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House | February 18, 2016 | Committee Room | House Redistricting Committee, Part One

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[BLANK_AUDIO] [BLANK_AUDIO] [SOUND] Members of the House Redistricting Committee, I welcome you and appreciate you being with us here today. I wanna start briefly by thanking Thanking our sergeant at arms, sergeant at arms has certainly done Yelmans work with the past week trying to have to accommodate these abbreviated schedules of Reggie Seals, Marvinn Lee, Terry Mccall, David Lite, and Joe kruk, and Warren Hawkins. Members we are going to do things a little bit differently than we've done in the past. And part of this's because we have some important decisions to make that we all need to be fully informed about the options that we face. So with that, I'm gonna ask Mrs Track, and any of her staff that she likes to join us from the board of elections, to come up to the dais and the chair has a series of questions that he That he'd like to propose and then we're gonna recognize the members to propose on Mrs. Wail and then we're gonna try to get into talking about what this abbreviated or amended filling period should look like. I realize this will be different than how we usually run a committee, but the information's very important and everybody Needs to understand it and need to understand what's at stake if we make this decision versus that decision. So with that the chair's gonna start with a series of questions and [UNKNOWN] you take all the time you need to answer them and if I don't ask it clearly restate what I need to ask cuz I want the members to understand what Trying to figure out here. So the first one would be under the current law we have a primary schedule for March 15th. And under current law if the 40% threshold is not achieved by person seeking office that triggers a second primary And first of all is that right and on what date is that currently set for? >> That's correct the person would be eligible for a second primary. It depends on if the race was a federal race or a state race. If it was a state race that will be May 3rd Will be seven weeks after the March primary. If that vacancy occurs in a federal race that will be 10 weeks after the March 15th primary which will be May 24th. [BLANK_AUDIO] >>And Ms. Track/g if you have the information with you if you don't perhaps your staff could get _You've advised the chair that it is known which traces might potentially under current law trigger the need for second primary. If that's known to you now would you share that with the committee? >> I will. [BLANK_AUDIO] Okay, there are the potential for second primaries in the Republican North Carolina Commissioner of Insurance Rights, the Republican Governor Primary, NC House District 6 Republican, NC House District 28 Republican, NC House District 33 Democrat, NC House District 44 Republican, NC House District 81 Republican, NC House District 91 Republican, North Carolina Lieutenant Governor Democrat, NC Senate Republican, 31 Republican, State Senate 36 Republican, State Senate 48 Republican and Superintendent of Public Construction Republican. [BLANK_AUDIO] Thank you Mr. Arc, I apologize, the. So the total races that currently could trigger a second primary number, how many? [BLANK_AUDIO] >> 13. >> 13, and Miss Track, let me apologize in advance, can you speak to what the normal turn out for a normal presidential year Primary years verses what the normal turnout for a president with

your own office, in percentage point and if you need that stuff, look that up when you come back to us. I might have to do that and I can tell you that on the 2008, a primary could be similar to this one primary, in the 2008 primary I think we had a 37% turn out for the primary. You've said your other question whether we've had a second primary? A second primary always a lot lot lower, I mean usually and certainly in the low single digits often. I think that's pretty in general the case, generally the case.>> And Miss Trent/g would you speak to members of the committee, the chair understands that based on current law, if the primary is held on May 15th under current law and it triggers a run-off on either May 3rd or May 24th The voter rolls were locked between that time. Could you speak to that and explain to the committee? >> Sure. The way the voter registration system is addressed in statute. If a second primary is necessary, it is considered a continuation of the first primary so for that purpose the registration books are closed so tomorrow is the voter registration deadline, other than the people registered in the early voting period for stating their registration there will be no more voter registration for a second primary, the books will be closed. >> And because it is very important would you just remind the members of the committee about all this not withstanding how much time is generally required from when whatever date election is going to be held on Would be hailed, there's a certain number of days that you gotta be able to mail absentees or a certain numbers prior to that, you gotta mail out military and overseas just to explain to folks how much time we are actually trying to deal with here. >> Sure, after we have any sort of [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO] that filling, we have to be able to To have absentee ballots by state law for a primary. You have to mail those out at least 50 days prior to the election. Federal law requires 45 days for overseas and military but our state law is 50 days instead of 45. Amy Stran/g are you aware of elections in the past for primary elections when the general assembly has selected to forego the second primary? >> I think that is true. But I'd have to go back and research exactly if. But that certainly has happened happen when we've had special primaries. >> So, Miss [UNKNOWN] I guess this is a leading question but to make sure we can kind of frame while hope the committee can offer input, were we to attempt to schedule the Congressional primary, the new Congressional primary that's triggered by this court's decision on the same day as the current schedule [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO], the challenges would be either the books would remain closed so new people could register to participate in the Congressional Run off or we would change the law so that the books would remain open so that people could register and vote, even change parties which means if they had not participated in the original Primary they might get to change their party and vote in the second, at the same time they vote in the Rational one is that pretty right? Is that what we are trying to balance here? >> That's the major difficulty with combining a first primary with a second primary because the books would be closed for anyone who's wanting to participate in the second primary, but we certainly would have to open the books. For anyone that was participating in a first primary. So what you would have is you would have a registration period happening after March 15, anyone that registered during that period would be eligible to vote for the Congressional race but they wouldn't be eligible to vote for a second primary. The problem for us is we do not have have the capability for my electronic poll book to have a second primary and a first primary on the same day of election. We could if we use/g on paper we could doing it by paper but electronically we can't do that. >> So, provided this committee were to choose to To leave the March 15th primary as it is, allow the required runoffs

to occur on either May 3rd or May 24th and then attend the trigger a new election, it would be 50 days out so that will put the new Election for congress in August, is that right? >> Yeah, I think, because you would have to not just to [INAUDIBLE] you would also have to have the time for coding ballots, you'd have to have a filing period for that seat. It would end up being sometime in, if you have the May 24th or the May 3rd May 3rd, Chair is going to suspend his inquiries for a minute and see, Representative Jackson you recognize for enquiry [INAUDIBLE] >> Thank you Mr. Chairman, and I will have few questions, I will go to the Chair. >> Please. >> I am gonna start by asking you approximate cost of the state wide pride for having 13 congressional primaries, that would be a state live election. >> Right, we don't have a lot of historic data on course but fortunately we do have cops data from the 2014 general election Because we have matching hours, that would would be included in that. So, the 2014 general election, it called state-wide about $9.5 to over $10 million, $9.5 million to conduct elections. And that includes the matching hours provisions for early voters. And that would be probably, comparable, to what it would cost to do a primary, that's comparable to what it cost for the March 15 primary. >> Follow up, Mr Chairman. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> Okay, thank you. And some of the Potential primary runoffs you gave earlier were not state-wide, they were like a local house district, or something like that. >> What are you talking about, the second primary? >> Yes ma'am. >> Exactly. It would only be the particular race that was subject to the second primary. It might not be state-wide. >> Any idea how much that That calls [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO] just a comparable House District or Senate District or any kind of breakdown you have on that? >> I don't have that, certainly you'd not have, in some of those you might not have all your postings/g open, there's a course would be potentially left in the county, it depends on what the seat was. >> Okay. >> That was on subject to it Mr chairman can I just. >> Yes sir the gentleman is recognized. >> Okay thank you. [BLANK_AUDIO] And if the decision was made to delay the March 15th primary iii all elections. And put the congressional primary and everything on the same date. What would be the earliest if we opened filing next Monday? What would be the earliest we could have a new primary election? Would it be May 3rd or May 24th? >> No, I don't think that If you were saying you're to do everything. - >> Yes Mam. - >> You mean everything that's currently on our March 15 ballot. - >> Yes Mam. - >> We would move that to a new primary date that would include these congressional phase. - >> Yes Mam. - >> Okay, so where would start is we'd have to have a filing period for the new congressional phase, so we have a time Time period you'd have for that. After that, well first of all before we do that, our counties would have to apply these new districts. We would think that would probably take around one to two weeks to make sure we audit. You'd have a filing period, then you have to re-code all ballots Ballots with the ones that are currently on the ballot, adding these congressional phases as well. That usually takes between coding, proofing, printing ballots, having what we call logic and accuracy testing by our counties, making sure that works. That in additional seven weeks that that takes, and then you would have to have that ready so that you can have absentee ballots go out at least 50 days before the election date that you want. >> Do you have any idea what that - >> What that date would be? I have to sort of let me get back and calculate that up. So you're saying starting now, what from now when would that be? Cuz I would say that would be seven, eight, nine, probably 13 to 14 weeks from now? >> Okay, and If we were to do that and only had a primary election with no runoffs then that would save us approximately nine and a half to ten million

dollars providing we have a one state wide primary? >> Well I don't know that. And the reason I don't know that is because costs have already I don't think it would save you because first of all counties have already paid for their ballot, they've already paid for coding, they've already done all of that already from March 15 and I would say most of the cost of the 2015 March 15 have already been spent for a lot of that so they have to then all this ballots that have been printed have gone out within have to be re-printed, re-coded and all of those would not be able to be used. >> Okay and how I'm familiar with White County and so I know that we I guess last weekend had a special filing period. >> That's right. >> And I understand no decision has been made yet iii it would be on a ballot in that particular superior court, district, is that correct? >> It has been it would be by statute it would be on the second date of the second primary. >> On May 3rd? >> If there were no federal second primaries it would be May 3rd. >> Okay. >> If there was a federal race it was subject to a second primary all second primaries moved to make 24. >> Are there other litigation like that or districts like that that present the need to have a new filing period. >> Those were the only ones we've had they could see that think of this time we have that are subject to having a new filing period. >> And I'll understand that earlier today there was a decision made in reference to the North Carolina Supreme court. >> Yes that is true that is the potential for one yes. >> Okay And to start up impact your filling needs or deadlines or anything like that potential we'd have to have a third state white primary in a supreme court race if we didn't wait >> I think it is based on the timing of this I mean we are not seeing the order to that you tried that to get that from the Attorney General's office, they don't have it either so after looking I think it's all based on the timing that they had. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman, I'll let someone else have the chance. >> Representative Mitchel did you have some questions sir ? >> I've got a couple of questions - >> Yes sir you're recognized >> Almost there with your Actually Representative Mitchell before you start, Ms Track if you prefer to sit, you are welcome. >> I'm good. >> Okay, please proceed. >> Let me try to get this straight, Ms Track. If we go a head with the Primary on March the 15th, we will do so without without the congressional primary, is that correct? >> What? The congressional, those seats are on the ballot. When this decision came down, ascerty/g ballot period had all ready started. Right now, we've had over 22000 ballots that contain these congressional races are all ready out and being voted they will be on the ballot on March 15th, it's just we will not certify those elections. >> So we can't. >> We can't take it back. [LAUGH] >> There's no sense in marking that ballot for that. >> Right, if those districts are not. If we can't count those. Right, that's how we would do it, people can mark those. We would just not count those. We will not certify those results. >> Then [BLANK_AUDIO] since, we then have to come come back and vote again, the filling period will be reopened, at what point can a filling period be reopened for congressional reasons. >> Whenever you say that it opens, we can open a filling period for this congressional crisis pretty quickly, we need to do that after probably the canvas of the March 15th election, but we can open it up immediately. >> That would entail have another registration period of that? >> You just have another filing period for that and you would. We would open after the March 15th Primary we would open up the registration books again to take voter registration and then we would close that 25 days before any Primary. >> Once all that is done how soon after After we've determined when that election is going to be will the runoff be [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO] on?

The runoff for a? >> Congressional>> Congressional , so the runoff for the Congressional would be by statute, it would be ten weeks after that Primary. >> [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO] and get with these District whatever is I am understanding that a new filing period would be open, will that filing Period be the same period of time that we have now. >> I think you'd have to [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO] their decision that you all will have to make. >> In other words we can set the filling period time? >> Yes you could. >> [SILENCE] >> I will hold a brainier Mr. Chairman, I had a couple of other questions I need to think out. Members, the Chair would like to interject a couple of questions from Miss Track/g, Miss Track currently under State law there is a, for a lack of a better term a withdrawal date which is appointed, which I can't [INAUDIBLE_AUDIO] has to declare they don't wish to appear on the ballot. Would you tell the Committee what that date is and what the Is that way to get off the ballot after that point currently? >>No, the law states that three days before the end of the filing period, if you do not withdraw, the candidate does not withdraw within three days of the closing of the filing period their name will remain on the ballot They not withdraw. >> [INAUDIBLE AUDIO] may an individual be a candidate for two different offices at the same time? >> No they may not. >> I wanna change the focus just a bit because I want the members to have a full understanding of this Would you speak about the requirements and state law currently regarding the early voting time that must be allowed and would you speak on if there's a difference between a presidential year and none presidential year. >> Absolutely Current law states that early voting time is 10 days prior to the election and that counties have to have early voting sites that march hours to previous elections. So for the 2015 the presidential Primary on March 15th. Counties have to have sites and hours that match the 2012 primary cuz that was a presidential election. Any other primary that we have would march the 2010 primary. So this one That we have because presidential candidates are on the ballot they have to match the 2012 primary. If a presidential candidate is not on the ballot for a primary we match ours to 2010 primary. >>Thank you. Representative Mitchel. >> Okay Let me clear up something Wake county now has to vote for a superior court judge. >> Correct. >> The state know I'm presupposing this one since it was a unanimous decision from that Three judge panel that the retention matter was unconstitutional and the possibility of the judge had effectively accusing himself on appeal there's a town that's what Worst that could happen. You've got that situation coming up and then you've got the congressional elections coming up. How do you [INAUDIBLE] all these together I guess in a [BLANK_AUDIO] On basis what's the angle gonna cost us in arrears. That's where I'm going. >> We certainly got our work cut out for us Representative Mitchell. Certainly we want costs to counties to be as low as possible. All counties, for every primary they always have to anticipate there's gonna Second primary and they always have to anticipate if there are state-wide races on the ballot, that's a state wide candidate may be part of that second primary. So they budget for a second primary as if they would have their whole county open. So Superior court speaks Seat that you're speaking of in White County, by statute, it says that that county if there is a primary for that area, that it would be held on the date of that second primary. So it wouldn't require another election. Now the other matter that you're talking about,

if whether or not we have to have a new filing period For the Supreme Court seat. Like I said, we haven't seen the orders. I don't know what the timing is. But if we have to have, we can have a following period and potentially put that at the same time as this as well. >> Please continue. >> Okay, now let me paint another scenario for you. On April 15th The three judge federal panel will be hearing the legislative redistricting cases. There are three possible verdicts that could come out. One they could declare those districts constitutional, number two they could Could declare those legislative districts unconstitutional. >> Right. >> And number three along with the unconstitutional now they could declare the March 15th primary null and void. Where are we in that type of situation? And if folks think I'm going overboard this is a very distinct possibility because it has happened before. >> So your question to me is if based on what happens in that trial right if certainly if you have to go back and Draw legislature is that what you are saying? >> Yes. >> Right so right now we are going forward with the match 15 primary. Ballots are out. So that's moving forward. But that would be April, let's see. >> The case [INAUDIBLE AUDIO] starts. 15. >> So that's after march 15 primary so right one month after that so if we had to do that we certainly would be sort of in a position that we are currently with the congregational maps. We would have to come back redraw those and then we would have do sort of the same thing that we are doing now going through all the process is to implement those you have to redraw those lines and all the ballot cuttings, so that would probably a later date. >> Mr. chairman last thing, I guess what I'm trying to get at Miss Strike/g is that knowing the possibilities that could exist with a decision coming out like that, whether or not it might be a good idea to try and we would not be we couldn't use any time where we could save money by waiting probably until after that decision like scheduling the primary for some time. some time in late May first part of June in order to have them all run together I guess that's where I'm here then. >> I guess representative Michelle I understand what you are saying. And the only thing that I think we got to worry about we sort of got put this primary in between the current Primary. and the general election so we go to make sure there is time enough because we delay the general election. That we don't push things out so far that we not able to comply with absentee requirements for the 2000 general election. So we're limited in how far we can push out any primary >> guess what I'm getting at is, is it not better to set a new Primary date and forget about the March 15th date? That's where I'm going. >> Well, I hope we won't forget about the March 15th date, because there are lots of things that are on that ballot, there are lots of ballots that have that have already been voted, and the counties have incurred tremendous costs, in all of those things. So there are certainly other things that are on that ballot that are not in question. >> But you do have that right now in your congressional races? >> Exactly, those races are on the ballot, and we have the ability not to certify those, and count those, and count the other races that are actually can be certified. >> Representative Stan/g. >> Yes, Miss [UNKNOWN] Mr Chairman, I'd like her opinion on vice on what to do. We'll get to that >> We probably will let's hold that for just a moment, chair has just a couple more on the question of the congressional races that are here on the March 15 ballot . Chair realizes that she just stated the state board would not have certified those although also we kept Or they are public record how does that work. >> There's currently there'd be a public record you would have to provide something to us that would instruct us that they are confidential and that they shouldn't be disclosed then we will do what we have to do to make that happen.

Ms iii I'd like your opinion on this and then I would really appreciate if the members of the committee would weigh in as a will and please listen what I'm trying to describe this scenario, the people that are filed to run for office that whose name currently appear on the March 15th primary filed with the assumption that if they did not obtain the 40% threshold that they may have to face another, a second Primary so I guess you've got the person that would've finished first but lacked the 40% and the other candidate who would have finished second also lacking the 40%. Do you have an opinion or does the attorney for the state state board have an opinion on if there would be any and I am not an attorney any breach of contract or any concern with, if the general assembly were to cancel the second primary or the run off From the March 15th race. >> I think you are asking are there any legal problems with doing that. Josh Lawson is our general counsel and - >> I'll be glad to recognize Mr. Lawson. >> Definitely defer to him to answer that. [BLANK_AUDIO] >> So the facts that are here that I understand [COUGH] is If a second primary was taken away Mr. Chairman would anyone have a right to bring some action claiming that they were deprived of some legal right they have. There's no constitutional right that an individual has to a second primary so if the enabling legislation defined the scope of how we were to conduct The elections. I don't foresee what that action would be. >> Thank you. I don't know if Representative Michaux or Representative Jackson - >> Yeah. Ah-ha >> Can stand by to weigh in , please sir. You recognized. - >> Isn't there a statutory requirement at all - >> Yes. >> That should happen? >> Yes. But to be clear from what the representative just asked statutorily requirement can be changed by an additional statutorily requirement, this is a legitimate inquiry that I would appreciate if the committee would weigh in, I wanna make sure if this general assembly of extent cancelled the second primary if we open ourselves up to depriving someone the chance to participate and representative Machel you are recognized. >> I understand that you may not have a constitutional problem but on the other hand because what you've written in the sachet and what has been in usual practice you could have a constitutional problem, could you? >> I would stick with what I said before which is that since there's no right under the constitution to a second primary your right to rise from statute which could change it . >> I saw representative Stan's hand, representative Jackson's hand representative Stan. >> If I could inquire representative Shaw cuz I was here in 8990 and he was about along ten years weren't you against having run off primaries back in those days? >> Yes sir I was so, of course that gotta do with prosperity in China. >> Well, can I answer that question? >> If you know anything about prosperity in China, other wise if you would like to speak on this particular issue. >> Yes, on this particular issue. >> Maybe one way to solve this some of this is for this special election that we may have to hold because there some three judge federal court, maybe for that one special election we just won't do, run off primaries and you'll be even happier than you used to be. >> And Arc on that point in years pat when the second, I it's called the second primary is that correct, and years passed when the second primary was cancelled, was the first primary held with the understanding that it was going to be cancelled. >> Representative Louis I'm not sure that I can have a growing opportunity. >> Representative Michelle, do you have anything having had the experience with representative Stan in 1982 and having to go through a second primary for Congressional I knew starting now that second primary was a possibility because of the statistics that we have received Proceed in that district, I came out of that district with 46% of the vote, the next highest vote behind me was 32% and the next highest behind that was about 11% somewhere in that neighborhood, but the threshold at that point.

That time was 50% plus warning, so my 46, 47% didn't make a therapy, but I knew there was going to be a second primary because that's what the other candidates were counting on. >> Representative Jackson. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. A few follow ups from earlier so originally I asked you about we saved nine and a half to ten million dollars you explain that why it would necessarily be true I understand that. But representative Michelle asked a question and use about the ballots and you said I hope not the counties have already paid to print those and do this. But they are going to. Going to have to print new ballots for all places of state already 13 new congressional seats so they would have to reprint ballots some sorts they might be one page versus two page, there'll be new ballots iii right? >> Absolutely there will be but it also ballot coding is. Based on the number of races and the number of candidates that are on the ballots so to do that all over would be significantly higher cost for counties to have to re-do and put those candidates back on the ballot again. >> Okay thank you I believe the chairman asked you about the date that we draw your name. Okay and you said iii to go before filing. >> Three days. >> Three days for filing. How about I wanna make it very clear I'm not running for Congress okay but I have no Primary, so I am not on a Primary ballot. Would I be able to file for a Congressional seat. And wait and see if I won before I withdrew my name from the November ballot or would I have to withdraw. If we change you understand. >> I absolutely do, because you have no primary you are the parties nominee. So you could can withdraw. Raw as the nominee you can certainty do that and you have to do that before ballots go out before the next election. So that we could get you off the ballot. And the it would be up to the party to appoint but yes you could because you're the nominee. It's people that can't withdraw or people that have filed and actually have a Primary, they can't withdraw but you could. >> Follow up Mr. Chairman. >> Then Gentleman is recognized. >> So, assuming we've set a Congressional Primary for May 24th-ish, could I wait and see how I did in that Congressional Primary for deciding if I want to. I wanted to remove my name from the November election? >> No, you could not because that would be do off. >> Okay, thank you. Then one last question, we recently I believe had a quarter of appeals election where we were not able to have a Primary and so we had 19 or 20 candidates. Owner? >> We certainly did. >> Follow Mr. Chairman. >> The Gentleman is recognized. >> And I believe that is for an eight year term? >> Yes. >> Thanks, and what was the candidate who won that race, what percentage of the State, what vote did they give? >> I would have to look that up, I am not sure of what that, what the percentage. Percentage was. >> Was it around 20% or less? >> I don't know, I don't know but I can certainly get that. >> We'll try to get that for you Representative Jackson, Representative Hagar. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman, I spoke to my counsel here to my right and she said that eight to nine has simple pound to each China. >> Chair your knowledge is subject, you expressed earlier. That add another Primary, sometimes instead of moving our Primaries wouldn't really cost that much cost because you said most of the counties had already expanded a lot of dollars already on ballots and those things. Could have an idea about what percentage they've already expended approximately towards the March 15th primary. >> I don't. Know, I know that they have already what they have paid for is they all have all of their ballots, they all have their ballot coding, all of that what I consider probably the most significant cost of the election. They probably have secured all of their sites, we know they have secured all their sites for. Early voting I'm not sure how they have paid for those. The only thing they probably haven't paid for is for their poll workers. >> Mr. Chairman >> Yes the gentleman is recognized >> Thank you, I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth and I apologize, would it safe to say that if you took that and just. So we're not gonna have that March 15th Primary we move to someone else does not save significant dollars to do that. I want to make sure I understand our question, if you do not hold the March 15th? >> Correct. >> You do all of those races over. >> Correct. >> That would be certainly additional cost where they have already. Already extended cause for ballots and coding that would never be

able to be used. >> Mr chairman. >> Yes sir representative. >> I thought I understood his question to be that if you move the primary, if you move the primary would there be additional cost for. From March to 15th. >> Representative Jackson, to restate my >> Please. >> [CROSSTALK] >> Answer correctly, if you did away with the March 15th Primary and you held another Primary sometime in future and moved everybody to that, my understanding, what you said is due to the already expenses of the ballots the. About coding and those things you will not see snoker dollar savings. I think as illustration a lot of folks would assume that you did away with the March 15 ballot and you moved it to another date that you would save all that money that you were gonna spend on March 15th. But that doesn't seem to be true because of the ballots and the ballot. Coding have already been paid for is that correct? >> Yes, the money has already been spent. >> And Ms. Track/g you may or may not be able to answer and if not I'll just withdraw. It's the Chairs understanding that the political parties have submitted plans to the national political parties that contemplate. Of delegates to the national convention that's based on the March 15th. Do you have any knowledge as to how a change in that would have impact on the national parties or the ability to spend? >> I don't know that. Of opportunities. >> Members we're about to stand at ease as we try to digest this and then bring a bill before the committee to address these concerns. Does any other member have anything that we might, Representative Mitchell? >> How long are we gonna be at ease? [BLANK_AUDIO] I think that's an excellent question Representative Mitchel how long would you like to be iii. >> Till tomorrow morning. >> The gentleman is certainly dismissed. >> [LAUGH]. If you will sir, the chair doesn't feel comfortable giving an exact time frame to be totally candid with you, we are going to confer, you can see that we have excellent central staff with this but none of them are our usual redistricting or election staff because they are tired at working on this bill and waiting for us to respond to them based on what some we've heard so it may be just a while the chair will give you this commitment, the chair will come back once we are at ease five or ten minutes or so, I would give you a more definitive time but while Miss Track is here representative Jackson do you have additional questions >> I just had a request for the chair. >> The gentleman iii his request. >> Having heard what we've heard and I believe I've got a good idea where we are going out I was wondering if a staff member made available to my so that I can draft some possible amendments once we [INAUDIBLE] is not to slow us down later in the evening. >> Representative Jackson you have an anxious central staff waiting to assist you. Members not necessarily on the committee while Ms. Track is here we've made it clear that even members that are not on the committee can participate in the redistricting hearings, does anybody have an inquiry from this Ms Track once you see. If not the committee will be at ease for ten minutes. [BLANK_AUDIO]