour and fifteen minutes owner of the course of his weight whereabouts at thirty one items to the counter to the chair intends to dispose of this evening based on the pace to this point, it will consume all of the calendar date we have left if there is an objection under anticipated objection to third-rate the chair would urgemembers to consider whether or not they should spend the time today or spend the time tomorrow, unless they intend to debate two times tomorrow using a different subject matter, the jurors on the list and every one of the chairs is trying to make everyone mindful of a number of bills that are subject to cross server that have to be disposed of today, but for your planning purposes at this point in time I would plan on not intending to leave the legislative building before eleven or eleven thirty tonight is in a black purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you speaker would like to withdraw my objection on your comments are well. Jonathan Blackwell, while I was already using what you said. house Bill four sixty five. invite directly did McNeil for working with me on my concerns and not we, I think, work our way of the eleven twenty. is there objection to third reading on hospital for sixty five, if not house before sixty five over three euros under North Carolina in a further discussion thread about if not a question for the house is the passage of house before sixty five on its third reading on favours that are yes Rumberger and hot however say I all closing it has appeared avid Yazoo have a house before sixty five 's best dessert reading will be sent to the suburbs and was pleased that your purpose. Mister 's editor will be engrossed. it was a memo for sixty five, a sorry Joan is recognized. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I have conferred with all my colleagues on the House floor and would like to move my objections, the third own hospital, nine eighteen and acid to be heard today was her objection to third rating on house will managing if not sparkle rain, Elizabeth North Carolina further discussion president if not a question for the house is the passage of the house may substitute House Bill nine eighteen, as amended, on its third rate of every sale. I hope is a note and I sat up as many sensitive asthma managing his minute is necessary rating, voting persons into the Senate. we have displaced organelles on the calendar that we will take up only return. actually, that represented Jones a week. we may actually try this one were working at brain house goal seven thirty five back for us. it is proper for first reading of bankruptcy had an amendment that was properly before us, although I think represented Brandon was speaking at the time of Zen brain. I read the bill of Revson and outdoor rugs or gels. please take your purpose were okay. we have we have given them, and to dispose of first so the good of the first is the residuals is done with my excitement on a minute, just refresh members memories and represented Blasier, the gentleman will be recognized. he so chooses. Ravenna tells police that your purpose. thank you, Mrs. Baker and to speak on an antigenic fragments of economics is likely just to remind the members that we are betting on the amendment, and we do oppose this amendment, for example I service seven more states the government brief

The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a reminder that this amendment adds two parts to 1A and 1B. It would put the beginning part consistent with federal and state law and the second is to take out the issue of funding but allow the rest of the bill to retain. Just in response to Representative Jordan’s comment, and I appreciate my colleague’s comment, but I don’t think it matters that last clause. Here’s why I don’t think it matters, and why I still think the amendment is critically important. Because it says in 1A, you can’t deny funding on the basis of the organizations exercise of its rights under subsection B. As I understood Representative Jordan’s argument, that was that you are limited in that subsection to dealing with only people who profess faith or mission of the group or internal affairs issues or resolving organization’s disputes, using my Aryan nation example. It may not be that they could borrow or impose the funding restriction based on whether they allow Jews or blacks in, but assume, instead, under the theory, that what the mission of the group is is to deport all blacks and Jews. We’re not basing it, then, on their race or their religion or their ethnicity or their origin or anything. We’re basing it on mission. The distinction Representative Jordan makes is a distinction without a difference because you can discriminate in multiple ways and one is just as easily through the mission as it is through the general membership. While I understand your point, I don’t think it makes any difference and that’s still the reason I believe in the amendment. That’s a short debate on it and I’d ask members to support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Avila, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry of the chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady may state her inquiry. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Apologize, it just came up on my dashboard, it was a little slow. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the Glazier amendment. If not, the question before the House is the passage of the amendment sent forth by Representative Glazier for the House committee substitute of House Bill 735. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 41 having voted in the affirmative and 73 in the negative, the amendment fails. Now we’re back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate. If no, the question before the House is the passage the House committee substitute to House Bill 735 as amended… The clerk will be at ease. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I just wanted to make sure I was properly calling it. I thought there may have been an outstanding amendment. Representative Adams, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To ask the bill’s sponsor a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, does the gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I yield. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, we had a lot of discussion on this bill in committee. I had some concerns, I still do. I just want you to clarify for me on the part of the bill line 22 where it talks about the organization resolving disputes. I guess, the question I have is how will the university or the college, how will their policy coincide with this? Would the organizations dispute a situation overrule what the university policy might be. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Adams, I would just say that I think the resolution would have to be in accordance with the law. In other words, they couldn’t agree to resolve their dispute by by having a duel or something like that, but, frankly, it would give the right and privilege to the student group, in this case, to resolve its own dispute, handle its own internal affairs rather than the university leadership doing that for them.

May I speak on the bill Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentleman of the house I don't think there's anyone here whose been a more loyal conscientious advocate for students in this general assembly or even in the community, and I've said this many times that I've had 40 years of service on a college campus. I've worked with thousands of students and I know that many things can happen on a college campus. I've had the privilege of even serving with students on disciplinary committees, and it just seems to me that the way this bill is drafted that the organization if whatever policies they have in terms of resolving disputes would really overrule the university. I have a concern about that because we're talking about young people who get involved in many kinds of things, organizations that have been scrutinized for various kinds of behaviors that have not necessarily need positive. And so I just worry about what this kind of law would do in terms of students really finalizing that process for disputes. And so it's really not clear to me, well it seems to be clear that the organization would have rights beyond the university and I just think for university campuses that this would really present a problem. I have never been opposed to students rights, as a matter of fact I have always believed that the students should have a vote on the Board of Governors and I filed the bill many times here, and even have one out there now. And so I have always believed in students having rights and I support that, but I do think that the universities and the colleges ought to have jurisdiction because other kinds of things that can happen that would really create serious problems and probably some legal problems for the universities as well. So I can't support the bill because of that and I just think there's a lot of uncertainty here as to what could happen on these campuses with these student organizations and I'm not gonna support the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate briefly the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you members and I'm going to be very brief, I just wanted to supply some additional information and I think there was a way to make this bill work but I think without the amendments it doesn't. But I just want to let you know that I contacted NCSL earlier today because Representative Jones was kind enough and we talked, and I did look at the other four states that have passed the bill. There are some states obviously that have a version pending and a couple who've rejected it, but just to be very clear the bills that were passed in Virginia, in Tennessee, in Idaho and in Arizona, the ones that I've seen and I think there's one other state that I don't have, have different language. It is not the language that we have before us and Michelle Lu [SP] who is the education specialist at NCSL made it very clear that she's not seen many states at all enact legislation similar to this one. And so the language is broader than the language in other states, and just to let you know that I will be opposing the bill for all the reasons I've argued and representative Adams argues, and I think this just avoids the university's non-discriminatory policy and now doesn't allow - and now I think is going to demand that we fund or create access to funding for organizations of every stripe and I think that's just wrong. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Dollar please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Jordan would yield to a brief question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jordan does then gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] yes sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm gonna try to ask a question that has a one word answer to it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] You're arguing with the [??]. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'll make an attempt. Is there anything in this legislation that would prevent a university from determining that an organization, that they feel is detrimental to the university or the university body, they could deny funding facilities, access to university resources based on their view that that organization was detrimental to the interest of the university? [SPEAKER CHANGES] No. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate?

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