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House | September 28, 2015 | Chamber | House Session

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May I have your attention please, visitors please retire from the chamber as the house prepares for a session, Thank you. The house will come to order, members will take their seats, visitors will retire from the chamber, the sergeant- at- arms will close the doors members and visitors will please silence all electronic devices, the prayer will be offered by Representative Meyer. Members and visitors in the gallery will please stay in and remain standing for the Pledge of allegiance. Friends this is a prayer written by my friend Grambler[sp?] Johnson. Let us pray Eternal and loving creator as we come together on this auspicious day to convene the North Carolina house of representatives, remind us continually that in your kingdom those were the greatest are indeed the servants of all lord, as we prepare to do this great work teach us how to build bridges across lines of difference, unify us so that as one governing body we will walk together on time and ground for the good of all people. Fill our hearts with your peace, so that the ideological storm we will face are no match for the persistent ways of patience, goodwill, and compassion which are rooted in your presence with us. Give us the wisdom required to allocate resources, to create public policy which helps build communities that are characterized by hope, peace, and prosperity for all people. Eternal and loving creator we are grateful for your guiding presence as we tackle the difficult challenges ahead, and embrace the wonderful opportunities that you have entrusted to our leadership and care. Lead us as we prepare to serve your people in this the great state of North Carolina amen. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic on which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Representative Louis for, Representative Dollar is recognized  Mr speaker the journal for September 24th has been examined and found to be correct I move that it be approved as written. Representative Dollar moves the journal for September 24th be approved as written. Those in favor will say aye, Aye! Those opposed will say no, no the ayes appear to have it. The ayes have it the journal is approved as written members we are just going to do a few administrative things we are going to recess until 2 o'clock special message from the senate the clerk will read. Mr speaker [xx] to the message received on September 24th that the house of representatives thought  to concur house bill 531 senate committee substitute third edition, a bill to be entitled an act to authorize Wayne county, in the city of Sanford to lower the room occupancy tax to authorize more counts of additional 3%, tax room occupancy tax to create a special tax district made up of all areas in a hundred counties exclusive to the diaspora township and to offer our special tax to [xx] this is the common account type, prepare decent senator debate senators chair [xx] for my community point blank we are invited may be resolved expect the ceremony. Noted gentlemen actually have a little business folks, Representative McElraft is recognized for a motion. Mr. Speaker and members I would like to withdraw house bill conference report for house bill 765 from the calendar today.

Short title regular toy reform act of 2015 withdraw from the calendar or withdraw the conference report. Withdraw the conference report. She means if we withdraw the conference report. And return it to the conferee. Return it to the conferees, members it may be back before us later today very slightly amended. Discussion or debate? If not, all those in favour say aye, opposed say no. Motion carries. Representative Bill for what purpose do you rise? For announcement. Notices and announcements. Thank you Mr. Speaker, upon recess republican caucus will meet in room 544 and there will be shortly upon recess, thank you. Ratification of bills and resolutions, the clerk will read Clerk reports the following close to ratify presentation to the government. Senate bill 195, an act to provide the legal frame work for the sale and regulation of motor vehicle anti theft protection contracts in North Carolina. Senate bill 238, an act to provide that a person commits the offence of cyber starting with the person knowingly installs tracking device without consent and use the device to track the location of an individual. House Bill 730 act to create the next generation 911 to reserve fund to implement next generation 911 to require VSAPS to implement next generation 911 to authorize the 911 establish purchasing agreements in state wide agreements allow a PSAP grant account to be used for expenses to enhance the 911 service, to amend the limitation of liability for a 911 system to update the 911 status to include new technology and to make the technical corrections house bill 912 an act to defend personal property located in the travel land, of the property tax regardless of ownership and to authorise the department of Revenue to enter into agreement with the Eastern band. regarding taxation of tobacco products and to amend requirements for distillery equipment, I wish to serve spirits distilled on the premises of this distillery and the following bills duly ratified properly and well and prepared for presentation offices of secretary of state. Senate Bill 258 and act to require that the following vacancies in the office of the Sheriff in Washington County, the person recommended by the party executive committee of the vacating member should be appointed. House bill 488 an act to clarify the appointments of the Board of Trustees of Central Carolina Community College. House bill 527 an act to revive the regular municipal election of the municipalities in county shall be held in even number of years to extend the term of office of the mayor of the city of Albemarle from two years to four years to amend the chatter of the City of Raleigh to authorize the city to sell and exchange unauthorized transfer of real property to clarify the voting rules of  transportation board of Education and to add delegates in hired counties to the list of counties covered by GS1538-15. Thank you chapter bills will be noted. Members the chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the floor to former speaker Tom Tillis who is right there and all that happy  note, we are in recess until 2 O'clock sharp May I have you attention please. Visitors please retire from the chamber as the house prepares to return from recess Thank you The house to come back to order clarification of bills and resolutions, Representative Lewis is recognized to send forth a Committee Report the clerk will read. Representative Lewis, rules calling the operations the House Committee Report house bill 805 [xx] assessment favorable,  Calendar, senate bill 670 time limits for bill [xx] members calendar senate bill 524 found in principle

graduation requirements table house committee substitute on favorable original bill. Original bill unfavorable calender committee substitute calendar. Senate Bill 313 special registration place favorable house committee substitute number two unfavorable house committee substitute number one house committee substitute number one is placed on the unfavorable calendar, house committee substitute number two on calendar. Members for our planning purposes we are going to be in session until roughly 4 PM at which time we are going to recess and we will come back into session at either 7.30 or 8 that will be announced at that time. It is the intention of the Chair that the four bills here to for read in by the rules committee will be added to this evening's calendar. For the evening calendar any objection of the same? Hearing none, so order. Additionally members should e aware there maybe other bills added to today's calendar, for those who've been here a while you understand this is the final few days of session. I would expect over the next two to three days, that there will be times when we're in session when we have to take a recess to have committee meetings or conference committees to meet but they've been coming back in to session to dispose the business. I think everyone who has been here a few times would acknowledge that's kind of been the norm and that's what we have to do in order to get out of here by time certain. That is the plan, so I would just encourage my colleagues to try and keep your schedules flexible for the next three days, for example this evening we will come and the Chair will announce the time once we see how far we get through the other bills on today's calendar. That being said House bill 272, the Clerk will read. Representative B Richardson house bill 272 a bill to be entitled an act to appoint persons in various public offices upon the recommendation of the speaker of the house representatives, the president pro term of the senate and the minority leader of the senate general assembly North Carolina next What purpose does the gentleman Representative Lois rise? A motion The gentleman is recognized for a motion Mr. Speaker I move the house did on concur with the senate committee substitute for house Bill 272 further discussion, further debate if not the question before the house is the adoption of the motion not to concur with the senate committee substitute house bill 272 those in favor will vote aye those opposed will vote no, the court concur will open the vote. Do the following members wish to record? Representative Michaux, Luebke, Hunter, Baskerville, Graham, Ross, Boles clerk will will lock the machine and record the vote. 105 having voted in the affirmative and none the negative the motion not to concur is adopted the chair appoints the speaker a conferees for ths house, senators should be so notified. Is there point Mr. Bill? House Bill 297 the Clerk will read.  Representatives Blair and Stevens. House Bill 297. A bill to be entitled an Act to a Require a Informed Consent in the Donation the Remains of an Unborn Child to prohibit the sale of any avoided or miscarriage materials the remains of unborn child results from an abortion or miscarriage to limit the use of state funds to contract pertaining to teen pregnancy supervision initiatives for projects. General Assembly North Carolina enacts. For what purpose does the lady from Surry Representative Stevens arise?  To speak on the bill the lady is recognized for a motion. I move that we do concur. Lady has moved that the house do concur with the senate committee substitute for House bill 297 and the lady is recognized to debate the motion.  Thank you Mr speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the house this is the bill that we've in reference to planned parenthood selling body parts and that's the [xx] for this bill. Beyond that it prohibits anyone from selling body tissues and body parts from aborted foetuses, it doesn't affect in any way a spontaneous abortion or a miscarriage and I'd ask for your support for the bill. For what purpose does the lady from Buncombe Representative Fisher arise? To debate the motion.  Lady has the floor to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker ladies and gentleman of the house it's interesting to me that we are here today to concur in an activity in burning an activity that doesn't even happen n North Carolina, I think there is an important

to note that just really important information for all of us is that the information provided about the sale of fetus tissue is coming from damped video, those tainted videos that are misrepresenting planned parenthood I think it's also important to note that in doing this we are instead of focussing on what parenthood does do, we're focusing on what planned parenthood does not do, for example what planned parenthood doesn't do house do, they. Speaker point of order. For what purpose does the Surry Representative Stevens arise? Point of order. The lady may state her point Our discussion relevant to the selling of body parts she's pointed to discuss what Planned Parenthood does, but all this does is that you can't sell body parts if they don't do it shouldn't be a problem The Chair will simply ask the lady to contain her march to the contents of the Bill please Thank you Mr. Speaker, I would maintain that these are related to what we're doing here today. Planned Parenthood is helping children, young teens who are vulnerable. Mr. Speaker, point of order. The lady is recognized to a point of order. Isn't that the same point of order we just addressed that this is not about what Planned Parenthood may do nobody disputes that planned parenthood does some good things, but we're here specially talking about the sale of body parts and she indicates that planned parenthood does not provide body parts so the balance of her discussion is irrelevant. Mr. Speaker. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Martin Ross? To be heard the point of order. The chair is going to review the bill just a moment, the first rule on the request for point of order and then the chair will leave point of order is actually debatable so the chair is going to look at the bill just a moment body will suspend just a minute. The chair has had an opportunity to review the text of the bill PSV relative straightforward two page bill and the chair will give the members some latitude to debate but would ask the member to the chair sees no reference to plan parenthood or the other particular agencies or organisation and I don't know that the chair didn't hear that come up in the presentation the chair will try to give the members much allowed to you as possible but would ask the member to try keep the debate relevant to the bill at hand please. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Does the gentleman from Wake desire to address the Chair. The lady from Macon has the floor to debate the Bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker and I respect the ladies issue with the debate, but I believe if I'm not mistaken, this sponsor herself mentioned clan parenthood in her remarks. So I will try to keep to the issue at hand. Again, this bill also bans providers of safe and legal abortion from receiving state funding, if I'm not mistaken. and to provide preventive care. This is a move that is clearly aimed at banning planned parenthood from receiving state funding for preventive services. That is a topic that is totally separate and non related to the topic that the lady was addressing. The reality is denying young people access to effective pregnancy prevention, will simply increase the incidents of abortion and the idea that we as legislators  would put politics of proven programs and health of North Carolina teens is in my view wrong. the programs that plan parenthood has in place

to address things like mammograms exams for cervical cancer for all kinds of reproductive healthcare is something that is done for people who are eligible for medicaid and so if you look at where funding is coming from for planned it is not coming from the state it's coming from a federal government program that program being medicaid. The other thing that I would note is that the pregnancy rate of teens in North Carolina has come down since we have head this programs in place that address teen pregnancy, that make sure that parents are talking with their children, to make sure that teen sex is delayed. Making sure that we prevent teen pregnancies, and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, and we need to focus on that. We don't need to focus on something that is tramped up, that is fake, that is just untrue about an organization, and so ladies and gentlemen I want you to think about the fact that we are talking about in programs that are located, one in [xx], one in Wellington we are talking about a total amount of money that is a drop in the bucket to this budget. $135, 000, it's nothing when you compare what is being spent in our overall state budget, they have good track records, they have good track records for preventing repeat pregnancies among teen parents and helping them graduate high school and isn't that what we're about? So let's move away from bogus claims and focus on the good that is done, I hope that the members will vote not to concur thank you. Mr speaker For what purpose does the lady from Surry representative Stevens rise To see if representative Fisher will yield for a question Does the lady from Buncombe yield to the Lady from Surry. I yield. She yields. Representative Fisher, do you object in any way to us having language that prohibits an abortion Clinics from selling baby parts. I don't object to that however when that objection comes from a drunked up, bogus set of videos that are untrue, and are focused on organization, and that organization in planned parenthood then I do object yes. Mr. Speaker would she yield for a second question? Does the lady from Buncombe yield to an additional question from the lady from Surry. I'll yield. She yields. Thank you Representative Fisher would you like to look at some documents where planned parenthood in fact sold organs to. Mr. Speaker point of order. For what purpose does the gentleman from Lake Representative Martin rise? knowing that the lady from Surry is a stickler to the rules that refer her to rules of section 253 of Masons Legislator Manual number 5, which says the presiding officer should never permit the speaker to be heckled by questions nor permit a member to present arguments under the guise of questions, which is exactly what the lady is doing. She certainly entitled to present those arguments and our rules in fact give her two opportunities to do it so I'd suggest she should restrict her arguments to the opportunities given and her by the rules. Representative Martin as the Chair, and the Chair believes the Chair gave the lady from Bankers[sp?] pretty wider latitude to debate the bill. The Chair will also give the lady from Surry wider latitude in the question she would like to ask and the chair would remind any member that should they not wish to answer questions they don't have to yield the questions. Representative Fisher did you understand my question, would like to see some request that were made planned parenthood in another state, you think the videos were bogus? Do you want to see some invoices where they?

I do not care to see them, not at this time. Thank you. Just a moment, members before we proceed on with the debate, the chair would like to recognize some special guests that we have on motion, Representative Zachary of Yadkin County the Chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to the [xx] High School Junior and Senior Hunter [xx] team for Yadkin County who this past summer both teams won national titles at the thirtieth annual in our ray youth annual educational challenge in New Mexico. Would you all please stand so that we can welcome you? [xx] thank you for being with us today. For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham representative you rise. To speak briefly on the concurrence motion. The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. Thank you Mr Speaker, members of the house. I think it's important to recognize when we get to the issue of the fetal tissue donation, because there is two things there. The first is that this whole national discussion rather than the whole national fear over this issue, is linked to videos that have been acknowledged to be heavily edited to a point that they are not accurate representations they really are fraudulent in terms of what they depict. Mr. Speaker. For what purpose does the gentleman from Gilford, Representative Blust rise? To ask if Representative Luebke will yield for a question. Does the gentleman from Durham yield to the gentleman from Guilford? Representative Blust, let me just finish my remarks [xx]. The gentlemen does not yield at this time the gentleman from Durham has the floor to continue debating. Thank you, so the what I was saying is that the videos have been so heavily edited that they really do not represent a true statement of anything but started here in the national debate that we picked up on here in North Carolina. So the bill at this point bans future research donation for medical research and that may or may not be a good idea. It is not a good idea in the sense that it keeps research from going on and some issues that are important to people among them research on Alzheimer's disease, so in that sense putting the ban in is not a good idea but if people want to push for the legislation as such we do so it's just important first to recognize it's not based on reality on true videos but they are raised on doctored, heavily edited and untrue videos. point I want to make is about the whole issue of passing a bill that says that no organisation has any abortion performed on its premises cannot get the family planning money. Here you just have to focus just one more time on what Representative Fisher has said, if you say there cannot be team pregnancy planning then actually you are ensuring that there will be more young ladies teenagers who are pregnant and therefore face the question of whether they want to abort the fetus or not. So if you really want to scab team pregnancy you will not want to go forward with this ban on team pregnancy research just because an organisation and not just research but as services just because the organisation also is a private responsibility but not all its responsibilities in the list just a small quality responsibilities is to provide abortions as it is allowed by the law and allowed by US supreme court, so I would advise you to vote against it a concurrence motion thank you. For what purpose does the lady from Mecklenburg Representative Cunningham rise? To speak to the motion Mr. Speaker. The lady has the floor to debate Thank you. First I would like to share some information about the Fetal tissue. Federal law prohibits the sale of fetus tissue for profit, and requires separation between researcher and the woman who donates fetal tissue, North Carolina planned parenthood does not participate in any fetal tissue donation. Fetal tissue sale research has been an ethical issue for health care professionals, scientist, politicians and religious people for years although fetus tissue research has led to medical advances including the development

of the polio and rivera vaccines in 1950. These two vaccines alone effectively eradicated a major source of child morbidity and not to retaliation in the United State. This research has also led to scientific advances in the scientific understanding of fetus development and in the diagnostics and treatment of fetus diseases and defects such as the causes of down syndrome, seals and mental retaliation as well as development of amino syntices ever diagnostic two, fetal tissue research has also played a role in scientific understanding of cancer, immunology and transplantation. At this time I would like to share with you the following statements of senator Strong Farmer, of South Carolina, a republican, when he spoke at the Juvenile Diabetes Convention. Ladies and gentlemen, I am pleased to be here today with representatives of the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation, and with others concerned about medical issues and supportive of the stem cell research. Late last year, public funded scientist made major breakthroughs in stem cell research. As you know, stem cells are the bodies basic cells from which all other tissues and organs develop. While a number of scientist challenges must be overcomed, before specific medical benefits might be realized. There is a great potential in this research. Scientists believe that stem cells can be used to produce a supply of healthy cells and tissues, that can be used for transplantation by replacing exiting damaged cells, new treatments and even cures for numerous diseases might be developed. There is a great optimism that life saving therapies might be produced. Cells and tissues capable to put transportation could include excellent producing cells to cure diabetes. Heart cells to rebuild damaged hearts and new brain cells for victims of parkinson disease or other neurological disorders. As a father, of a daughter with Juvenile Diabetes I know as first hand, the devastating nature of this disease. In addition doing my service in this senate. I have heard the personal pleas of thousands of constituents who are affected by various diseases and disorders therefore, I have been a long time supporter of medical research. I recognize that many modern bio technology developments are complex issues and are frequently controversial. [xx], medicine, religion, bio-ethics, and other disciplines have reviewed and continue to comment on these issues. I believe these discussions are beneficial  as we seek to advance medical progress and the well being a patient without demeaning the value of human life. The National Institute of Health have led the way in medical research and must be actively involved in stem cell research. NIH support will ensure the basic research is a [xx] to move us towards clinical applications. We are on the verge of discovering the only way of treating and curing diseases which too long have led to pain and suffering in the lives of too many Americans. I look forward to working with my colleagues to ensure adequate funding and appropriate support is available to our national medical research community. I usually do not agree but this time I do, please consider what stand to a lot of people that are suffering, please consider not just yourselves, not just your ideology, not just your philosophy but other people that could benefit from the research that is done of fetal tissue, thank you. Mr. Speaker? For what purpose does the lady from Surry representative Stevens rise? To see if would yield for question? Does the lady from Mecklenburg yield to the lady from Surry? NO sir. She does not yield. For what purpose does does the Gentleman from Wake Representative Martin rise? To debate the motion. The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members the lady from Mecklenburg

Representative Cunningham has addressed the first portion of the bill better than I can ever hope to. So I'll limit my remarks to just what's on page two, section three of the bill, and I scratch my head wondering why this provision is here. Members it's stating the obvious to say there is deep division in our society on the issue of abortion, and there is deep division within this chamber on that issue, and I think it's safe to say that no one of us is going to work out of here today with their minds changed on that issue. I'd like to think it's also save to say that everyone of 120 us here would like to see a reduction in teen pregnancy and would like to see a reduction in sexually transmitted diseases among'st teenagers. But this provision of the bill goes directly against that, and I think think it's there because of one entity that provides us just a small amount of those services. The effect of this provision would be to prevent the state from contracting with planned parenthood to provide the services that are mentioned there, which as the bill says family planning services, pregnancy prevention activities or adult lesson planning programs. Members there's a reason planned parenthood was chosen for over a decade and a half to provide services. It's because they are very good at it, they've taken evidence based approach to it that has been shown to reduce teen pregnancy. Over a hundred girls each year benefit form this program now there may be other folks out there they can pick up this luck but the point is plan parenthood got the contract because they were doing the best job at it and if we pass this law the best folks at the job won't be able to do it so I'll be voting against this motion because I want to see us to continue to do something about team pregnancy. For what purpose does the gentleman form Orange Representative Meyer rise? To debate the motion.  Gentleman has the floor to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker, this is a very difficult bill to debate because this perfects our challenge for us to talk about in our society. I want to speak briefly on fetal tissue and then I want to speak on section three as well, it is really hard to think about what has to happen for our researchers to have access to fetal tissue, there is no good way to get fetal tissue into a research lab but once it gets to the research lab, it is used for incredible things and has benefited millions and what I'm think about today is the current research being done on Parkinson's disease. A disease that killed my grandfather and is affecting my uncle as we speak and the one that has devastating effects on those who have it and those who care for them and we can't let the benefits that come be outweighed by the unpleasant nature of how we get the fetal tissue. Under section 3 of the bill that as Representative Martin just spoke to impacts plan parenthood, many of you have heard me speak on the floor before about my experience running programs for teenagers before I came in to the legislature, and I worked with many young women who had to make difficult decisions about what to do about teenage pregnancies and they chose various things to do in response to being pregnant as teens, but I want to speak to you for a moment about young men and teenage pregnancy I was running a summer camp program and late one night laying in the bank trying to monitor a group of teenage boys who were not inclined to fall after the lights went out, their normal conversation, late night conversation about the girls at the camp and all kinds of gross jokes that they can come up with in the dark, turned to a conversation about their fathers. The young man in my cabin to a man did not have an active father in their lives and they spoke for hours that night in the dark about what that meant to them, what it was like to have a father in jail to a father that had abandoned their mother and never spoken to them, to have a father that only came around when he had money or needed money was painful and impactful to me because I didn't grow up in that situation but I listened and I learned almost every single one of those men with a product of a teenage pregnancy, it takes two to create a pregnancy, and

even when a teenage pregnancy results to a child birth and these young men were incredible and I'm very glad that I got to know them and they were in my life, they were still impacted by teenage pregnancy that lives were impacted forever by teenage pregnancy. The single best teen pregnancy program that I saw in my experience was one that was run by planned parenthood. What they did was they trained teenagers on how to talk to each other, about how to prevent teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases. It din't depend on me as a social worker talking to young people who were really uncomfortable talking to this old man about what to do, it trained the kids to communicate effectively with each other they not rely on rumor and not encourage each other to do things that were dangerous. I don't want to see any of the young men who I got to know in that program not be in my life and not have the opportunity to be in this world. I don't want to see anymore abortions because I love those young people and to me the best way to prevent those abortions is to have effective programming so the young men like that have opportunity talk in meaningful way with each other and learn how to avoid the teen pregnancy mistakes that their fathers and mothers made and we need plan parent hood as one of the most skillful providers to be able to do that in our society and therefore section three of this bill just goes too far and I recommend that you vote no and not concur. For what purpose does gentleman from from Nash Representative Collins rise? To debate the bill> The gentleman has the floor to debate the conference report, or the motion to concur.   Thank you and I've been here for five years and we've had a lot of bills that are similar to this and I've never spoken on any them, I've sat and listened and listened and listened and I've listened till I'm about listened out. So I'm going to speak this time I notice that one of our first speakers claimed that if a tape is edited or heavily edited it does equal being false. I would say if that's the case then, every news story I've ever seen about about the general assembly or channel five or channel 11 or any of the rest of the them is partly false, because they're all very heavily edited. I also noticed that when she was offered some evidence of these things that are indeed not false, she did what any good person without any proof on their side does, no I don't want to see the evidence there's no denial this is going on in the United States in North Carolina, I hope it never does happen in North Carolina, that is the whole purpose of this Bill. Another Representative mentions a former Senator Former US senator on stem cell research if you noticed the word foetal was never used in that speech that is because 90% of the progress that's been made on stem cell research has been made on adult steam cell not fatal since the research although there is a portion our country that wants to continue to push that it was also basically said that we cannot have team pregnancy reduction if we do not have a group doing it that also provides abortion, that is not true our volunteer back home with the group is very good at offering services that does not provide abortions. You all are going to be amazed that through the years we have people who say that we all agree that abortions should be safe and infrequent but available, cannot bring themselves to vote for bills that would for instance make a clinics have the same safety and emergency features that every other outpatient clinic has in this State, therefore providing women with the safe alternative. Some can even bring themselves to vote against something which mandates against the sale of body parts, it's incredible to me, we make sure that stay but we don't back it up when the votes comes. As far as de-funding planed parenthood, it's not surprising to me the things they are doing. It's not surprising me the body part sales they are doing. Now this is an organisation that was founded by a woman who was a preacher of eugenics and a great admirer of the Nazi attempt to create a master race. So anything they do doesn't surprise me, I'd advise you to vote for this conference report, thank you. Mr. Speaker. For what purpose does the lady from Orange Representative Insko arise? To ask Representative Stevens a question.  Does the lady from Missouri yield to the lady from Orange? I do. She yields. Representative Stevens, do you object to the use of foetal tissue from a natural abortion did not and this bill allows that, Another

question Does the lady yield to additional question? Does the lady from Surry yield to an additional question? I do She yields and do you object to the facility that provides that foetal tissue from being paid for the cost associated with all of the steps that we have to go through to make that a safe transfer. I'm not sure I follow your question, but I think what happens in tissue donation is that the parent donates that to the hospital or to whatever research facility they choose they sign a release form Follow up question a question. Does the lady yield to an additional question? I do. She yields. That's true, and the facilities that handle that that actually arrange for that transfer to be made incurs certain expenses in the process and they are reimbursed by the agency that receives the tissue, they are reimbursed for those costs. Do you object to that?  I don't know if you asked a question but I'm not familiar with the process that they use to accept fiddle tissue. I'm assuming there may be some costs, and assuming they maybe reimbursed. The difference is this is not a procedure that was, this was someone who had a respect for life. And I have one more question. Does the lady from Sheryl Yield have an additional question? I do. She yields.  Do you believe that this Bill will reduce the number of abortions? Let me respond? The lady has the floor to answer the question. I don't know that it will reduce the number of abortions and I don't think that's what it's attempting to do in anyway, I must make a free statement Mr. Speaker. I'm not in line to debate but I'd like to make a brief statement. The lady is recognized to debate the motion. I just want us all to focus on the fact that this isn't baby parts for sale, we keep using those terms and that's just political and this issue is too important for us to be trying to make political points on it, really it is too important it has to do with life, has to do with the future of people's lives, foetal tissue has been transferred from versatility to research facilities for a long time and their are reimbursements made and that's all that is ever been done, I know of no agency that sells body parts and I urge you to vote no on this bill because is it has nothing to do with what is being debated. For what purpose does the lady from Carteret Representative Mc Elraft rise? To speak on the bill lady has the floor to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker, members you know I have sat here I was not going to say anything but I hope all of you for a second as I was when you saw the first videos before they were banned you know they may have been altered as far as being edited because they were too long to show but what I saw with my eyes and what I heard with my eyes was not altered it was coming exactly from a member of parenthood and there staff, they were talking about it is a little boy get it when the heart is beating, I mean get it as fast as you can. Excuse me is that what we want in North Carolina if it is not already here? Absolutely not I found out three months ago that my husband has Parkinson's, will I ever want someone to sell the part of a baby yes it is a baby, just someone for research so that they can help my husband with Parkinson's absolutely not, there are adult stem cells that can be used, embryonic cord cells can be used, why don't we let the baby be born and we can have all kinds of stem cells steam sales from the cold blood is been proven that they were just as way off, I'm sickened by it. And I can't believe anyone

would vote to allow this to happen in North Carolina and excuse me about the situation with giving birth control in the same facility, have you distinguished what tax payer money and what's not tax payer money when you are paying the rent or when you rent out part of your building to part a tissue bank personally it's going to get those tissues as soon as they are available, as soon as you cut the parts off, as soon as it's available. We went from doing saline abortions where the baby was born sometimes alive and his mother given the saline, and I witnessed that myself in the 70s. To doing such an abortion where you pull the baby a part so that you don't see it's a real baby And now we've come back to pull parts so we can sell them. I'm disgusted, and I hope you'll vote for this bill because you're just as as I am. For what purpose does the lady from Wilson, Representative Farmer Butterfield rise? To ask the bill sponsor a question. Does the lady from Surry yield to the lady from Wilson? I do. She yields Representative Stevens have you talked with anyone about this legislation from planned parenthood in the other organizations involved in this work? No mam I have not. Have you talked with anyone. Does the lady wish to ask an additional question? Yes follow up. And does the lady from Surry yield to an additional question I do. She yields. Have you spoken with anyone who works with teen pregnancy and prevention in North Carolina about this bill? No Ma'am I have not, because it doesn't really involve pregnancy prevention. May I speak on the bill? The lady from Wilson is recognized to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker. It's been said already by colleagues that no one in North Carolina sell body parts, no body in North Carolina is involved with fetal tissue, some of us were concerned enough about it under the leadership of representative Cotter Cunningham, to set up a meeting and talk with some people in North Carolina with planned parenthood, because we were concerned about the national problem with the videos circulating throughout the country, and indeed because of that we do pointed questions were asked about this very issue and the answer was no one in North Carolina does this And we followed up and found out that this was in fact true so we cared enough about the issue to bring the parties to us and we inquired about the serious issue, and how it was impacting North Carolina. And we discovered it was not impacting. The next thing I did after that meeting was to talk with people involved with teen supervision initiatives and projects in North Carolina. And I thought this bill was going to be impacting on that from what I read in it so I want to say to you that I see it as a waste of time, waste of money and our tax payers in North Carolina deserve better than this because it's not an issue here folks. When we have people that cannot get sufficient mental health treatment, cannot get substance abuse treatment, do not have food, on clothing and housing, and we're doing this on the floor of The North Carolina house it bothers me. Our constituents in North Carolina deserve better than this folks, and you deserve better than this, because we're about the people's business and we're trying to close out this week and what we're talking about is something that's not happening in North Carolina folks, and I love Sarah Stephens, she is a friend of mine, and she and I have shared some good relationships but I say it's a waste of money and time. There are more important issues in North Carolina we should address. We should not become a part of their national political scene we shall entail and is a waste of energy folks, vote no thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Claven Rep Specialty rise? speak on the bill? Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. God it just, it just rips at my heart. I have to agree with the previous speaker, we shouldn't have to have this on the floor here.

We never, never should have gotten in a position in this country in the United States of America where life is sanctioned our founding documents, we never should have gotten into a position where we have to pass a bill to keep from selling body parts. We can call it fetal tissue, we can call it all kinds of things, but the bottom line we're talking about a baby, we're talking about a human being, we're talking about legs, and arms, and brains and my God how did we get here how did we get so carlous that this doesn't matter It just tears my heart out that we even have to discuss this I've got twin Grandsons that were born months prematurely at only six weeks one of them weighed one pound three ounces the other weighed one pound six ounces, and I weighed night and day for weeks and whether they were going to make it. I'm proud that they're happy six year old boys. But my God I could not even think of selling their body parts. They're were the smallest human beings I've ever seen some people would have still referred to them as foetuses and it disgusts me I don't understand and how anybody within feeling and could oppose this bill, this bill and marketing in sale of unborn children body parts my God. Support the bill and let's move on because this is [xx] even listen to this conversation. For what purpose does the gentleman from Pitt Representative Brown rise? To speak on the bill. The gentleman has the to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Members, I don't rise in this chamber very often in fact I try to keep it to an absolute minimum, I try to save my comments for committee and caucus. However today that changes, I've been compelled in my heart to have this conversation and I'm not quite sure where to start and I hope you bear with me for just a moment. It's been said time and time again that this is not a crime in North Carolina and I will just reiterate the point that if it is in fact not a crime in North carolina then this bill should have no effect on your ability to vote yes for it. Let me say this, let me tell you a story. A representative stood up just a moment ago and talked about the young men of teenage pregnancies. I'm going to tell you a story about myself. I don't know my father, never met the man until I was 22 years old and that was enough for me. My father, when my young mother got pregnant, wanted her to have an abortion, sent her money to have an abortion, went to court and said, I want her to have an abortion under oath and my mother actually thought about having that abortion and instead of going to that abortion clinic, she went to a place where they talked about preventive measures and they talked about the what now. That's what we can fund, that's the opportunity we have as well on this bill. It's to fund organizations like the Carolina Pregnancy Center where they talk about preventive measures but they also talk about the what now members I stand before you today not thinking I'm going to change a single mind, but here is what I'll say to you and what I'll press upon you. I stand before you today, as a husband, a father of three, an entrepreneur, a state representative and I'm 35 years old my mother made a choice to ensure that I had that opportunity. How many more folks just like me have lost that opportunity. Please vote yes on this bill. For what purpose does the gentleman from Vance Representative Baskerville arise? To debate the bill Mr. Speaker. Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker I will be brief I think both certs have talked about the bill this afternoon. I just want to make a few points based on the reasoning and logic that I have heard today, so prior to today, we've heard a lot of things about how the legislature should not pick winners. They should not pick losers. How we should let market-based solutions, let the market determine who's a viable organization, who's a

viable entity and who's not a viable organization and who's not a viable entity. I think that this legislation is the opposite of that. It is choosing, it is picking winners. It is picking losers. It's saying, we are going to fund this particular organization and not this particular organization. We, as a legislature, is going to choose what is best for the community Vance, what's best for the community of Granville, what's best for the community of Warren. I'm sure every single one of us has good programs in our districts that offer the same services as Planned Parenthood offer. Why not let the market determine which one of those organizations is going to remain viable? If Planned Parenthood has a history or is not doing a good job of helping teenagers planned pregnancies then there ought to be the statistics and numbers out there to show that and back that up, and let's make our decisions on who is going to get funded and who's not based on those actual numbers data, not on a story and anigble that we heard about something that's taking place half way across the country why is it important? Well I've read articles about what is going on in South Carolina legislature totally crazy what's going on in the Virginia legislature I don't agree with, it's totally crazy but should I be punished for what they're doing over there in Virginia legislature? Should we hear in the North Carolina legislature be held accountable for laws that they passed down in South Carolina legislature? Why in the world would we hold North Carolina planned parenthood for an anecdote that we've seen or heard about what's going on at another location. You wouldn't want to be held to that same standard we would not want to be our funding to be tied to what South Sacramento legislators are doing. It wouldn't be fair if our funding was tied to laws that Virginia legislature had enacted and that's what were dong here to plan parenthood. So for example, what if I am sure we have heard stories about doctors, who have inflated their medicaid medicare reimbursement numbers. Some bad actors out there doing illegal stuff. Nobody's condoning that. Do we ban the practice? Do we preclude all doctors from sending in reimbursement funds do we say because one doctor over here did something crazy none of the other doctors are going to be able to get re-reimbursed by the government I just think that's not a logical reaction or not a logical reason way to go how to reason a solution here because I do think there is a solution here Now, we don't know, lets vote on this thing because its reaping out our hearts talking about listening to folks talk about, we would not be talking about it. I guarantee you this bill would have passed in two sections if it didn't have section 3 part H on there which is about the money which is about the funding. Nobody in this chamber is going to vote against selling body parts not one person and if we had that bill in front of us we would not be debating now. But when you insert this insulator provisions there yeah so now we are going to debate so now folks heart are going to be reaped out and you are going to hear about it because I would rather have that debate now be thinking of how I will be impacting how difficult for us to talk about this stuff to hear about this staff than a little teenager next year who is trying to make an informed decision about how to deal with her pregnancy and we have limited her options up here now you can go see planned parenthood you are trying to go seek counsel seek advice, seek education about how to make an informed decision. How is that girl going to feel about how is she going to feel is it going to reap her heart out next year is is going to reap her families heart out next year we have limited her options, so I would have voted for the bill if it did not have section 3 part 8 in there but since we are holding planned parenthood North Carolina accountable for what other plan parenthood's may or may have not done all across the country we have got to talk about it we have got to debate about it and so that's why I will be voting no.  For what purpose does the gentleman from Cabarrus Representative Pittman rise? To speak on the report The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion, Thank you Mr. Speaker I have a little perspective on this maybe unique among this body it is easy for us a lot of times to talk about things like this in rather academic presting terms talk about fetal tissue that sore thing, I can't have that just academic was made

because you see as remember the advisory board of action lake for life in Charlotte in the late 80s and early 90s, it's part of a group that I would say it was not parenthood but we raided the dumpster and abortion mill over five nights in 1992 and retrieved the remains of 128 babies from that dumpster. God bless them on every courage for giving them decent burial, you know it's not just an academic thing or anything christened about it when you failed that in your hands, I mean most humble consistency of hamburger but there were identifiable body parts, little stomachs and lungs, arms were scapular attached and just like that and when you feel that in your hand as I did, you know that whatever the reason was for this there's nothing that can ever excuse it and we're talking now about selling that for profit. I've seen those videos the bargaining going on, let's raise the price, I want a Lamborghini or something, so what price do I put on morality, what price do I put on human life so I can have my Lamborghini. The idea of saying that planned parenthood in particular since that name has been raised would want to reduce the number of abortions is ridiculous, it is like saying that the local bakers is going to go round asking people not to eat bread. Unless that's what you make your money on you're not going to get that stopped yeah will try to reduce, you are going to try to produce more but so you give out contraceptives that don't work contraceptives that you know are going to fail to produce more business and that's what is going on. For the sale of this body parts I will liken to something that can happen well it was actually before I was even born there was a very nice German family who lived in newbourne. He received a gift from friends in Germany a lamp with a lamp shade they quickly dispose off when they realized that the lamp shade was made of Jewish skin. There's no difference between what was done there and what people are doing now in selling these little human being body parts for profit. No difference at all it is ghoulish and it's like saying well we shouldn't bother about I want the Nazis did in the concentration camps because it kept the trench running on time. You think they did something good and so you're going to tolerate the murder that they made most of the money for ourselves. This is bullish and it needs to be stopped and we should not be given one dime to anybody that is participating in it and I don't doubt for one moment that people who've talked to planned parenthood folks have heard from them know that we're not doing that in North Carolina it maybe so, it maybe not. But when you're dizzly promoting and committing mass murder I find it little hard to take their word that they are not doing it, thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman form Guilford Representative Blust rise? Speak on the motion The gentleman has the forward to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker and members of the house, although I have been very troubled by the revelations over the last three or four months I wasn't planning on speaking today but I'm kind of moved to do it by the degree of vociferous of the opposition to this bill. I have many times in here sat and listened to Representative Michaux used this quote for Dr. Martin Luther King, the hardest place in hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict and Dr. King also said the ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by the bad people but the silence Over that by the good people the first question which the priest and the Levite was asked was if I stop to help this man what will happen to me? But the good Samaritan reversed the question if I don't stop and help this man

what'll happen to him? He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps perpetuate it he who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it history will have to record that the greatest tragedy of this period of social transition was not the striving clamour of the bad people, but the appalling silence of the good people and I'm voting for this measure simply because I don't want to remain silent in the face of what I have seen now we've heard here today what I've been thinking after label the panel attention to that man behind the curtain defendants, who in every kind of things up here argued except the actual bill, we've even heard you can't believe what so believe we are telling you we saw and I saw a woman saying they will maneuver the fetus to use the favorite term of the political crowd, the fetus so that it can be brought out so we don't damage any of the parts we want to sell. That kind of thing is abhorrent, there's enough abhorrent in there that it should move us to action and the the idea that the films were edited of course for brevity they are edited just like ESPN sports center edits the games show the highlights, Mr. Speaker For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg representative Bishop rise?   I Wonder if representative Brandford would yield for a question Does the gentleman from Guilford[sp?] yield to the gentleman form Mecklenburg? I yield He yields I'm I correct that the terminology used was to have a procedure that would be a little less crunching, I can't remember the exact word but I cringed when I heard some of this stuff and to say to try to deflect what is going on by saying this are edited will be like Dallas Cowboy fan yesterday trying to say those 38 points. We might have seen 38 points put up on [xx] by Atlanta, but those films were edited. Maybe we didn't really lose. The overall message of those videos, was one of great tragedy important and I don't think it's wrong for this body to stand up and say we aren't going to allow that in North Carolina, so I'd urge you to vote for the motion to concur. Further discussion, further debate, the question before the house is the adoption of the motion concur with the senate committee substitute to House bill 297. Those in favor will vote aye those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote The clerk will lock the machine to record the vote. 79 having voted in the affirmative and 29 having voted in the negative. The motion to concur is adopted. The bill was ordered in row and sent to the governor. House Bill 215, the clerk will read . The conferees to point to resolve the difference between the Senate and House representatives on House bill 215, a bill to be entitled on Act to establish procedure for the waiver of the writer bill jury trial, in criminal cases in superior court. Senate judicial one commit a substitute adopt 723 15 submit the program report. Beneath the entire senate, did you share one committee substitute [xx] to 723 15 and substitute the attached, the opposed conference committee substitute H215- PCCS1040-SA-3. The conferees recommend that the senate and the house representatives adopt this report. [xx] conferees approve report set on the 24th 2015. Conferees for the senate, senator Lee Chair, senators Blue, Apadaca, Grinder Newton, McKesick. Conferees for house bill representatives, representatives Stephen, Chair, representatives Doltry, Glacia, Ryan Paul and Floyd. For what purpose does the lady from Surry representative Stevens rise? For a motion and to speak on the motion. The lady is recognized for a motion.

Ladies and gentlemen of the house I move that we do concur. I believe the lady has moved the adoption of a conference report, is that correct? I did. I moved the conference report. The lady is recognized for that motion the lady is recognized to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the house this went over a relatively good field, the senate made a few tweaks and they tried to put a few other things in it and we didn't like and the house provision prevailed I'll be happy to answer any questions. Further discussion, further debate, if not the question before the house is the motion to adopt the conference report for house bill 215, those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will ope the vote. the clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 109 having voted voted in the affirmative and none in the negative house bill 215 the conference report is adapted, the senate will be so notified. Senate bill 513 the clerk will read. senators Pac and Lee Jackson. Senate bill 513, a bill to be entitled and act to provide recretorial relief to the agricultural community of North Carolina by providing for various transportation and forms and by making various other statutory changes. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. What purpose does the gentleman from Duplin, Representative Dixon, rise? To debate the bill. The gentleman has the floor to to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the house we had a really good vote of this of last week and I'll encourage your green vote today, thank you. further discussion further debate. Does the gentleman from Person Representative Yarborough wish to send forth an amendment? Yes sir. The gentleman is recognized for that purpose, the clerk will read the amendment. Representative Yarborough moves to amend the bill on page three line 34 by rewriting the line to read. The gentleman from Person has the floor to debate the amendment.  This goes about as a result of an incident in my county, where I was very surprised when this came out to find out that there aren't a lot of rules about moving th large pieces of equipment in the state roads, and of the intent in the bill overall is to provide some clarity and help it to protect the farmers, as we have fewer and fewer farmers farming on more and more land, require more and more equipment to be moved around. The restrictions that are in there, the only one that really concerns a condition is that it has to operate during daylight hours. This that occurred in my county, we had a fellow taking a large combine as wide as a road across a foggy bridge in the morning and unfortunately one of my nurses ran into that combine and was killed. What my amendment is intended to do is to specify, that you're not to have equipment that goes across both lanes of the state road under conditions in which you can't see. Seems to make sense to me, I appreciate your support. What purpose does the gentleman from Duplin Representative Dickson rise? To debate the amendment Mr. Speaker. Gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. Members of the house, on the service, representative Yabro's amendment looks okay, I agree with him 100% that great attention needs to be given to these kinds of issues, but this is wrong time to address that particular issue. I think we need to measure the kind of things that he's talking about here several times before we cut it apart with Representative Yarborough he understood and knew that I was going to ask the members to vote against this amendment. Representative Yarborough I've said to you before I work with you going forward, but at this particular time members of the house I just ask you to vote no on this amendment thank you Thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Lake, representative Martin rise? To see if the amendment sponsor would yield to a question. Does the gentleman from Pasin yield to the gentleman from Lake?  He yields. Thank you Sir. This is an issue I don't know anything about, I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other. Seems to make some sense to me, but I don't have a basis for an opinion. On transportation, issues like that. I generally go the highway patrol and ask them if they had an opinion on that and I wondered if you had asked their opinion and if so, have they given you one? I didn't talk to the highway patrol about it, I did talk to the safety engineer DOT and he actually gave me the location, the warning. For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Floyd arise? See if the man respond would yield to a question. Does the gentleman from Carson yield to the gentleman from Cumberland?

I do. He yields. A question is that I know on large equipment some time it requires special use permit by the department of transportation with this foreign category of moving during day time it will solve that problem? The bill itself, I might be wrong but I don't remember seeing anything in section six of this bill relating to the special use permit, I know in my district is not uncommon at all to see a large particularly the next two months as the beans are coming in to see one pull out of one farm go down the road and pull into another Mr. Speaker For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland representative Ford rise? To ask the it's a good amendment but given the, it's a good amendment but I will talk with the bill of sponsor about some concern that I have as relates to this Mr. Speaker. What purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg representative Jeter rise? To debate the amendment The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment  I'm opposed to the amendment predominantly for it's vagueness, visibility restriction as defined by whom in the tracking world we have very clear visibility restrictio that stuff based on the visibility set by the DOG the national weather service or some other agency. This commitment has none of those provisions include, going to representative Floyd's point if you have use permit in your hall and a piece of equipment, and you can only move it that day, what does it do? Which over rides which the federal permit or the state law. And I just think that I understand the intent I certainly commend the intent but this language to me I think is full problems and I would urge us to vote no. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wayne, Representative Bell rise? To answer Representative Dixon a question.  Does the gentleman from Dublin yield to the gentleman from Wayne? Yeah sir. Listen to the debate and read the provision and understand what Representative yarborough wants to do, my concern especially in our area, we are getting to the year where corn that is started to be picked in the fields and we are looking at extreme weather with hurricanes, it looks like this provision will actually eliminate once it gets to the point of dark and moving forward it will actually limit our farmers to be able to do what they need to do to get the crops out on the field. Is that true or am I just reading it wrong? Well Representative there I wouldn't use a word that would eliminate their ability, but you take for example the farmer that's just come by and he's driving down, he's already on the road and the conditions were permissible for him to do it at the time, and as you know sometimes in harvest season particularly this time of the year it doesn't take long for it to get foggy, and so he is on the road, and I think that's the kind of issues our Representative Baumgardner takes more detailed thought than what, has been so far, but I do commend you for your concern and I think going forward that's an issue that we can address, but I don't think this accomplishes properly what needs to be accomplished For what purpose does the gentleman from Camblin, Representative Ford address? To ask the bill sponsor a question. Does the gentleman from Parson yield to the gentleman from Camblin? I do. He yields. How time sensitive is this bill for today or would be willing to withdraw it and have it place on the calendar later on the day, since we are going to meet at 8 O'clock, this afternoon? I believe this is a pretty important bill, and I've been inclined to go ahead and move forward with it. I don't think it's that complicated of an issue as was just discussed, the conditions changed then incidentally in my county, the conditions for fire, untill we get into the lake, and went ot cross the bridge, did waited another hour, we would have a differrent situation for what does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Lucas rise? Point of order sir. The gentleman may state his point of order. Believe that the inquires addressed to the amendment sponsor he requested that it be addressed to the bill sponsor. Does the gentlemen from Duplin yield to  the gentleman from Cumberland? Certainly.

Does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Floyd  wish to restate the question to Representative Dickson?   Representative Dickson. The gentleman is recognized for that purpose.  I'm concerned about are you willing to displace this until late on the day to allow those with concerns to just [xx] address those concerns? Mr speaker may I ask for clarification of the question because I'm not sure I understand whether he's talking about  displacing the amendment or if displacing the bill. If it's addressed to displacing the bill Representative Floyd would know. Thank you Mr speaker further discussion, further debate on the amendment, if not, the question for the house is the adoption of amendment offered by Representative Yarborough. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the Clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 28 having voted in the affirmative and 81 in the negative, the amendment is not adopted. We are now back on the bill, further discussion, further debate, if not the question for the house is the passage of senate bill 513 on it's third reading. Those in favour will vote aye, those opposed no, the clerk will open the vote. Representatives Cleveland and Langdon, do the gentlemen wish to vote on this bill? This is the Farm Bill, Representative Lang. The Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 99 having voted in the affirmative and 11 in the negative. Senate bill 513 passes it's third reading and will be returned to the senate. Chair is going to attempt to dispose of some bills the chair believes may take less debate, the chair knows there are a number of amendments to 605, so we're going to skip over that one. We're going to to go on to senate bill 159 the clerk will read. Senators Turk and Richard. Senate bill 159, a bill to be entitled an act to require payment of judicial taxes by the appropriate honor of records for correct evaluation of disposition of minimal property tax refund General assembly of North Carolina enacts. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg Representative Brawley rise? To debate the bill. The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Thank you Mr speaker I appreciate the support this bill received last week it still is a good bill as it was then, I ask for your continued support. Further discussion further debate? If not the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 159 on it's third reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 109 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative senate bill 159 passes it's third reading, bill will be returned to the senate. Senate bill 698 the clerk will read. Senator Hise Senate bill 698 a bill to be entitled an act to provide certain exemptions under sendicate of lot means large general assembly of North Carolina enacts. For what purpose does the gentleman from Dare Representative Tine rise? To debate the bill. The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker this bill deals with an issue with hospital closures and when they can reopen without having to go through the CON process again what it would allow you to do is have 24 months in which you could still be treated as an existing hospital the new language would be a legacy hospital it's been most closely talked about in regards to Belhaven Hospital but it's certainly not the only one where this could occur in regards to Belhaven hospital particularly I want to make sure that we understand something, this does not give Belhaven a hospital back. They still have to go through license, they still have to attain the property from LRC shows sustainability, USDO requirement still need to be met. I had to deal with the

appeals process on CON compete against a multi-million dollar facility that [xx] has put in and deal with prime issues so there are lot of other issues for Belhaven to go through, but this would just simply say that they don't have to go through the CON process again, but again this could be related to any other royal hospital that closes, one of my other hospitals Washington county hospital is another one that may very likely close and right now DHHS does not have a policy in regards to how long you can be closed without being an existing facility, they don't have case law just afford any decisions that DHHS would make and there's no statute that would also allow any direction for DHHS so this gives some clarity as we go through some of this real organization with our rural hospitals and Mr. Speaker I understand Representative Dollar has a friendly amendment with your permission, thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake representative Dollar rise? To offer an amendment. The gentleman is recognized send forth am amendment, clerk will read. Representative Dollar moves to amend the bill on page one line 25 by rewriting the read to read. The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the house what this amendment does it adds basically three quick sections, the first section here on the first page section three that runs in to the first line to the second page all this pertains to is a hospital in Vance county that is in the process of attempting to be sold if you need more information Representative Zack we can comment on that but I don't think that is going to be necessary There's no opposition to this provision that I'm aware of the next provision deals with those of you in the west who're familiar with copper on this amendment would go way effective January 1 2018, and there seems to be agreement among the parties and understanding and agreement is among western legislators that January 1 of 2018 is sufficient time for that to provision to go away and then the final section, Section 5 deals with authorities for hospital authorites and this just simply allows hospital authorities to be able to clearly do business across state lines and that that's an issue for a couple of our large hospitals systems that sit on the board with other states, I know of no opposition to the amendment and I would be happy to answer any question would appreciate your support. What purpose does the gentleman from Brunswick wish to debate the amendment or is it just on the bill. Further discussion further debate on the Dollar amendment, if not the question before the House is the adoption of amendment one offered by Representative Dollar. Those in favor will vote aye and those opposed will vote no, the Clerk will open the Vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 109 having voted in the affirmative and none on the negative the amendment is adopted, we are now back on the bill. For what purpose does the gentleman from Brunswick, Representative [xx] arise? To debate the bill.  The gentleman has the or to debate the bill? Mr. Speaker if I may ask the bill sponsor a question before I debate the bill? Mr. Speaker. Does the gentleman from Dare yield to the gentleman from Brunswick? Yes Mr Speaker. He Yields. Just a point of clarification does this bill require the same operator to apply or can it be a totally different operator? SON follows the owner of the building which is currently under an LLC which is not made the request at this point so it is still I mentioned in my points at the beginning was they still have to obtain the ownership of the building if any entity wanted to be treated as a legacy at the end of this bill. Thank you. Debate the bill Mr. Speaker? The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Mr. Speaker I am going to speak to my interest in this just for a few minutes, but first look on your desk if you will, there's opinion piece [xx] to the editor from the Washington Daily news of last Sunday not yesterday but the Sunday before, it's a HP 20, this was an HP point at one time it's now senate bill 698, but by this letter you'll see an outstanding citizen, a pastor, I understand pastor of a church Bel Heavens that explains sort of what the mayor has been

up to as far as this campagn he has been on about this hospital and then I want to explain my interest, a lot of you have questioned why I'm interested in this, [xx] last December, I started asking my brother who was a resident in this town for that last eight month, for the first six months and then last couple of month I've had to pay attention to Beaufort county a lot more I had a bout the situation and some of the tactics that were being described that I will be describing the senator and the representative how do you respond felt constraints from getting into this, I totally understand. I don't get into local disputes in my town either, but is North Carolina, I couldn't just walk away people seemed hopeless to fight I consider a big bully. As of last week the mayor choose to partially question my motivation. Some of you got an email about that, and thereby he drew me into the discussion. Before you vote you need to know the real situation on the ground and what kind of people you're dealing with as well as a few facts about, what is going on there as far as verdant[sp?] and the investments they are making. A few of the facts a membership of a community based LLC which has been referred to, that owns the old Belhaven hospital facility, the building is made up of over 100 members, many representing families that contributed to the hospital over many decades. The first part hospital was built in the 1940's is now filled with mold and asbestos and other products that make it basically unsuitable. when the facility was closed in July of 2014, the average visits per day was four visits per day and was over $1.5 million in debt. The community based LLC membership voted overwhelmingly to go with the verdict health proposal for a new multi special facility, rather than the current Mayor's proposal to reopen the old facility with loans from the federal government which will be $6 million and now he's looking for from the USDA by the way. So his newly formed LLC, which he is the chairman of the Fungal Medical Center LLC, which is newly formed he's the chairman, a friend of his on county commission is the vice chairman, and a friend of there's is the secretary so as they are telling you room for politicians trying to operate the hospital. Guilford and Hise County boards of commissioners by unanimous or overwhelming margins have refused to loan money to the town of Belhaven to pursue the eminent domain proceedings to seize Bel Hospital property. He wants to seize the property by eminent domain from the current owners and give it to his LLC. As a great [xx] with the community based LLC if I don't [xx] building 24/7 to have a clinic services building, supporting several families practices in building a $5 million multi specialist specially facility when they headed up here they were open in June 2016 they would employ 52 people and they had a payroll of 3.7 million. This is at the current clinic and family pracs is nearly 100 per day compared to four which proves that this is a safer model for the area. This is the 21st century model not the 1950s model. In addition for higher counties are both expanding and outgrowing there emergency medical facilities EMS to paramedic level and that is actually given $500 000 to vote for county I am not sure whether they were given the hide or not but four hundred upgrade there image facilities and I know somebody today that they are the same distance from the Washington hospital that I am from the South Ward hospital in time 20/25 minutes, so that's been a big deal about the money [xx]. They also have EMS and a helipad and a helicopter serve, medicaid service, fully staffed 24/7 at the Washen[sp?] airport just a minute from Belhaven and Western North County, the new miles were effective and efficient rural health care is thriving in Belhaven through partnerships with the public and private sectors and the proposed waiver for BellHaven in this bill will slow down or stop the private sector side of these initiatives taxpay dollars and result in less health care choice in access of the bill highway[sp?] area. The 1950s mental[sp?] hospital is proposed to occupy an obsolete building for the mold and asbestos a bill the mayor wants to see which I have always stated and give it to his personal LLC, then he wants a $6 million loan from the USDA which of course, he can't get

without a bailing or a CON. A vote for this bill will help enable him to pull off THE scam and compete with the private investor using taxpayer dollars rather than private funds. So if you're for using taxpayer dollars to compete with private entity, then you should vote for this. If not, you should vote against it. Thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Craven representative Speciale rise? To speak on on the bill.  The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill.  Ladies and gentlemen, this is not spending a dime to do anything. This is just nearly giving the mayor. I mean, they have the mayor of the town and they had a county commissioner walk all the way from Buffalo county up to here, to try and gather support for this. All we are doing is keeping the state out of the way so that they can make an attempt to get this place open. Now whether they'll succeed in opening the hospital again or not, there's no guarantees, but if this is what they want to do, if this is what the mayor was elected to do, if this is what the county commission there wants to do or however many of them support it, that's what we're doing, this is Beaufort county, representative Tine and myself represent Beaufort county and while this is specifically in his district I support people doing what they want to do, I've receiver no opposition form this. Okay so there's an opinion anybody can write opinion on what they like, I understand there's some personality conflict between representative and a mayor but all we're asking you to do this is not going to cost us a dime this is just saying look if you want to go through all the changes that are required to do this try and get all this certifications and do all this stuff we're not going to stand in your way. That's all this is, so I'm asking you, let's support our local folks and let them do what it is that they are trying to do if they are able to do it. Please vote for this, thank you For what purpose does the gentleman from Blaspit, Representative Bower rise? To speak a second time.  The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill a second time.  Thank you Mr. Speaker, a couple of points my friend from Craven. First I want to ask him a question and also let him know that the Buffalo county commission voted 6 to 1 not to loan money, a lot of money that the Mayor was asking to In the  domain 6-1, and the one was the one that walked up here on the stand with the Mayor. Secondly it's not much of a personality conflict but he's a bully that has been bullying his citizens and his fellow council members if you saw a video that I passed around by email today belhaven news.com you saw him bullying his citizens and his council members, so it's not so much a personality conflict, it's just voting for or against the bully. Thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Iredell Representative Turner arise?  To debate Bill a second time please. The gentleman has the floor to debate the Bill a second time.  Thank you Mr. Speaker I would like to bring this Act to the actual policy of the Bill, the policy of the Bill is that right now, we cannot determine one existing hospital is, no matter where it is in the state, it doesn't matter who the personalities involved are right now DHHS has no way of deciding whether it's one day, 24 months or 10 years. This will provide stability if in the process, so that everyone who closes the hospital, has a chance to reopen it, and do the right thing for their community. I would ask for your support. Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 698 on its second reading. Those in favor will vote aye, those oppose no. The Clerk will open the vote. [ BLANK ] The Clerk will lock the machine will record the vote. 101 having voted in the affirmative and 9 in the negative, senate bill 698 passes it's second reading and will without objection, be read a third time. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 698 on its third reading. Those in favour will say aye. Aye. Those oppose no. The Ayes have it. Senate bill 698 passes its third reading will be sent to the senate. The bill will also be engrossed and returned to the senate. Notices and announcements? For what purpose does the gentleman from [xx] representative Davis rise? Thank you Mr. Speaker. To change my vote on senate bill 698 from No to Yes. The gentleman will be recorded as having vote aye on senate bill 698. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Dollar rise? For an announcement. Gentleman has the floor for an announcement.

I will make this announcement again after this evening session, but just as a reminder, for some of you who are not going to be here, we will have fora full pre-session committee tomorrow morning at 830 A. M, follow pre-session tomorrow at 8.30, the one senate bill that's on there bill 737 it will actually be that bill but the other bill, the house bill we're changing it to a different PCS and hopefully you'll get that tonight or you'll get it first thing in the morning and we may add a couple of bills in the morning that are Members the Chair directs that Senate Bill 676 short title autism health insurance coverage be removed from the community on rules county and of calendar [xx] 36B. The Chair would also move that the bill be added to this evening's calendar and will be taking up at 7.30, is there objection to this bill being added to this evening's calendar? Mr speaker. For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Rep Cole rise? Could I have just a moment to look get it or if you would reserve decision till that calendar, either one. The gentlemen take the moment.  Senate bill 676 this is the autism health insurance coverage bill that was passed by the senate. The Chair will gladly inform the member that there's a bill Representative Mcgrady has been working on and I think this bill that this is not Representative Mcgrady's bill but I believe he is fine with the bill being heard this evening as well. Chair knows of. Thank you Mr speaker Representative Mcgrady is consenting to it then. Mr speaker, for what purpose does the gentleman from Craven Representative Speciale rise? Is there a reason why we can't wait till tomorrow give us time to look at the bill? Well the members are going to have, it we take the bill this evening it's a little after 4 we are going to be back at 7:30, so the members would have a little over three hours to look at the bill between now and then. It's without objection the bill will be calendar for this evening. Special message from the senate the Clerk will read. Mr speaker, senate message received today the house of Representatives fail to concur with house bill 272 senate committee substitute firth edition a bill to be entitled and act to appoint persons of various point recommendations of the speaker of the House representative, the president pro tempo of the Senate and minority leader of the Senate [xx] reports chairs on the of the Senate that controls like [xx] committee appointed by honorary [xx] to be resolved. Respectful Senator Lane, personal clerk. Noted and for the record that maybe the smallest conference committee appointed in history of the legislature. Any further notices or announcements? If not the house does provide subject to subject of [xx] bills message from the senate committee reports, conference reports, re-referral bills resolutions and appointment of conferees stand in recess until 7:30 PM. We all recess Upon a motion of Representative Louis, Senate Bill 561 PCS for special needs scholarships enrollment increase is removed from the committee on Rules, Calendar and Operations of the House and re-referred to the committee on Appropriations. Upon a motion of Representative Louis, Senate Bill six PCS option in scholarships, there is a motion the committee on rules and refereed to the committee of appropriations. Upon motion of Representative Louis senate bill 248, an act to amend the charter, the town of  Cary to authorize the town council to

delegate the city manager the authority to dispose the business that no longer needed by the town, he's removed from the committee on the local government, we refered to the committee on rules, calendar and operations of the house. Motion Representative Louis senate Bill 249 a short title, an act granting authority to the [xx] to require developers of multifamily units to provide funds for recreational land to serve multi family developments, he's removed from the committee on local government number one and the referral to Judiciary number one is stricken and the bill is re-referred to the committee of rules, calendar and operations of the House. May I have your attention please? Visitors please retire from the chamber as the House prepares to return from recess. Thank you. the house is in recess until 8 PM. May I have your attention please, visitors please retire from the chamber as the house prepares to return from recess, thank you. The house will come back to order, special message from the senate, the clerk will read. Mr. Speaker be sent to the House of Representatives with information that the Senate adopts the report of the conferees for House Bill 215 conference committee substitute, a bill to be entitled an Act to establish Procedure and Waiver the Rights to Jury Trial for Criminal Cases in Superior Court. When the appropriate action has been taken by both chambers, the bill will be ordered enrolled. Carolina principal clerk. Noted, the bill is ordered enrolled and sent to the Governor and so the clerk may continue.  Mr speaker it is ordered that the messages we sent to the house of representatives with the confirmation that the senator adopt a report for conferees for house bill 495, a conference report, a bill to be entitled an act to enhance effectiveness and efficiency of state government by modernizing the state system and human resources management. When appropriate action has been taken by both chambers, there will be reorder enrolled, respectfully [xx] principal Clerk. Noted the bill is further ordered and rolled and sent to the Governor. Representative McElle is recognised to send forth the copies report, the Clerk will read Conferees appointed to resolve the difference between the Senate and the House of Representatives on House Bill 765, a bill to be entitled an Act to Provide further Regulatory Relief for the Citizens of North Carolina by Providing Various Administrative Reforms, by Eliminating Certain Unnecessary ord Outdated Statutes and Regulations, by Modernizing or Simplifying Cumbersome or Outdated Regulations and by making Various other Statutory Changes. The Senate Finance Committee substitute adopts 630/15, fourth edition, engrossed 7/2/15, submit the following report. Delete the entire Senate  Finance Committee substitute, adopt 630/15, forth edition, engrossed 7/2/15 and substitute the attached proposed conference committee substitute 8765-PCCS40526-SBF-6. The conferees recommended for the state Senate, the House of Representatives adopt this report. They, the conferees, approve the report September 28, 2015. Conferees for senators Way Chair, senators Brooke, Jackson, Alexander, Mckenis and [xx]. Conferees for house of representatives. Representatives [xx] Chair. Representative Ark, Stem, Goodman, Twebick and [xx]. Calender[sp?] and will be calendered for tomorrow September 29Th. The clerk will read the conferees report for house bill 272.

Conferees report to resolve the difference between the senate and the house of representative on house bill 272 appear to be entitled an act to appoint persons of various public office, upon the recommendation of the speaker of the house of representatives, the president [xx] of the senate and the minority of the senate leader of the senate rules in operations of the senate committee substitute adopt 92315 forth edition, engross 92415 submit the following report. conferees recommended to the Senate and House representatives to adopt this report, day conferees report, approve report September 28, 2015. Chair Senator Berger and Chairs Senator Fulmore. Calendar and without objection, this evening's calendar so ordered Mr speaker?   For what purpose does the gentleman from Cumberland Representative Floyd rise? Mr speaker before we get into this evenings calendar could you just call out the bill that will be placed, could you just call a bill out that you've already placed on the calendar for this evening. The bills that were added earlier on the dashboard I'll be glad to tell those house bill 805 it's called measureability amendments or assessments. Senate bill 670 forth an amendment for board of governor members, senate bill 524 grand requirements sports pilot[sp?], senate bill 313 industrial himp[sp?], senate bill 676 autism health insurance coverage, and in the bill that was just added, the conference report was House bill 272 that's the speakers and president pentium[sp?] appointments. Thank you Mr speaker.  And there may be some other reports om rules I'm not had an opportunity to speak to the rules chair yet. That's what we have so far. Members on couple special greeting we need to make on behalf of the members from Gaston Representative Torbett, Hastings and Bumgardner the Chair is happy to extend courtesies to the gallery to mark this step and Giovanni Gambino would you all please stand so that we can welcome you and thank you for being here with us this afternoon. Thank you for being here this evening gentlemen, also a motion of the the lady from Davie County Representative Howard the Chair is happy to extend the courtesy to the gallery to Erik Galian who is the State Youth Counselor Coordinator with the youth legislative assembly and Daniel Avado[sp?] from Wilson who serves as a co-chair of the civil rights committee would you all please stand so that we can welcome you as well thank you for being with us. The gentleman from McDowell representative Dobson is recognized to send forth the conference report the Clerk will read. To resolve the difference between the senate and the House of Representatives on house bill 327 appear to be entitled and act of study emergency medical service personnel safety and hospital threats and what defensive resources should be allowed to prevent injuries to emergency medical services personnel of the patients under the care of and make technical and conformable changes to the statutes governing the regulations of emergency medical services to reflect the international standards for emergency medical personnel senate heath care committee substitute adopts 61115 fourth edition engrossed 61515 submit the following report. Delete the Intel senate health care and substitute the attached proposed conference commuter substitute each 3-7 days ES10456-TA-1 conferees recommended that senate and house of representative adopt this report then conferees approve report September 28, 2015, confrees for the Senate, Senator Brock Chair, Senator Jackson and Rabon, confrerence for the House Representative Senator Dobson, chair, Senator Cheetah and time. There will be a conference for the counter is directed to be ordered counter will be counter for tomorrow September 29th. Senate bill 605 the clerk will read. Senator Rucho, senator Rabin and Tine, senate bill 605 a bill to

be entitled amend to make various changes to the revenue lost. General Asembly of North Carolina enact. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenbulg, representative Ralye rise? To debate the bill Mr. Speaker. Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. This bill was debated last week, had a very good vote with 75 all in favor 28 against. There were a couple of provisions that had been taken out in the committee that we talked about and we continued to look at this bill and found that there might be a couple of other things that we want to deal with, Mr speaker Representative Blackwell will have an amendment to deal with two parts of section 6.1 that will clean up the language to allow LEAs to maintain flexibility on the ones they receive from counties, and Representative Stam will have an amendment to deal with some transportation funding problems that we had some difficulties with the Strategic Transportation Investments Law. This improved the bill and we believe that this bill should receive the support of the body as do this two Amendments, there's also an Amendment that Representative Bumgardener will be bringing forward, I have not read it but I believe it'll probably be okay, I will adress each amendment as they're offered, but at this point I would encourage the body to support at least the two amendments that about which I've spoken and the bill thank you. what purpose that the gentleman from Burke Representative Blackwell arise. To send forth an amendment. The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment, the clerk will read. Representative Blackwell moves to amend the bill on page 29 lines five through forty by deleting those lines. The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker, I'll only take a minute, in these days in which we're asking our schools to do more and more and to meet challenges and to improve student outcomes rather than tying their hands we need to give them some flexibility with the funds that we provide them. This amendment will simply delete language that I think goes too far in the direction of micro-managing what the schools can do with those funds and I would respectfully ask the house to approve this amendment. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Brawley rise? Mr. Speaker to speak in favor the amendment. The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker, section 6.1B which is given the board of county commissioners authority to direct leonine in spending and section 6.1C requiring the school board to get permission before managing their business, and while we appreciate the enthusiasm a board of county commissioners to represent their citizens, perhaps this is so much overreach that we don't need both boards doing this. I would encourage people to support the amendment, further discussion for the debate on the amendment, if not the question before the house is the adoption of amendment one sent forth by representative Blackwell, those in favor will vote aye those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. the clerk will lock lock the machine to record the votes, 111 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative, the amendment is adopted. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Stam rise? Send forth an amendment. Gentleman is recognised to send forth the amendment Clerk will read. Representative Stam moves to amend the bill on page 33 lines 14 through 15 I'm starting to follow a new section between the lines. The gentleman has the forward to debate the amendment. Mr. Speaker, members of the house, I didn't know it, you didn't know it, but I have magical for powers, without communicating with anyone or knowing what was going on, the budget conferees of which I was nominally one but not actually involved in the budget, inserted a provision they put a cap on funding for the Durham-Orange light rail at 500, 000 apparently killing deal but apparently my magical powers extended to without me even thinking about it I got our conferees to put it in there and you can read all about it in my local paper, the News and Observer where they gave me credit for this. Well, I was initially please with this because I'm not a fan of light rail I don't see how it can possibly be economical, but I found out later that in fact under our strategic transportation initiative that program

actually scored well and was possibly going to be funded. Well I'm a numbers guy and I said, well, that's pretty good. Well, last week in finance on this Bill, I happened to see in the Bill, another provision that was going to delete Wake County's Rail Program although it's not light rail, well, I'm not a fan of that, I'm not a supporter of that when they ever going out for a referendum I'm going to fight that referendum for various reasons, but the provision in this bill in the finance say that if Wake county tax it's own citizens for this purpose that therefore we get no state funds which to me is exactly backwards or opposite of how you would phrase something so with the consent of the proponents of the bill we took that out. Well I would ask you to take that provision out of the budget bill as well because it just doesn't make any sense if we are going to have a strategic transportation we ought to go by numbers, again I'm magically inclined and somehow I think I can maybe manipulate those numbers by osmosis to the department of transportation and show them that really it's not a good idea, but until that time comes I think you ought to vote for this amendment. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg representative Brawley rise? To speak in favor of the amendment. Gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment.  Thank you Mr. Speaker, I think the Representative from Wake stated the case very well we set up our procedure which involves engineers and a lot of data driven decision making, the idea was as for the bill of transportation things we need that makes sense without a lot of politics  involved and the idea was wee may not like the answer but the answer would probably be better than we may get by just counting our votes. So also not being a particular fan Wright rail but I want to support the position of the gentleman from Wake as a position that I hold myself. Let's let the professionals design the transportation systems, thank you Mr. Speaker. For what purpose does the gentleman from [xx], Representative Specially[sp?] rise? To See if Representative Stan would answer a question. Does the gentleman from Wake yield to the gentleman from Craven?  I do, He yields.  I got to ask you again, what in the world is this Amendment doing and speak slower, I'm a friend of Jeter's. I'm sorry what was your question?  I don't understand what the amendment is doing. Okay it repeals a section of the budget bill which is now low which caps at $500, 000 the amount of transport state transportation money that can be spent on the Orange to Durham transportation system. I'm not a fan of it, I've no constituents in Durham Orange county I just think we've to stick with the numbers under our strategic transportation initiative Further discussion, further debate. if not the question for the house is the adoption of amendment two sent forth by Representative Stam. Those in favour will vote aye, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote the clerk will open the machine and record the vote 82 having voted in the affirmative, and 27 in the negative, the amendment is adopted. For what purpose does the gentleman from Gaston Representative Baumgardner rise? Send forth an amendment. The gentleman has the floor to send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. Representative Baumgardner rose to amend the bill on page three line three about rewriting that line to read. The gentleman from Gaston has the floor to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker, this amendment was part of another bill that we passed through the house. I'm not sure if it was unanimous but it was nearly if it wasn't. This allows, just like it says, a deduction for losses incurred from a fraudulent investment arrangement where it keeps a person who had money taken from their retirement account, it makes it so that the department of revenue is not going to go after them for taxes on money that they didn't get. I would ask for your support.

For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenberg, Representative Brawley, rise? To debate the amendment. The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. Mr. Speaker, I support the gentleman's amendment. For what purpose does the gentleman from Ashe, Representative Jordan, rise? Inquiry the amendment sponsor. Does the gentleman from Gaston yield to the gentleman from Ashe? I yield. He yields. Thank you, Representative. This language seems vaguely familiar. We may have seen it three times. What's the status of this language, if it's popular over here, why is it not completed? Why is it not a fait accompli? the Bill that this was a part of is 267. It's an Insurance Agency Bill that the Senate is not going to take up is what I was told. That's why I'm doing an Amendment on this Revenue Bill to try and get this through.  Follow up? Does the gentleman yield to an additional question?  I yield.  He yields.  Do you think they are more favorable to this language if it's in this Bill rather than the other Bill?  I don't think that this part of the Bill that they have over in the Senate had any negative effect on the Bill. I think it was the rest of the Bill was the reason they didn't take it up. It wasn't because of this.  Thank you, Mr. Speaker For what purpose does the gentleman from Gilford represented Boars rise? Mr Speaker may I be reflected as voting no on amendment two. Gentlemen agree recorders having vote no on amendment two. Further discussion further debate on the amendment. If not the question before the house is the adoption of amendment three set forth by Representative Gardner[sp?] those in favor will vote aye those opposed to vote no. The clerk  will open to vote. The Representatives up and [xx] or either the gentleman on the floor. Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 108 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. The amendment is adopted we are now back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate on the bill, if not the question before the house is the passage the Senate Bill 605 on its third reading, those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no the clerk will open the vote. Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 102 having voted in the affirmative and seven in the negative senate bill 605 passes its third reading the bill is ordered engrossed and sent to the senate. House bill 805, the clerk will read. Representative Blackwell and Avilla, house bill 805, a bill to entitle and act to provide the measurability assessment of state programs. General Assembly of North Carolina enact. Further discussion, further debate. For what purpose does the gentleman from Burke, Represnetative Blaker rise? Mr speaker I'd like to ask the house to support this legislation The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill.   This had two good hearings in leg reform to my knowledge there was no objection there it was heard again in rules today, no objection there it will simply authorize the state to put in place a process that will be available when we and the legislature choose to take advantage of it to provide for an independent assessment of particular programs that we would to set up to produce data that allows us to judge whether we are getting the job done that the legislation intended, thank you sir. For what purpose does the lady from Lake, Representative alberta Ross rise? To debate the bill.   The lady has the floor to debate the bill.  Thank you Mr. Speaker, Representative Blackwell mentioned evaluating programs we already have, I'm much more in favor of this approach simply because it will help us plan better pilots, I actually try to put legislation through this year that dealt with a pilot that wasn't well thought out, well directed and we had to make a decision based on anecdote, and that's probably the worst basis to make decisions when you're talking about people's lives and millions of dollars, and for that reason I definitely would ask for your support on this because what happens if you're lucky all the issues

that are going to impact your hypothesis will show up in your pilot, but unfortunately too many times that's not the case and they show up when you've put it into implementation and as I said that's a waste of a lot of time. It could even endanger peoples lives and it definitely throws away a lot of money so I would ask for your support for this piece of legislation thank you. Further discussion for the debate? If not the question the question before he house is the passage of house bill 805 on it's second reading, those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 110 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative house bill 805 passes it's second reading and will without objection be read a third time. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts.  For what purpose dose the lady from Wilson, Representative Farmer-Butterfield, rise? To change my vote on Senate Bill 605 to aye. The lady will be recorded as voting aye on Senate Bill 605. The question for the House is the passage of House Bill 805 on its third reading those in favor will say aye. Aye. Those opposed no. The ayes have it. House bill 805 passes its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. House Bill 272. The Clerk will read. Conferees appointed to resolve the differences between the senate and house of Representatives on house bill 272, a bill to be entitled an actual person of various public office upon recommendation of the Speaker of the house of representative and President [xx] was the Senate and minority leader of the Senate rules and operations. The senate committee substitute adopt [xx] 315 forth edition and engross 92415 submit the following report. The conferees recommend that the senate and the house of representatives without this report they can't freeze approved reports September 28th 2015. Senator [xx] and Representative Tim Moore, Chair. The gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam, is recognized for a motion. I move we adopt the conference report. The gentleman has moved the House to adopt the conference report to House Bill 272. Further discussion, further debate? The gentleman has the floor to debate the motion if you like. This is the Speaker's and the President Pro Term's appointment bill that's once changed to senatorial appointment further discussion, further debate if not the question before the house is the motion to adopt the conference report House bill 272 those in favor will vote aye those opposed will vote no the clerk will open the vote The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote 409 having voted in the affirmative and one in the negative the conference report is adopted and the Senate will be so notified Senate Bill 524 the clerk will read Senators Curtis to check Tillman Senate Bill 524, bill to be entitled act to enhance the rigor of instruction of the finding principles of authorizing Department of Covert Instruction to use [xx] to conduct pallet program on the integrated community based to adopt sports programs for students with disabilities. General assembly of North Carolinian enact. For what purpose does the the gentleman from Wake Representative Stam rise? To debate the bill. The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Mr speaker members of the house the bill does two things. The first section makes a few additions to our founding principles act that we adopted in 2011 just adding the I think the three additional principles like for example civilian control of the military which thank goodness we've had for centuries now and that's taught in a semester course that students are required to take during high school. The second part of the bill I think it's really important, it was actually in the house budget, it was in a Senate Bill which passed senate education but it just did not make into the  final budget and it allows DPI to use up to $300, 000 for adaptive sports pilot that is for children with special needs develop mental disabilities so they can do real sports. Actually, this proposal has got nationwide attention as the way to do it, and I believe it will be really be a good thing.

The groups have grants to add to this amount but this mounts will allow them to get started on this type of program. It was, I don't believe, controversial in the house. I ask for your support on the second reading for this bill. Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 524 on second reading. Those in favour will vote aye, oppose will vote no, the Clerk will open the vote. [ BLANK ] Is representative Wayne on the floor. The Clerk will lock the machine will record the vote. 105 having voted in the affirmative and 5 in the negative. Senate bill 524 passes its second reading and will without objection, be read a third time. General Assembly of North Carolinian enact. For what purpose does the discussion for the debate? If not the question before the House is the passage of senate bill 524 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye, Aye! Those oppose no the ayes have it, senate bill 524 passes it's third reading, the bill will be returned to the senate. Mr speaker. For For what purpose does the gentleman from Orange, Representative Meyerrise? Thank you Mr speaker, I' like to be recorded as voting no on524 Gentleman is asking to be recorded no on senate bill 524. The gentleman will be so recorded. Special message from the senate, the clerk will read House bill 526 Senate committee substitute fourth edition, a bill to be entitled An Act To Deannex Certain Described Property From The City Of Lucas And Annex The Same Described Property to the town of Stanfield and add certain prior property to corporate limits of the town of Waynesville [xx] to the referendum in concurrence with the senate committee substitute. Senate substitute of raw material be counted for rule 36 bill be counted for tomorrow and members without subject rule 12 H is suspended. Special message from the senate the clerk will read. Mr speaker is ordered the message sent to the house of Representative with information the senate bill to concur with senate bill 513 Greenhouse Committee substitute number three seventh edition, a bill to be entitled An Act To Provide Regulatory Relief of Agriculture Community of North Carolina By Providing Various Transportation environmental reforms and are making various other statutory changes and request conferees [xx] appoint Senator Jackson Chair, Senators Block and Wade are part of the senate to concur with like committee appointed by overall body to end the differences arising may be resolved respectively [xx] clerk Noted as to the senate conferees, Chair appoints as conferees for the house the following members Representative Dickson chair, members Representative West, Brody and Whitmire, the senate will be so notified, and members change house bill 526 the chair [xx] to the counter to present rule 36 b, the chair strikes that, bill is referred to the committee on rules, calendar and operations of the house Senate Bill 676, clerk will read. Senators Apodaca and Phil, senate bill 676 a bill to be entitled an act to provide the treatment of optimism-spectrum disorder St. Johnson, of North Carolina enact. For what purpose does the gentleman from Henderson, representative McGrey rise? Before you explain the bill Mr. Speaker. I'd like to send forth an amendment. The gentleman is recognized to send forth an amendment. The Clerk will read. Representative McGredy moves to amend the bill on page 3 line 39 through 41 by re-writing the lines to read. Representative McGrey, I do not believe that amendment is presently on the dashboard so if the gentleman would like to well, OK. I believe this is being scanned in momentarily, body will suspend all the members able to see the amendment on the dashboard now, Yem is recognized to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker, this amendment to the autism health insurance coverage bill. This is a completely technical amendment in preparation for the the bill coming to the floor, we asked the Department of Insurance to provide us with any comments that it might have, this amendment is completely acceptable to the Senate. Further discussion, further debate on

the amendment, if not the question before the house is the adoption of amendment brought forth by representative McGrady those in favor will vote aye those opposed will vote no the Clerk will open the vote Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 108 having voted on the affirmative and non on the negative the amendments adopted the gentleman has the vote to continue debate on the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Senate bill 676 creates a new code section that addresses health benefit coverage for the diagnosis of autism spectrum disorder. The bill requires certain health benefit plans to offer coverage for autism spectrum disorder. The bill defines Autism spectrum disorders by reference to the most recent additions of two manuals, but Autism is expressly curved out from the definition of mental illness in lines 43 and 44 on page two of the bill. The operative portion of this bill can be found on page 3 at line 16. Except is provided in subsection C of this section health benefits plan shall provide coverage for the screening diagnosis and treatment of autism spectrum disorder. Now the reference to subsection C is a reference to a cap or maximum benefit of up to $40000 per year and they'll be limited to individuals 18 years of age or younger, the bill goes on to provide that coverage cannot be denied on the basis of the treatments, or habilitive[sp?], or educational nature that coverage may be subject to co-payment, deductible and co-insurance provisions that similarly apply to a substantially all medical services covered by the healthcare plan. Now the controversy over the past several months around the bill has related to the provision especially curving out autism from the definition of mental illness. The reason for the angst was that one, most people view autism as a mental illness, and two and these is more importantly there was a fear that department of insurance and or the insurers would exclude autism for purposes of mental health parity under federal law, now that's a term of art and the science sponsors and I have worked on this issue and not having found a way to meet the senate's concerns about how this bill needed to be drafted and we went on a different angle and if the concern was that the department insurance or insurers would somehow misinterpret this law in a way that didn't realize that autism except for this one type of therapy was obviously a mental illness and would otherwise be provided with federal parity. The way to approach that was actually get the Department of Insurance and get cross blue shield and the insurers to agree as to the interpretation meaning that no one is going to misinterpret this law as not allowing mental health parity with respect to autism with respect to the other types of therapies other than this one that will necessary to allow for the caps that in the bill, all of this it relates back to the caps that the senate very much felt needed to be in the bill and I would tell you that both the autism society in North Carolina and autism speaks for perfectly fine with, so I would describe this as a walk around, and I gave everyone of you a copy of a letter that came from Blue cross Blue Shield and the letter hopefully speaks for itself but basically it will cost Blue Shield states that

it fully intends to provide treatment for autism at parity and follow the requirements of the federal law and with respect to the Department of insurance while I'm not sure if they needed to be any further clarity. If you look at page three line 45 the 50 subsection I is actually slightly amended and at the request to the Department Insurance, I again and the Senate actually did make clear that while for one type of therapy, purchase was not considered a mental illness because you need, there was a desire to have caps's to the cost of that type of therapy for all other purposes Autism will be deemed as mental illness and thus triggered the Federal Parity Provision. Now I became a lawyer for a reason, both my parents were doctors and I never want to carry an insurance or medical bill on the floor of the House again, because this is really hard stuff but I will tell you I think we've got a good solution here, and it  wasn't the way the House Bill was drafted, but I think it gets to the same twice. I have circulated both the Insurance companies letter and an explanation of how we're doing that to a number of really engaged activists many of you have gotten emails from me recently, as you can tell I have been trying to work with the broader Autism Community over the several last months, I would tell you that this is a good Bill, first I think it clearly expands coverage and mandates coverage for Autism and its really important that we adopt a bill and put this in place, because early treatment of Autism makes all the difference in the world, and frankly I didn't want and I hope we won't be responsible for not putting this in place as soon as we can, and beginning the therapy for many youth that can use this coverage, and use this therapy. With that Mr. Speaker I will sit down and if anybody has any questions I have got staff on the floor to help me respond thank you. Further discussion further debate? If not the question before the house is the passage senate bill 676 on it's second reading. Those in favor will vote Aye those oppose will vote No. The clerk will open the vote do the following members wish to record Representative Insko, Ford and Torbett. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote, 102 having voted in the affirmative and 7 in the negative Senate Bill 676 passes it's second reading and will without objection be read a third time.  General Assembly of North Carolina enacts.  Further discussion further debate? If not the question before the House is the passage of Senate Bill 676 on it's third reading. Those in favor will say aye, aye, those opposed no, the ayes have it. Senate Bill 676 passes it's third reading the Bill will be returned to the senate. Senate Bill 313 the clerk will read. Senator Bingham, Senate Bill 313 a Bill to be entitled an Act to recognize importance and legitimacy and industrial hemp research to relive the compliance with potions of federal agriculture Act 2014 and to the low increase agricultural employment, gentleman Simon. The gentleman from Nashville Representative Collins is recognized to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker. The purpose of this bill is very clearly stated on page one line 16, the purposes of this article are to establish an agricultural pilot program for the cultivation of industrial hemp in the state to provide the reporting on the program and to pursue any federal promise so ever as necessary to this industry. I wanted to give you just a little bit

of background on where this bill came from, this bill is actually proposed to me or suggested to me by some farmers back in my district, currently the United States is the world's largest importer of hemp most of which comes from China, and passing the 2014 farm bill, Congress legal as the growth or cultivation of hemp containing 0.3% or less THC, provided the state law would provide such a program currently North Carolina law does not allow for such a program. 23 other states do allow cultivation of industrial health and some form or rather. Without the 25, 000 uses Hemp is incredibly versatile in fact during the colonial era, Hemp was considered such an important resource that many of the colonies required their farmers to either grow hemp or pay a fee for not growing it, during world war two the united states government launched the hem for victory campaign to encourage farmers to apply for special license to go hunt for roads for the navy. North Carolina climate and growing season are idea for the production of Hemp, Hemp fits well into the soy bean and corn crop rotation cycles and if planted before soya beans or corn it acts as a pesticides actually cutting down on the need for chemical pesticides and increasing crop yield. It's also very similar to tobacco in and requires the a lot of the same equipment which we give our tobacco farmers who've had their contracts cut an alternative for production without having to borrow new equipment. Spring Hill North Carolina about 30 miles East of here is home to the largest decortication plant in North America and the only one in the United States. Decortication is a process by which hemp fiber is removed from the stalk of the plant because the profitability of cultivating hemp is largely dependent upon proximity to a decortication facility, the Spring Hill facility will give our farmers a leg up on this if we indeed go into this pilot program I won't bother you in giving you all 25, 000 uses of this plan, just give an idea of the variety of things it's used in. It's used in luxury vehicles to reduce road noise, it's used in building materials infact, camp insulation has been shown to help asthma sufferers and according to some of the advertisements that I have seen on TV lately apparently, that is a very important issue to some of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle of it's also is used in bed sheets, in fact a lot of hospitals use it in bed sheets because it actually cuts down the risk of staff infection. It's used in everything from clothing, shoes and handbags, to lotion and beauty products and fabrics. Infact the flag that Betsy Ross sold was made from Hemp fiber, and a lot of other things. This bill has been drafted in consultation with the department of agriculture and the shares association and the county commissioners association nicely has put this on their legislative wish list for this year. If you have any questions, the other thing I'd like to say is one of the questions that keeps coming up is can someone smoke the stuff and get high it's like a cheap form of marijuana and the answer is absolutely not in fact the 0.3% THC maximum limit on this is only a third 0.9% limit that we passed last year in the cannabinoid oil that is used to treat seizure disorders and by the way this product can also provide that oil that would be used to treat seizure disorders and also falls below the limit that we passed, I would be happy to answer any questions. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg representative Alexander rise? To speak on the bill.  The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. I simply want to applaud my colleagues from across the aisle in bringing forward this progressive piece legislation as he pointed out in listing some of the uses for him, we are in the past had counterfeited this particular plant and used it to great effect as they say what goes around comes around and some of my colleagues would say are kidding me about amendment I should put in which I have resisted doing and I urge everyone to less leak arms and voke green on this particular measure. For what purpose does the gentleman from Union representative Arp arise? See if the bill sponsor will answer a question.  Does the Gentleman from Nash yield to the gentleman from Union? I will do my best.  Representative Collins. Is there any visible difference between a plant that has 0.3% THC or not. I mean, what is the difference in the field and how's that manifested? The gentleman has the floor to answer. These plants are two different plants,

I've never seen it grow since it's been illegal to grow so I don't know what it resembles. Frankly, it's not just a marijuana plant with a lower THC level, it is a different plant purpose does the gentleman from Iredell Representative Fraley arise? To debate the bill. The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. I would urge you to support this Bill for having been in Textile Business all of my career, we've done a lot of work in trying to figure out how to use this fiber to make products as Representative Collin said, there're lots of benefits to it and hospital trade as it relates to staff and infections, if we can find a, someone can find a way to actually spin the fiber in to yarn, it could open up a lot of new possibilities for jobs and opportunities in North Carolina. I'd urge you to vote green, Thank you. For what purpose does the lady from Guilford Harrison arise? To change my vote on senate bill 676 to Aye please. The lady will be recorded the same vote to aye to senate bill 676, further discussion, further debate on this Bill? If not the question for the House is the passage of Senate Bill 313 on the Second Reading, those in favor will vote Aye those oppose the vote no, the Clerk will open the votes Representative Warren, Representative Ford does the gentleman wish to record? The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 101 having voted in the affirmative and 70 in the negative senate bill 313 passes its second reading and will without objection be read the third time. General Assembly of North Carolina annex Further discussion, further debate? If not the question before the house is the passage of senate bill 313 on its third reading. Those in favor will say aye, Aye! Those oppose no house have it senate bill 313 passes its third reading the bill will be returned to the senate. The amendment senate bill 670 the clerk will read. Senator Apodaca, senate bill 670, a bill to be entitled enact to limit the [xx] North Carolina board of governors to three terms General Assembly of North Carolina annex. Who is handling this bill? For what purpose does the gentleman form Harnett Representative Lewis rise? To debate the bill. The gentleman has the forward to debate the bill Mr. Speaker I would like to speak on the bill but Representative Stam actually has an amendment that will make my job of explaining the bill easier, may I sit down and allow him or would you consider allowing him to send forward the amendment. Representative [xx] the gentleman asked to be excused of the vote 24 1A. Thank you Sir. The gentleman will be excused from the vote. The gentleman from Wake, Representative Stam is recognized to send forth an amendment, the Clerk will read. Representative Stam move to amend the bill on page one line six by substitute in the year 2015 with the year 2017. The Gentleman from Wake has the floor to debate the amendment. Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the House there was some concern after the rules committee passed it that there's term limit bill might reconstrue to apply to people who are currently serving the term and this bill makes it clear that if they had been elected the could complete their term not withstanding the rest of the bill. Further discussion, further debate on the amendment? If not the question before the house is the adoption of amendment one send forth by Representative Stam. Those in favor will vote aye, those oppose will no, the Clerk will will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 180 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. Amendment one is adopted. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Martin rise? To send forth an amendment. The gentleman is recognized forth an amendment the clerk will read. Representative Martin moves to amend the bill on page one line three, by re-writing that  line to read. The gentleman from Lake is recognized to debate. Thank you very much Mr. Speaker, members, while we're taking a look at our board of governors, it occurred to me that it'd be a good time to refine another one of their processes. Right now of course the board is looking for a new

president of our university system and some folks out there have raised some concerns about the need for greater transparency.  This is going to be one of the highest paid employees of the people of North Carolina and so it probably makes sense for there to be a little bit more openness and allow the public to have a little bit better look at some of the final candidates. So my amendment addresses that concern by requiring that the board have at least three final candidates submitted to it and that those candidates names and especially their resumes be open for the people of North Carolina who are going to hire them, to take a look at and that also require just that the board have one open meeting at which the candidates were discussed. It wouldn't prohibit the board at all from having meetings behind closed doors to have more thorough vetting and discussion in comparison of the candidates, but at least those requirements have one meeting that's open to the public for that to be discussed. The final provision of it which is say pretty simple, one that they're required to actually have a vote on the selection of the president and that the candidate who is picked would receive the majority of the votes in the entire board I would appreciate your support.  Further discussion further debate, for what purpose does the gentleman Harnett Representative Lewis arise? To debate the amendment The gentleman has the floor to debate the amendment. Mr. Speaker this amendment appears to be everything you are actually in the modern, which is to improve transparency I would encourage members to support it. Further discussion further debate? If not the question for the house is the adoption of the amendment 274. Representative Martin[sp?], as those in favor vote aye, those opposed to vote no, the clerk will open the vote. Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 97 having voted in the affirmative and 11 in the negative the amendment is adopted we're now back on the bill. Further discussion further debate? If not the question for the house is the passage of senate bill 670 on second reading those in favor will vote aye, those oppose will vote no the Clerk will open the vote. do the following members wish to record the Representative act, Representative Adams, Warren and Baskerville? Clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 103 having voted in affirmative 5 in negative senate bill 670 pass its second reading remains on the calendar [xx] would the amendment change the title, that's why the bill I had to remain in the counter Mr. Chair ask concern the value that past ten O'clock this evening is there any objection? Hearing none so order. Special message from senate clerk will read. Mr. Speaker the only message to the senate the house of representatives with information the senate [xx] to record for conferees for house bill 765. Conference committee substitute, a bill to be entitled and act to to provide further regulatory relief for citizens of North Carolina by providing various administrative reforms by eliminating certain unnecessary and outdated statutes and regulations and modernizing simplify cumbersome and out dated of regulations and making values of the star choice changes when the corporate action has been taken by both chambers the bill will be orderly involved [xx]. Noted. Chair directs that senate bill 508, short titled and act to make various amendments to the bill bond laws be removed from the Committee on Judiciary Three and refer to Committee on Rules, Calendar and Operations of the House. The gentleman from Wayne, Representative Bell is recognized for an announcement. Thank you Mr speaker. Republicans, as soon as we go into recess, Republicans will caucus in room 1027, immediately upon recess, that's room 1027. Members, the House has one additional bill before it this evening. I'm unaware of another bill to add, but if there is one we'll come back obviously before the House on it. And of course that is house bill 943, the Bonds Bill, the Republicans are about to go into caucus and it is the intention of the chair that we go into recess until 9.30. Are there notices and announcements? Hearing none, subject to

the ratification of bills, messages from the senate community report, conference reports re-referral of bills or resolutions and appointment conferees, the house is here by standing at recess until 9:30 PM. May I have your attention, please. Visitors pleases retire from the chambers as the house prepares to return from recess. Thank you. Special message from the Senate the clerk will read.  Mr speakers it's honor to read the message sent to the house representatives with information that the senate adopt a report of the conferees for house bill 272 conference report a bill to be entitled an act to appoint persons of various public offices upon recommendation of the speaker perhaps a representative to present from the senate and we are now leaving. Action has been taken by both chambers involves respective ceremony. Noted the bill is ordered and lawed members we have an honorary [xx] with us this evening, Amanda Collin, if you're with us, would you stand and let us welcome you, thanks for being with us this evening. Concurrence vote second reading roll call House Bill 943 the clerk will read We coming up with ways in the house, house Bill 943  buildings the entire night after the due obligation for the purpose of accomplishing certain interrelated in united projects for further economic development in the state, consistent with connects NC plan transforming not learning that. For what purpose does the gentleman from Union, representative Craig rise? To make a motion. The gentleman may state his motion. Motion to concurrence house bill 943 senate committee substitute. The gentleman from Union Representative Bob has moved that the house do concur with the senate committee substitute for house bill 943, Representative Hack is recognized to debate the motion. Thank you Mr. Speaker, members thank you for, we've had a strong vote on the bonds in the past, and as we close debate tonight, I want to step back and not lose sight of what we're doing. Americans are frustrated and  working harder and harder to get an hand. More Americans believe now than never their kids and their next generation would be washed off crumbling the American dream. However we together [xx] a new story for North Carolina a new vision of leadership and responsibility. Working ahead and leading for decades into the future. We've had a lot of successes in North Carolina. Reported job growth is willing to top three in the nation, $445 million budget surplus, North Carolina unemployment reforms have paid off billions of dollars in debt to the Federal government and we have reduced the insignificant manners the tax burdens on the hardworking families in North Carolina ladies and gentlemen, we have a non-precedent and an opportunity and responsibility to restore their confidence and a better future. This is a common sense plan of action that does that. Imagine being able to have a plan that provides almost 50% more debt free by paying In cash for the things the state needs. This is a common a sense and affordable plan of action that does that imagine putting the people of North Carolina and control imagine letting them to sign their future, I trust the people and their wisdom and judgement, this plans put

the people in control by making this bond vote a vote of the people. Now is the time, now is the time to get North Carolinians the tools they need to help build future. Do you think it will cost less to build in the future? Do you think the interests rates will be lower in the future than where they are right? So many see the American dream as a well paying job and to build their own home, being able to spend quality time with the family, this plan invest in high tech jobs, the Ag industry, and the quality of life issues that matter to the people of North Carolina. North Carolina is one of the highest in the nation where people graduate stay here, therefore this plan invest in the science, in technology, in engineering, math, health or related fields in our universities so our children can graduate in these fields, stay here and contribute to the new high-tech economy, and the high-tech agricultural industry. This plan is wise and fiscally conservative that stops raiding the highway fund and pay cash, debt free to invest in our roads, in bridges, in transportation. This plan does not have a tax increase, this plan has no debt pressure greater than what it is and in fact will be almost a Billion dollars less in debt in six years than where we are right now this plan is wise and fiscally conservative that provides real solutions and real results. I ask for you to believe in the future on North Carolina and to support this vision and vote yes on this Bond.  For what purpose does the gentleman from New Union Representative Brody arise? This is speaker, May I speak on the Bill please?  The gentleman may debate the conference report,  I spoke on the Bond and when we first came up a couple of weeks ago whenever I was now and because I'm speaking with the debt free plan but apparently it didn't go over too well with everybody, so, but I'm going to stick with it constantly, and that's what you'll hear. But I wanted to speak a little bit on this here. To begin with, I want everybody to be aware of what we are doing, literally what we are doing. About four and a half years ago, the Republicans came under control, and you know what our battle cry was? Governor Peru ran us to nearly 8 billion dollars in debt, and we screamed and hauled about that. And what we did was, we decided we we're not going to borrow, just plain and simple as that. So, we just borrowed just minimal last year but basically, we weren't going to borrow. And we didn't, so what does that do four and half years later? We paid down the debt. A couple of billion dollars. Now just so you remember just so you will know exactly what we are going to do we will go back up again and that's okay because we're Republicans we can do this. Just want to start it all if the speaker will permit a little preamble on this whole issue and the reason why I got preamble is because I'm probably the most unlikely person or council to be up here complaining about debt, but I think I have a very good reason. I'm a contractor and as you know, over the last seven years or so, we've been a pretty heavy recession and which basically got it out my industry as well as real estate and mortgage lending, I was just starting to recover. So I went through that and I'm not complaining that I had to do it, my wife, and I we had a lot of faith in God and trusted it into His hands and we got through he did and during that time I was able to run for office which I did and won, but I wondered why, in the world, did God go through this. Was there something I had to learn or something like that because basically [xx] extremely well funded business and so I decided well, I said he did teach me something and here's what I figured I learned. Three things: One, that bad things can happen because of situations beyond our doing or our control basically, if something like that happens, do we have an escape strategy, a strategy at all, does this state have a strategy

in case it ever ends up in the same situation. We say we are going to put a billion dollars aside, but you know, we'll burn through a billion dollars really quick. The second is, can happen so fast that it can catch you unprepared. We are through our reserves but you know what, we live in a really volatile world and so what we're doing is not only our reserves, we are spending our additional reserves and the third thing is the intensity of the crisis is never known until it's too late to adjust, that's why I want to be debt free, basically is we can adjust real quickly but I have that personal interest that I lived through this recession and it was hard work so what we're doing is basically we're spending $2 billion of our reserves on projects that as I'm going to go through, I'm not going to through every one of them but I'm going to go through a few and to say we don't really need to spend this money so I want to talk to you about backs and I'm not talking of business person to business person, and I want to start with universities which is the bulk of this one billion dollars or just about that. If you had a business that had 14 separate sites, if none of them were operating in to capacity, anywhere near capacity, would you spend your money trying to do something to enhance them? Would you physically reach into your own pocket and take out that money and spend it on something where you knew there was capacity to do without it and so what I did was, I said that this thing over here it's four pages and basically I run through it pretty quickly but this I'm hoping should address the point. On page one is the UNC system totally and as you can see by the chart we have a target area which is the supposedly capacity of the university which is really less than the actual capacity, as you can see on the first line the UNC system itself is way under capacity and requires the actual numbers down at the bottom in the graph. So it took a couple of universities you can see on the left hand side you can actually go in this website by the way this is the university of North Carolina website, this is an advocacy website of any sorts and you can pull any one of these up. The first one I actually look at NC state and you can see answers on page two, you can see they are all so way under capacity. In fact you can see if you look at the numbers on the chart down bellow you will actually see that over the last five years is still pretty much the same, very little growth The page three is the one I'm going to concentrate a little bit more on and as the UNCC or University of North Carolina in Charlotte. And you can see they touch their theoretical capacity but they are still way below and it's on this chart is not only does have class room it has lab. So you see both those and the last page, page four, this is your daily usage and the system as a whole. And you can see by the bar graphs the system at whole never reaches 50% of actually uses on the days that they have classes. In this particular one I've selected 8am to 5pm, and the capacity is 35 hours of usage per week which there is no reason I can't go to 40 hours, but I want to drill in little deeper on the UNCC1 and just give you an example total room usage at 8 AM is 25%, 10AM is 30, noon is 51, 2PM is 47%, 4PM is 25 and 6PM is 35, you can see that if you look at those figures you can practically double the enrollment that you and UNCC never touch your total capacity so that's basically what I'm saying is we just haven't reached our capacity. We're supposed to be doing business

out of state, if you run your business like this where you are going to find things in another capacity you would be out of business unless you believe the tax dollars using tax dollars doesn't require us to use incoming business practices, so I'm going to finish up because I think I'm pretty much out of time from the close, a couple of other things that are really interesting in this Bill were, I'd say you should oppose it, on page 3 line 89 we say that we can borrow from any Institution whether in the United States or others out of the United States looks like we may be potentially borrowing from China. I don't know how everybody feels about that, but so that's a possibility. The second one is that Representative Bob may appoint to say we look at how quickly we're going to pay it off, it is a possibility but you know what the Bill says that we can harmonize this up for 40 years and anybody whose done any decision, have you look at your hard one statement or well you bought a house, you'll see that you paid your house make payments for the 30 years you'll almost triple the cost of what you pay, so $2 billion if it happens, are we going re-session again we slow down whatever we do we'd be possibly be paying this for 40 years it's [xx] in the bill which will be paid at $2 billion we may be up to $6 or 7 billion by the time we finally get done paying this. And last of all my favorite one in the whole bill The gentleman's time has expired the chair will give the gentleman 30 seconds just to conclude very quickly. That's all I really need thank you sir, is the soil and water grants, we're going to borrow money for 20, 30, 40 years, and we are going to give it away, that's really not a good business model and I ask you to oppose the bill, thank you. For what purpose does the gentleman from Union, Representative Arp rise? To speak on the bill. The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill. Ladies and gentlemen I just want to I am not trying to get into and extended debate in this late hour but I just cant sit back and let misinformation, frankly wrong information go out. My good friend Representative Bradley is just wrong and I don't think he really understands the bill. He talks about the debt going back up, right now we have $5.7 billion in general obligation debt 5.7. Next year goes to $5.2 billion and the debt even cash flow in this bond never goes higher than 5.2 billion dollars, in fact this is a six year capital plan, and at the end of six years we are less than, we were more than $1.1 billion less in debt than where we are today, that is the fact, that is our. Also talked about water and resources, and got to this point and there is water resources are actually going to be put into a loan fund that goes out, helps the counties, comes back, and it's a revolving loan that does that, in fact I'm so much in favor of this bond because it is a wise business decision. I'm a small business man, I don't know of one business that does not use money as a tool, and capitalize on future cost today, when we can prove and in an objective finance way, that this is cheaper and makes more sense. Ladies and gentlemen I urge you to vote yes on the Bond. Further discussion, further debate? For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham, Representative Paul rise?  Speak on the Bill. Gentleman has the forward to debate the Bill. Thank you Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of the House, I know it's is not that late after all, but the question before us is probably not whether, or not we should do all the great things this Bond says we can do. The question really is, do we do them in this fashion? Do we finance this improvements that we so badly need in this fashion? And when I say in this fashion, of course you have to look at, what have we

recently done with our tax policy? What have we recently done regarding the tax burden on our middle class? And yes there's no question that we need to have these improvements on our state. We're behind and billions of dollars on transportation which is not in this bond and I understand that. But money is tangible we spend it in different areas and therefore we have capacity in other areas. So yes, we need to do a lot of the things in this bond. But again the question is, how and who's paying for it? This this is not divorce from our Tax Policy that has really increased the burden on many of our middle class and working class families and so the bond has merit, the projects that need to be done, need to be done. But the question is, how are we paying for it and why are we borrowing what we're borrowing at the same time, that we're giving away revenue based on our tax policy now? And I understand people are making the point, the money, quote unquote is cheap now, but again that's not the question, the question is, who's paying their tab? is everyone paying their fair share and have we restructured our taxes to such that those working families in North Carolina are paying a disproportionate share of what should be paid for the needs of this state? And yes years from now we may be less in debt and I heard someone talking earlier about how the debt has been paid down because of tax policies etc. And we have $445 million surplus but they didn't say who got the tax cut before, so therefore, who paid the surplus 445 million? And as we talk about this buying plan which we need, don't get me wrong, but we can't be divorced as we go through here and shop for what we need and not figure who's paying the tab at the end of the day. And I think we really have to be honest with ourselves and with North Carolina to say a disproportionate share of this burden is falling on our work in class families, and workers of North Carolina. And so yes, is going to be a great day when our dad is down but let's not act like this tax policy is fare to North Carolinian's. So we have to do better. I know some people thought the bond was going to be bigger, that would have mean't more borrowing and more of a tax debt based on how we are on our working class so when we think about tax cuts I hope we'll think about this day when we think about who paid the $445 million surplus, I hope we'll think about this day and as we go forward we'll always keep in mind and all North Carolinian's deserve that opportunity to thrive and that burden should be equitably distributed. Thank you.  Mr. Speaker. For what purpose purpose does the gentleman form Wake Representative Stam rise? Will Representative Paul yield for a question?  Does the gentleman form Durham yield for the gentleman from Wake? That said. For what purpose does the gentleman from Craven, representative Specialy rise? To speak on the bill. The gentleman has the floor to debate the bill.   Actually just to see if Representative Arp would yield to a question. Does the gentleman from Union yield answer the gentleman from Craven. Certainly. He yields. The money going to the community colleges, is there a local match for that? It is a local match that's in the bill. It's a teared match for certain things. For new construction, there is a match for existing and renovations [xx] for TIA 1 counties it's a low match, I think it's a third to one for TIA 2 counties half to one as a grater than as a one to one match. May I ask to speak on the bill? The gentleman from Craven has the forward to debate the bill.  I'm going to be brief, these things started off with half to this was supposed to be transportation bond, and that no longer exist. Now it's just Christmas for the UNC and for the community colleges are going to be getting money for buildings that they don't need, some of which they didn't ask for. A lot of which they didn't ask for $2 billion, billion with a B. Some of it is going to require a match which means the counties are going to have to come up with the money If they want to get it which might mean raising taxes in some of the counties. This makes no sense whatsoever and I've heard it said on this floor. Well all we're doing is just deciding to let the voters make the decision, the voters are going to make the decision based on what? Based on what information what's the

voters really going to know when they walk into the booth there? Is it going to tell them what this money is being spent on? Are they going to Get a detailed list are they going to see what's in this Bill so they've time and make their decision a lot of what's in this Bill is ridiculous, we're putting all these Bills we're putting all this money into the UNC system to put new building for what? They can't fit the seats that they got now a lot of people are going online a lot of this seats remain empty all day long and yet we're going to put up new buildings, we're going to pull our money into this thing, we're going to put ourselves, put the state into debt we've made such great progress with the policies and programs that we've put into place up to this point to get the State out of hack to get a reserve and now we're going to put the State back into debt for something that we don't need, it's not going to fix our roads I would support this in a hot Bill if it's going to our roads, but it's not, none of it is going to the roads so the good roads state cease to be the good roads state and these two and I appreciate all the representatives vote putting to this thing, but the $2 billion dollars here, none of his is going where we really need this to go. which is into roads. I'm going to ask you to vote against it. For what purpose does the gentleman Wake, Representative Stam rise? Speak on the bill. Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill.  And I'm going to vote for it. I just want to address this last argument of Representative will be paid, the general fund will pay for it because the general obligation bonds that somehow it's a burden on the so called working class or whatever sit down please. $4.1 billion would you write it down Representative Paul. That is the cumulative amount of less sales tax collected over the last four years than if we had continued on a glide path in your direction, 4.1 billion last in the regressive sales tax. For what purpose does the gentleman from Mecklenburg, Representative Brawley rise? To debate the bill. Gentleman has the floor to debate the bill.  Thank you Mr. Speaker. I was looking though the chart that Representative Brody gave us and the utilization at UNC Charlotte at one point was above 100% of the University standard, I saw that there was a lack of classes at eight o'clock. I've also noticed that there's a lack of committee meetings at eight o'clock, and I know that it's difficult for guys like us to get up at eight but you know I have discovered as I get older I actually get up earlier, and when that was in my 20's eight o'clock to me was like 5AM as now, so you are okay we can't get kids in eight o'clock and maybe we could send them to class for 40 four hours a week because none of them need a part time job and they don't need to study during the day. They can do all that at night, but you'll see Charlotte is experiencing 46% of the growth in the entire UNC system 465 are asking for one client's building of labs because they say they need everyone of them and I tend to believe it. I've got an undergraduate there and I know how hard it is for her to get classes. We can probably find lots of ways to complain about our universities, but UNC Charlotte has over 50% of it's enrollment in Science and Technology and Engineering, Maths major, Physics Majors, they had a Department of Capital Electronics that's span off a company they've got a test centre that was completely funded by the electric utility industry because the need for that engineering, research and development in the Mecklenburg area was so great the building that's coming in as  additional labs but also we'll support the data and informatics programme, the big data which is going to create things I can't even imagine after an entire career. Yes we're borrowing money and I must confess that I have been known to borrow money myself, in fact at the 1st of every month I make a house payment, a lot of people on this floor make a house payment, what are we buying here? houses of knowledge, factories of knowledge longterm investment, of course you finance them over 20 or 30 years, and we're hopeful that they'll produce knowledge that will benefit this state for hundreds of years,

create jobs that do not exist, create whole industries, whole technology. Imagine how much we've go these small computers, and the phones in our pockets none of that existed 30 years ago. I'm  going to support this bill, I think it's a conservative, smart, businesslike way to run this state, we're investing in the future and I'm voting yes, I'd ask you to do the same. What purpose does the gentleman from Union representative Brody rise? Thank you Mr. Speaker, just second time briefly. Gentleman wants to debate the bill a second time. When I earned my degree I got Bachelor's degree and it's certainly wasn't made very little traditional, it was all in evenings, and I mean I wasn't living here, I was in Wisconsin and I was doing Citing in Wisconsin, and of course Wisconsin has got some pretty wacky whether, most of it is Winter there anyways, but there are times when I had to work outside and it was maybe 15 degrees whether 50 or 20 miles away and up to side and at the end of the day I packed up all my tools in my truck and I drove the other side of Milwaukee County to Concordia University, and I went to school for four hours and I sat there, and I stocked through for years and a half and then in finishing my degree, so I ask what are we offering the studies of UNC system? Are we offering convenience? Do we have to build another building so we can make sure the classes are only offered at nine, 10, 11 and 12 one two in the afternoon, because there be ones to get up but only wants to stay a little later, this is availability folks this is what we mean by availability if want your education you will show up at the times that are available and that may mean eight o'clock at night, it may mean I don't have a seven o'clock class but it may mean something early, you just plan how to do it, and what we're doing over here because the capacity is still low and mind you Representative Rawley says UNC was at 100%, the target rate is not at 100%. Target rate is about 75%, the actual 100% is way up there and they never even touched it. Are we going to build more buildings or just playing convenience because our students and our professors don't want to get out of bed early while they don't want to stay late. I ask you as a business decision and all you folks in here that are business people, if you have available capacity why are you investing more in capacity, why are you investing more in that strictly as a business person? Thank you Mr. Speaker will b a little bit longer than just a minute = For the discussion, for the debate, if not, the question before the house is the adoption of the motion to concur with Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 943 those in favor will vote i, those opposed will vote no. The clerk will open the vote the clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. 86 having voted in the affirmative and 23 in the negative the motion to concur is adopted on the second reading for House Bill 943 and the bill remains on the calendar for third reading. House will be released momentarily Members, for your planning purposes, the session will be at 11.00 am. There will be no votes at that time but the purpose of that will be to read in committee reports and take care of administrative matters, referrals and so forth. We will not  have a voting session until 1 pm. Notices and announcements. Corporate recess the gentleman from New Hanover, Representative Catlin rise? To congratulate my seatmate for

celebrating his 39th birthday For what purpose does the gentleman from Wayne, Representative Bell rise? For an announcement. The gentleman has the floor for an announcement. All Republicans will congress in room 544 at 10:00 AM in the morning. For what purpose does the gentleman from Wake Representative Dollar rise? For an announcement. The gentleman has the floor for an announcement. For appropriations tomorrow morning in 643 at 8:30. For what purposes gentlemen from Lake Representative Stam rise. Announcement. The gentleman has the floor for an announcement. [xx] senate bill 279, if you didn't get your email, we'll immediately in the speaker's conference room. For what purpose does the gentleman from Durham representative Hall rise? For an announcement. The gentleman has the floor for an announcement. Thank you Mr. Speaker. Democrats will call coccus in the coccus room at 10:00 AM tomorrow. Further notices or announcement if not the gentleman from Harnett Representative Lewis is recognized for his motion. Mr. Speaker among the subject to receive message from the senate committee reports caucus reports, the rereferral of bill and resolutions the appointment of conferees The house do now adjourn to reconvene Tuesday, September 29th at 11 o'clock AM. Representative Louis moves seconded by Representative Hastings that the house do We're now adjourned subject to ratification of bills, messages from the Senate, Committee reports, Conference reports, Referral bills and resolutions and Appointment [xx]. To reconvene Tuesday September 29th at 11 AM, those in favor will say aye. Aye. Those oppose will say no. The ayes have it, we stand adjourned.