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[BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] So thanks everybody for coming. I'm Kathy Harrington, member of the North Carolina House [INAUDIBLE]. Some of my colleagues, Senator Mike Woodard, Representative Larry Hall, Senator Valerie Foushee and Senator Terry Van Dyne to address the very serious problem we have with water for quality contamination related to coal ash. And I'd like to start out by introducing two very strong activist women, Amy Brown and Debra Gram whose community of Dupville has been seriously and severely impacted by [UNKNOWN] [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Hello. My name is Amy Brown. I live in Belmont, North Carolina and I'm a concerned mother of two small boys. April 2015, I received a letter from the state that informed that my water was contaminated and that I shouldn't use it for drinking or cooking. March 2016, I received a letter from the state that informed me that my water was now safe to use. No new tests have been done on my wells, I personally have spoke to Tom Reader at GQ and Dr. Render Williams with DHHS. I have left messages for the governor. No one has been able to answer my questions. Who are the experts that agree with rescinding those do not drink letters? Did the same experts that once told me that I shouldn't use my water the same ones that think that it is safe now? Where are the extensive studies that I was told that the state performed? Where is the new information? Last week when the deposition of Dr. Davis was released I received the answers to my question. For example, she did not agree with the decisions to send the okay to drink letters because the water in public water systems is safer than the well water, page 22, 23. Doctor Davis would not have issued a letter telling residents that it was safe to drink well water with [UNKNOWN] chromium above the 0.07 health straining level. Page 29. Dr. Davis is not aware of anyone at DHHS including Dr. Williams who reviewed the levels of [UNKNOWN] chromium in public waters supplies across the state to support the first [UNKNOWN] of the okay to drink letter.
Dr. Davis objected to Dr. Williams about the first [UNKNOWN] because the low levels of drinking water supply in Charlotte and of Riley. Dr. Williams replied on the fact that Mr. Williams had made the statement that public water supply have levels of high or higher than those in the drinking wells. She also would not have told the well owners it was a appropriate to return to drinking the well water. Duke [UNKNOWN] map with DHHS about the health screening levels for our wells. So with that being said, who is actually protecting us? As a concerned mother, I'm doing everything I know to do to protect my children, but for those things out of my hand, I look to the state to help me in protecting my children. The state has failed me. Trusting the state and my neighbor Duke Energy has proven to be dangerous to our health. We deserve better than that. Every morning, this is what breakfast starts with. I have to grab a bottle of water, open it up, pour it in a pot to boil to fix my children oatmeal. These bottles line my bathroom counter so we can brush our teeth each and every day. These same bottles line my kitchen for dinner Who lives like this? Who is protecting us in this state? Thank you [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] >> My name is Deborah Graham, I live in Southbury/g North Carolina and [UNKNOWN] station/g is my neighbor. The State of North Carolina is telling us to drink from this toxic, Cancer filled [UNKNOWN] filth. We know that our water is contaminated, What Mrs Brown said, we all have been living on bottled water for 13 months now. Everything we do, is concerned around our water. Our eyes were all opened after the Dan River spill in 2014, and I feel like we are just now starting to understand the effect that coal ash has had on our communities. The deposition of Dr. Davis from DHHS opened up more eyes and outraged neighbors with the pressure that we now understand our state was put on by Duke Energy. Who we all know has very deep pockets and our state and I can't think of one Republican in our state that have not benefited from Duke Energy nor are the appointees by our Governor. We are tired. We want protection. We looked to our state for protection. According to Dr. Davis' deposition, a Josh Ellis Governor McCrory's press secretary had a meeting with Dr. Randal Williams, our state health director and told him to tell us that our well water was safe to drink. The level of toxic chromium six in residential well water has not changed in our state in over a year. Dr. Williams as our state health director has a job to protect public health. He knowingly, he knowingly put us in danger, knowingly telling us it's okay to drink our water, that his staff previously told us was not safe to drink in April 2015. Any State Health Director who does not protect public health is incompetent and should be removed from his position.
Dr. Williams knowingly put the health, our health at risk when he sent us okay to drink letters to our homes According to the testimony of Dr. Megan Davis, Dr. William's staff told him that they did not advise him to do that. Because the levels of chromium six still posed an increased cancer risk. This is all the elements of us turning North Carolina into another Flint, Michigan situation and our community is at the heart of these issues and we will not go away. We'll not be silent over this issue. Josh Ellis, the Governor's press secretary should also resign or be fired if that's the case because he has not qualified to be a public health scientist nor is he qualified to do human health risk assessments of water. He knowingly put communities at risk when he knew the water was not safe for us to drink. Dr. Williams, listened to the governor's press secretary and knowingly took action to place all residents at further risk. Based on Dr. Meagan, Davis deposition, Dr. Williams knowingly did this as a resident, I say Duke Energy being allowed to delay clean-up once again as they continue to put our health at risk and they fund and put pressure on our state government. I don't get much comfort from our state because of their actions or their lack off, [UNKNOWN] that 18 months For Duke to provide water for us, they don't even talk to us. I've got two letters from Duke Energy in the last 14 months but from the first or second senate say is, there is no indication that our plant operations has influenced your ground water. That is the communication that Duke Energy has put out to the families who are living around their plants. [BLANK_AUDIO] We know the problems with our water, you know the problems with our water, the state knows the problems with our water, Duke Energy knows the problems with our water. We're not going away, we want our state to follow the lead in South Carolina. They have a success story in South Carolina, Duke Energy's own staff has told us from them if there is no exposure, there's no risk. We don't want care, we don't want Duke Energy to continue to pressure on our state and go another 18 months. Dr. Williams needs to resign, he is not protecting public health, we are tired but we will not give up, our families our welfare, we on the very first [UNKNOWN], very first Senate, we cannot get an answer as to who's consent it was. I was told personally by Dr. Williams that it was either [UNKNOWN] decision but apparently as depositions are being told it was not an [INAUDIBLE] decision and I as a resident of this state believe that it started at the governor's seat and worked it's way down. It's about four people. This is not a coincidence. This is buck and these are the whales around my home that are surrounded by this Cancer-causing, unlined pits that they have. We want it cleaned up. Thank you. You all wouldn't wanna drink this mess. We don't either. Thank you, Ma'am >> First I wanna thank Amy and Debra for that very moving and disturbing testimony and I wanna thank you all for being here. My name is Terry Van Dyne. I am the Democratic Senate whip and I represent Buncombe County. Public safety should be a state leader's top priority and not something we are willing to compromise. Yet it has become evident that our state leaders including Governor McRory have lost sight of that and have chosen corporate interest over the interest of the people they were elected to serve. For years, coal ash plants have been poisoning our state's most valuable natural resource and directly threatening the lives of North Carolina families.
However when the concern of water contamination came up from the state's Department of Health and Human Services, and from state scientists Governor McCrory turned a deaf ear. DHHS and the state's Department of Environmental Quality based it's notice to residents of unsafe drinking water and health standards that were vetted and supported by the Center for Disease Control. In the end, Governor McCrory's administration wavered on the severity of this issue and ultimately violated the people's trust in their government by re-sending the it's unsafe drinking water notice to residents in this state, leaving people like Amy and Debora in limbo. All of this begs the question who is Governor McCRory listening to. Put yourself in the shoes of someone like Amie. When we turn on our [UNKNOWN] for a glass of water of to cook something in the kitchen, or to give our children a bath at night. We're not thinking is this safe for my family? Do I need to get a Cancer screening after brushing my teeth? People shouldn't have to ask this questions. And people shouldn't have to live in fear of a basic necessity. And they shouldn't have to doubt that their government is doing anything less than protecting their families. So what can we do about this? As legislators we can call for higher standards that ensure our citizens are protected. And we can make sure that we hold accountable anyone whose actions have jeopardized the health and safety of North Carolinian's. My colleagues in both the House and the Senate are proposing legislative actions to raise water quality standards and to seek answers to the state through mistakes of the past. And I'd like to introduce two of them to you, first senator [INAUDIBLE] >> Good afternoon, I am senator Valarie Foushee and I represent Chatham and Orange counties. So I'm here to talk numbers with you today, you'll see a lot of numbers floating around in the news. And with budget talks underway on Jones [INAUDIBLE] and at town halls across the state. But one of the most important numbers that North Carolina needs to focus on right now is this one, 0.07 parts per billion. That is the CDC's recommended health protective threshold for the occurrence of hexavalent chromium in drinking water supplies. Currently neither North Carolina or the federal government have any standard on this toxic carcinogen. So when state scientists and researchers were tasked with assessing the safety levels of drinking water in homes around Duke Energy's coal ash ponds, they looked to the country's leading public health institute for standards of measuring one of the most prevalent contaminants in coal ash that would maintain public safety. That standard was 0.07 parts of hexavalent chromium per billion parts of water. This well water show the concentration of hexavalent chromium of 2.2 parts per billion. Other resident's wells showed even higher concentrations. This puts her, her family and families across the state directly in harms way, significantly increasing their chances rather of Cancer in their lifetime. This is a real public safety threat to North Carolina and it has been ignored for far too long. Once again the state has violated the people's trust through letters alerting families of this very real health threat only to followup with contradictory letters claiming that their water supplies are safe. After months of DEQ defending their stance that the water supplies near Duke Energy's coal ash ponds are safe, they are now recommending permanent alternative water supply for these residents. With inconsistent and contradictory statements being issued by various state departments every few weeks, it is more evident than ever that we can not trust McClure's administration to regulate his former employer and act in an unbiased manner as North Carolina's governor. DEQ's announcement yesterday provides a loophole for Duke Energy for coal ash ponds classifications. At this juncture DEQ has lost all credibility.
The department's directive came with the contingency that cleanup plans would be reassessed in 18 months, offering due energy, another reprieve before they have to face up to this mess. DEQ's response was consistently inconsistent. It kicks the can further down the road and provides more uncertainty for North Carolina residents. We cannot continue to delay action against threats to public health. >> Senator Woodard or representative [INAUDIBLE] >> Good afternoon. I wanted to put a little bit more emphasis on what we're supposed to be doing as a state. And our duty and the sworn officials who have failed the citizens in this case, there is no question that regulation and enforcement of our regulations is what is needed here and we don't have the confidence now either in the governor and his office or his appointees if that will happen. The record is pretty clear it speaks for itself, you've seen the depositions, you've seen the impact, you've seen the inconsistencies and the question going forward is how do we remedy this situation and who pays for the clean up? No question there has to be a clean up, no question another two years of people being forced to drink poisonous water is unacceptable. This is not flint , it should not be flint and we should not have 29 or 13 flints North Carolina. This situation has to be resolved, whoever was supposed to prevent it or monitor it and failed should be removed and someone will have to pay the cost of this clean up. We certainly don't think the victims of this, the rate payer should be the ones. Certainly we should find out who is responsible, who knowingly failed to protect these citizens, they should be removed and we should make sure this is cleaned up immediately. So I would say to all North Carolinians think about your family's in your communities and they trust your place in your elected officials. Is this an example of what you expect? Who should pay the cost for this to happen to clean it up? It should not be the victims. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Good afternoon, I'm Senator Mike Woodland, I represent the 22nd senatorial district which includes [UNKNOWN] counties. As my colleagues have said, the deception displayed by the [UNKNOWN] administration and the negligence displayed towards our state's public health leads us to believe that this tangible threat to public safety is not being taken seriously. We cannot trust the administration to regulate this issue. Duke Energy and the lack of careful oversight, they now pose a real threat to people across this state, you've seen two of those people today. Public safety should be our state leaders top priority and this obsession over bathrooms, we should worry less about who's in the stall next to us and a lot more about the water that comes out of this thicket. This actions and the shell game the administration has been playing are prime examples of why the public does not trust their state government. And I hear this not just across the state but specifically in my district home to the Dan River and two large coal ash ponds and that is why we are here today. We would like people like Amie and Debra and those across the state who live near this coal ash pits. That there are public servants here in Riley working to protect your best interest. In addition to calling for new states standards on the maximum levels of hexavalent chromium and vanadium in North Carolina's drinking water supplies. Senator Fuschey and I also filed senate bill 813 which disapproves of the environmental management commissions revisions for ground water regulations that essentially offer leniency to potential polluters. These revisions move us in the wrong direction and reverse what guidelines the state does have in place to protect the environment and our drinking water. In addition, senate Democrats will call for a budget amendment to establish state standards for hexavalent chromium and vanadium that reflect the CDC's recommended health protective threshold of 0.07 parts per billion.
Over the past two years what we've seen from a McCrory administration is general mismanagement of the state's natural resources. We didn't make this mess, Amy and Debra and their families didn't make this mess. But as the elected public servants of the people, who believe that we should act in the best interest of those people. We will be the ones to take the first step in cleaning this mess up. We are also calling for justice on behalf of the people of North Carolina. The people of this state deserve to know the truth. That is why we're calling for an investigation on the governor and his staff's actions on the Governor's ongoing negotiations with Duke energy and the retraction of the do not drink notice from DHHS. These actions misled the public and eroded the people's trust. These actions put thousands of people in harm's way on Governor McCrory's watch. At this point, we'll be happy to answer your questions. >> Who were the investigators [INAUDIBLE]. >> Who'd be investigating? Legislative committees could certainly investigate for one if there are federal authorities who would investigate, we would certainly encourage them to look into this as well. >> Maybe you could speak more into what you hope to get out of that investigation. Just following up on Greg's question. How do you see that progressing? >> I think we need to share information. For the most part, I think people need to know what happened. What happened in those negotiations, what happened in those meetings between Duke Energy officials, the Governor, his staff, officials at DEQ and DHHS. >> For people who would then agree with you that we need to know more about that, again who investigates, how does that happen? How do we learn more about that sort of [INAUDIBLE] account and doing it like always? >> I think if you all wanna do It, then we would cheer you on too. >> [LAUGH] >> I think we ought to look inside. >> We need more information. The fact is the information that we have, the only insight we've had into these meetings and into the discussions that have happened between the scientists and staff and engineering reports on these departments, the medical professional's and DHHS' reports and in the final report or the final recommendations that come or the letters that come from the secretary and Dr. Williams, where's the gap in there? The only thing we know is happened, the only discussions we know about have been they've come about as a result of lawsuits. They've come about from depositions. Why isn't our government, the Governor, his appointees the head of these departments, why aren't they sharing with the people what they're discussions are. It takes a lawsuit, a deposition for us to find out what the concerns are. To find why ultimately secretaries and directors in these departments are ignoring the advice and the counsel of their medical professionals, their engineering professionals and their scientists. >> I'm just stuck on the mechanics of it, I don't mean to belabor the point but again a lot of people will agree with you, those questions need to be asked but I'm still not hearing necessarily hearing how you can get to the bottom of that. >> I'd be glad to start having, and there are plenty committees in this building let's see if we can get some chairs who'd be willing to invite these folks in. We've got oversight committees in both Senate and House. There's ERC, there's HSS oversight, let's have some conversation with those committees. We bring these secretaries in to talk about a whole range of issues let's talk about this one. >> Are any of your Republican colleagues on board with that? >> They need to be. And I hope they'll listen to our call and more importantly listen to these citizens in their districts. >> You talk a bit about the budget amendment that you're talking about here. I mean are you recommending this, that the point of Senator Sanders [INAUDIBLE] become a maximal allowable concentration. I mean can talk a little bit with mechanics about what you're asking for here. >> What we're asking for is a standard so that we can hold an [INAUDIBLE] accountable. Right now we don't have that. [BLANK_AUDIO] Dr. Williams has told me directly and I know others as well that he's waiting to find out what comes out in December from the EPA I guess they will be releasing some finding perhaps in December. We'll be waiting, worth waiting until December to see what the National
recommendation on [INAUDIBLE] is .Is that in itself wrong? Well - >> We've waited long enough. >> Ask these two women, >> Yeah >> you've seen how they have to fix the breakfast for their sons, how they have to brush their teeth, >> I think that went well - >> [CROSSTALK]>> yeah >> we'll wait till December? >> I think the fact that we've been waiting over a year now without any answers has been long enough. Waiting till December, maybe that would have made sense if the hadn't have rescinded the letters. While waiting you'll have continued to protect us, you give us a little bit of protection in April, 2015 and that was never the problem. I know a lot of people think that was the problem, but that wasn't the problem. Ask any of these people who own a well, who are in this situation, we were thankful for those do not drink letters. That gave us at least the information to let us know that we should be trying to take precautions and my two small children don't cook meals now using the water from the faucet. This is how it's impacted us in so many ways so with the rescinding of the letters, that made no sense and now you wanna say, well we're gonna get him new information in December. Then why did you take the protection away? Because you had pressure on you? When did it become acceptable in this state to ignore a mother's cry or help to protect her children? When did that become acceptable? No one can answer that. So no I don't agree with waiting until December because you took the protection away. It made no sense. There was nothing different done to my well. My water was contaminated yesterday, today and it will be tomorrow when I wake up. Nothing has changed. The only thing that changed was the level of protection that we were receiving from the state. That's it. That's the only thing that changed was the protection. >> Anybody got a question? >> Do you really know though if there's a connection between Duke ash ponds and your wells or not and there haven't been any health problems so far? Is that right? >> Well some would disagree with that. There are illnesses. No the state has not come out and said definitely that this is coming from Duke. Duke continues to say that it's not coming from them, but again this is a known violator, the polluter. This is who is saying that. That's who is saying that it's not coming from them. And you know what, they can say naturally occurring every single day, but I would ask you, how is an unlined, leaking coal ash pit that contains toxic contaminants. How is that natural? That seeps in my ground water right behind where I live. There is nothing natural about that. You cannot argue that. >> I wanted to ask you, you were talking about protection from the state, during the time you had these letters was providing bottled water to you? >> Yes, Ma'am. They have provided bottled water. >> Have they stopped doing that? >> They are still providing the bottled water and we are very grateful for that bottled water. Very thankful for that. I thank them, but again I am sick of living this way. This was not something, this was not my action that caused this But yet I'm the one having to leave this way because of actions from others. Who lives like this? Our homes are full of stacks of water that we're very grateful for. But we didn't ask for this, we did nothing wrong. Absolutely nothing wrong but get we're the one to have to deal with this. And the state continues to say that they are waiting for more information from Duke/g . It's time. [BLANK_AUDIO] [LAUGH] >> I want to [INAUDIBLE]. >> I'm in I'm at the book plan. You know it's been over six decades, Duke energy has been dumping this toxic trash in an unlined pit. Before 1956 as far as I understand Duke energy can not provide anything, any kind of record of what they've done with that coal ash between 1926 when that plant was built to 1956. If they have, they're not putting it out there for anybody to know. We know one time they were dumping in the Yadkin River. These people, they dug up here and I'm sure back in the 50's when they dug that first pit,
that pit schedule, I'm sure they done it by some kind of regulation But I've been told that there was no regulation at the time. That pit has seat down there for over 60 years, that largest pit. There were homes right there by that pit. I had to lam/g when I found out about this in April 2015, when got that letter. I had to educate myself on how water contaminates a community, how I actually share my water with my neighbors water, I had to learn that. I had to understand how wells work and how the pump of a well draws from everywhere. I had to learn that. Duke Energy knows what is in that water down there, they know it. I have personally, Amy Brown and I weren't here last week. We personally met with Tom Rudolph and several people. I held up this letter to him, I said Sir I want to go line by line. I want some answers, nobody I've talked to tower Diggs/g, I've talked to Burt, I've talked to several people, nobody can seem to get the answers. Who are we? We decided, we decided that your well water was safe to drink, we are just now starting to understand from Doctor Davies deposition who we are. And we are not the Department of health within his own department. [BLANK_AUDIO] This is what Randolph William said to me when I called him, he said this man [INAUDIBLE]. This is what the updated information was. We told him last week, this is not updated the information. There is a map in this from 1976, I was like in middle school. They say we've got new updated information extends study, I said sir, so where is that at? They cannot provide it because it is not there. We have been lied to, now the state is gonna continue another 18 months to allow Duke Energy to try to patch something out. Well you know what, if Duke Energy was doing their job they would be replacing these pipes all along, they would have been taking care of their pits but they have not, and our governor is gonna allow that to continue to happen [BLANK_AUDIO] It's their trash. >> I have a quick question so- >> Oh I'm sorry Rose [CROSSTALK] >> Just to sorta give me an idea, how are you using the water? So like you're drinking it, you're cooking with it, what about bathing, showering, I mean you can inhale a lot- [CROSSTALK] >> And they shouldn't get the vanadium too. >> I got that. Okay so again breakfast starts with bottled water that's how we prepare all of their meals now. So if you wanna fix spaghetti, macaroni and cheese you name the meal and I'll tell you how many bottles you're gonna need. Typically we use about four to five for dinner, you go through about four with brushing your teeth, breakfast again is just one, and that's just with the normal everyday things that we do. Now bathing, I have small children and that is a big concern of mine and I remember I asked, back in April 2015, about bathing, especially my children that's where my concern is, I was told it was safe to bathe my children but I would ask you what mother feels comfortable bathing her children in water that has been said to be unsafe to ingest? So for my children, my oldest, it's a very quick shower. For my youngest, who was two at the time, now three there is no place playtime, bubble baths, all of that because of his mother's concerns for his exposure [BLANK_AUDIO] They say that the vanadium in our water, we've got hexavalent chromium and vanadium, I have been told time and time again by Duke Energy and by the state that the vanadium levels in my water are equivalent to an adult multivitamin pill. I would ask you would you give an adult multivitamin pill to a two year old child? No, you wouldn't. And when you did give you child a vitamin, a flint stone vitamin, then you are doing it because you know you're doing it. I cannot control what I did not know was in my water. Vitamins are produced in some type of regulated facility somewhere. Someone is overlooking those vitamins. Who is regulating what's coming out of my
faucet. City water. Thank you. So you wanna compare our private wells to city water. Well I would ask you how is that fair. How are you gonna send me a letter telling me that my water is just as safe or safer than city water. City water can be monitored, tested daily and things can be added to that. I cannot do that with my well. I don't have that ability. That is not fair to put us in a category of city water, especially now that we know, I know what all the levels are in all the cities. They are nowhere near our levels. Absolutely nowhere near our levels. And where I live in Belmont, in the facility that is next to me is a The Allan Sting station, the City of Belmont's water had zero non-detectable hexavalent chromium. Yes, I do think that would give me peace of mind. Knowing a zero versus a 2.2, what mother wouldn't? >> Can you talk a little bit about the community you live in and is everyone getting bottled water from Duke or how [INAUDIBLE] >> So bottled water when we found out our water was contaminated in April 2015, I immediately got on the phone and because of where I am located and because there is in question the coal ash ponds. I immediately got on the phone asking Duke to provide me with bottled water. This went on for weeks. They have me communicating with someone here in Raleigh, I'm in Belmont. They have me communicating with a gentleman here in Raleigh who kept telling me that they're working on it. That they're trying to work things out, that they don't know yet when until finally, May 7th 2015 was on the phone with this gentleman who works at Duke Energy and I told him, that I'd had it I'm done. It didn't matter to me what everyone else said or thought, from me and my family, you have until the end of the day to have your boss in Charlotte give me a call Someone who can actually do something, and I was sitting on the battlefield that very night and that gentleman did call me. We talked a little bit, he said his side, I said my side, he shared his concerns, I shared mine. But it ended where you have until Monday morning, to have water delivered to my home. May 11th, Monday, 2015, the very first delivery of water pulled up into my neighborhood. Not everyone received that water, my neighbors walked out to the street thinking they were gonna get water. But they didn't because they were not on a list. >> Do you know how many people are on that list? >> We have about 200 in Belmont. >> And I think in South Rift above plant we have about 60 or 70 families that are now receiving water. >> Is that all people that have just directly contacted Duke like you all- >> They have heard their wells tested. >> Okay. >> There are people that did not respond and did not have their wells tested at that time that was the in-surge of after everything broke in April 2015. I didn't wanna hear that [UNKNOWN] and then we've got something else we've got to get to the bottle water, after Tom Rudolph got up and said something about [UNKNOWN] water is as safe as city water. The bottle water came up, the very bottled water that is being delivered to this people by Duke Energy is the same as the water coming out of their wells. He made that comment twice once in Lee County and I think at a legislative update meeting January 8, and that was a flat out lie. Coca Cola bottling now we're getting Nestle, but before we were getting Coca Cola bottling I called Coca Cola Bottling out of Atlanta, Georgia. I know from Duke Energy's representatives, Amy and I met with them about two weeks ago. They're top people, they told us that Coca Cola bottlers bought their water from Charlotte, Mecklenburg which has a zero detection for hexavalent chromium. And on the bottle of water, and I think on Nestle too it does say it is purified by reverse osmosis.
So yeah, this water does not have what we have in our wells. So after that fell through, it's like we're waiting on the next lie to come from our state trying to cover why it's okay for us to drink our water and we know it is not. Hey, guys. This is Duke Energy's trash. It is not my trash. I shouldn't have to pay to clean it up. You shouldn't have to pay to clean it up either. It's their trash they've been dumping it down there for 60 years. >> [CROSSTALK] >>Tyler and [INAUDIBLE] >> , real quick, I wanna go back to the budget amendment. You mentioned that the [UNKNOWN] sounds like y'all are gonna push or a standard for hexavalent chromium maybe vanadium. In terms of the language of the budget amendment and given the timetable we all have and the short session, what is it you all are gonna be asking for? A study are you gonna push him for a specific standard, doesn't seem like there's a lot of time to get that number around. I'm just curious about the process here. With my colleagues, we don't have a practical language yet but I think the number is fairly well set So- >> are you talking about 0.07? >> Yeah >> Because that would make it the most restrictive limit in the country many times more than California's Ten Parts Wrigley's Standard. >> Be a leader, and if I could, I wanted to actually - >> On that note I wanted to respond to John's question about waiting on the EPA, the EPA promised collaterals after the Kingston - Tennessee spill the next year and it took them three more years, so I think we can't rely on the fact that they will have that center established by the end of December and even if they do they will inevitably be pushed back from congress and Industry. So I think that's why the state needs to act on it soon. >> Let me ask why the EPA hasn't updated water in over 25 years, 25 years. >> Would you be satisfied, would you be happy if Duke extended municipal water lines to your homes? >> [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGH] >> I think running city water through us would give us peace of mind. I think most people would agree with that and that would have been just wonderful if that had have happened a year ago but now that we've had to fight you Duke Energy and the site, beg for protection, this has created a bigger problem than just the water now. Now there is the stigma, that is not going away tomorrow. As a mother, I have parents of my child's friend, tell me that they don't want their children eating or drinking anything from my home. That's not going to wait tomorrow. That's the stigma that is now on us just one of them. That's just one example of what we're having to deal with. I- >> We're/g taking care of it, you've got municipal water wouldn't it? >> That would be one Yes, but I've had to fight for it for a whole year and the point is you need to clean it up, you need to clean it up. Those ponds don't need to be kept in place, it's like taking an old house, putting [UNKNOWN] on it, looks really pretty on the outside but the inside is still that broken down house that needs a lot of repair work. And it's back there, it's right behind us. >> Scrambling that would be satisfactory municipal water? >> We do want that, we need clean water but we also need cleanup. That stuff is not going away, it's been there, it continues to contaminate. That keeping/g in place does nothing. I know at Buck we've got over 170 acres of toxic waste sitting down there that continues to leak tens of thousands of gallons of toxic waste leaks everyday from the Buck's side. There's nothing down there, these pits are just earth, they're made up by dykes made of earth. There's nothing down there. continues to leak, which is evidence Duke was just sited again the 1st of March with I think 11 out of the 12 are leaking, they continue to leak. Duke does not take care of them, that is why we're in this situation, that is what happened at the damn river yet a pipe burst, They'd have got down there, asked Duke what now twice for $5,000 to fix that pipe. I guarantee you Duke would have given 29,000 now because of the aftermath that has happened, it's opened our eyes. We want it cleaned up, we want clean water but we want the pits gone, we want it cleaned up. Be a leader I've heard Tom Rudolph say North Carolina is leading the nation in coal ash. South Carolina [INAUDIBLE] I don't even know if you could drive a car in South Carolina have coal ash in your pocket. They have has [INAUDIBLE], their state has done and protected the people and every time something something here comes up here in North Carolina It is held by back, it is fought against,
for our protection. And look who's in that safety, and look at the protection they've given. >> Thank you. We'll be available for questions I think Amie Debra have got another appointment in a few minutes, if you have any questions thank you for coming. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO]