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House | May 11, 2016 | Chamber | House Session Transportation

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[BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [SOUND] Good morning [INAUDIBLE] committee to order, it's time to start. We've got the committee [UNKNOWN] we actually might have one. Let me be the one to start, the information meeting and I would like to welcome our pages first. We have [UNKNOWN] Wake county, sponsored by Representative Paul Stam, most Scotch name I've heard in a while, Kembal and Lawson, [INAUDIBLE] like two warring. >> [LAUGH] >> Also Cody Brown equally interesting name Cody Brown Harnett county sponsored by Representative Sayers Stephens. And always I'm aware of sergeant-at-arms David Laten, Joel Osteen, Bill/g Cracker, and [INAUDIBLE]. spell her name like Star Wars, right? I've been told. >> [LAUGH] >> So. [LAUGH] There's one way of getting information. In case [INAUDIBLE] this before. The presenters have [INAUDIBLE] them to be very concise presentations and We have six presentations of available information and we'll have to a lot do with our budget provisions in the end. So got commission on vehicles, part of doing this [INAUDIBLE] is up first. >> Thank you sir. thank you chair members. I would like to say thank you upfront for your support in the past, and because of your support today we have accomplished more than 340,000 online drivers licences renewals. Saving the citizens of North Carolina 17000 hours by having not to go a DMV office. We have mobile offices deployed in three districts today servicing seven more stops than we did last year to include several assisted living care facilities. The state wide average wait time today I'll talk about at our offices and what I'm asking for your support And again hope that I've answered most of your questions through this demonstration of the slide. >> Last year I asked for your support for the time limited positions for the 1779 the tax and tag bill. The tax and tag has continued to provide success I think if you ask DOR what is the amount of taxes recovered for each county, it is a significant improvement over the years. But the calls have not decreased, the calls have stopped. So I'm asking to retain the 44 time related positions and make them permanent now. As I described last year the calls went down I'd be glad to remove the call center agents, but the calls have not gone down. And so today I have an abandoned rate still calls that I cant get to. The average wait time for an abandoned call is at a three minute mark. The current customer call center wait time average for all calls is Is 4 minutes and 40 seconds. Because of time limited I have a high turnover rate approximately 35%. And so today 50 days before these position expire I have four vacancies that cannot fill because of there time limited. Drivers licence examiner staff augmentation. This is an attempt to put an examiner in each work station. Most of you like myself when I show up at a retail or a Walmart for example and their is 20 cash registry. but only two of them are open. I have a feeling that I'm not being serviced very well as a consumer. Same thing happens at a drivers licences office I have vacant workstation. The workstations are vacant based on a 45 hour work week today. Many of the officers that went to extend hours Standard hour of a 54-hour work week and with this augmentation, I'm asking to go to a 60-hour work week for those districts three

and six and every work station through the whole opening periods of the operations. Therefore every citizen will be serviced. So if it's five workstations all five will be filled at the same time. If you look at the Delta/g, the delta/g in district three and district six is a total of 95 augmentees. This price figure is based on a personal services contract not a state-employee. [BLANK_AUDIO] DMV outreach for every step you change, I have the responsibility of informing the public of what that information is. For example, single-sticker online renewal driver's license, moped registration, moped insurance, voter ID All those things mobile offices, all those things become the responsibility of me to inform the public. I don't have a budget to do that with. If she end up publishing any officer will take a public release information and ask that they put it out in writing or put it out in media. The rest of the time I use other folks to do that. Here's another best example, this last month we were able to establish mobile office driver's license operations in Plymouth North Carolina. This was a site that we had to close services over a year ago because it just wasn't, we weren't able to get the Legacy Mobile Unit there, and re-establishing those services back to the public with a good media information campaign. We regained a great stand in the Plymouth issue with more than 50 issuances per visit and that is exactly Other What we wanna do. I need your help to do that outreach program. The last subject is called the medical review program. I don't know how many people in this office or in this room have enrolled in the medical review program. In the State, there's a little over 350,000 citizens enrolled in the medical review program A pending lawsuit last year, we were able to form four committees that were broken down into training, medical review guide, communications and statute changes. With those committees and the support of the Disability Rights Advocates, we were able to map a way ahead that That included statute changes, medical review guide changes, training to our examiners have included disabilities, how to recognize them and how to assist on road tests. And because of that work and those committee works this is what is going to take to reform the medical review program. At this time, I'll open it Questions chair or? Wait. >> Thank you sir. >> We'll take questions after each presentation if the committee has any. >> Okay, I had one question that was on my mind before you started presenting. I understand the temporary call center to pay for, you had 60 and now it's got back to 45 and you're asking to make that 45 permanent, that's right? Okay.>> Yes sir. When the bill was passed in 13 or it was started in 13. We had 60 time under the positions, I let those 60 dwindle down to 44 Those were the mission-essential positions, yes sir. >> And the question will also come up, that what about eliminating some of those in case of future legislation, they shouldn't be permanent or stand as a retirement factor also that can be reduced Thank you sir, the current vacancy rate across the DMV for 1500 positions is 8%. So if there's an attrition figure there are positions available monthly that employees could transition to. And again, the purpose of the call center agent, they can either answer vehicle services, tax And tags, medical review programs, driver's license issuance or liability insurance. So they answer a lot of calls. >> I want to call the commissioner for the close training which has taken place in the last few years. >> [INAUDIBLE] Our long lost staff member Anna Cameroon who was somewhere in Europe last few weeks or months and has moved back to the western Hemisphere this, or is that the western hemisphere I'm not sure. It's good to have her back. She certainly dint have a vacation mood I understand. Okay next is the director division of [INAUDIBLE AUDIO] miss Lauren Blackburn Welcome.

>> [BLANK_AUDIO] Good morning and thank you. Thank you. The budget includes expansion request for the bicycle and pedestrian division which specifically address bicycle safety. Bicycle safety has been a very hot topic over the last year and it has certainly become an issue that we know we need to do more around the educating the public And cyclists around best practices for being safer on the road. So this would help accomplish that. It would also help support a very successful safety campaign that we've been managing for the last years called Watch For ENC. The campaign i state-wide, works in every 25 different communities across Across the state to help educate the public around bicycle pedestrian and motorist safety issues. Also help train law enforcement and their standing when help support than on going as our federal funds have been supporting it in the past when they've longer been available. And that is it, so I can take any questions. Chairman Tom/g >> Thank you Mr. Chair. What exactly does the program look like that if you just give me an example. We're talking about advertising? Are they going to the schools? I am just not familiar with the program. >> Sure. Good question. It's all of those So, it does a few key things. One is again, we work with law enforcement, we train them, we have a one day training with law enforcement to help them understand the law, so that they can enforce the law as more efficiently in their community. Another substantial part of it is advertising purchases. So we purchase external trends of advertising I think billboard advertising and other multi medium advertising to transmit very specific messages around bicycle and pedestrian safety. So that's a core part of the campaign as well and then we also purchase safety collateral items that law enforcement use to share with the community so that they know more about what the law says so they can be safe Safer when they are walking and biking. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Any questions from the committee? Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] Next up, Director of Public Transportation Division or transit as I like to call it. Mr. David Combs. >> [COUGH] Thank you. It's good to be with you this morning. I wanna talk a little bit about the Public Transportation Division in general. We, for your support, have public transportation in all 100 counties in North Carolina. We provide that service with traditional services Delivery models, there's the Americans with Disabilities Act Complimentary Para-transit, The band response Para-transit, Deviated Fixed Route, Fixed Route Transit and Fixed Guide way. So those are service delivery models that are used in these communities. In fiscal year, 16 of Our funding that was distributed just to NCDOT was, 16% of it is used for administration, 39% for capital and 49% for operating, and these are federal and state funds. So to our budget request, first of all to support multi-county rule transit systems and to consolidated in regional systems is a $2 million increase for this budget year. And the intent for this is to be an incentive but the rationale is that with Net 21 funding, we'd We do off to about $3.5 million that we manage at the state level in elderly and disabled transportation funding and so this would help in those communities with that. It would be operational fund so it will be a 50:50 match and it will support for new service and for employment and education and it could also be used for leveraging other funds. [BLANK_AUDIO] The second request is about the change in census. So, with the 2010 census, we had a major shift in North Carolina between urban and rural population, and with that, there was a change in the funding program on the Federal side and some of those earlier to you, but this request is to increase by 2 million the Urban State Maintenance Assistance Program that's operating assistance that we've been providing since the transit 2001 strategic plan and it shows that a 3 million decrease in that funding since 2008. we've had six and a half million decrease ion total programmatic funding since 2008. So this would help add money back to that. There are 24 systems that current;y receive that funding for fixed

route support and this is asking to be able to renew funding formula that we will work on to provide funding to eight systems that are also our communities that are also maybe eligible for the funding. Thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Okay. Questions from the [INAUDIBLE] >> Thank you Mr. Chair. The $3.6 million reduction on the rural side What was the cause of that? >> The change of population in that 21 so the money no longer came through in TDOT, it went directly to the 11 large users, was just a shift in how the funding came in North Carolina. >> For one question. So that federal money that used to come to the rural but now goes to the urban? >> Yes. >> Aside, okay and so how much is that part of the shifting that's moving for these new areas that have become part of the urban that part of the requests, Part of that urban request? >> Partially, but they're a little bit different environment, yes sir. But it's partially in our request. >> Got you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Further questions? >> Okay. >> Representative [UNKNOWN] very quiet today. So far. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> [LAUGH] >> Okay. I'll be happy to have enough money shipped from the urban areas back to the rural areas so that we can make it harder for Representative time to get to my district. >> [LAUGH] >> [INAUDIBLE] is that [INAUDIBLE] after next year [LAUGH] It comes in time. >> That my get the most support of anything proposed over the last couple of years. >> Probably from the [INAUDIBLE] county delegation. Okay, there's serious subject, division of regulation by Joel Osteen >> Thank you Mr. Chairman and members if the committee, good morning? >> Good morning. >> Thank you for your support in aviation in North Carolina in our airports and airport system. Happy to be before you today and thanks for your time on this. [BLANK_AUDIO] Okay I'll start out with a pretty large effort that was recently completed, the governors North Carolina aviation development task force. Many of you have heard a presentation on this a couple of months ago but a lot of, there were 19 members involved in this so it was a executive order that was signed back Back in 2014 and really focused as you can see here and the deliverable was basically a report to the secretary of transportation for how can North Carolina better enhance the state's aviation programs. So the findings have two slides on this, the findings and recommendations but you can see the findings here real point out here was the funding is far less than needs. Needs have evolved, there was recognition that several funds were dwindling with competing funds, with next gen systems as well as some of the news that you all probably seen with privatization of air traffic control. But FAA is a spending a lot of money, a lot of the airport's money is going more to people and to resources. So there's a dwindling going on there as well as a lot of effort and work was done on revenue that's being generated in their state as a result of these airports 915, 911 to $915 million annually are resulting in state and local tax revenue, payroll taxes all the way through everything from rental car taxes to good and services taxes, sales taxes on that and so a lot of recognition in the revenue that's being generated. Because of the airports so that kind of transitions into economic impact and really talking about return on investment about that amount of money that we the state are putting into our airports versus what's being generated. And some recognition there that there's no real advocacy group that's working in that area Military, the findings there was North Carolina as you all know very we're already doing a lot to retain and recruit and support our vets. There's a tremendous amount of activity at all 72 airports and this was an interesting poll that we did, but all of our airports support our military and training and various Various operations. So even all the way down to the smallest airports I don't out on the outer banks, we see military activity. So it's kind of interesting there. And then lastly was looking at the Division of Aviation DOA processes.

There was recognition that it is pretty complicated to take an expense state and Federal funds and some things that we could do is what they're looking at in terms of staffing, and more effective communication. So the recommendations are kind of following those same four areas. Funding was basically to look at some type of tax recovery and re-investment into our airports and more sustainable funding stream. Economic opportunities, the community college system is a great opportunity. They are a great example that is over at Greensboro at Piedmont International where [INAUDIBLE]. Of course we know there's a very successful company, but so far, they've already hired out of their 1700 plus employees. Employees. 300 of them have come from Guilford Tech Community College. So, that community college, that the aviation program is directly supporting industry right there in the airport. But more work in that area for everything from aircraft ops through maintenance in our community college programs. Some pretty robust programs going on now, but some enhancements in those areas as well as looking at some more effective ways that our commerce folks could be doing marketing in our state for our aviation industry. And then we were already doing some support to some of the military databases again just leveraging already the strong presence that we have of our military in aviation some things that we could do better to support those efforts. And then lastly in our agency, couple of things that we're already doing, but one thing here is creating an aviation commission you may recall. A few years ago there was an aeronautics counsel that existed that oversaw A program where we currently report directly to the North Carolina Board of Transportation, but this could sort out a couple of purposes as an advocacy role, but also be an oversight commission. And then training is a big one and we've already embarked in this area to provide training to all levels of government. These airports are not state assets, they're local governments so some more effective training to the local government to help leverage the knowledge base across all boards. There's some real opportunity in that area and then lastly is this working group. We have an airport's working group now that has given a lot of things to help Streamline and improve our process to make it a little more effective, because typically a person that's overseeing the airport at the local government level is wearing mini hats. And so this gives him a chance to kind of get a more streamlined way to work and interface with our office for support. So here is what In the governors budget the one item in there for state aid airport in this increase 1.54 million dollars recurring, and this goes directly in line to support the effort of the task force. So you can see you probably have seen that in the governors budget. So that would do for us this is just a historical slide for you, and state fiscal years. So in 16 and 17 you can see where we are at we got receive 38.2 million in 16 and 17 we were slated for 33.3. And so this would increase us by 1.5 million dollars. And at the left lower corner you can see where that 1.5 it would directly to the air force by way of airport grants. And support some of our statewide airport programs. We have a very robust statewide airport safety preservation of maintenance program where we managed the contracts to go and do direct work. So it does not have to o any local contract or through any kind of firms what we contracted out to private contractors to do the work. So that's our two biggest program just about 90% of our funds go directly to the airports to support them. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> Mr. Chairman, with that, that's my comments. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> [INAUDIBLE] Martin. >> Thank you Mr. Chair. A couple questions on the passports recommendations. >> Yes sir. >> And if you wanna tell me just to go back and read it and get back with you. I won't be offended but you had mentioned some training that was necessary could you elaborate in who needs to be trained on what? >> Yes as I mentioned many levels of government as far as size and municipalities or counties sometimes the airports authorities so it's quite diverse and this kind of training goes anywhere from how high you should mow the grass because airports have lots of grass and that attracts wildlife to the requirements and grant

assurances. They come with your federal state money that when you receive a dollar federal money you are obligating yourself for 20 years to keep that airport open to the public keep it safe. Keep your poachers clear of any obstruction and trees. So it's training at all levels training at the finance level training at the management level, training at maintenance personal level. Whether it goes on but it's just real hit or miss and where the resources are so we teamed up with NC state. The institute for research and education informed an airport technical assistance model much after the local government training program model much after the local government training program. To it's not for profit or anything. It's minimal cost, it can And typically includes lunch and we can cover many many items. We had the inaugural session last month, and it was a big hit. One example of last month's training was they relied heavily on private consulting to do any technical design work and so we went through the process of how to go through a request for qualifications and step through that you have to advertise you have to select based on qualification in any kind of engineering services. So we gave training a round that for the an oval session and we got a lot of good reviews on that. >> Another question Mr. Chair talking about working the usage of our state's airports. Will that take the form of greater usage by the North Carolina Air National Guard and Army National Guard Aviation or also [INAUDIBLE] So, what does that look like? >> It's primarily more towards the state's assets and the National Guard. That's who we see mostly through [INAUDIBLE] drug interdiction and training Wayne County [INAUDIBLE] the black hawks and the RDU has the apaches on army side and then Charlotte Douglas has a C130 and down at Stanley county they have a training side. But they train and do touching goals/g and do all kinds of operation many of this junior ports. We see a lot of western airports supporting drug interdiction and sometimes search and rescue with snow storms, things like that but again we see across the aboard. I'd say the predominance is national guard but we also see training at active duty and reserve Global Transport down in [INAUDIBLE] is one of the primary touching go areas to shoot the approaches from air force one. So we see air force one down there all the time. >> One more question [INAUDIBLE] also on the task force's recommendation. On the contribution you talked about additional tax exception on military income beyond the scope just to this Committee, but if that mainly aimed at tax exemptions on retired military income and or also the active [INAUDIBLE] >> I think that was more focused at any opportunity for exemption like aviation fuel, tax on aviation fuel or tax on purchases- >> [INAUDIBLE] additional taxes income on military income I'll go back and read it. >> Okay sure. >> Thank you you Mr Chair. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> Thank you Chairman thanks t\for the report I'd like to offer a friendly amendment to the responsibilities of the task force I think it's crucial this time that we incorporate in that task force, it leads with the help of [INAUDIBLE] through information or being a conduit to let these airports regardless of the sizes go, to make them more Are aware of the economic potential they all have to areas that they are located in. I think far too often, we looked at the non commercial, not as economic agents/g that are vital to their communities that they serve. And I think that if we can raise that situational awareness that they are vital economic interests and help the local maximize that aspect, and I'd like to see that incorporated in the task force as you [INAUDIBLE] and good will to our [INAUDIBLE] >> One comment I'll make Representative Torbett in report two he does talk about the fact that the land is there a lot of the infrastructure is already there. So there is opportunity for industrial development aviation related it this airports that the infrastructure is in place. It's relatively inexpensive so that is one thing it does mention in here but I hear what you're saying saying about the other recognition. >> Senator [INAUDIBLE]. >> Thank you Mr Chair and on your slide 19 which shows the graph for funding just for the committees knowledge on last year we out 11 and a half million and recurring.

This year, it automatically goes up 12 and a half. To 12 ans a half million recurring. And then part of that is, we did two projects in the budget of 5.5 million to get those projects moving and out the door. So that's recurring and non-recurring for that project. We are ramping up the aviation spending as we go along before the request. >> Can I have one more request and you mentioned the tax revenue impact of 900 million I believe. My local airport director says his economic impact not tax revenue economic impact is gone from 8 million to 125 million the last 15 or 20 years. You have the study of the economic impact of this airports. >> Yes sir so counting out pretty nicely with the governor's task force, we had embarked in an update from the 2012 economic impact study to last year. We studied all 72 airports and so it went from 26 billion to $31 billion of all 72 airports, that's about 4 billion from the general aviation airports and 27 billion from the commercial service so it's tremendous, total of about 123,000 jobs and I'd say primarily the increase is, we did a better job, we don't put anything in the economic impact study that's not hard founded in the surveys and from industry and business tied to it so we did a better job communicating the effort of the study and I'd say we're just under-represented four years ago so 31 billion is the big take-away. 123,000 jobs and that's where we got the 900 plus million in tax revenue. >> Further questions? Thank you very much. >> Yes sir. [INAUDIBLE] I believe Chief Engineer Mike Holder will be up next and senate department for [INAUDIBLE] or something. >> [LAUGH] Thank you Mr. Chairman, core chairs, members of the committee, thank you for your support of highways in the past and thank you for the opportunity to come before you today to present the three expansion items for highways and the governor's budget. First of all I wanna talk about secondary maintenance spending, as you know these funds are utilized for the purposes of routine maintenance on the secondary system. They enable us our maintenance forces and contract forces do activities such as pothole patching, guard rubber repairs, litter clean up, ditching, shoulder reconstruction, a myriad of activities, both planned and unplanned on the 56,000 Miles of secondary system in North Carolina. A special request for secondary maintenance is 17 and a half billion dollars which will bring the 2017 fiscal year total to $302.8 million request for secondary maintenance. we will use this funds to go towards further reaching our target conditions for our maintenance assets on the secondary system as well as doing repairs and maintenance activities on the bridges as well as the secondary highway system. I'll talk I'll talk about roadside litter and debris removal funding. As you're aware there's a $10 million expansion request in the governor's budget for earmarking to put the provision in for litter removal. You may ask why is litter a problem. Well litter is a problem because it mars the repair of our roads sides. We got a tremendous amount of calls over the past three months relevant to two litter highways of North Carolina especially on out inter states and our major four lane divided US highways. Out right the product that we maintain and produce a lot throughout the state A lot of interstates, I've been out east on US70, US64, US264 and litter was becoming a chronic problem on those particular routes. And we got together recently and came up with some different strategies about how to attack the problem. This is a graphic that shows Shows all the litter removal efforts that we have ongoing throughout the state right now. I'll talk about them in more detail in just a minute. But the Adopt a Highway, Sponsor Highway, our litter removal contracts which are our private offenders, our partnership with the Department of Safety and of course NCDOT forces Do litter removal also. Adopt a highway started in 1998 as a program.

Currently in 2015, we have almost 4800 groups that have adopted sections of highway. Our data shows that adopt a highway groups pick up about Three and a half million pounds of litter off of highways on an annual basis which saves the department and the tax payers almost $4.5 million worth of expense. Our goal this year in 2016 is to up our program to 6000 groups that are picking up litter on sections of highway. Adopt a highway to highway covers about 11,000 roadway miles through the state. Our sponsor highway program, I notice going up and down ID5 and I40 that more and more of this signs are showing up on the sponsor highway program. Is initiated in 2011 as a pilot program it went statewide ion October of last year and there's 102 segments currently in place across the state. Saves $300 per segment per clean up with an angle savings on $3600 or $460,000 per year or having to do with other methods. DOT's goal here is to To continue to grow this public private partnership, continue to get the private entities to adopt or sponsor more highway sections to do pickup on this particular sections. Currently with our 103 sections we cover 131 road miles. These are on inter states. our contracts for litter removal round one was out inter state initiative. We contracted approximately $300 million to cover all inter state routes for contract litter pick up in North Carolina. And some major routes in and division one and two since they currently don't have inter state Our coverage is 1358 miles of roadway. We awarded the contracts and our contractors are removing almost 1000 pounds of litter every week off the interstates, tremendous amount of trash out there. Our primary initiative which is around Around too, which will be facilitated by the $10 million of litter expansion, this is what we have proposed. And this is gonna address other four lane majorly majorly traveled highways throughout the state. It'll provide covers to 5400 miles across the state and our long term goal Goal was transition all the mowing contracts in the divisions to have a provision in them for litter pickup prior to the mowing cycle beginning. We also have a strong partnership with the division of prisons. We recently have had several meetings with the division Prisons to talk about a new paradigm for prisoners picking up litter. We have come to an agreement with them based on an idea that they provided to us to use minimum security, non gun crews to expand the coverage to DPS on On our highways. So in the areas where prisons exist and there's not nearly as many prisons now as there was even five, eight years ago. With also they're downsides consolidated, we're gonna work with DPS to look at about a hour radius within those prisons to Target roadways within that concentric circle so they can provide the best value and the best coverage in those areas to supplement our contracts and our other volunteer forces. So that's where I'm going, it's under production and we're actively working with the DPS best personnel in the state to initiate that. >> I believe that [INAUDIBLE] has a question on this. >> Carry on gentleman, I don't want to drag us from transportation into the ability to carry or not carry guns but you kinda caught my interest when you said you're gonna have inmates out collecting litter and they're gonna be [COUGH] over by non-gun carrying, I don't understand that. >> What you saw previously were gun carriers, [CROSSTALK] yes sir. Those were the medium security inmates so the auto crews as they call them and DPS jargon is the minimum security inmates which are low risk inmates. >> And have they been used before? >> They've been used before, some, they supplement our maintenance forces, a lot to do flagging work and help us supplement our crews for maintenance work, they still do that but are gonna concentrate their efforts though we will be able to expand the opportunity to the inmate population to be able to go out and do this job,

through he course of this program. >> So the department, I'm sorry Mr. Chairman but BPF has no issue or concern about putting would you say, medium, whatever grade inmates on the road with the DPS guards, for lack of a better term, old school, being out there without being armed? >> Yes sir, I've had several conversations with George Salman who is the director of prisons and he is confident that this is a very good way to utilize the minimum security inmate's time, they are also looking not only in using minimum prisons but female inmates in the minimum security status to go out and pick up litter. >> [INAUDIBLE] would it be a state assumption when you say guns, what I get you to mean is, lethal devices but they would still probably carry none lethal devices such as stun guns, or taizzers/g, something along those lines? >> I'm actually not qualified to comment on what equipment a minimum security guard carries but I'd assume that it's adequate to protect the public and protect themselves. >> Mr. Chairman just [INAUDIBLE] thank you. >> And interesting Answer a bit of program is that George Solomon has told me that a lot of the men security inmates that do this activity , they end up getting jobs with the contractors who were picking up litter on NCDOT two broad ways so it's a great prison to work program. That's another benefit of it cuz it decreases [INAUDIBLE] back into the system, it gives the inmates as they transition back into civil life something to do. >> Excuse me Mr. Chairman if I may respond. I think there are obvious positives but I see a few negatives as well. [INAUDIBLE] >> I guess the answer will be in details of what they actually carry. On the subject [INAUDIBLE] >> Yes sir, thank you Mr. Chairman, first of all I think we need to get Chairman Tobert out there on a fact finding mission to pick up the trash himself. Senator who is currently paying the bill? Is this our committees money that's paying these bills or is it public safety? >> For the litter pick up it was CDAT Highways, it's the departments so that's your committee. It's the DOT. >> And what the current thinking on the cost of having an inmate do it versus some alternative method? >> Inmates obviously are cheaper especially minimum security because you got one guard that goes out with a crew of about 13 to 15 inmates but you have to strategically look at the location of the prisons and their ability to cover and then also their exposure also relative to interstates of four lane divided high speed facilities so it's a multi facaded Approach to the business of picking up litter, but you have to leverage your assets and your dollars to the highest value, and we feel like with EPS and working in a manageable travel paradigm around these prisons will allow them to spend more time picking up litter less time travelling and more time focusing on the secondary roads or other roadways within that area. >> Yeah, Morris it's been a structure in where they have to leave facility at certain time and be back by a certain time. So the travelling is really a big issue around the facility. Okay, you wanna continue? >> Yes sir. Thank you Chairman Howard. [BLANK_AUDIO] Relative to the efforts that this DOT performs for picking up litter [INAUDIBLE] in the 2016, our forces did some routine in the emergency litter pick up where we had chronic issues we obviously pick up bags for adopted/g highways and pickup to prison [INAUDIBLE] and participate in litter sweep. Which is a two week period in every spring that each one of our crews dedicates to picking up litter. As I think many of you are aware unfortunately on the belt line two weeks ago one of our crews was picking up litter and one of our workers got hit and had a very severe injury as a result of this activity.

So with utilization of the contacts DOT forces can be directed to more safety and routine maintenance activities as opposed to doing the litter removal. [BLANK_AUDIO] This graph shows expenditure on litter removal we surveyed several other states across the nation, and you'll note the roadway miles in the system and the amount of of tax payer dollars that's spent on litter pickup. So relatively North Carolina obviously has a large system, and we spent relatively a low amount of litter removal on such a bad system. Georgia is right there with us although they maintain a whole a lot less mileage than we do. And then this is the mileage cover by all our current methods. Note the 20,000 miles are now covered by adopt highways sponsor highway. Our existing litter contracts are current realm one contracts and are contracts if we are on the primary system. If we get the additional funds for litter removal. [BLANK_AUDIO]. And lastly I want to talk about the $2.5 million expansion request that was none recurring this year 2017 for small construction funds. Small construction funds were established in 1985 to fund small projects in, and around small cities, small towns in North Carolina. There are utilized for rural and small urban roadway improvements. And also can be used for funding the hospice to public facilities, we use it for industrial access roads, and swap safety projects to cure safety issues. The appropriation last year as well as this year, we [INAUDIBLE] will be equally allocated among the 14 highway divisions with a $250 maximum per project in the division. Where do we get the projects from? We get requests from municipalities, from school systems, counties, businesses and citizens. also from some of the delegations in the state. The mechanics [INAUDIBLE] requests are sent to the division engineer, the division engineer reviews the request, prepares an estimate for the project, makes a recommendation to the chief engineer's office for [INAUDIBLE] information and then a committee reviews the request and determines approval of it and recommendation to the secretary of transportation for approval. [BLANK_AUDIO] The division as I stated performance of field inspection, gets all the documentation together, and the committee takes the recommendation to the secretary for approval of the particular projects. And this is just an example of some of the construction projects that have been accomplished across the state. The division is [UNKNOWN] expressed to me and it is a good source of funds to do small improvements, to do small safety improvements and other things That they could not do without other funding sources. So it's a good tool for them to have in their toolbox as they go about improving, and doing work on their pathway system in their particular divisions. Mr chair that concludes my presentation, I'll be glad to take questions. >> Okay Senator Tine >> Thank you Mr.Chair. Thank you for the presentation, my first question is in regards to the debris removal, my understanding is, we haven't seen that is a separate line item in the budget, and it doesn't actually exists as a budget mandated separated item. It's inside of the maintenance accounts which would receive 17.5 million under the governor's proposal. But also we're looking at 60 million plus that unless that there is any changes in the budget this time, go back into the maintenance which is one time money but it's still one time money. So you have the slide about what we've spent versus what other spend, but largely to this point that's been a decision inside the department in regards to how that money is spent, is that accurate?

Okay so just studying the understanding on the committee, we haven't been asked about this in the past. >> Yes sir. >> Okay The second thing, the follow up if I may say, thank you, on the committee that reviews the funding for the small construction, who is that committee? >> That committee is the statewide review committee, we review all small construction requests Contingency request and any other funding source economic development access request. It's made up a member myself, Keith Weatherly, Deputy secretary for transit and some other key staff members out of the secretaries office so there's five of us, internal council's on it and the chief staff used to be on it but we don't have a chief staff now but actually chief deputy Gray has participated here also so we'll review all the project documentation and then make a decision about the suitability for the project for funding. >> Follow up question So there's no DOT board participation in regard to that determination of the funding and also I'm curious to see if there's any DOT board involvement with the governor's discretionary funding as well. Now that I'm aware of Representative Tom, the division engineer receives the request for the projects and the form that will utilize, that they feel complete to make the request is signed by the division's engineer, myself the chief engineer has to sign it and then the secretary signs it, after the committee reviews it and approves it for recommendation to the secretary. >> Thank you very much. >> Representative Ford. >> Yes, why does state bond pa for the iMap sponsorship? >> Good question Representative Ford. That's sponsorship we get 850 a year I think, I will have o double check and send you that information but that's jut right off top my head, but I believe it's 850 a year for five years. >> Follow up? >> Follow up question. >> Where does the money go? >> The money goes back to the highway fund. And it helps us to [INAUDIBLE] with funding the iMap patrols so it's a business decision to put it back in our ITS, or intelligence transportation system and our operational efforts relative to assistant motors on the roadways. >> Thank you. >> Further questions? Than you very much. >> Lat but not least we have a favored subject that's on the coast, director of ferry division [INAUDIBLE] >> [INAUDIBLE] >> Okay Mr. Becker. >> But I'll be here with [INAUDIBLE] [BLANK_AUDIO] >> As Mr. Gulin said my name is Stalin Becker and technically I work for the chief engineer but I assist the ferry division, and some other units across the utility. [BLANK-AUDIO] I guess the idea we had was in regards to the capital and renovation request was where one base, same blasting shared. This building is required in order for DOT to continue meeting our storm water permit requirements, had agreement and still has an agreement with EPA, and Dinna/g or DWQ about a storm water permit for our industrial sites, a ship yard qualified to industrial site and net search A storm water pollution for vintage plan had to be developed and there were different items on that plan that had to be addressed to decrease our potential for any licks or storm water impact. The building is estimated to cost $210000 as such is related to, restore the pollution prevention plan, road side environmental unit of DOT has fund of, remediation funds to help address these items.

They've agreed to assist with 75,000 of the need so the quest is technically 435,000 to complete that funding. I'm here just an elevation drawing of the side of the building, be 14 for the clearance underneath. The medium that we're storing is a sand blasting medium, it's technically called black beauty as a synthetic product run through sand blasters to clean the tags, remove all the paints. So that they can prep it for painting and repairs. This is a front view of the building itself. Essentially the shed to the right will be used to store the new medium. There's a bit of six foot retaining wall on the left of the building and that will be used to store the spent medium which is vacuumed or swept off and kept there and disposed later at land fields. And the last few legislative was gracious enough to change some of the rules and regulation so the revenues gained the CPR could be utilized for ship yard improvements. This project is technically eligible for those funds but the funds that we do have we have a plan that has pretty much plans to address infrastructure needs that the shipyard that is committing most of those funds. We'll look at new ship yards we're doing terminal that controls the [INAUDIBLE] which is the lift series of eight cranes that lift both sides of the water, this is estimated 145,000 [INAUDIBLE] of the water tower and associated system estimated between 500 and 700,000. Additional vapor blasters which are newer type blasters to remove the paint from the building in order to prep. 35,000 each at least one ultra high pressure washer, this also is used to remove paint from the building from the boats vessels as much more high pressure and takes more effort but they are $250,000 a piece. And then new heat and HBAC units for the ship yard itself for the machine area and everything and they are estimated 100,000 each. So that fund has helped a lot and they are able to address a lot of needs they could have addressed previously, but we wanted to also get this building done as it helps us bring the side into SP storm water prevention permit compliance and everything. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> Yes sir. >> Questions? Senator Tine. >> Thank you Mr Chair is there a strategic plan that has this prioritized in regards to the shipyard improvement? >> Yes sir. >> Follow up. >> Follow up I'm I right it's about 1.5 million in the fund from the sale of the de-commissioned ferry? >> Yes sir. It's just slightly left in that mail basically. They are starting to get new lasers and things to help in those big ways, like 25, 35,000 a piece, some of those they're in the procurement process so it's been stepped down to about 1.35 think. >> Yes please, so what is the total cost of meeting your capital improvement planned? >> It's 1.47. >> Thank you. >> Further questions? Okay, thank you very much. There are no questions in this section but we now have open communal discussion. Representative Martin. >> Mr. Chairman I don't wanna get in front of anybody else but I was away last week, did not get sitting around here with Miss Cameron but excuse the absence, but I'd like to point on some things I might have missed but will refer to other committee members >> Those are outside of what we discussed today? >> I'm not completely sure. >> Okay. >> I'll prefer your ruling on that. >> Well let's take questions on the things discussed today then we'll get back to Representative Martin. Okay, Representative Martin? >> Thank you Mr. Chair, in [INAUDIBLE] the governor's budget and try to [INAUDIBLE] what the governor DOT and perhaps those are the general assembly are thinking in regards to positions within DOT.

>> [INAUDIBLE] some talk to think about moving some positions out to divisions and I would like to inquire what the motivation behind that are whether will result in a net loss of jobs a net gain of jobs. A shifty in the function of the jobs? Tie in there also is there going to be any greater reliance on outside contracters to perform some of the functions that state employees are currently doing? >> [INAUDIBLE] asked for recognition and shall be backed up Mr [INAUDIBLE]. >> I was gonna respond to your question [INAUDIBLE]. Number one thank you for serving our country last week I believe you [INAUDIBLE] other official duties. Let me explain that here >> That's perfect [LAUGH] >> I was trying to go [INAUDIBLE] >> That being said we offered each member of the committee to come out and talk to the chair about concerns and issues, they have a transportation of course you weren't here. We extend that offer to you since you're back now, at sometime but it has to be this week it has to be this week at the earliest possible time. Prior to that meeting though, I would respectfully ask that you check with chief engineer Mike Holder and let him give you a personal review of what we heard last week in committees as far the operal restructuring process his going through now at ADNC DOT and that would probably answer in great detail the question that you're been searching >> So I'll definitely do that, thank you for the [INAUDIBLE] but just direct to express to express my concern that any ships that we're talking about making within this committee I hope that it'll have had our support that they are physically prudent and really maximize the tax payers dollars. >> [INAUDIBLE] I can't say the department has a new model you might say fairly complicated to get into but it is simple in concept so you can probably cover that and pardon Mr Grey and give you a full briefing on that it be very eye opening I think. >> Thank you sir. > Senator Tine. >> Just to reassure you and I understand your concern this is in response to the whole DOT report Of how we right size DOT and if they can give you all the specific of what they went through cuz it's only one part of they've only hit one part so far. Which is about 1100 employees looking at them in regards to STI deliverable project. And what they looked at is Is where they are and getting a much better understanding of what everybody is doing and thought about organization and then study goals for timely delivery of projects, quality of projects, the most efficient use, those types of things and then looking back and saying, okay, what's the right make-up Of the people, in order to go from where we are today to what we'd like to have to meet our goals. And it had nothing to do with we're gonna outsource this number of people and keep this number of people, so we had to do was how do we organized to best deliver The product for the money that the people are paying. But that's just a high level of studying the context for you to help and reassure you a little bit. >> And [INAUDIBLE] was that covered, did they show in their work in the last spring break, thanks. >> Take final questions, comments from the committee. All right, we're done. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> I'll have video reach out for you [INAUDIBLE] >> Thank you, sir. [BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO]