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House | June 15, 2016 | Chamber | House Session

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[BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [SOUND] The House will come to order. Members will take their seats, visitors will retire from the Chamber The Sergeant at Arms will close the doors. Members and visitors, please silence all electronic devices. The prayer will be offered by Representative Jones. Members and visitors in the gallery will please stand and remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance Of Allegiance. Representative Jones . [BLANK_AUDIO] >> This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Let us pray. Our Father and our God, as we live our lives today and everyday May it be to your honor and glory. We pray for our State and our nation that we would be true to our national motto of In God we Trust. You have so richly blessed us and extended to us your mercies and abundance and your mercies continued to be new every morning. We'll We lift up our troops around the World and we pray for your protection. We pray for our enemies as well as our friends, that all may come to know you. For you alone can satisfy and have the answer to our every need. We lift up those in authority including this legislative Legislative body and pray for Godly wisdom. Help us to be mindful that our time on this earth is very short, in light of eternity, let us put our faith in you our creator, redeemer, Lord and friend. May your Holy name be lifted high, So that you will be glorified. As others may be praying in their own way, I offer my prayer in Christ's name. Amen. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag, of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> The gentleman from Wake, Representative Stan is recognized. >> Mr. Speaker the journal Journal for June 14th has been examined and found to be correct I move that it be approved as written. >> Representative Stan moves that the journal for June 14th be approved as written. Those in favor will say aye. >> Aye. >> Those opposed no. The ayes have it and the journal is approved as written. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Members the Chair is pleased to introduce the nurse of the day. The nurse today is from Mint Hill and it is Miriam Quinn, Miss Quinn, we welcome you to the House of Representatives. >> [APPLAUSE] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [SOUND]

Reports of standing committees. Representatives Howard and Geeter/g are recognized to send forward a report from the Committee on Banking. The Clerk will read. >> Representatives Howard and Geeter/g , Banking Committee Report, Senate Bill 600, appraise compensation, jury before Americans is favorable. The bill is countered pursuant to Rule 36B. Is there objection to adding the bill to today's calendar? >> Objection. Mr. Speaker, if you could tell me what the bill number is again and title. >> Representative Paul, the Chair acknowledges the gentleman's objection. The bill is Senate Bill is the house committee substitute for Senate Bill 600. Members, it's the Chair's intent to read these bills in and then we may revisit some of them to add them to the calendar. So it would assist members in their ability to understand if they want the bill to be considered, if they would be considerate of the decorum of the chamber and take extra conversations outside. So for Senate Bill 600, the referral was to calendar 36B. [BLANK_AUDIO] Okay. Representatives Blackwell and Brian are recognized to send forth the Committee Report from the Committee on Judiciary Number Four. Representative Blackwell by judicial committee report Senate Bill 575 NCSC regional boundary confirmation favorable. >> Calendar pursuant to rule 36B. >> House bill 1044 law enforcement under this bill, favorable Committee Substitute, unfavorable original bill. >> Committee Substitute calendared pursuant to Rule 36B, original bill unfavorable calendar. [BLANK_AUDIO] Representatives Davis and Ford, chairs to the Committee on Local Government are recognized to send forward a report. The Clerk will read. >> Representatives Davis and Ford Local Government Committee Report, Senate Bill 881, moving calendared school funding, favorable. >> Calendared pursuant to Rule 36B. >> House Bill 1088, allow election. They service retired LEOs. Table Committee Substitute on [UNKNOWN]. >> The Committee Substitute is calendared pursuant to rule 36B, the original bill is placed upon the unfavorable calendar. >> House Bill 1128, Committee [UNKNOWN] Mecklenburg County Police, favorable Committee Substitute and unfavorable original bill and re-referred to Finance. >> The Committee Substitute is re-referred to the Committee on Finance, the original bill is referred to the unfavorable calendar and Mr. Clerk, f the chair could revisit the referral on house bill 1088, the bill is removed from the calendar pursuant to rule 36 b and the bill is re-referred to pensions and retirement. Clerk may continue. >> Senate bill 753 [INAUDIBLE] favorable house committee substitute, unfavorable to original bill and re-referred to finance. >> The committee substitute will be referred to the committee on finance and the original bill placed upon the unfavorable calendar. >> Senate bill 774, [INAUDIBLE] de-annexation, favorable house committee substitute, unfavorable senate committee substitute and re-referred to finance. >> The committee substitute will be referred to the committee on finance and the original bill placed upon the unfavorable calendar. Senate bill 852, town of [INAUDIBLE] de-annexation, favorable, committee substitute, unfavorable senate committee substitute and re-referred to finance . >> The house Committee Substitute is re-referred to the committee on finance, the senate committee substitute placed upon the unfavorable calendar. >> Senate bill 330, change order on school construction politics, favorable house committee substitute, unfavorable senate committee substitute number two. >> The house committee substitute is calendar pursuant to rule 36 b, the senate committee substitute is placed upon the unfavorable calendar. [BLANK_AUDIO] Representative Louis, chair of the committee on rules, calendar and operations of the house is recognized to send forth a report, the clerk will read. >> Representative Louis, rules, calendar and operations of the house committee report, house joint resolution 1149, [INAUDIBLE] review favorable. >> Calendar pursuant to rule 36 B. >> Senate bill 382, RFI, privatization of ferry system, favorable house committee substitute, unfavorable senate committee substitute. >> The house committee substitute is calendared pursuant to rule 36B. The senate committee substitute is placed upon the unfavorable calendar. [BLANK_AUDIO] [INAUDIBLE] Members upon motion of the gentleman from Hornet, Representative Louis,

the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Miss Pate N. Brown, Miss Crater Sunhill's outstanding team and her mother Collar/g thank you for joining us today. >> [APPLAUSE] >> Members the rules chair read several bills that came in out of committee today, chair intends to add the following bills as the chair believes are non-controversial. First one Senate bill 330, the short title is change orders on school construction projects, is there objection to this Are being added to today's calendar. If not so ordered. >> There is also Senate Bill 881 Union County School Funding is objection to this Bill being added. >> Yes sir. >> Gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] objects to that one. Right we'll come back, we'll determine if the representative will add it House Bill 1088 is allowing election day service by retired law enforcement officers, is there objection to that one? Hearing none, so ordered. Senate Bill 5- >> Mr. Speaker. I believe that there was later a referral made to pensions and retirement for that bill, if I'm not mistaken. [BLANK_AUDIO] That lady is correct, Chair strikes that. Thank you. >> Senate Bill 575, which is the North Carolina-South Carolina original boundary confirmation, Chair intends to add that one is there objection? Hearing none, so ordered. [BLANK_AUDIO] And there was a bill, Senate Bill 600. >> Yes Mr. Speaker, go ahead. >> Filed an objection to that and I wanna remove my objection. >> Okay. Chair Senate Bill. Is there anyone else who wants to object to Senate Bill 600 being added to appraise compensation just before marriage? Hearing none so ordered. And in-house joint resolution 1149 confirm [INAUDIBLE] border reviews, any objection to that one? Hearing none, so ordered. And in senate bill 382, RFI, privatization of ferry system, is there objection to that bill? Hearing none, so ordered. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] There are a number of courtesies the gallery the Chair would like to make at this time. First off, on motion of the lady from Mecklenberg, Representative Earl, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery To a number of short Mecklenberg retired personnel. would you all please stand so that we could welcome you. Thank you for being with us today. >> [APPLAUSE] >> Also a motion of all members, the Chair is happy to Extend the courtesies of the gallery to a number of students who are with the 4-H programs from around the state, who are with us today. Would you all please stand. >> [APPLAUSE] >> Thanks for being with us. >> [APPLAUSE] >> And I know we have both Cleveland and County's representative, I'm not sure if there's some other counties but I know Cleveland and Duplin are represented. >> Also a mention of the lady from Davie Representative Howard, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies to members of the North Carolina Academy of Physician Assistants. Would you all please stand so that we can welcome you. Thank you for being with us today >> [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> Among that group former Representative Bryan Hollow is here, where he's in the back back there. Mark Hollow, what in the world, he was my former seat mate. >> [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> Representative Hollow was my seat mate for 2 years, you'd think of all the ones between him and Representative Rockingham over there we keep getting >> Mr. Speaker? >> What >> Mr. Speaker? >> For what purpose does, I can't tell you. He's talking to me. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Bishop Rice. >> I was gonna make an inquiry of the Chair. >> Gentlemen is recognized for the inquiry. >> At lunch, representative former representative Hollow was saying that he sat, he was seat mates with you, he was in the minority and that he'd often be called on by the chair Senator for what purpose does the Representative Hollow Rice only to look over and discover that his light was lit but he was sure that he had not done it. You wouldn't know anything about that would you Mr. Chair? >> I know nothing about that. >> [LAUGH] >> But they got revenge on me because the next year George Cleveland was my seat mate.

[LAUGH] [LAUGH] >> A version from the gentleman from Stokes Representative Paul, the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies to [INAUDIBLE] Stephen Robinson who is the fire chief for the city of King, North Carolina. Would you please stand so that we could welcome you. Thank you for being with us sir, [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> Also a motion of the gentleman from Mecklenburg Representative [INAUDIBLE]. The Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to his wife Jennifer. Where're you Jennifer? Over here to the left. Good to have you here with us today. >> [APPLAUSE] >> On my Motion of the members from Randolph Representative Hurley and McNeil the chair is happy to extend courtesies to the gallery to Chief Brian Cox who is the deputy chief, excuse me, Chief Brian Cox and then also Deputy Chief Brian Causey, would you please stand so we could welcome you, thanks for being with us today [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> Also a motion to myself and Representative Hastings, the Chair is pleased to extend the courtesies of the gallery to some folks from back home for us here with the Fire Fighters Association. Chief Kevin Gordon who is from the wake up fire department. Executive directors Tim Brad We also have from the representative of North Carolina Association of Fire Chiefs, Chief Jake Wisten from Shelby, their executive directors Benny Nickels and then also from the following departments we have fireman here from Waco, Charlotte, Shelby, Meven, Whiteville, Chalot, Leyland Fayetteville, Gil Ran for Scythe County, Stoney Point, King, Love Lady, Cool Springs, The Lincoln County, East Lincoln, Denver, Southport, Hickory, PGFD and Burgel. I wanna thank all of you for being here i'd ask members to please join us and welcome those firefighters with us today as well >> [APPLAUSE] [APPLAUSE] >> Also a motion of the gentleman from Durham Representative Hall and all other members the chair is happy to extend courtesies to the gallery of all active and retired educators from the North Carolina who are here with us today, would you all please stand Thanks for being with us >> [APPLAUSE] >> And on motion of the members from Mecklenburg delegation the chair is happy to extend courtesies to chief Fire Marshal Ted Panagaeus/g, all firefighters and The Firefighters Association, thank you all for being with us >> [APPLAUSE] >> [BLANK_AUDIO] And members House Joint Resolution 1149 which was added to today's calendar The chair is gonna remove that and counter that for tomorrow, that's the confirmation for Representative Steen I believe his family wanted to be here so we're gonna move that to tomorrow's calendar [BLANK_AUDIO] Members the chair is going to remove House Bill 499 the short title of the bill is Study, public records open The meetings will be removed from the calendar, referred to the committee on rules, calendar, and operation by way of explanation that bill is ineligible because it did not make crossover so we received word from the Senate they will not consider it therefore the bill will be removed from the calendar. Ratification of bills and resolutions, the clerk will read The chief clerk reports the following bills to be ratified for presentation to the Governor. Senate bill 160 an act of adopting a Veterans Day parade held in the county of Warsaw as the official state Veteran's Day parade. And the following resolution duly ratified, properly enrolled and prepared for presentation to the office of the Secretary of State Senate Joint Resolution 893, A joint resolution honoring the life and memory of Henson Perrymore Barnes, former president Pro-Tem of the senate [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Shadow bills will be noted. Messages from the Senate the clerk will read. Mr. speaker pursuant to your message received on May 11th 2016 at the house of representatives fails to concur with house bill 436 senate committee substitute. A bill to be entitled an act to further define the term to practice law for the purpose of protecting members of the public from serious harm is also from unauthorized practice of law. To persons who are not trained or licence attorneys. The president appoints senator Daniel as chair, senators Lee, Newton, Brayn, Randleman lead on the part of the senate to control the light committee appointment the honorable value of the end that the deficiencies arising maybe resolved. Respectively [INAUDIBLE AUDIO] principle clerk. >.

Rules calendar House bill 169 senate committee substitute number three. A bill to be entailed an act of our further regulatory relief through the assistance of North Carolina. Welcome [INAUDIBLE AUDIO] the senate committee substitute number three. >> Rules calendar and operations of the house. >> House bill 283 senate committee substitute a bill to be entitled an act to hence the criminal penalties of persons who commit. Trespass or property of re-entering after removal pursuit to a valid order of knowingly creating a false document of time requisition for concurrence into the senate committee substitute. >> Calendar >> House bill 591 senate committee substitute a bill to be entitled enact to create the task force to examine. of the more efficient operator of [INAUDIBLE] parking, preside for the more efficient operation of [INAUDIBLE] commission for concurrence in the senate committee substitute. >> Rules, calendar and operations of the house. >> Mr. clerk house bill 436 is noted next to that special message to the senate. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Floyd rise? >> For two reasons Mr. Speaker. >> Gentleman may state his purpose. >> One is a moment of personal privilege. >> Gentleman is recognized to speak to a point of personal privilege. >> I have received a lot of [INAUDIBLE] over the past week. And so I'm asking that we close the session today over the memory of the family in which the alligator pulled a two year old boy into the creek. So if we could do that Mr. speaker I'd appreciate it. The second Mr. speaker. If I could have my amendment to 1047 returned I would appreciate that also. >> The gentleman's amendment will be returned. Members house bill 303 which is the regulatory reformat of 2016. Chair is going to direct the bill be removed today's calendar and re-referred to the committee on regulatory reform. And by way of explanation the main purpose of that is there were at least I believe eight amendments that were in agreement that the bill sponsor was in agreement with and the chair felt like and I think a number of forks still liked probably the easiest way to handle that would be through a round a committee to do a PCS on that so those that will save some for time. Mr. clerk chair directs that senate bill 303 be refereed to the committee on rules as on a regulatory reform. Calendar. senate bill 363 the clerk will read, >> Senator Hudson, Irdell senate bill 363 a bill to be entitled an act providing the deploys seasonal amusement and creation facility are exempt from over time and the record keeper requirements of, North Carolina waiting, our act to operize/g citizen counters, supervise that the payments of all the portion of the council, critical infrastructure projects are using funds from private parties to repaying funds by making special assessments on benefit part profiters. You want some with client A. >> [INAUDIBLE] the gentleman from Week, Representative Stam rise rise? >> To explain the bill. >> Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Despicable members of the house, the short Carlo's wage an hour but the rules committee adopted and amendment suggested by Representative Lukie, that the amendment that dealt with minimum wage to our satisfaction.So, the actual long title is more accurate. Let me explain that part first, you're aware of the Federal Labor Standards Act of the minimum wage law, well there's an exemption for any employee employed by the establishment which is an amusement or recreational establishment, organized camp or religious or non profit educational center. North Carolina wage an hour bill applies to employees who are not covered by the Federal Act and States may but are not required to recognize or permit the application of that same federal exemption which we sorta have and sorta haven't and the purpose of this law is to conform our law to what has been the practice with regard to such activities primarily is minor league baseball. Already seasonal employees of religious or non profit education conference centers are already exempt from minimum wage, overtime and record keeping requirements. This particular one as to seasonal amusement or recreational establishments would be exempt from the overtime or record keeping requirements but are exempt from the minimum wage part and in fact there's actually an improvement with regard to minimum wage, it deletes the authority of the commissioner of labor to adopt regulations allowing it to go down to 85% of the otherwise minimum wage so that's the purpose of this bill in general, it conforms to what they've been doing anyway to specific law. The second part of the bill is an amendment to what we've had for years or decades, special assessments for benefiting property by

cities and counties. And last year we did an amendment allowing assessments to go 25 years instead of 10 years for benefited property and what this bill does is not really change the procedure for cities and counties to do this but allow them to accept financing, not just from loans, but also from private parties that willing to go ahead and build the infrastructure at their own expense. But they do wanna get reimbursed or assessments. The advantage to the future property owner, is that they are getting those assessments paid without interest. And the advantage to the cities or counties is that it's counted against their debt capacity. So the league and the county commissioners are very supportive of this as our people who are wiling and able to put up large amounts of money for infrastructure. So I recommend it to you, and ask you to vote for it. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Rudford/g, Representative Hagar rise? > To debate the bill. >> Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr Speaker, and Representative Stam talked about this and I've told them time to time again I don't like what the can of worms we've opened up with this bill. If you look at page three and I think it's line 49 it allows the cities to get assessment funds from private parties. And I'm sure Representative Stam will correct me if I'm wrong on this but the way I understand the reason this was done is so developers in particular one developer can develop a track of land and he can actually not put in the price of the lots the external infrastructure that it takes to run a water line about 18 miles, I don't know the exact number, that then now can be accessed by the future land owners or the present land owners whoever benefits from it really degrade the lot price that the developer has to charge and sell more lots and then allow the force of government to pay for that infrastructure that only the development needed. I think this is a bad bill, I think it puts local governments, cities and counties in the middle of developing property where POA should be, or where the developers should do or not develop property, I paid for that turn lane, I paid for that water infrastructure, I paid for whatever it needed to do to get the development there to where I can sell the lots. I just think this allows cities and counties to get into the development business on the basis they shouldn't be in, it's an instrument to allow what would be a bad project business case look better. And I'm voting no on this bill. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Lee Representative Ridge rise? >> To debate the bill >> Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr Speaker. And what I'd say is that, this is the same bill for those who've been on finance and had some chance to have some discussions about it. That we've sent through finance, we had a good discussion, good vote in finance. I think a lot of work has been done to try to conform the bill, just as Representative Sam said, to some of the concerns that initially rose about it. But as to the assessment piece I would remind members that this is an addition to the financing options that are allowed to a county or city already. As of this would allow for an additional fund and there are actually benefits to cities or counties that if they go through there that aren't necessarily beneficial to the developer. The developer has no right whatsoever on his or her own to attempt to asses anything against the hormone resistance, something that would have to be done through the normal procedures that are allowed under our present assessment statutes through the cities or counties that is making the assessment, so this won't allow a developer to go through major development and then personally come after the landowners or attach anything. It still has to go through all the same procedures in our regional assessment statute, the primary difference is you're allowed at this point in time to get different funding. They might be able to do and again that sometimes help cities accountants especially with their bond rating and things of that sort. When they're trying to get a development, they want the project to happen and they may have problems trying to put in that same infrastructure. And so I would ask you to accelerate a good vote on this. Thank you. >> For what purpose Does the gentleman from Wake Representative Stan rise? >> Speak a second time. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill a second time. >> Mr. Speaker and members of the house, this is of course a statewide bill and not limited to any particular project which is why of course the league and the county commissioners support it statewide Representative Hager says it degrades the lot price. What it does is separate the lot price into two chunks that are

financed in different ways but the overall cost to the future owner of that lot is slightly less because on the part that is financing infrastructure there is They are not paying interest, on page four there's a phrase that I'm gonna read to you that I think is important and robust the idea that local government will be paying more for this. The board of commissioners shall not be obligated to reimburse a private party any amount In excess of access revenues actually collected less the counties related to administrative cost, in other words if the money comes in the private party gets it but the city or the county as the case may be is not liable for any that does not come in. >> Mr. speaker for what Purpose does the gentleman from Guilford representative [INAUDIBLE] rise. >> See if representative Stan will yield for a question. >> Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from Guilford. >> I do. >> He yields. >> Representative Stan this is the Senate bill so maybe you don't know but I wonder if you could shed any light on why the waging hour provision is put in the same With this local government assessments that is too suddenly, totally separate subject, why are this in the same bill? >> As senator [INAUDIBLE] was carrying both bills. >> What purpose does the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] representative [INAUDIBLE] rise. >> A question For representative Stan. >> Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE]. >> I do. >> He yields. >> Has the LGC be consulted on this component of the bill? >> Thank you. >> Can I finish my question. >> I'm sorry. >> Thank you representative Stan. If they are being consulted because they've had some concerns with Financial health of a lot of our cities and municipalities and county entities because that list has been growing in the past few years. I'm finished with my question now. Their respond. >> The gentleman has the floor to answer the question. >> Yes we had extensive discussions with the treasury [INAUDIBLE] office, the local government commission, they ban people and they had issues, we solved them all, they do not oppose the bill. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] representative [INAUDIBLE] rise. >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Ladies and gentlemen let me Before I get into my comments, let me say, I believe this bill has good intentions especially in regard to the special assessment piece to this bill. Representative Stam has been gracious with his time to answer my questions and I've wrestled through this in order to be comfortable with supporting this bill but I have to be honest for you as well as my constituency that I'm not in the point where I am comfortable with actually supporting this bill and I'm gonna be voting no and I think it's imperative for me to be sharing why. There's a lot of different tools that currently exist when it comes to development infrastructure, now that you have a current aspects that you can do by way of local governments but you also also have developers agreements [INAUDIBLE] in order to have call sharing in terms of what are civil infrastructure, things of that nature, those tools are already out there and those that actually exist. What [INAUDIBLE] is with this bill is what has good intentions, it actually allows a piece of property, anybody state wide whoever may go through development process, when they do their due diligence, when they do their feasibility and they realize to get water, to get sewer, to get infrastructure to the project that it's unfeasible because the actual a lot price is outside the market therefore the property doesn't get developed. This tool will now allow properties that normally don't get developed because they will be outside At the market price. That should go forth, and I should be able to charge those higher price items and only won't get developed on the back end by way of the assessment. Which seems very good, seems very noble, but my fear is that this actually calls a relationship to even prosper and vestry even more between between developers and the local government, I'm afraid that we're gonna avoid network that would establish because of developers that would not actually go through this process, would actually have a market disadvantage from those who would. I think it disrupt the market again representative Stam has been gracious for this time, I definitely believe this has good intentions, I don't believe anybody has any ill will towards this, I understand it has a sunset on it, but as you guys know a lot of the provisions that we've all fall up here it's actually to get rid of or have sunsets and we have been begging for moonlights for a long time. Sunsets often don't happen. I respect the bill sponsor, the respect the intentions, but I'd ask you to vote no on this This bill, I think it sets a bad precedent. I think we have to look at this in a different fraction. >> Further discussion,

further debate? If not, the question before the house is passage of senate bill 363 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. Clerk will open the vote. >> [NOISE] [BLANK_AUDIO]. Representative Shepard is the gentleman who wish to report on this vote. The call for a walk in machine to record the votes. 82 having vetting in the affirmative Affirmative, 34 in the negative. Senate bill 363 pass the second reading and will without objection, strike that bill as roll call remains in the calendar. House bill 451 the clerk will read. Representative [INAUDIBLE] house bill 451 of the [INAUDIBLE] research commission to examine race, and prevent suicide among minors, veterans and emergency respondents in North Carolina, General Assembly of North Carolina next. >> The lady from Mecklenburg, Representative Curtingham is recognized to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker. First I'd like to thank my colleagues on both sides of the isle for supporting this piece of legislation when I first introduced it in this chamber, I thank you. I also want to acknowledge representative [INAUDIBLE], representative [INAUDIBLE] and representative [INAUDIBLE] for their commitment to work with me on this vital piece of legislation. I'm certain that numerous we have organisations across the state who supported the legislation are also grateful to see this legislation move forward to deal with the continued rise in suicide deaths in the state on North Carolina, please allow me to also acknowledge that North Carolina association of fire fighters who reached out to me to to be included in this piece of legislation therefore we edit first respondence to be inclusive of all first respondents in the legislation. Suicide is the bad leading course of death for youth between the age of 10 and 24 years of age, suicide attempts not only affect the individual who attempts suicide but also affects six additional assembly members, and suicide attempt is clearly an indication that something is wrong in a person's life no matter the race or age of the person, how rich or poor they are, no matter what their race or age it is true that most people who die, that suicide have a mental or emotional disorder, the most common underline disorder is to depression, often undiagnosed, untreated and under treated Eight out of ten people consider suicide give some sign of bear intentions, people who talk who talk about suicide threaten suicide or calling suicide crisis center of 30 times were likely in the average to kill themselves. Thee are 1100 lives lost to suicide in North Carolina alone each year, currently North Carolina requires at least one employee within the local school administrative unit to be trained in the uniqueness of children who have immediate family members in the military, including training on suicide risk. This bill is a starting point for advancing in a strategic way to improve the quality of life for those contemplating suicide. We must act to or save as many lives as possible. Thank you for listening and being receptive on such a difficult topic, I ask for your continued support, thank you. >> The question before the house is the passage of house bill 451 on its second reading, those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO]. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. House bill 451 passes its second reading and will without objection be read a third time. >> General Assembly of North Carolina next. >> Further discussion, further debate, if not, the question before the house is the passage of house bill 451 on its third reading, those in favor will say aye? >> Aye. >> Those opposed no? The ayes have it, house bill 451 passes its third reading and will be sent to the senate, House bill 976 the clerk will read. >> Representative Horn, Davis, Hurley and Dollar. House bill of 976 a bill to be entitled enact to enhance oversight of the state service contract as recommended by the joint legislative program evaluation oversight committee. General assembly North Carolina enacts. Further discussion or further debate,if not the question before the house is the passage of House bill 976 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote Aye, those opposed will vote No. The clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote.

114 having voted in the affirmative three in the negative house bill 976 passes it's second reading and will without objection? >> Objection. >>And objected to and the bill remains on the calendar. House bill 1003 the clerk will read. >> Representative Dixon house bill 1003 a bill to be entitled an action to rate the department of transportation to study the physical impact of those EPA reform exact amended by the environmental review commission. General Assembly North Carolina enacts. >> What purpose does the gentleman from Duplin Representative Dixon rise? >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr. speaker, members of the house. This is a simply directs the department of transportation to tell us how/where we did on the SIPA legislation that will pay us. Gives him the opportunity to tell us the good, the bad and if any ugly for going forward. It's just a report on how the legislation has been and acted into benefits to it. Thank you. >> Further discussion further debate. If not, the question for the house is the passage of house 1003 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] Representative Alp on the floor. Representative Charles Gram on the floor. General might record, the clerk will record the machine and record the vote. 102 having voted in the affirmative, 14 in the negative, house bill 1003 passes it's second reading, and will without objection. Be ready the third time. >> Johnson Macleni X. >> Further discussion further debate, for what purpose does the gentleman from Durham rise? >> To see if Representative Dixon would yield for a question. >> Does the gentleman from Duplin yield to the gentleman from Durham? >> Yes sir. >> He yields. >> Thank you representative Dixon. You indicated in your remarks on second reading that the purpose of the study was to see the benefits of the elimination of the state environmental policy act. And I wounder whether it wouldn't be better to try and ensure that the study looks at the harm that might be caused that we eliminated the state environmental policy act. In other words have the study be opened to both pro and con of having gotten rid of sifa. >> Actually representative I think that is the case, I think basically the description that I gave is my understanding that we're asking them to tell us how we did. >> Follow up? >> Does gentleman yield for an additional question. >> Yes sir. >> He yields. >> So you're saying you feel like it's gonna be how we did and we're also going to be open to the negative aspects of getting rid of environmental protection policy. >> Yes sir I do. >> Thank you. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Guston Representative Tobett rise? >> To speak on the bill Mr. Speaker. >> Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen, you may remember the start of this last year which past pretty much overwhelmingly, is that what we hope to discern in virtually every part of state government but this specific to seeper is are we doing duplicative work that is already being done if so how much is it costing, why is it costing, is it working, is it not working, those types of things, and the nature of this is to go back not only look forward but also look backward and look and see if the changes we did make did we make the right change. So never would I attempt or hope and I'll think it may also in here to be half only on sided report of that actually wont be an honest report. But thank you for the question. Further discussion further debate. If not the question before the house is the passage of house bill 1003 on it third reading. Those in favor will say Aye >> Aye >> Those oppose No. The aye's appear to have it. The ayes do have it, house do have it house bill 103 passes its third reading and will be sent to the senate. Members of the chair believes there is understanding that their are some amends being filled at 1047. The chair is gonna move around the calendar to try to dispose some of the bills. The chair believes are not controversial or will have no debate but, chair always as great stand and be corrected at any time. House bill 1146 the clerk will read. >> Committee on rules calendar and operates of the house bill 1146 a bill to be entitled enact to modify terms of appointment of various [INAUDIBLE] General Assembly North Carolina enacts. >> Further discussion further debate if not the question before the house is the passage of house bill 1146 on it's second reading. Those in favor will vote Aye those oppose will vote No the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] Do representatives Brawley representative West wish to record on this vote?

Representative West gentleman wish to record on the vote? >> To be recorded as Will hit that green button it will take care of that for you >> [LAUGH] >> The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative 1 in the negative. House bill 1146 passes it's second reading. And will without objection be read a third time. >> General assembly North Carolina enacts. Further discussion further debate if not the question before the house is the passage of house 1146 on it's third reading, those in favor will say Aye. Those oppose No. The Aye's have it. House bill 1146 passes it's third reading bill will be sent to the senate. Senate bill 748 clerk will read. [BLANK_AUDIO] Senators Barefoot, Erica and Hise. Senate bill 748 [INAUDIBLE] change the reporting date of the Blue River Commission to study the building and infrastructure. Needs for the state to the recommended the Blue River Commission to study the building and infrastructure [INAUDIBLE] for the state General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Union Representative Arp rise? >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> This is a real simple bill, all it does is change the date to the end of the year to coincide and allow our committee to finish the work and report to the next long session. I ask for your support. >> Further discussion, further debate, if not the question for the house is the passage of Senate bill 748 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The Clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] The Clark will lock the machine and record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, Senate bill 748 passes its second reading and will without abjection be read a third time. >> General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> Further discussion debate, if not the question for the house is the passage of Senate bill 748 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye. >> Aye. >> Those opposed no. The eyes have it. Senate bill 748 passes its third reading, the bill is ordered sent to the governor and enrolled. House bill, strike that, Senate bill 536 the Clerk will read. [BLANK_AUDIO] Senator Barefoot Senate bill 536, a bill to [INAUDIBLE] complete data to students. Post secondary student completion graduations and earning out comes from North Carolina's post secondary institution into [INAUDIBLE] the coordinated. And sort of centralized residence [INAUDIBLE]determination process General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Iredell Representative Fraley rise? >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> The bill before you is essentially in two parts. Section one is entitled Students know before you go. I directs in North Carolina state education assistant authority to provide students and parents with website information and assistance to help them in making selections on college majors and careers. The information would provide data such as projected employment needs by labor categories, projected salary ranges and the institutions around the state with majors that fit this categories. It also requires the NCSCAA to provide data on higher education in North Carolina to include such things as completion rates, numbers of students receiving financial aid, student loan debt by major percentage of graduates employed or attending graduate school within six months of graduation. Section two of the bill establishes a coordinated and centralized process for residency determination for tuition purposes that the University of North Carolina system, North Carolina community colleges. And for those applying for state funded financial aid that private pro secondary education institutions in the state. Previously there was a possibility that each individual institution had their own definitions of resident and nonresident. This portion of the bill wrote was required by 2015 appropriations act in it to be an effect for enrollment beginning December 31st of this year. The program was developed jointly by NCSEAA, UNC, the North Carolina Community Colleges and North Carolina Independent Colleges and Universities and all are in agreement with the program.

The program will also be administered by all of this box. I recommend the bill to you and ask for your support. Thank you. >> What purpose does the Gentleman from Buck Representative Blackwell rise? >> Send forth an amendment. >> Gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. >> Representative Blackwell moves to amend the bill on page one line thirty two by rewriting the line to read. >> Gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker I understand this to be a friendly amendment and the fore manager for the bill I think has no objection to it. And senator Barefoot has indicated to my office that he has no objection, it simply adds a definition with respect to section one of the bill to clarify what a private institution of higher Ed is and to make clear that community colleges are under the jurisdiction of our state board of community colleges are included within the institutions referred to in section one as they are section two. I appreciate your support. >> Further discussion on the amendment? If not the question before the house is the adoption of amendment A1 sent forth by representative Blackwell. Those in favor will vote Aye those oppose will vote no the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 117 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the amendment is adopted. For what purpose does the gentleman from Pitt Representative Murphy rise? >> To speak in support of the bill. >> The Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Two sections of the bill the second which really codifies what constitutes in state tuition I think this is actually having recently gone through this with children of my own etc. It's very confusing because this institution was able to clarify this for themselves. I think this gives some uniformity so that our kids know Others are gonna be in state private state and it's not so much questioning as to what there status would be. The second point there are several different bullet points that are asking the institutions to give. I think this is excellent and I think students and parents are going to be consumers and they should have And have all this information. I've spoken with senator Barefoot I had a little issue with some of the six months issue because having gone through this recently with my institution and trying to get data. We're gonna try to push that out as an amendment possibly next year to help clarify things. Cuz that will probably at two years and five years really means more than six months. So I just wanna say in full support of the bill and I hope you [INAUDIBLE] [INAUDIBLE] >> What purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland representative Richardson rise. >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Mr speaker members of the house. I feel we're going down a slippery slope here. Years ago we formed the Board of Community Colleges, we formed the Board of Governors We form this institutions so that the legislature will not act as a super university or a super community college and that we let the people that know education actually educate. And let the people for the legislature set the policy for those folks who do so, to help them do so I think this is a very dangerous precedent we are setting here. And I think conservative politics, one that we should let the people that know what they are doing do it and we stay out of it. I intend to vote against this bill. [BLANK_AUDIO] Further discussion, further debate. If not the question of the house is the passage of senate bills 536 on second reading. Those in favor will vote aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Representative Richardson. Does the lady wish to record on this vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 101 having voted in the affirmative, and 16 in the negative, senate bill 536 passes its second reading and will without any objection be read a third time. >> General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham Representative Hall rise? >> To speak on the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> thank you Mr. Speaker And I probably I should have done a little bit more homework on this bill before it got to the floor so to the bill sponsors or the floor manager, my apologies on that for not having this

addressed earlier to the members. Probably the committee work but I'm really Concerned about the tenure of the bill because it makes it almost voluntary as to who provides the information and whether or not the evaluation of this is gonna be put out there so people will think is a fair and accurate evaluation and compare other schools. It really makes the bill voluntary. The bill Makes it voluntary. The information that is used in evaluation and voluntary for the schools that provide it, and so I'm not sure that we actually get a clear picture of people were using it as a barometer of the success of the school or the quality of the education so I'm really concerned about whether or not it does what It purports to do or it will just create a false sense of security and possibly give some schools a bad reputation when in fact that's not the case. >> Further discussion, further debate, if not the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 536 on its third reading. Those in favor will Favor will say I. >> I >> Those opposed no. >> No. >> In the opinion of the chair the I's have it, the I's do have it. Senate bill 536 passes its third reading. The bill is ordered enrolled and sent to the governor. Mr Clerk the chair directs that senate bill 600 be removed from today's calendar. We refer to the committee on Rules, calendar and operations of the house. Senate bill 330, the clerk will read. >> Senators McInnis and Tillman, senate bill 330 a bill to be entitled an act to amend the law regarding changes part of the school construction projects, general assembly of North Carolina next. Enhance to senate bill 536 chair directs that it be sent to the senate for concurrence of the house committee substitute and [INAUDIBLE] >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Union Representative [UNKNOWN] rise? >> To be accorded as voting I on house bill 1003 and to debate the next motion. >> Gentleman be recorded as having voted I on house bill 1003 is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Chair directs that the gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Ladies and gentleman this is a bill that regards the change orders on school construction projects. This is a great idea from Senator McGinness and what we did was work with the The various stakeholders to make sure that this bill can go state wide. What it does is create a transparent process by which the actual school board members are involved in approving change orders on school construction and allows them to set policies regarding who can have authority to approve Approve in what levels and so it really simplifies it, makes it transparent and helps the public understand that the school board has a responsibility for this change orders and I ask for your support. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham representative Hall rise. >> Question for the bill sponsor Mr. chair. >>Does the gentleman from Union yield to the gentleman from I do. >> He yield. >> Thank you Mr. speaker, representative [INAUDIBLE] my question or inquiry goes to what procedure this would put in place regarding the school board approving those chain orders It seems and correct me if I'm wrong, it seems that this is, that the school board will not ultimately control that and my question is have you heard from the School Boards Association or other folks as to what this impact would have and are they in agreement with. >> I did hear a back what this is, this is the improved improvement of what it is, it does let the school boards decide what it requires that they have to have a policy on what change orders are and what their policies regarding approval or change orders will be, it requires them to give authority explicitly in what level or dollar amount will A superintendent or an assistant superintendent or superintendent designee have. They can set that regarding their own experiencing construction in their own needs but it does require them to have a policy regarding how they will handle change orders. And this is based on the Talk to the school folks today and they support this. >> Mr speaker now the question for the bill sponsor. >> Does the gentleman yield to an additional question? >> I do. >> He yields. >> And representative [INAUDIBLE] based on this is the school board required to advocate their authority to control This as a full board or do they have this as an option, they can either make policy this is, I have three or four other people or a smaller group to make the decision or are they required to advocate that authority. > No, representative Hall this is the exact opposite of what you're

trying what we're doing is the school board has ultimate authority and what they are saying is that they actually have to have a policy regarding how they do the change orders. What has happened is larger school districts have a lot of school construction, have well developed and defined policies regarding changed orders. Other school districts that don't do that much they don't have so much. This arose out of a situation where some change orders got approved, the board didn't know about it and what this does is require all school boards to have a policy but it doesn't have one side, it's all everyone can develop to their own needs on that. >> Mr speaker if I have one more question for Representative Burr >> Gentleman here wants an additional question. >> Yes, I do and Representative Burr I know him and out-fully getting to this point but my question is under this can the school board when they write this policy retain the full authority to approve those change orders by the school board itself, in other words they are not required to give it to anyone else, they can keep it fully under that policy for them to vote as a full school board. >> That is exactly right Representative Hall, they could choose in their policy that they are to develop under this law, there's no authority to approve change orders could be given to or delegated to other people and that's perfectly within their round. Most school boards just find it beneficial to delegate some level of authority for expediency and things of that nature. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Richmond Representative Goodman rise? >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >>Thank you Mr Speaker, Senator [INAUDIBLE] the same school board when this came out this came out in our county that these taken on projects and they continue to get change order, after change order, school board never saw in a $70,000 project, ended up been in turn $50,000 project, which was not approved by the board. And that's the reason for it, and is a very good bill, and I ask your support. >> For what purpose does the lady from Orange, Representative- Okay. Further discussion further debate. If not, the question for the house is the passage of senate bill 330 on its second reading. Those in favor vote aye, those that oppose to vote No. The clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] Representative Davis, does the gentleman wish to record on this vote? The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative and one in the negative.Senate bill 330 passes it's second reading and will without objection be read a third time. >> General assembly North Carolina enacts. >> Further discussion further debate if not the question before the house is the passage of Senate bill 330 on its third reading. Those in favor will say Aye, >> Aye those oppose no. The Aye's have it. Senate bill 330 passes its third reading and will be sent to the senate. Senate bill 575 the clerk will read. >> Senator Tucker senate bill 575 a bill to be entitled an act to make legislative changes to facilitate the work of the boundary commission and re-establishing the original boundaries exist in between the states of North Carolina and South Carolina. General assembly North Carolina enacts. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from New Hanover representative Davis rise? >> To speak on the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker and thank you for allowing this bill to be heard on the floor today. Ladies and gentlemen of the house I was previously appointed by the governor to the North Carolina, South Carolina boundary dispute committee as was Sen Tucker. And what this was all about is that as you know, back in the old days when things used to be surveyed you might use a rock, you might use a river, you might use a stream, you might use a tree, you'd look up in the heavens and see where the stars were and you might go in that direction where any particular star be. My point being that over the years, those rocks get covered up, those rocks get moved, trees get destroyed, rivers get bigger, get smaller [INAUDIBLE], my point being is that when those states started looking into it here were people who actually live in North Carolina that thought they were in South Carolina, and there were

people who live against South Carolina and vice versa. So what the two governments did, is that they agreed on a joint boundary commission to relocate and establish that 344 mile common boundary between North and South Carolina, the commission begins work in 1995 and they completed the technical part in May of 2013, meaning they established where the boundary line should b and for once government did a very wise thing and before they implemented that new boundary line they actually test this committee with looking at all the people who will be affected by that and see if you could remedy or rectify as much as possible the impacts that it might have. For instance there were 54 homes and buildings that the boundary went through, there were several homes that were in South Carolina that are now in North Carolina. There were more homes in North Carolina that are now in South Carolina so during this process the commission sent letters to 173 potentially impacted land owners and ask for comments and as a result of those comments great effort were made to try to mediate as much as possible. The impacts that this would course. What happened procedurely was that senator Tucker and I introduced companion bills and they were sent to our respective rules committee while certain things were changed about the proposed legislation. South Carolina was gonna wait until North Carolina did our bill first, so Senator Tucker did more of [INAUDIBLE] job than I did quite frankly as a follow up to out initial meetings. So he prepared the PCS based on those changes and clarifications that were done and the PCS went through the Senate passed has come over here it is a receive favor reports and rules committee, finance committee and judiciary four committee this morning South Carolina based on the legislation that Senator Tucker did in his PCS prepared their legislation is passed their Their center has been signed by the governor and quite frankly they're waiting on us. So I would ask you to please report this, it would consistent with what South Carolina has done. And'll able both states finalize the process. Mr Speaker I stand ready to answer any questions is your discretion. [BLANK_AUDIO] What purpose does the gentleman from Rowin/g Representative Ford arise? >> To debate the bill. >> The gentleman has it floor to debate the bill. >> These geodetical surveys have been done all across the state and many counties have changed their boundaries. But so far all the county commissioners have come together and decided to leave it alone. And the reason is what's happening compares Rowan and other counties is just that little bit and it puts somebody in a different school system, it changes their address, it changes their taxes, it just reeks havoc with just a few people county to county so you can Can imagine what this is going to do changing a state boundary. I just ask that you consider this, I understand it, I understand what's happened what's going on, but it's going to wreak havoc with a lot of people, a lot of businesses, school systems. This folks who've lived somewhere for 40 or 50 years, boom overnight they've got a new address New tax code, new tax systems, new county, the whole nine yards that's why I'm voting against it, we just need to leave it alone like most of the counties and North Carolina already have. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> What purpose does the gentleman from Cabarrus Representative Pittman rise? >> To speak on the bill The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Mr. Speaker I have to agree with my colleague Representative Ford, I understand that a lot of work is going into trying to fix this thing and it's been of concern to a lot of people for a long time, but further point to me this been/g a long time and I'm never seeing a way Lady in TV not long ago who's gonna be affected by this if we do it. Whose husband will loose the medical care that he currently has, that he has to have, because the people supplying his care are not licensed in North Carolina, they're only licensed in South Carolina. So that's a hardship for them. I feel we could have settled this a lot more simply, I know some people who will object to this also, you can't please everybody. I think as long as it has been as it is, and people are used to being in one state or the other, and all the things that representative Ford was talking about

Been a whole lot easier if we redo the charters of the two states to fit the lines as we've been following them all these years. And I know that ain't easy either, but I think it'll be a whole lot more simple than what we are doing. So I'm gonna have to vote against this too, thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> For what purpose does the gentleman from From Mecklenburg Representative Jitter rise? >> To ask the bill sponsor a question. >> Does the gentleman from New Hanover yield to the gentleman from Mecklenburg? >> Certainly. >> Will South Carolina gain more or less land in this transaction? >> The bottom line is, is we're not changing anything in reality. We are simply putting the boundary line Where it's supposed to be. So it really is irrelevant whether South Carolina gets more or North Carolina gets more, because we're simply putting the boundary line where it was supposed to be. >> Thank you Mr Speaker. >> For what purpose does the lady from Wake representative Abeler/g arise. >> To ask a question of bill sponsor. >> Does the gentleman from New Hanover yield to the lady from the Wake? >> Certainly. >>He yields. >> Thank you Mr Speaker. Representative Davis, could you explain to me why? I mean I understand that there is a line that nobody can visually see and when somebody bought a piece of property, they didn't go back figure that when they measured it, it was in South Carolina and it should have been in North Carolina. I guess my question is, I know when they surveyed my land, I knew exactly how far it went and things of that nature so where did we loose that? >> Once again it got lost, for lack of a better term slipped through the cracks once again, because of the fact that these boundaries, identifications that I alluded to you earlier were destroyed and gone. And over the years, certain counties in North Carolina thought they were actually in North Carolina. but they weren't. Just like South Carolina thought they were South Carolina but they weren't. So when the two states got to look into it and used all these modern technology, what they did is they established about the state line, boundary line which should have been in the first place. And that's what resulted in these things. >> I guess my question is, was it necessary? >> May I respond Mr. Speaker? >> The gentleman has the floor. >> In the opinion of the governor of the state of South Carolina, yes it was. Because once again you have people living in the wrong areas. May I expound on that Mr. speaker? >> The gentleman has the floor to respond. >> Thank you and this will have have addressed to some of the comments that have been made by my fellow representatives. A tremendous amount of work went in to looking at what the problems work. They were gonna be raised by doing this and trying to address those problems before the county line went into effect. For instance if you were in a school in South Carolina and then you all are gonna live in North Carolina you can continue to go to school in South Carolina. And that's a [INAUDIBLE] If you are in South Carolina now and you don't live in the middle of Carolina, you can still get the [INAUDIBLE] and state tuition like you would have done it before, if there was a business. Part of the most effective entity of this was a store in South Carolina that sold firecrackers, cares/g and alcohol. And by coming into North Carolina, the North Carolina law could completely affect their ability to do those things. So what was worked out was, is that although they are now going to be in North Carolina, they are grandfathered. And they can continue to do the same things they were doing in South Carolina as long as the ownership doesn't change. Once that property is sold, then the grandfather will be lost and it will be a done pursuit to North Carolina law. The homes where the land went through it, I thought it was very interesting the question came up where that my my home is divided how do you [INAUDIBLE] which state I live in? Where there is all legal theory that where the master bedroom is [INAUDIBLE]. So in all those [homes wherever the master bedroom is that's the state they are gonna live in. But the bill also specifically addressed title to real property for closure of days and trusted mortgages, as I mentioned school student involvement. Driver education eligibility, and beginner licences in state tuition like I alluded to. Environmental compliance schedule, and also rule fire protection district, county service district, water to sewer districts. Once again trying to address everything that we could. I know there are gonna be things just just like Senator Tucker does that will come up that need to be addressed or clarified. And we fully intend

to do that in a techno/g correction builder in the long session once we learn what all those things are. Unfortunately this is something I can't express enough that has to be done once again that was the direction of the boundary commission. The boundary commission is done that, South Carolina has done their part by implementing into law and now I'm simply asking North Carolina to do the same thing. [INAUDIBLE] of what South Carolina has done and is waiting for us to do. Thank you Mr. Speaker. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Randolph, Representative >> [LAUGH] >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Floyd rise? >> Inquiry of the chair please. >> The gentleman may state his inquiry. >> Mr. Speaker you indicate thus that you're gonna jump around and bring those bills up that have very little controversy? >> Correct this is one of those nine controversial bills that's correct. >> Yes sir and with that Mr. Speaker, may I ask the bill sponsor a question since this is the second reading. >> Does the gentleman from New Hanover yield to the gentleman from Robinson? >> Certainly. >> He yields. >> So Representative Davis since this is second reading and third reading will possibly be held tomorrow is it possible for you to do the appropriate thing so so we can move around on a general liberate more? [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Mr. Speaker recall the question? >> The gentleman from New Hanover is recognized for a motion. >> Mr speaker I move that we, though in favor of >> Is the gentleman moving the adoption the previous question? >> Yes sir I certainly am. >> The gentleman has moved the previous question to the Senate committee substitute Senate Bill 575 those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote No the clerk will open the vote. The chair will excuse from voting Representative McGrady. pursuant to rule 24.1A >> Mr. Speaker I will state my place that i own loins that is now is in South Carolina. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Could the following members rest your accord representative Dobson, Shepherd, Charles Graham, Marlone The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 91 having voted in the affirmative, 23 in the negative, senate 575 passes its, I will strike that. The motion of previous question is adopted, now we're on the vote for the bill itself, the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] wishes to be excused, the chair will surely excuse him as to the procedural motion and as to the substance of the bill. So the gentleman will simply need to fill out the form. The question before the house is the passage of senate bill 575 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote Aye those opposed will vote no the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK-AUDIO] The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 101 having voted in the affirmative and 15 in the negative senate bill 575 passes it's second reading and remains on the calendar. Senate bill 382 the clerk will read. >> Senators Raven, Harrison, Meredith senate bill 382 a bill to be entitled enact to revise senate bill 612. And provided for the emergent of consolidation of the school administration units and mass county and the city of Rock and Mount general assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> What purpose does the gentleman from Harnett Representative Louis rise >> Debate the bill. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Mr. speaker and members I will be happy to go through the bill in great detail if that is the desire of the body however Can state for the record that this is the codification of over nine months of negotiations between all the affected properties and that it is supported by the legislative delegation that represent both of these counties and that delegation consists of members of the majority party and members Minority, therefore I would ask you to support this bill. Further discussion further debate if not the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 382 on it's second reading. Those in favor will vote Aye those oppose will vote no the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] Representative Hall, does the gentleman wish to record on this vote? Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 116 having voted in the affirmative, and one in the negative, senate bill 382 passes its second reading and will without objection Be read a third time.

>> General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> Further discussion, further debate, if not the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 382 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye. >> Aye. >> Those opposed no? The ayes have it, senate bill 382 passes its third reading and will be returned to the senate for concurrence. House bill 1047, the clerk will read >> Representatives Jones, Blackwell, and Hager, house bill 1047, a bill to be entitled an act to require the North Carolina Lottery Commission to provide certain cash lottery winning information to the department of health and human services, division of social services and cross check with information of applicants for recipients Of food and nutrition benefits to direct legislative research commission to study the extent to which the North Carolina and disqualify lottery winners to receive the food and nutrition benefits, to implement certain disqualification periods for non-compliance with work required for food and nutrition benefits. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Henderson Representative McGrady arise. >> Mr speaker I'm having a rough day if I can switch my vote on Senate Bill 382. >> The gentleman will be of course having voted I on Senate Bill 382. For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham Representative Jones arise To send forth an amendment. >> The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment the clerk will read. >> Representative Jones moves to amend the bill on page two line 25 and line 27 to replace full house hold with recipient. >> The gentleman from Rockingham is recognized Recognized to debate the amendment. >> Thank you Mr speaker, ladies and gentlemen the house, those of you that were her yesterday know that we had some discussion about the issue and I had explained during the discussion that the intent of the bill sponsors was that this was able bodied adults without children or without dependence And sometimes as you know the federal laws can be rather convoluted, I guess there are policies that pertain to the adults without dependence. With the other policies that address a part of group. So, we're clarifying for everyone's knowledge here that we are replacing full household with recipient. I think they were- And I want to thank Representative Tain in particular for his work on this and I know that there were several other representatives that I spoke with about this as well. And I just want to say that I have had an opportunity to think over the last 24 hours about this. One of the issues that concern, may or may not would happen if we didn't pass this but quite frankly I'm always concerned of unintended consequences as I know you are. And I was wondering if unintended consequence might be a spouse. Let's just say a husband and wife if the full household was involved in this case could cause a separation there that someone might decide to leave the household thinking that they would be in the eligible, where they wouldn't otherwise be. I don't know whether or not that would happen, but that would be a concern to me so anyway I would ask for your support on the amendment. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] representative Peters rise. >> Mr. speaker I would wish to ask the gentleman representative Jones from Lockingham County a question please. >> Does the gentleman from Lockingham yield to the gentleman from Scotland? >> I yield. >> He yields. Thank you Mr. speaker, Mr. Jones thank you, but let me ask you one question about that, if there's a single family household and the one person the home is guilty of discharge, what would happen if a mother with three children, what would happen in their situation if this head of household is the mother she's guilty of it and the father is guilty of it, what will happen, you made the point about two people in the house that it's also one family household what would happen in their situation. >> Thank you representative, I think what we're clarifying here is that in no way children are involved in this so if the recipient we're talking about section here that has to do with the work requirement and that's something we'll clarify later too just to make sure everybody understands what each section talks about, but in this case if the person does not do the work requirement as supposed to rather than the full household being ineligible it's only the recipient only that on person. >> Further discussion, further debate on the amendment, if not the question for the house is the adoption of the amendment 82 sent forth by Representative Jones, those in favor will vote aye, those oppose will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] The clerk will lock the machine and lock the vote 117 having voted

in the affirmative and none in the negative, the amendment is adopted. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Jones Representative Lockingham rise? >> To debate the bill. >> Chairman is recognized to debate the bill. >> Thank you Mr. speaker, ladies and gentleman the house I know we had some extending conversation about this yesterday I hope the amendment that we just passed work to the satisfaction obviously to the vote, that was a good thing. Let me just review the bill, there were a lot of questions yesterday, I have had 24 hours to take any questions that people might have, I've tried to address those but let me try to walk you through this bill one time and make it very clear what the bill does and what it does not do. Let me just start start by saying. >> Mr. Speaker? [BLANK-AUDIO]. >>For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Floyd rise? >> Mr speaker may I ask the bill sponsor. >> Does the gentleman from Lockingam yield to the gentleman from Cumberland? >> Certainly yields. >> Representative you did a marvelous job yesterday of explaining the bill, is it necessary to do it again or could you just yield for us to ask you question as we relate to the bill. >> Thank you Representative Floyd, I appreciate that very much my friend. If I look up at the queue and see that there's no one else that longs to speak, I'll be happy to go ahead and take a vote. But right now I see three people in the queue so lemme just have my turn of that here. And just make sure that we all understand what we're voting on and what we are not. Government assisted programs, welfare programs if you will, they were designed and they should be preserved for those that are truly needy. And they are so designed to help those to be able to get back to work. I hope we would all agree on that. The people want to work and we wanna help them get back to work. Section one of this Bill is the only section that deals with the lottery. I think there were some sections yesterday that were getting sections mixed up and what this basically says what I think most people inherently knows is that if a person wins the lottery they may or they may not remain eligible for this government assistance, and this simply requires that the lottery commission will report the lottery winners who win at least $2,250 and there is a reason for that figure, to DHHS, that $2,250 is not just some arbitrary number that we took out of the air, the law requires that that is reported for tax purposes, and I would have you know that there are several states that do this that their trigger is $600 so 2,250 is between three and four times that amount but there are other states that do this at $600, I wanna make it very clear that when this person, when they submit their report that they've won the lottery, that does not automatically mean that they are no longer eligible for benefits, it doesn't mean that they are going to loose their benefits it simply gives the department the information to see if they are still eligible, the law does require them to report the changes in income so this is simply consistent with what the law states, and all this other required by law to report an income and resource changes but many did not do so and I won't go through the details that I said yesterday but clearly in other states they have determined that there have been significant Winnings of the lottery that did not get reported and this people were no longer eligible, and folks when we are taking limited resources and we are giving them to people who are not eligible, we are in fact taking money away from those that are truly needy, I would just remind us all that Money doesn't grow on trees and know that in Washington they print an awful lot of it and they borrow a lot of it but folks we are in great debt right now that should be a concern for everyone in this room and everyone within the sound of my voice. The federal government is in tremendous debt and there may come a day and I hope Hope and pray that it does it but there may come a day that we won't be arguing about things like this anymore because there won't be any money to pay for any food stamps for anybody, so all we are trying to do is to preserve a good program for the truly needy that need it and just ask people to comply with the law. Section ten is simply a study so I'm not going to go Go into a lot of detail about categorical eligibility but I will tell you it is a very conservative move that we are doing this as a study, there are other states that have taken away categorical eligibility because it's basically saying that if you don't qualify

for food stamps any other way We'll just put you in this categorical eligibility and I would say that in some cases there are stories that I won't go into that you would say why in the world would this person be eligible just because of this or that, all this does is put it into a study so that we can determine the appropriate nature for that Now section three now this pipit here we are not talking about the lottery any more, we are talking about worker requirements which the federal government allows for and this body has already passed and what the section does is simply clarifies and strengthens the disqualification period. For this are able bodied adults there are work requirements and this is simply saying that if they do not do that and we've been through it yesterday, it could be volunteerism it. Participating in employment, training program, this is a program again is designed to help to get someone back to work, work is honorable, people want to work, people need to work, and that's all this is saying, so I will just summarize by saying ladies and gentlemen let's it get to it by tax payers money Or that is sky rocketing lets make sure that the program is being used as intended that there's not fraud and abuse and that's what this tends to get at and so Mr. speaker I would ask for support on this good bill. >> For what purpose Purpose does the lady from Wilson representative Farmer Butterfield arise. >> I send forth an amendment. >> Which amendment does the lady wish to send forward. >> ASH33P4. >> The lady is recognized to send forth the amendment she specified, the clerk will read. >> Representative [INAUDIBLE] looks to amend the bill Page two lines 42 to 43 by inserting the following lines between. >> The lady has the floor to explain her amendment. >> Thank you Mr Speaker. This amendment to the bill refers to page two lines 42-43 and it will basically involve inserting Section 5 A, which states on or before January 1st, 2015, the department of health in human services shall report to the joint legislative oversight committee on health and human services the following, one the number of times the number of lottery winners reported that the North Carolina Lottery Commission In a match when crosschecked with applicants form, or recipients of food nutrition benefits. Two, the number of times, in result of this reporting result in a termination of food and nutrition benefits. Three, the number of terminations due to lottery winnings, one year Prior to the effective date of this act, and one year following the date of this act, and four, the amount of federal dollars saved resulting from the terminations of the benefits because of this act. Mr. Speaker, this reporting will help all of us from the discussion We had yesterday understand the connection between the lottery winnings, and the food and nutrition recipients, and assist us in understanding the impact this legislation is having. I ask for your support on this amendment, and I've also spoken to Representative Jones about it, And I think he's in favor of it. Thank you. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham, Representative Jones arise? >> To debate the amendment. >. The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Thank you Mr Speaker. I wanna thank Rep Farmer Butterfield for being very gracious and speaking with me about this Sharing the amendment I think we're delighted for them to be able to report the savings and I just wanna say that whatever savings we get, I think it's worth it. We're simply asking people to comply with the law but I'm fine with this amendment. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Bladen Briston arise? >> To ask Miss Butterfield a question. >> Would the lady from Wilson yield to the gentleman from Bladen? >> I yield. >> She yields. >> Representative Butterfield, thank you for yielding. Representative Jones said that Study committee if I heard him right, are you adding this to the study part or [INAUDIBLE] major amendment? >> Part of the bill is a study,

the other part is not. This specifies the specific information that we will definitely have staff At the lottery commission as well as the social service staff at the local levels and of course the state level. It's also gonna determine whether or not this bill is having an impact or if it needs to be replied. >. Anther question Mr.speaker. Would the lady from Wilson yield to an additional question? >> Yes >> She yields to an additional question. >> I hope that we all realize that the food stamp program is THE federal program state the only thing we do is get paid in this pursuit. I don't know exactly where we are tying go here. Do you know >> I know but I rather not say. >> Thank you Mr. chair. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Cabarrus Representative Pittman rise? >> I didn't push my light sir. >> Is there further discussion of further debate on the amendment sent forth by the lady from Wilson seeing none. The question before the house is the adoption of the amendment sent forth by representative Farmer-Butterfiled. Those favoring the adoption will vote Aye. Those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO] The clerk will lock the machine And record the vote. With 109 voting in the affirmative and 3 in the negative, the amendment is adopted. For what purpose does the lady from Wilson, Representative Farmer Butterfield arise? >> To send forth another amendment. >> Which amendment does the lady wish to send forth? >> ASH38B1/g >> The lady is recognized to send forward the amendment she has identified. The Clerk will read. >> Representative Farmer Butterfield moves to amend a bill on page 1 line 18, to replace $2,150 with $5,000. >> The lady has the floor to explain her amendment. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker. This Bill I believe, house bill 1047 on page just one line 18 to 27 and in page two line eight by simply replacing the $2,250 with $5,000. We met yesterday with the staff, in research Representative Insko and myself, and we also talked with the staff head the department of heath [INAUDIBLE] services and the lottery commissioner staff on both of this amendments. And we decided that people really who qualify for food and nutrition programs don't have a lot of money. And the $2,250 comes from a federal regulation and it speaks to resourse the limits not a [INAUDIBLE] caps on when you report on the lottery. So this would cause people who are applicants for a recipient support and nutrition programs who don't have a lot of money and probably have significant debt to not be reporting that information, when it occurs unless there is $5000 or more involved. And it increasing the reporting threshold would decrease the burdens on the lottery staff, the DSS offices and allow food and nutrition recipients to address possible debts such as medical expenses and car repair expenses, those kinda things. The resource will still be addressed as is now, in terms of re-certification every six months and indeed every time from one [INAUDIBLE] and then see that $5000 threshold they would have to report again as well. So I ask for your support on this amendment, thank you. >> Mr. Speaker? >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Scotland Representative Pierce arise? >> Ask the general lady from Wilson county a question please. >> Will the lady from Wilson yield to the gentleman from Scotland/g? >> Yes. >> She yields. >> Butterfield, let me ask you a question. If I happen to win the lottery and I'm receiving any type of assistance, could I not give my winning ticket to somebody down the street?

Can they collect the money from me? I hear all that we're doing, but is that the case for what we always thought you did? Ask you a question, can one do that and allow someone else to collect their earnings. They never go through the system. >> I can't answer that question. Don't look for the lottery commission that has not come up in my research during this issue, so I don't wanna give you false information. >> Mr. Speaker? >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam arise? >> Would Representative Piers ask me that question? >> [LAUGH] >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Scotland, Representative Piers arise? >> To ask the not gentle person from Wake County a question. Representative Stam, thank you Mr. speaker. >> Representative Peters the answer is we have a huge loop hole here not only for welfare but for back taxes, child support and everything else for which they collect things and that is you've identified what a person is likely to do and that is sell the ticket at discount to someone else. [BLANK-AUDIO]. >> Members of the chair can I have your attention, earlier today the house passed, the house committee substitute for senate bill 382, the chair directs that said bill be sent to the Senate by special message. For what purpose does the gentleman from Rockingham Representative Jones arise? >> To debate the amendment. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Thank you Mr speaker and again I really do thank Representative Farmer Butterfield for being very gracious and respectful and coming and bringing me this amendment and showing it to me, ladies and gentlemen [INAUDIBLE] decision and I'm going to tell you why I'm not going to vote for this amendment and I don't think that you should either, but I said earlier there are many other states that have a $600 threshold, we are already at $2250. >> Members the chair is finding it difficult to hear the gentleman's debate the chair would ask members to observe the decorum of the hall, Representative Jones please continue. >> Thank you Mr speaker we are already at $2,250 which is between three and four times what many other states are doing here now if this body believes that a person should be able to win up to $5,000 in the lottery and not have to report that when the Federal law already requires that they if you work and you get $2,250 you have to report back, if you think that a person should be able to win the lottery and not have to report that then you vote for this amendment. I will be voting no. For what purpose does the gentleman from Union, Representative Brody arise? >> Mr Speaker I'd just like to see if I can record as yes on the previous amendment please. >> The gentleman wishes to be recorded as having voted I on the first Farmer-Butterfield amendment. The gentleman will be so recorded. For what purpose does the lady from Carteret , Rep McElraft arise? >> To speak on the amendment. >>The lady has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Ladies and gentlemen I agree with this amendment. The $2250 is reported to the IRS. It is not necessarily reported to DHHS. That's $40 a week for a poor family who's gonna possibly have their food stamps taken away. It's also a lot of work for the lottery commission and DHHS I agree, I was even gonna try to do 10,000 but I agree with 5,000, I think it's a good idea and I hope that we would all be compassionate enough to look at this 5,000, it helps., it will still bring in more money to the state, it will do what it needs to do and it won't hurt poor people. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Brawley arise? >> Mr. Speaker I wonder if representative Jones would yield for a couple of questions. >> Would the gentleman from Rockingham yield to the gentleman from Mecklenburg? >> Certainly. >> He yields. >> Representative was the reason the $2,250 amount was chosen was since the lottery committee. ->> [SOUND] Representative Brawley, the gentleman will suspend. The chair would ask members to observe the decorum of the hall.Representative Brody you may proceed. >> Thank you Mr. speaker. That since the lottery committee was already preparing a 1099 for the IRS, all they would have to do is send an extra copy to the HHS and then will not have to keep up with a separate set of reports and a separate reporting schedule for lottery winnings? >> Yes sir that's correct. I believe that this is not calls/g that meant traditional look for the lottery commission.

The lottery commission had actually agreed to this and they were not opposed to it. And I would just add this way that just because a person files this, number one does it mean they lose their benefits and number two does it affect the entire family or it would just be the recipient that would lose the benefit so I guess that addressed some other comments that were just made. Thank you for the questions and that's a valid point. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Roane Representative Warner rise? >> To see if my colleague here Representative Jones would yield for a question? >> Will the gentleman from Rockingham yield to the gentleman from Roane? >> I yield. >> He yields. >> Thank you Representative Jones. Some people consider the lottery to be a tax on the poor and there's been plenty of statistics banded around to show that the poor tier one communities have a higher incidence of lottery participation than other more affluent areas. So my question would be, is there anything in the bill itself and this amendment that would serve as a deterrent for people in that lower socioeconomic strata to maybe hold on to the money that so many folks are worried about them using for the lottery rather than participate in the lottery. And if that's the case with the 2000 plus that you're proposing in the bill be more of an incentive not to participate in Rep Farmer Butterfield's amendment. >> I think that could be the case. I think it's hard to quantify that. We talked about that a little bit yesterday in response to another question but I think it leads the person, I agree with you that I think it, as another representative said yesterday, it can be an entrapment to the poor, sometimes false promises of all this wealth and security, or whatever. But I would simply say that at least the person would know what they need to do to be in compliance with the law. And if they do in fact win this amount, they're not only gonna be reporting it for tax purposes, but they're gonna be reporting it to DHHS. There again, doesn't mean the automatically loose their benefits. But it could change their assets in such a way that they may no longer qualify. And we think that that's a reasonable request. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Haywood, Representative Queen arise. >> To ask representative Butterfield a question if I could. >> Chair believes the gentleman wishes to direct the question to the member from Rockingham would the gentleman from Rockingham yield to the gentleman from Heywood? >> I would be happy to yield. >> He yields. >> My question is it doesn't seem to be changing the intent of our tax law or any other law to have the lottery winning supported, every part of the income and so forth, but you'll get to deduct your losses in this scheme so whenever you've been playing for years and you've been loosing right and left at the typical rate and now you finally hit, do you get to say, do you get to [INAUDIBLE] I've been losing now I'm winning and it's no harm, no foul, no report, does it work that way. >> Mr. speaker? >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Pendall Representative Millis/g arise. >> Point of inquiry. >> The gentleman may state his inquiry. >> Just in regards to question represented what does that have to do with anything regarding to the bill of taxation of losses, things that matter, in my understanding we were talking about a threshold record or reporting that Representative Jones actually has in the bill. >> In the opinion of the chair the gentleman's point of order is well taken and the gentleman from Heywood question has not remained to the amendment before the chamber, does the gentleman from Haywood wish to propound a further question or to speak on the amendment. >> Let me see if I could put it this way, I'm trying to figure out when you reach the reporting requirement that either the amendment or the base bill gets to do you get to deduct your losses. >> The chair is going to rule that this is not [INAUDIBLE] to the amendment and the chair is going to return to the gentleman one additional time to see what purpose the gentleman seeks recognition. >> No other purpose thank you. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland representative Floyd arise? To speak on the amendment. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Mr Speaker as relates to 2500 and relates to 5000 it provides just a little bit more cushion for the low income person that is playing the lottery. When you really look at it If it wasn't for the low income individual playing the lottery I don't think that the amount of money that

turned over to education would be as great. But please don't underestimate the person that's playing the lottery. As an example if the person wins $10,000 on the lottery Normally we would pay 30% tax or 35% tax. He goes across across the street and asks his neighbor to take the ticket, cash it in and keep 35%. I get $7000, I still keep my eligibility And the person that won't get $3500 over the whole year. He walks away with 3500 or 3000. I walks away with 7000 and still got my eligibility. So it's a win-win situation for the person- >> Mr Speaker. For what purpose does the gentleman from Guilford, Rep Blust arise? The gentleman will yield for a question. >> Yes sir. The gentleman from Cumberland yields. The gentleman from Gilford may state his inquiry. This would also go to representative Queen who just mentioned all this transactions losses and winds, you mentioned low income people playing the lotery. Yesterday we had all these asked about. This is gonna harm children and take away their food if we pass this bill. Where are this low income people getting all this money to play the lottery from. If they are not feeding their kids how are they able to purchase. Purchase lottery ticket so often. >> May I Mr.speaker >> The gentleman is recolonized to respond to the inquiry. >> Mr speaker I wish I knew the answer to that because when I into the store I see lot of people to assist the state as it relates to our contribution toward education. And the lottery. But at any respect they are playing the lottery. And please do not underestimate the individual that are playing the lottery and those individuals are not going to loose their eligibility if they can find other ways in which to redeem their winnings. This is a better way at least we will get a portion of our money. And will also send a message that those individuals would have a least of five. >> Mr.speaker >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Wayne representative Bell rise? >> Point of order I'm trying to read through the bill and last time I checked this is not a lottery bill. Conversations all talking about the lottery. Can we get back to the subject at hand, the amendment on hand and move forward with this legislation thank you. >> The gentleman's point is well taken. Members the matter before the chamber is the amendment sent forth by the lady from Wilson. That you have before you on your. Which is adjusting reporting limits. Please confine your remarks to the mater before the chamber. The gentleman from Cumberland has the floor and may continue his remarks. I'll struck the word winning and say that their are other ways that the individual would redeem. There winning. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Burke, Representative Blackwell arise? >> To speak on the amendment. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker. I would ask the members of the house to reject this amendment. It seems to me that There's the potential here that people are misunderstanding the purpose of the legislation itself. As Representative Jones I think has explained before, this 2250 is not going to determine an individual or family's eligibility for food stamps/g, this is just A matter of at what level does a particular resource get reported so it can be considered in the overall process of determining the total resources that determine whether you're eligible. Why we would want to say 2 or 3,000 dollars more Or should be off the radar and hidden such that we don't know about it as we're making the eligibility determination is beyond me. We don't say that with respect to other resources that are reportable. So let's relay on the eligibility factors that are not a part of Part of this bill, if you determine that people will not go hungry that are entitle to food stamps. Let's just be sure that people who have significant winnings have those winnings reported by the lottery. And that we have that information, and if it makes a difference in their eligibility Then so be it. But we are not asking anybody to feed themselves or their family on $2,250 a year.

>> For what purpose does the gentlemen from Ashe Representative Jordan arise? >> Actually debate the amendment. >> The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker, colleagues this a simple Simple issue here, this amendment discusses an amount that its in this bill. The original amount 2250 has a rational basis as it relates to a federal regulation. The amendment want's to change it to 5000 which is completely obituary and made up and pulled out from the air. I think the choice is very clear, go with the actual rational basis the original number and vote against this This amendment. >> Further discussion further debate. Seeing non the question before the house is the adoption of the amendment sent forth by the lady from Wilson. Those favoring the adoption of the amendment will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The Clark will open the vote [BLANK_AUDIO] The Clerk will lock the lock the machine and record the vote with 41 voted in the affirmative and 74 in the negative, the amendment is not adopted. Further discussion, further debate? For what purpose does the gentleman from Haywood, Representative Queen arise? >> To speak On the bill. >> Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. >> Thank you. I stand not to really debate against the lottery provisions, which is just reporting provision about earned income of one kind or another but against the Concept of adding a work requirement to receive food steps if you are poor and hungry. We certainly voted on this before we voted on this. I think at four in the morning in the technical corrections. I didn't vote for it but that's where it was struck Stuck. My point is that you say that it doesn't hurt the children and old people to do this. It's good it actually helps the hungry to ask them to work 20 hours or Go to school 20 hours before they can get their food stamps for that week. I would submit to you, when you are hungry you should be fed and food stamps have been a very efficient program to do just that When you are hungry you got one problem. When you're fed you can have a lot of problems. How to get transportation to look for a job. How to get transportation or opportunity to find the job If your community doesn't have a job. >> Mr speaker a point of inquiry. >> For what purposes is Does the gentleman rise? >> Thank you Mr Speaker. I'd like to inquire [UNKNOWN] He's talking about a bill that we passed last session which was the work requirements. This bill only enhances those work requirements. So I'd ask the Speaker to rule on that please. >> The gentleman's point is well taken, the chair would remind all members to Confine their remarks to the matter before the chamber which is the content of house bill 1047. The gentleman from Haywood continues to have the floor and may continue to debate the contents of house bill 1047. >> Inquiry of the chair. >> The gentleman may state his inquiry. Can I not speak on the portion of the bill which is the work requirement to receive food stamps so that it would be a reason not to vote on this bill. >> The house will be at ease. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] Representative Quinn? >> Yes. >> In the opinion of the chair The gentleman may continue his remarks to the extent that the bill relates to the work requirement, the

gentleman may complete his remarks. >> Thank you sir. My point is that when you're hungry We should feed you. Again, absolute critical requirement. And if you are a able bodied adult in any household you will be fed in that household and then the portion that you were fed >> For what purpose does the Gentleman from Nash, Rep Collins arise? >> May I ask Rep Queen a question please? >> Doe the gentleman from Haywood yield to the gentleman from Nash? >> Yes, I will. >> He yields. >> Rep Queen, are you of the opinion that if a person is without a job and without income to purchase food That they should be unwilling to enroll in job training and we should still provide food for that person who is unwilling to seek training so that they might get a job. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> I am of the opinion if a person is hungry, that we don't need The hurdles for them to be receiving food stamps of any kind. >> May I ask further question? >> Would the gentleman yield to an additional question? >> Yes. >> He yields. >> So then if we had on other hurdles whatsoever, so if banquet for this person, and put it on the table in their household and they're too lazy to walk to the table and get it, then it's my responsibility to go stick the fork in their mouth? [SOUND]. >> Members, the chair is going to remind the members of the chamber to refer to the house rules Which clearly state that a question should not be used in the guise of debate. Representative Queen, you have the floor to complete your remarks. >> Thank you Mr.Speaker. I am saying that, even in our efforts here for regular Reform we have a problem, a hungry man we need to try to help him get some food, we don't need to put some hurdles in this way to get food a fundamental need, and what I will say to you whenever we do what we are doing here we are actually hurting The children and others and the family along with this person because my full banks tell us that they at their max, so if they have to assist everybody persons who have lost their food stamps and are food insecure with the resources they have Which are already limited and maxed out, then somebody gets less and that's children and old folks, if you are looking for a job in a real community where there is not a job, where there is no transportation system, no Internet to help you find one, you might need food Before you get around to finding a job or education or all of those things that you also need, but let us not take away the fundamental human requirement of food from somebody just because they are either bodied and we think we ought to throw some hurdles in front of them because they are somehow Our biggest problem,o I think we need to have a little more compassion and understanding for what a poor mans problem is sometimes, you may be able bodied and a felon and can't find a job, you may be able bodied and have some other issues in your life, addiction Abuse, domestic violence, lack of transportation, things that I've already mentioned but you still need to be fed, this is such a fundamental thing I ask you not to vote for this and let's try to help those in need straight up and then help them in every other way we can with opportunities, thank you. >> The gentleman from Wokingham Representative Jones is recognized for a motion. >> Mr speaker. >> For what purpose does the lady from Orange Representative [INAUDIBLE] arise. >> I have an amendment to offer and I have my light on. The Chair has recognized the gentleman from Rockingham. The gentleman may state his motion. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the house, we had quite a bit of debate on this yesterday. We've heard a lot of good floor speeches, a lot of things that have to do, some with this Bill and some with the general policies of the Federal Government that are related to this Bill That are not directly covered by this Bill. I think every member of this chamber at this point has had ample opportunity to ask questions, we've waited for 24 hours, we've done everything else,

I think everybody knows how they're gonna vote. So Mr. Speaker I move for the previous question. >> The gentleman from Rockingham has moved the previous Previous question on the Bill. This is not a debatable motion. The question before the House is the motion from the gentleman from Rockingham that the main question be put. Those favoring the call for the previous question will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The Clerk will open Will open the vote. [BLANK_AUDIO]. Representative Jider/g will be recorded as having voted aye the clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, with 71 voting in the affirmative and 42 in the negative. The motion for the previous question is adopted per the rules three minutes will be afforded to the leader of the minority party and three minutes will be afforded to the leader of the majority party or their designee. >> Mr. Speaker. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham Representative Mitchell rise? >> Inquiry to chair. >> The gentleman may state his inquiry. >> It was my understanding that a person who votes has to be at a seat. Are we adopting the rules of the senate now, where all we have to do is just signal how we wanna vote Representative Mitchell, the gentleman's point is taking the chair would acknowledge only that the speaker has for the last session and several times here in this session allowed that to occur if the gentleman wishes to discontinue that practice, the chair will certainly take that under advisement and express the gentleman's concern to the speaker. Does the gentleman from Durham Representative Hall wish to speak, during his three minute time. >> Yes Mr. Speaker absolutely. Thank you for the three minutes. Has the floor. >> Thank you Mr. speaker and I regret that come to this point that we have to cut off debate on this because I think we all learnt a lot obviously a lot of information came into this bill that wasn't yesterday. People have had a chance to work together over night to correct. Somethings that were in it and make accommodation. So I think that's important and that's part of the process we go through here and I would hope that we would not be afraid to allow that process to work. Again we talk about what we are gonna do regarding this small benefit. I can recall a couple of years ago and folks are concerned about whether or not there are some type of benefit from the system when someone plays the states sponsored lottery. And so we know and representative Stam has been a leader in this and trying to reduce the about of advertising we do. To entice people to play this lottery, it's a state lottery not a private lottery. And when we start talking about we are worried about persons getting benefit out of our state system a lot of forks will recall three year ago or two years ago. We gave an exception. The first 50000 of income of business that were operating in the state in small business. We knew they were making the income we knew they were using the state system, we knew they were using the state resources. They had their property protected by state resources, they use state roads to get to and. From their business they used the infrastructure and everything but we made a policy decision that we weren't worried about them having their first 50,000 without paying their fair share. We made that decision. >> Mr. speaker point of order. Is he arguing on the bill? He was taking about the $50000 tax. Credit or something that was given several years ago. >> Members the chair acknowledges the ladies point of order. The chair would ask the gentleman from Durham to the extent possible to confine his remarks to the bill. The chair also So understands that we are in a situation where the previous question has been called. There's not a great deal of precedence for how those three minutes are used and therefore the chair is going to allow the gentleman to continue with his remarks. Thank you Mr. Speaker and I want to go Over the $50,000 exemption we gave to small businesses a few years ago. Again I'll just move on to the fact that in the state of North Carolina, again as regards as bill in the work requirement this reference in this bill.

We don't have in the nine counties the SNAP E&T program Program allows you to give education and training and therefore qualify for those benefits is that ways. So when we have that work requirement or training requirement and we don't have the ability to provide it regularly, then we do make these benefits unattainable and that is important and that's part of our responsibility. If we're gonna make these These requirements be there, we should facilitate people's ability to be in programs to do it. Finally I'll make the point of the counties in which these benefits would be needed and these types of situations would arise that are prescribed under the bill. Note that once before we had 49 counties in 2008 with 15% Property population is now up to 79 counties, that's a 60 percent increase and we should note that we were making policy that our counties and our folks don't match up with the policies that we're making and they are not necessarily in their best interest and That's why we should be here, so again this bill is worth fully short of what is was trying to achieve is out there by itself without the supporting infrastructure we need in order to make it be meaningful to the people of North Carolina and I will be voting against it, hope you will too. >> The majority leader Is recognized for a time not to exceed three minutes. >> Thank you Mr. chairman I would like to yield my time to representative Rockingham from Jones. >> The gentleman is here at this time to the main sponsor of the bill, the gentleman from Rockingham Representative Jones. >> Thank you Mr. speaker, Mr. speaker in contrast to what we just heard I think you've been extremely gracious in this process We've been gracious now for two days, we've tried to answer all the questions that were reported to us, some that had more to do with the bill than others, I think everyone has had an opportunity to ask the questions, to have them answered. So I will simply say that this is a good deal and I would add Ask for your support, hope you will vote green, thank you. >> The question before the house is the passage of house bill 1047 on its second reading, those favor in passage will vote I, those oppose will vote no. The clerk will open the vote [BLANK-AUDIO]. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote with 75 having voted in the affirmative And 38 in the negative, house bill 1047 has passed its second reading and the chair has been made aware of an objection to third and so it will remain on the calendar. [BLANK-AUDIO] [INAUDIBLE] For what purpose does the lady from Franklin, Representative Richardson arise? >> Thank you Mr Speaker. I would like to withdraw my amendment it has been previously presented. Thank you. >> The amendment will be returned to the lady. For what purpose does he gentleman from Vance, Rep Baskerville arise? For what purpose does the gentleman from Wayne, Rep Bill arise? >> For an announcement Mr Speaker. >> The gentleman has the floor for an announcement. >> The regulatory reform committee will meet 15 minutes after session in room 643 In the legislative office building we're also asking that any amendment sponsors please be in attendance just in case there are certain questions that the bill sponsors cannot ask, I was gonna answer. Thank you very much. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Catawba, Rep Adams arise? >> Change my vote on house bill 976. Yes, the gentleman from Catawba will be recorded as having voted I on House Bill 976. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg Representative Jeter arise? >> For an announcement. >> The gentleman has the floor for an announcement. >> House Republicans will caucus at 7:30 in our previously designated place. >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Jackson arise? >> To ask a question to the member from Wake County Representative Stan. >> Would the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from Wake? >> I do. Representative Stan I've been watching to see if your light was going to go on and I didn't see you push it when it came to announcements so I thought I would ask you did you realize why today is an important date in the history of the world? >> Yes

>>[LAUGH] >> It's the First anniversary of >> [LAUGH] >> [INAUDIBLE]. I was not there. >> [APPLAUSE] >> Mr. speaker what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Stan arise. >> I think it's also June 10th day Was that an inquiry? >> [LAUGH] >> For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenberg representative Browly arise. >> Future announcements. >> The gentleman has the floor and make both announcements. >. Thank you Mr speaker, the house committee of finance will meet at 8:30 In the morning, and 6:43 LOB we have two bills currently announced, HB1033 which is ID card fee waiver for disability, we also listing HB994 which is currently an IRS update but there will be a PCS, this will contain In every house finance proposal that has come forward it will be for discussion only so we will have the chance to vet them as a committee before we actually decide what we will do battle with the senate. My second announcement is that the following bills and finance are referred to Subcommittee on annexation. HB1128, senate bill 854 and senate bill 774 I'm making the announcement today so if they are lucky enough to get it done tomorrow perhaps we can add it to the agenda and handle them, thank you Mr. speaker. >> For what purpose Does the gentleman from Durham Representative Lukie arise. >> See if representative Browly would yield for a question. >> Will the gentleman from Mecklenberg yield to the gentleman from Durham. >. I'd certainly yield. >>Thank you representative Browly, you mentioned that you brought up house bill 994 and said there will be a committee substitute and then I couldn't follow what you said after that The committee substitute that would include what? >> Well, we've had several suggestions come in for different proposals and I'm not even aware of all of them, what I've asked is they be put in a house committee substitute as a PCS and post it tonight and then we will debate the mass of committee tomorrow, none of these Have been decided as the things that would be going forward by any subgroup of chairs, these were a lot of proposals that have become forward. I would say that some of them will have strong support in my circus and some will not but anything that is Deemed worthy of discussion will be debated by the full finance committee tomorrow, so you'll have an opportunity to talk about everything that will be on the table sir. >> As short follow up. >> I yield. >> The gentleman yields. >> So does that need any finance bill that was introduced during the 2015, 2016 session. Will be part of tomorrow's discussion? >> I wouldn't say that sir because we probably could not finish that discussion this week, but there will be a few and it will be out tonight sir. Plenty of time for you to be ready. >> And if I may Mr Chairman just real quick Mr Speaker I'm sorry. >> Will the gentleman [CROSSTALK] >> Democratic bills be In the mix as well as republican votes. >> I don't know, I don't know what I was gonna be on it. >>> Thank you very much. >. For what purpose does the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] representative Adams rise. For what purpose does the gentleman from [INAUDIBLE] rise. >> The gentleman has the floor and may speak up Three minutes to appoint a personal privilege. >> Thank you Mr. Speaker, I just want to let everybody know that House Bill 958 science law which passed 109 to nothing a few weeks ago passed the Senate today 48 to nothing with no amendments and I appreciate everybody's support in it, thank you. >> What purpose does The gentleman from Johnston Representative Daughtry arise. >> To make an announcement >> The gentleman has the floor and may make his announcement >> Representative Peter mentioned that there was gonna be a caucus at 7:30 tonight at the Republican Headquarters. There's also going to be a pre-caucus at 6:30 that you're expected to be in. Thank you >> [LAUGH] For what purpose there's the gentleman from Wake, Representative Martin arise. >> To speak to a point of personal privilege >> The gentleman has the floor and may speak out as a free man as a point of personal privilege. >> Thank you speaker, members as you may recall yesterday was Ommi's birthday and I spoke in celebration of that and I wanted to share with the body a kind of sues extended to me by One, in our midst after session yesterday, the gentleman from Union, Representative Horn came up to me, and presented me with a gift which I think was intended both to celebrate the army's but also Representative Horn is an air force veteran was trying to express appreciation to me for all the kind things I said about the air Air force yesterday.

But here is his gift, right here that he gave me. A small toy soldier, and I'm gonna keep him here on my desk, and I'm gonna name him, Tiny John Blast. >> [LAUGH] >> The clerk is recognized for an announcement The house committee on environment will not meet on Thursday June 16th for [INAUDIBLE] >> Further notices and announcements if not the gentleman from Wake Representative Stan is recognized for a motion. >> Mr speaker subject to messages for Senate committee reports conference reports we were refer the bills and resolutions pointing to the conferees I move that the house adjourn to reconvene on Thursday June 16th at 11 AM. Representative Stan has moved seconded by Representative Lukie that the house adjourns subject to receiving messages from the Senate committee reports re-referral of bills and resolution and the appointment of conferees to reconvene Thursday June 16th at 11 O'clock AM both in favor will say aye. >> Aye. >> Those opposed will say No, the I's have it and the house stands adjourned. [SOUND] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] The [UNKNOWN] committee reports, Reps Davis and Stevens chair the committee on judiciary number three recognizes and forward the report the clerk will read. >> Representatives Davis and Stephens, Judiciary III committee report, house bill 1043, Zitlan/g and challenge course safety act, favorable committee substitute, unfavorable regional bill, and re-referred to finance. >> The committee substitute is re-referred to the committee on finance, the original bill is placed upon the unfavorable calendar. >> Senate bill 89, disqualification notice, [INAUDIBLE] sale permit, favorable to house committee substitute, unfavorable senate committee substitute. >> The house committee substitute is calendared pursuant to rule 36 b, the original bill is placed upon the unfavorable calendar. A motion of Representative Louis, house bill bill 1090 short title, prosperity and economic opportunity for all NC act is removed from the committee on rules count, on operations in the house and we refer to the committee on finance. [BLANK-AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Representative Bell, Millis and Riddell are authorized to send forth the committee report the clerk will read. >> Representatives J. Bell, Chris Millis and Dennis Riddell Regulatory reform committee report. Sen bill 303, Regulatory Reform Act of 2016 favorable house committee substitute number two, unfavorable house committee substitute number one. >> House committee substitute number two, calendar June 16th pursuant to calendar 36B. Unfavorable house committee substitute number one, unfavorable calendar Conference reports, clerk will read. >> Representative Leo Daughtry chair for the conference committee appointed to resolve the differences to house bill 436 sends forth the following conference report for house bill 436, bill to be

entitled an Act to further define the term practice law for the purposes of protecting members of the public from serious harm resulting from the unauthorized practice of law, by a person who is not a trained and licensed attorney. Pursuant to rule 36 B, calendar June 16th. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO]