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Senate | September 24, 2015 | Chamber | Senate Session

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Senate will come to order, Sergeant at Arms close the doors, members to gather at there seats. Members and guests in the gallery please silence all your electronic devices. Leading the Senate in prayer is the Rev. Peter Milner, Senate Chaplin, all members and guests in the gallery please stand. Let's pray, Heavenly father we pray thy blessings upon this servants of the people of North Carolina, it is a meet here on this day which was made by thy hand that they would rest in your work, it's with great grace that you have authored all these things oh Lord and so we heed your wisdom and your sustenance, the living of these days and it is in Jesus name we pray, Amen. Senator Pitt is recognized for a motion Thank you Mr. President, journal of Wednesday, September 23rd 2015 is being examined and has been found to be correct, I move that the Senate dispense with the reading of the journal and that it stand approved as written. Without objection of journals for September 23rd stands approved as written. Senators we have leaves of absence granted today for senators Burger, Hughes, Lowe, Robin Robinson and Newton. Ratification of bills Clerk will read. Enroll bills and ruling clerks in pushing the [xx] billy dully ratified for presentation to the governor. House bill 117, an act to enact North Carolina competes act house bill 679 an act to authorize the acquisition construction and finance of certain capital improvements projects of the institutions of the university of North Carolina. Senator Apodaca for what purpose do you rise? Motions Mr. senator Apodaca you have the floor for your motion. Mr. President and members house bill 536 number one on the calendar move we remove it place it at the end of the day calendar. Objection so order. Thank you Mr. President, additionally we have House Bill 539 charter school funding of today's calendar remove it form the position is in and place it at the end of today's calendar please? Objections are in order. Thank you Mr. President. Moving into our calendar then senators starting with Local Bills second reading House Bill 488 clerk will read. House Bill 488, central Carolina CC [xx] of trustee Do we have any discussion or debate? Senator Rabin for what purpose do you rise? Speak on the bill Senator Rabin you have the floor. This is basically a local bill change in our district to community college there in all parties took a bill are satisfied and we like that to pass ask for your concurrence, thank you. Do we have any further discussion or debate? Hearing none the question for the senate is passage of house bill 488 on its second reading all on favor will say aye, Aye! Oppose no the ayes have it house bill 488 passes it second reading without objection be read a third time North Carolina general assembly enact Do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing none question for the senate is the passage of house bill 488 on its third reading all in favor say aye oppose no, the ayes have it House Bill 488 passes its third reading it will be enrolled. Senator Apadoca for what purpose do you rise? Pass an additional motion relative calendar senator Thank you Mr. President, house bill 495 OHSR modernization, I believe that is the conference report need to remove it day's calendar and place on Monday nights Without objection so order. moving on to public bill third reading roll call House Bill 943 clerk will read house bill 943, connect NC more dine 2015. Do we have any discussion or debate? Senator Robin Harnet your microphone is on you turn that off, your microphone is on thank you Senator, do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing none question for the senate is passage of the senate committee substitute bill to house bill 943 on it's third reading, all in favor will vote aye, opposing will vote no, five seconds will be allowed for the voting, Clerk will record the vote. Lee aye. Wells aye. McKissick 41 having voted in the affirmative and two in the negative senate committee substitute to House Bill 943 passes its third reading will

be sent to the house for concurrence in the senate committee substitute. Moving on to Public Bill second reading, Senators Joint resolution 721, Clerk will read. Senate Bill, Joint Resolution 721 adjournment Resolution. Senator Apodaca is recognized to explain the resolution. Thank you Mr. President, members. As I said yesterday roles committee is our favorite bill of the year, this sets adjournment on the 29th of this September brings us back on 25th with anticipation of getting it done quicker next time and getting out of here for the summer resolution adjournment, does add section two considered in the short session as same as the 2013 adjournment resolution, and additionally court advised passed it any confirmations that may be necessary could be done at that time also, I recommend it to you. Do we have any discussion with debate. Hearing none the question for the senate is the passage of senate joint resolution 721 on its second reading on favorable aye, opposed will vote no. Five seconds to be allowed for the voting for to record vote. Van Duyn, McKissick. 43 having voted in the affirmative and 0 in negative, Senate Joint Resolution 721 passes the second reading without objection to be read a third hearing discussion or debate. Hearing none Questions for the senators surpasses a senatorial joint resolutions 721 on its third reading on favorable say I, opposing no. The I have it Senator Jones 3721 passes its third reading and it will be sent to the house. House bill 8 clerk will read. House bill 8 court of appeal election ratification Barret[sp?] is recognized to explain the Bill. Thank you Mr. President. What this will do and for the Court of Appeals, and Court of Appeals only, we'll put a party identification assign each candidate whether Democrat, Republican or unaffiliated, if we still keep to open primary the way is now as many people can run for this seat as possible. Therefore just give some identification to who the candidates are, I know we now back in the polls on election day a lot of people that will if they do try to go into the [xx] which I call with other people pass out the material the they won't [xx] from both respective parties so they would have more information about the judges. So I think this will help the voters out there and let them make their informed decisions and vote for they want to. I urge your support. Any discussion or debate? Senator Stanley for what purpose do you rise? To debate the Senator Stan you have the floor. Thank you Mr. President, members of the Senate. Having an independent judiciary is absolutely fundamental to our democracy, and what this Bill does is move us towards injecting partisanship into our judiciary. I think that is unwise and should be opposed, therefore I will be voting against this Bill. Do you have any further discussion, or debate? haring none question before the Senate is the passage of Senate committee substitute to House Bill eight on it's second reading, all in favor vote aye, opposed will vote no. Five seconds to be allowed for the voting, clerk will record the vote Mr. President. Senator Newton is in the chamber. Thank you Senator, Newton aye. 33 having voted in the affirmative and 11 in the negative, Senate committee substitute to House Bill 8 passes it's second reading. Excuse me Mr. President. Senator Ford for what purpose do you rise? I definitely need to change my vote. Senator Ford changes his vote from aye to no. Final count, 32 having voted in the affirmative and 12 in the negative, Senate committee substitute to House Bill 8 passes the second reading without objection, will be read a third time. North Carolina General Assembly enacts. Any discussion or debate? Hearing none the question before the Senate is the passage of the Senate committee substitute to House Bill 8 on it's third reading, all in favor will say aye? Opposed no? The ayes have it. The Senate committee substitute to House Bill 8 passes it's third reading, it will be sent to the House for concurrence in the Senate committee substitute. House Bill 272, clerk will read. House Bill 272 this bill 2015. Senator Apodaca is recognized to explain the bill. Thank you Mr. President. Members this is annual appointments bill I believe there should be one amendment. Let's displace this amendment if we could please. We'll move on. House Bill 279, clerk will read. I'm sorry, House Bill 297 clerk will read.

House Bill 297 marketing sales on going children by part. Senator Barefoot is recognized to speak to the bill Thank you Mr. President, members of the senate in the middle of July of this year national news organisations, begin to report that undercover videos had surfaced, reporting to show the nation's largest abortion engage in the selling and trafficking of unborn children's body parts, the videos are utterly gruesome, careless and there contents represent a very dark and depraved part of our culture, a part of our culture that many Americans did not know existed. I certainly didn't. Unfortunately these facts do not go away and we shouldn't turn a blind eye. Because videos that were built in a market place with the sale of the remains of unborn children is growing in this country. While federal law prohibits the sale or purchase or aborted fetal tissue, it's become apparent that this policy can be circumvented. The Bill prohibits the marketing and sell of unborn children by the parts of North Carolina. It seeks to provide some dignity to unborn children who loose their lives due to an abortion. I ask for your support. Do we have any discussion or debate on the Bill. Senator Van Duyn propose yours. Do rise on the bill. Senator Van Duyn you have the floor to speak to the bill. and this Bill has multiple implications all of which are deeply troubling to me let me just go off script to say that I fundamentally understand that teen pregnancy trenches the trajectory of young woman's life, My mother was 17 when I was born and that's all I'm going to say I'm [xx] to say she did not have the opportunities I had to get an education and to better her life and the lives of her children, the last provision of this bill does is it defines some of that best work it is done in this state to prevent teen pregnancy further more we know that in those progressive state it has not limited access to abortion we have seen the most significant decreases in a abortion rates because of the work they are doing in educating our young women about making wise decisions I appreciate the more position that you have I just think this is counter to that position. This will increase abortion rates not decrease abortion rates it will impede scientific research that we need and it mischaracterizes profoundly the work of an organization that has devoted decades to women's health. So I urge you to reconsider and vote against this bill. Having further discussion of debate? Senator Tucker for what purpose do you rise? Mr. President, to ask Senator Barefoot a question. Senator Barefoot do you yield for a question? I do senator Barefoot we went through the HHS budget and we have placed as a priority a great bill of state money behind the provision of teen pregnancy in the state. If an agency does not perform abortions will their money be cut off as well as Senator Van Duyn seems to have implied to me and to the rest of us, is that the case? could you explain that point please. Yes, absolutely not, not monies that are going to teen pregnancy prevention will stop in North Caroliner it will only prohibit the permanent health in him in services for entering into a contract with the Abortion clinic that also provides those sevices if you want to provide adolescent and teen pregnancy services in North Carolina Then don't provide abortions Do you've any further discussion or debate hearing none the question

before the Senate is the passage of senate committee substitute house bill 297 on it's second reading all in favor will vote aye, oppose will vote no five seconds be allowed for the voting the clerk will record the vote. 41 having voted in the affirmative and three in the negative, senate committee substitute for house bill passes it's second reading without objection be read a third time. North Carolina general assembly enacts. Do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing none the question before the Senate is the passage of Senate committee substitute house bill 297 on its third reading all in favor say aye, Aye! Opposed no, the ayes have it Senate committee substitute house bill 297 passes its third reading it'll be sent to the house for concurrence in the Senate committee, Mr. President? Senator for what purpose do you rise? To see if we can send that by a special messenger to the house I think everything is from here is that right Senator? Yes sir. Mr President. Senator Apadoca  I think we are ready to go on 272.272. H HB 272. HB 272 it's been read in by the clerk already Senator Apodaca you have the floor when you are ready. Thank you Mr President this is the annual appointed bill from the speaker and the President part time, I recommend it to you I believe senator Richard as amendment. Senator... Mr. President send forward an amendment. You can send forth an amendment if we can have a page deliver the amendment up here please. thank you. As the amendment is back.. Let's read it in first here the Clerk will read. Senator Rucho moves to amend the bill. Senator Rucho is recognized to explain the amendment. Thank you Mr. President as the amendment is up before you and everyone can see on the dashboard, it's strictly technical an error as far as the people on page 10 line 11 we wanted to delete James T and substitute James K to be totally accurate as to the nomination. I already support the amendment. Do you have any discussion, or debate on the amendment? hearing none, question for the Senate is adoption of amendment one, all in favor will vote aye, oppose will vote no, five seconds to be allowed for the voting, and clerk will record the vote. Ford, aye. Clark aye. 44 having voted in the affirmative and zero in the negative, amendment one is adopted the Bill as amended back for the body, do we have any further discussion, or debate? Hearing none the question before the Senate is the passage of the Senate committee substitute house bill 272 as amended on it's second reading, Senator Barringer has an excuse absence, all in favor will vote aye, oppose will vote no, five seconds to be allowed for voting, clerk will record the vote. Apodaca aye, Waddell, Senator Waddell aye. 43 having voted in the affirmative and zero in the negative, Senate Committee Substitute to House Bill 272 as amended passes it's second reading without objection, will be read a third time North Carolina General Assembly next. Do we have any discussion, or debate? Hearing none the question for the Senate is the passage of the Senate Committee substitute to House Bill 272 as amended on it's third reading all in favor will say aye. Aye Opposed no the ayes have it, Senate committee substitute house bill 272 as amended passes its third reading and then will be inversed to sent to the house for concurrence in the Senate committee substitute. Mr President. Senator Apodaca what purpose do you arise? Next on the agenda is house bill 318 protect North Carolina workers we need to move that please to the end of the calendar. Without objections to order? House Bill 436. Clerk will read. House Bill 436, unauthorized packets of laws changes. Senator Hacho is recognized to explain the bill. Thank you Mr. President members of the senate, simply put this is an effort to resolve for you litigation between the state bar of North Carolina and legal zone, there maybe some others, it resolves it and there are actually is a second lawsuit that was recently to filed, it also resolves that. The law is not changed with regard to what the meaning of the practise of law is. It does define what it is not. It creates three exceptions whether it is not. One is a website under certain very specified conditions. Second has to do with completion of real estate forms in terms approved by the Real Estate Commission Authority as the completion of certain motor vehicle forms under terms of licensees who are authorized by the license motor vehicle dealers.

I'm not going to say that everybody agrees on particularly the first part, but it is the best effort that folks have tried to do with regard to the intersection of technology and the practice of law and I would commend it to you, would be glad to try answer any questions. Do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing none the question before the senate is the passage of the senate committee substitute to house bill 436 on it's second reading all in favor vote aye, opposed vote no, five seconds be allowed for the voting. The clerk will record the vote. 40 having voted in the affirmative and 3 in the negative senate committee substitute to house bill 436 passes it's second reading without objection be read a third time, North Carolina general assembly next. Do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing none the question before the senate is the passage of senate committee substitute to house bill 436 on it's third reading all in favor say aye, aye opposed no. The ayes have it senate committee substitute house bill 436 passes it's third reading and it will be sent to the house for concurrence in the senate committee substitute. House Bill 924, clerk will read. House Bill 924, highway safety, other changes Senator Sanders is recognized to explain the bill. Thank you Mr President, members of the Senate, the first four sections of this bill is an agency request specifically from the state bureau of investigation in the North Carolina highway patrol. Section three says that any officer can get, section one let me go back to section one. Section one says that, this has to do with how a patrolmen[sp?] are requesting blood samples after a death by motor vehicle charge this will just clarify that, that can be done when it's relevant which will be as immediately or soon after the accident as they could do it. The problem with the way that the general statue is written now says that no matter when the charge is rendered even if it's a day or a week or even a month after the accident when the victim finally succumbs to their injuries, but the highway patrol are still required to go back and to take that blood sample. It is totally irrelevant and court cannot be used in so this clarifies that and puts that blood sample in a relevant time frame. Section two of this Bill, couple of years ago we passed a law of that the lights and the re add emergency lights being used in private vehicles at that time we passed that law they say they could only they could not be used as long as they were forward facing which means that the blue light was being used by a private person to pull somebody over and now because of some other problems they have a reason and our patrols have requested that those blue lights and red lights are non-emergence vehicles are going to be prohibited regardless of whether they're followed facing or re-facing. Section three it has to be with the current requirement by state of North Carolina to use the tracking data the tracking base data that tracks sude federal sales in north Carolina that is a duplicative tracking system now because most officers and like all officers use. Mr. President. Excuse me Mr. President. Senator Bryant for what purpose do you rise? Point of order is something wrong with the dashboard and we can not get any, whatever it is. Do we have this Senator Bryant we're working on it. Thank you. Senator Sanderson, you can continue. Senator Brian will work on getting it up. Sorry about that. Okay, again section three gets rid of of a duplication of the database that is no longer used in North Carolina. It says now that any obstruct can get access to the Implex System which is the national Precursor log exchange that attracts the sale of these in our pharmacies this is used in North Carolina, and many other states the system that we will now be using

in employees is stock sale feature to prevent purchases of legal limit, and still tracks all sales by pharmacy. Section four makes a clarifying change necessary to ensure that the SBI maintains its subpoena authority, this SBI issue these particular subpoenas in child pornography investigations to get access to subscriber information and I will ask your support on this part of the bill. Mr. President we've permission, I think Senator Hise is going to address the second, the last two sections of this bill. Senator Hise is recognized. Senators we apologize for the dashboard for some reason it's not coming up so we're working on on here Senator Hise you're recognized. Mr. President probably if it's of the appropriate times in send forth amendment. Senator Hise I think it's appropriate to do that just go ahead, the clerk will read. She's going to make sure the system is working here with the amendment as well, senator, give us one second. Clerk will read. Senator Hise moves to amend the Bill. Senator Heise is recognized to explain the amendment. Thank you Mr. President, members of the senator. This was presented by staff this morning. This is media technical they called they say to remove unnecessary word those are in the bill. Do we have any discussion or debate on the amendment? Hearing none the question for the senate is the adoption of amendment one, all in favor vote aye aye, opposed vote no five seconds be allowed for the voting clerk will record the vote. 43 having voted in the affirmative and zero in the negative, amendment one is adopted. The Bill as amended is back before the Body, Senator Hise is recognized. And I think the Bill bill is on the dashboard is that correct? We have it up? No, still not up on the dashboard. Senator how should it be recognized? It was on the last two sections of this bill, first section of the bill deals with something we're experiencing in some of our mining industries particularly in West, and North Carolina. There are property that the state leases out for minerals to be mined from the property, and you have heard some large mines in the area going out, and buying these leases for the sole purposes of shutting down their competitors, and drying out their sources. What this does is that it requires the list of those mines to be put out in a upset bid process which means anyone who bids 75% of the final amount from then increased the bill by 5% that was for coming in so that officer's choice and more importantly requires any mine leased, must remain in operation, and must be utilized. So if you couldn't shut down, that also protects the value of the state mine as an abandoned property looses by you in the mining industry. The next section you have deals with the amount of cost that a local government or the department can use in road construction that is currently set at 200, 000 has not been changed in a very long time and this amount to 500, 000 to allow them to do their own projects in-house and hopefully save both the state and local government some funds by doing so, I appreciate your support. Senator Sanderson for what purpose do you rise? Mr. President an inquiry at the Rules Chairman, I see him around the corner Senator Apodaca. Yes sir. Senator Apodaca would be OK to put this at the end so the people will have an opportunity to see it on the dashboard, I don't know if it's come up yet or not sure that would be fine with me, do we have it up yet? Hold on one second, we're almost there. We're right about there so give us one second. Let's take about a third it is up, there we go. It is up now. OK, it is up. Does anyone need more time? We can move it or, Senator Bryant are you OK? Senator Bryant OK, Senator Bryant do you want to ask a question. Yes. Senator Sanderson or Senator Hise? Senator Sanderson yields. Senator Sanderson I think. I yield I had two questions and I was trying to move between the two pieces of technology that look at this other statute and I was kind of thrown off but I don't know okay, sorry about that it was about the [xx] I think I have the pronouncing it correctly the repeal of the report, Could you tell us a little bit I think is related to the production of we are repealing the need for a report by I think suppliers of which I presume is a way we

track is there is some untold amount of this drug going in certain directions is there a reason we're eliminating that report and we've a wait of track that problem from another manner? Senator there is this is just a set of data that is collected by the state of North Carolina from my conversation with most law enforcement agencies do not use this any more they all go to a much better system, that's a nation wide system. The nation wide system has a lot more safeguards is able to give them access to that data even on a more regular interval than what they're getting now. Thank thank you, I have one other question Mr. President. Senators [xx] do you yield for follow up? I yield. Okay there's another provision of the bill that raises the level for something called force account labor bears involving Force Account Labor, and I just didn't know what Force Account Labor was and, thought it might be important to know. Senator Brian is that in section five or six? One second Senator Brian, I'd like to deffer that to Senator Tillman if I may, I think he's more familiar with that section of the Bill. Senator Tillman is recognized. Mr. President, thank you. Speak briefly on the bill. I think is section 6 is it Senator Tillman. Whatever 506 force county labor allows the municipality to do a part there own work to do a private project that will be in the balances of municipality which means that this cap has not been raised in many years, it's going from 150, 000 to 500, 000 or 200, 000 labor and 500, 000 total and that's all it does to allow municipality to save time and money to do that kind of work up for them in sales. One more follow-up Mr. President. Senator Tillman do you yield for follow up? I do. I saw the university meeting in here, will that apply to universities as well as municipalities? It would if they are is in their own dollars especially yes. Okay thank you. There's absolute on what they can do. Thank you. for any further discussion or debate Mr. President Senator Tucker what purpose are you on Question Senator Sanderdson Senator Sanderson do you? I do I heard this yesterday in rules, and I failed to ask you this question, with the lights, the blue and the red lights does this means that the red light set a use in perform drugs by bounty of farmernt[sp?] throughout the state would be eliminated? No sir, those those vehicles are damned as emergency vehicles, so they would not be affected. Thank you sir. Any further discussion on debate? during non, as oppose to senate essay passage of the sign committee substitute the house bill 924 on the second reading on favor with aye oppose the vote no. Five seconds to be allowed for the voting and the clerk to record the vote aye. 43 having voted in the affirmative and 0 in the negative, Senate Committee Substitute to House Bill 924 passes passes it's second reading without objection, will be read a third time. North Carolina General assembly next. Any discussion or Debate? Hearing none, the question for the Senate is the passage of the Senate Committee substitute to House Bill 924 on on it's third reading, all in favor will say aye. Aye. Oppose no. The ayes have it, Senate Committee Substitute to House Bill 924 passes it's third reading the amendment will be engrossed to be sent to the house for concurrence in the senate committee substitute. moving on to concurrence bill senate bill 195 clerk will read. Senate bill 195 motor vehicle service agreement amendment. Senator Meredith is recognized, thank you Mr president members of senate I would just ask if you concur. Senator Meredith ask that you concur do we have any discussion or debate? Senator Ford for what purpose do you rise? Mr president see is I can get the good Senator from Fayetteville to tell us exactly what are we concurring to? Senator Meredith do you yield for the question please. Thank you senator Ford. This bill allows for service contracts to be offered a code dataships in my data replacement for a key verb, for windows, excuse me wheels, tyres, scratched and dense[sp?] things are not currently offered at dealership this in is allowing dealership to offer this as [xx] it could be a part of seperate warranty. Thank you Any further discussion of the debate? Senator Tucker what purpose you rise? question, Senator Meredith do you yield? Yes sir. Thank you Mr. President. Senator Meredith, just as a

hypothetical example, if Senator Ford was to buy a new car this means he can have 24 big rims put on his car if he wanted to they will be able to be purchased at the I don't know if the Bill reproaches the dealership, but he could probably get a warranty on them. OK, thank you. Yes sir. Any further discussion or debate Senator Alexander, what purpose do you rise? Mr. President I need to accuse myself, I'll be sending up the form. Thank you. Senator. Senator Brown is himself as well. So your further discussion debate. Hearing none, question for senders? A motion to conquer? [xx] substitute Senate Bill 195, all in favor will vote Aye, those who vote five seconds to bill, out of the voting. Tucker, Senator Tucker, Aye 40 having voted in the affirmative, and one in the negative the Senate concurs in house bill substitute Senate bill 195.  it'll be enrolled, and sent to the governor. One conference report for adoption Senate bill 238, clerk will read. Senate bill 238 [xx] criminal offence. Senator Stein is recognized.   Thank you Mr. President members of the senate I ask that you vote the To concur the bill essentially is what it's when we passed it the first which is that it bans People from stalking other folks using these GPS trackers either by physically placing it on their car, or person or by using technology that it's now commercially available it allows you to track some of these cell phones which access the GPS tracker the house made a number of improvements and we just tweaked it in conference I'll be happy to answer any questions about the details again I ask for your support. Senator Stan answer you have yes on the conference report. Senator Daniel for what purpose your. Ask Senator Stan a question. Senator Stan do you yield. I yield Senator Stan can you describe the details about how Private investigators are allowed to place tracking devices on a vehicle. Yes if you look at section I'm trying to get my screen to scroll, subsection F Okay look sub section K on lines 18 number if it's page three I'm not if it's three or two and it lays out the instances when it is permissible for private investigator to use one of these tracking devices, they can only use it if they're licensed they can only use it pursue it to the authority which they are granted by statute they can only use it if it's not otherwise contrary to law that this body or federal congress passes or a third or it cannot be used in any instance to track somebody who is under the protection of a domestic violence protective order. Any further discussion or debate? Hearing none question for the senate is the motion to adopt the conference report for senate bill 238 all in favor will vote aye oppose will vote not, five second be allowed for the voting, Clerk will record the vote. 43 having voted in the affirmative and zero in the negative the senate does adopt the conference report senate bill 238 and the house will be notified we do have more conference report on here for adoption house bill 373, clerk will read House bill 373 2016 president for primary Senator Apadoca is recognized Mr. President we need to displace that amendment please That will be displaced as well and senator that does bring us to the end of the calendar everything else has been displaced for the end Yes it does we can take the recess should for 15 minutes and go from there we did Mr. President Senate will stand and recess until 11 O'clock, Senator Brown for what purpose do you rise? Republicans will coccus during recess Very good, [xx] recess till 11 O'clock. Senator blue for what purpose do you rise? Than you senator, Senator come to order, Sergeant at

arm close the doors, Senator McKissick has a leave for the rest of this session, courtesies of the gallery from the motion of Senator Hise and Senator Daniel, the chair is happy to extend courtesies of the gallery to Thomas Jefferson Classical academy from Mooresboro North Carolina. Are you here? Stand up please. Thank you for your attendance. Senator Tucker you're ready for a motion?   Yes Sir Mr. President House Bill at 39 Stroller school funding if you would so allow it to be moved to Monday night floor calendar. Without objection so ordered Okay first on the list will be conference for report for adoption Health Bill 373 House Bill 373, 2016 President for primary. Senator Rucho is recognized. Thank you Mr. President, members of the Senate this is a conference report on House Bill 373. We did pass the first portion of it, Presidential primary moving it to March 15th, 2016 with an effort to try make the votes in North Carolina more relevant in the selection of the Presidential nominees in both parties, I think we all agreed with that. Let me explain the two changes that are in the Bill in the conference report. First there was some discussion and criticism over the fact that between seven and 10 million dollars would have been a cost to the counties and municipalities for conducting the primary in May. We took that to consideration as an effort to save that dollar cost to them by trying to consolidate the presidential primary and all the other primaries that would normally have been conducted in day to March 15, 2016. On the dashboard you should have presidential and combined primary bar schedules showing the dates of when this would be we took in to consideration the fact that the same amount of time that would have been available for filling in the the May primary will also be there in regard to the March 15th primary filing will begin on 12 of 115 and 112 2015, we purposely tried to find some extra some time in there in case of inclement weather, there was opportunities for people to file and would open up everyone the opportunity to file for election Secondly we're very careful about avoiding the holidays when the state governments and the [xx] governments and county governments would have been closed so as you can see On the dashboard you can see the bar schedule showing when each of these events would take place the last portion is the affiliated party committee and what this allows is any legislative caucus to choose to become an affiliated party committee and it is an opportunity for lets say either The democrat or the Republican house or senate co-cases to choose to have an an affiliated party committee to be able to conduct the election either collecting and dispersing revenues, it's a very good opportunity to add transparency two the process because each of those party committees will have to follow the same rules and the same laws that the party committee would have normally had. So the affiliated party committees will again be comprised of caucuses and allowed to or required to follow the rules and regulations and laws that exist presently. There I will stop here Mr chairman and respond to any questions but I will say I would ask that you adopt conference report on house bill 373. Discussion and debate. Senator Jackson from Mecklenburg county for what purpose do you rise? To speak to the conference report. The senator has the floor. By moving the primary form May to March we're giving potential primary

challengers two months less to campaign. If you want in combine that's major advantage, if you're a challenger it's a major setback. The fact is this Bill will make it less likely that any encampment will lose a primary, that's bad enough, but that's not the worst part, the worst part is by reducing the competitiveness of the the primaries we're amplifying one of the most damaging effects of partisan redistricting, over 80% of us can only lose in a primary election, but differently the primary is the election that determines over 80% of the composition of the General Assembly. Those primaries are pretty much the only way they can replace any of us and this Bill makes that less likely by taking two months away from primary challenger we're narrowing the last major avenue for Democratic governance that the General Assembly has left for the voters. through partisan redistricting we've already reduced Democracy in North Carolina to a one lane highway. This bill throws some orange barrels on to that lane the stated rationale is to make North Carolina voters more relevant in nomination the president, but one of the side effects is to make voters less relevant in electing all of us, that makes this bill disturbingly self serving. I deserve a better chance to lose and so do you. Senator Rucho for what purpose do you rise? To speak on the conference report. I find it interesting that members like our friend that just spoke complained about the cost to the counties regarding the primary election being held as a second time but all of a sudden, just to make a political speech, she decides to be critical of this. You also look at the fact that there's going to be a higher turnout in the presidential primary on March 15th, because of all of the consolidated election that will be in presence and therefore more opportunity for the people to have a chance to make decision. not otherwise. The third thing that they talk about a restrictive schedule, if I remember correctly filing ended  some time towards the end of February so you had March and April and a little bit going into May to run your campaign and in this case your filling ends on 20th or the 21st of December and you have January and February and two extra weeks in March to be able to run your campaign. So I don't see how you or any one can make a statement like and you've consolidated to the point. Well you can't run and run at the same time, actually have more time to run and you all have more time to have the people who will attend the presidential primary, a lot of people coming out, and let the people make the choice. I urge you to support and adopt this conference report.  Further discussion and debate? Senator Tillman for what purpose do you rise? President Thank you. To speak briefly on the bill.  Senator has the floor.  I don't believe there is going to be enough time for some of us, and [xx] we got more time so time is not really the problem. You've got plenty of time to run. If you can find $9.5 million so these local election boards, I'll go along with [xx] That's why it's non cost to have two elections, and that's local that's your local county, and I'm thinking you would have a disproportion cast over in your county because you're bigger and you got more votes etcetera. But hoax is foolish to try to save a day or two at best it's not two or three days one way or the other and then cost nine and a half million dollars that's the new figure that I have received by the way. I don't think it's relevant. Mr president Senator [xx] for what purpose do you rise? Speak on the conference report Senator has the floor Thank you we can't underline how important this in the presidential primary is to North Carolina to [xx] state three times in forty year North Carolina ever been remotely impact To the presidential debate, the 1976 Republican primary the 1988 Super Tuesday primary for the Democrats in 2008 when we were going through the recession and when we were going through downtown in North Carolina when you heard the Presidential candidate going to the early primary stage talking to the people there, I wish they were talking about our issues of how we were being impact with the economy or the rules that were passed or laws that

were passed in Washington and how they affected North Carolina, we all becoming relevant and not only we growing in size as a State but this will give us more political power up in Washington because we will have an input. And it's not here, It's not us that's having a big input it's the citizens of our state, that are having that input. Because in New Hampshire, a friend of mine up there, he says I stack it tall, to the next president of the United States, and they will have to listen. Before, if you had a presidential candidate, or president come through, unless you're part of the select few, you got to wave at them as their car drove by. This will make North Carolina relevant it will force the presidential candidates to come into your communities, come into your neighborhoods, and talk to the people of North Carolina. I heard your support at the conference report. Mr, President. Senator Brown, what purpose do you rise? Just to speak briefly on the conference report. Senator has the floor. Senator [xx] showing a key point yesterday in committee, that those of us that serve in military communities, I think it's a very important point, and that's still about absentee balance. If you divide, or if you have a presidential election in March, and then our primaries in may what that means basically is you got absentee balance, you got to get out early for the presidential ways and then you got to turn around and try to get another a vastly ballot out for the May primary and I just came in amazing what the confusion that may create for some of our service managers are overseas, again I think this is going to be a big bone to our state you've already seen several [xx] of our setup in North Carolina I think you'll find that when South Carolina is a primary in I think they'll all be here in North Carolina so [xx] state get an opportunity that they haven't had in many many years and I think Senator Rucho touched on the time frame as far as the difference between filing and actual voting, is actually more time than what you have today. So the candidates will have the time to get out and campaign, and just they always say. So, I'm not sure it will make that big a difference, I do know this I think it will be one of the biggest turn out, that we've ever had in the history of this state, as far as turnout goes for a primary. And I think that's the key that's what you want. You want the people in this state to vote in these primaries and I think you'll get it this time. further discussion or debate. Senator Tucker, what purpose do you rise? Mr. President, could I ask Senator Hise a question please? Senator Hise do you yield? Senator Hise, also you discussed the entire process. Not just longer military absentee votes, can you explain to me your assertion from yesterday about the confusion that will be placed upon voters, with two primaries so close together I guess and Senator Rucho has a chart, I think it's available in everyone's dashboard to see what the current process is, but basically you have a situation where under a current, when you're coming in in March, you're going to have a time period of almost six weeks before that, you've got to have absentee ballots out ready to go, you're only going  and then you're going to have an early voting location, and then you're going to have an election day in March you're already have added the star the absentee ballots for military and others. Prior to the end of that, you could have two different absentee ballots coming in to your board of elections at the same time, then you're going to start doing canvasing, and all those kind of things, then you're going to immediately start another early voting period followed by an election day in May. This is potentially for small counties with staffs of one that are in there in the board of elections office. This is a nightmare to try to balance all these together and run two primaries this close together. I think we also have concerns about what it will do to primaries, for turnout and most of those, and well, as I've said in others I have concerns about where the earlier primaries and where should North Carolina. I think the worst situation is to keep these two separate at this day they're supposed to be together and bring all these chaos into an election system. Further discussion or debate senator Blue for what purpose do you arise? To debate the conference report. Senator has the floor Thank you Mr President. Senator Jackson raised an interesting issue about [xx] protection, and I think it will be difficult to disagree with him on that because, it takes time for people to determine whether they are going to run,

and then to navigate the resources together, and the filing starts, not nine weeks from now. For anybody contemplating running in this election if the election is going to be in March, I think December for us is about nine weeks from now, but that's one concern. The other concern that I've, and I agreed to have conversations with members of the house, the leadership in the house, members of the Senate to separate there's a primary, because I think it's important let's move the Presidential primary to March. So that it wouldn't occur as it would have naturally it would have occurred under the existing legislation sometime in February. It wouldn't be do not change it the republic confirm by your rules that will be in February, and if it happens in February all of the delegates will be lost, as they did flood some other state three years ago and so people's find to do it in February until we started analyzing it. I don't want Republicans of North Carolina to lose that delegate strength wherever the convention is, what makes sense and it would be against the interest of the state. So we discussed it, and I agreed that it would worth moving it, so that you could have some impact on the 2016 Presidential election, I was involved in the 88 elections as well as the 2008 elections, and because historically we started this in 88 separate the time out for the presidential primary didn't have whole lot of effect for the democratic party I don't think that do caucus one and I suggest to you that over the next five or six months which we know in the primary things might work differently than you think, we did try it in 2008, and left the primaries where they were in North Carolina primary was a name and North Carolina ended up being the state determining who the democratic presidential nominee was going to be. Primary was the same be as it was for all the other candidates. What purpose me about what we are doing now and moving all of the other primaries is the fact that we are adding any certainty to those election process people have been planing for months weeks even years you know I might run the May 2016 primary, but all of a sudden enter into our plans because of fix primary did is important for local elected officials as well as for us as legislatives candidates so if we are going to move this thing and move all of the apparatus just to preserve one day and by the way I agreed with the separate date so that it just wouldn't be Republicans taking heat regardless of what the cost was because I figured that the separate primary justified the cost, but we have in a fixed primary is a day that people can point to. So if you want to be pure in this thing we got to move all primaries henceforth to the 15th of March or the second Tuesday or third Tuesday of whatever it is, however you jagrate that be, so that people have certainty, come next plan, we'll come back here move the again and keep moving it. The problem with moving it up is that people haven't had time, if you move it back people still aren't affected adversely we got time to plan for it, but moving it up you're taking half the time that a person would have had to file otherwise. And I think that that's unfair. There's another twist in this that you need to fully appreciate. There's two federal lawsuits pending regarding redistributed and if by chance part of the reason is to get the jump on that you're wasting a lot of time folks, I'm telling you, it doesn't matter what you do if federal judges look at it and they determine they're going to stop an election a legislative congressional election they are going to do it. We have it done to us many times, it wouldn't anything new, but you got two federal law suits you got two suit pending both unconventional and legislation redistricting you got a state lawsuit pending either those judges if they were to rule against redistricting restate the election, and put our election at some separate date any how, and so

moving hours might be doing just the opposite of what you thought think you're doing. Lastly, we had radical changes to our election laws over the last two or three years and one of the promises that you made to those who are trying to adjust is that you're going to have until the primary in 2016 to get all of those voter Ids staff out of the way, and get prepared for something new, and I know that there have been amendments and staff. I also read yesterday that there state law suit is continuing even though they've done amendments to the voter Id law, but there have been so many changes and people look at timelines dates, decide we've got until April or May, or whenever the cut off the registration is to get people ready to vote another new system that you've created, and now you've shortened it by two months. There is something basically unfair about that too when you've projected that is going to be that amount of time. So I'll vote, I was in favor of having a primary for the presidential preferences in March, and the primary for all the other races at the time they would normally be, says the presidential preferences don't happen every other year, as I [xx] do. I can't support moving this all apparatus back because of the reasons that I just articulated and particularly because of the certainty of races of breaking promises and not really having control of whether there's going to be another set of primaries anyhow when these judges get though looking at the challenges that are before them. Any further, John Brown for what purpose do you rise? Just asking Senator Rich a question Senator Rucho do you yield? Yes sir I do. Senator Rucho, senate Blue talked about the court cases you might want to update some of that. I think it will appropriate. We discussed it a little yesterday during the committee meeting and I think it's a little disingenuous to come out and say that we are actually working to take advantage of the core occasions if we look back in history in 2002, 2003 I believe then the democrat party was in charge of the registering maps and I think it was either two or three unconstitutional maps that were presented and the court was willing to say we're going to postpone the election until we get the map that's right. And so when this circumstance so legislative action that goes forth whether it will be this or any other has really a favor impacted what the courts decide and they are within their irresponsibility to postpone election if they view necessary so I don't think it was appropriate or any better as a way of downgrading wedges is being moved in that direction. Further discussion or debate? hearing none a question for the body is the adoption of the conference report for house bill 373, all in favor will vote aye oppose no, five seconds will be allowed for the voting the clerk will record the vote. Aye. 30 in the positive, 13 in the negative, conference report is adopted for house bill 373 the house will be so notified. Mr. President. Senator Sucheck what purpose you rise? While we have the honorees in the chamber, I might ask for a senatorial statement out of order. Senator has the floor. Thank you. Real briefly, I know we have a busy day, but we do have a special anniversary for one of the true gems of North Carolina, his town of West Jefferson how many of you have visited, enjoyed it, and we do have some distinguish members here, and we want to celebrate the 100th anniversary, and Mr. President you have a list of the anneries Thank You senator Soucek I'll be happy to. Senator Dan Soucek, Watauga county is happy to extend courtesy to the gallery, and when I call your name please stand to Mayor Dele Bowen, Algerman, Seven Schumacher, and town manager Bradley Price. Gentlemen, thank you very much. Mr. President, Senator has the floor. I'd like to send forth a conference report on house bill 215. Senator send forth your conference report. Clerk will read.

Conference report, house bill 2015, to the president of the senate, speaker house representative House bill 2015. The bill will be inside an act to establish procedure for waiver of the right to a jury trial in criminal cases in superior court. calendar. Next Bill will be, House Bill 318, to protect North Carolina workers Act. House bill 318 to protect North Carolina workers. Senator Sanderson has the floor to explain the bill.  Mr President members of the Senate, House Bill 318 there are several things this Bill would ban North Carolina localities from acting as Sanctuary cities for the purpose of ignoring federal laws against illegal immigration. I know that most of us are familiar with some of the incidence that have happened specifically the one that I'm most familiar with, is the one that happened in California where someone that was in the US illegally and could have been deported but instead was given safe harbor by so called Sanctuary city refusing to enforce immigration laws, here in north Carolina a number of local governments have adopted resolution similar to those of other sanctuary cities across the country. This bill will prevent counties and cities state wide from enacting local ordinances that violate or fail to enforce federal immigration laws. It would also provide local policies forbidding law enforcement from asking about the immigration status of those they arrest or detain or sharing that information wit federal authorities. It just makes common sense to me that we as a legislature would no do anything that would entice or any of those government entities that are under our oversight to [xx] law whether federal law, state law and so I think it's sad that we even having to consider this kind of legislation on this floor but here it is, this  bill also require the state of local government follow the same rules as the private sector and only hire government contractors to comply with state and federal [xx] laws as proposed by the house. The house sent us this proposal it also sets out some of the rules as to what it means for those companies to be compliance, next portion of this bill makes clear that maticular counsel documents issued by foreign embassies may not be used to determine a person's identity or residency which was also a proposal in this house bill. It would sure that North Carolina conforms the federal work requirements for able bodied childless adults to receive free stamps just kind of go over one of a few of these sections that I think are the most important ones as I said this will require North Carolina and all of those that are under the authority of our state government to be the same that we have to use the verify system they will have to use the verify system the government entities can satisfy this requirement by including in the contract a term requiring the contractor and any subcontractors to comply with the state to verify requirements. This provisions specifically exempts from its application and it goes on below some of those exemptions contracts for travel expenses, a few other contracts that will not be under this provision. Section 1B, and 1C, I'll appeal the provisions prohibiting municipalities and counties from entering contacts unless complies with the state file requirement since they are now covered under this section. Section two immunes the local government finance act with regards topenalties that are imposed on finance officers who give false certificate to a contract or agreement. Under the current law the finance officer liable for any funds

they illegally committed or disburse this section adds a provision the inclusion of a contract term requiring the contractor to comply with state if they verify requirement is deemed compliance with that requirement. Section three through nine making informal changes to various articles, various sections of article two of chapter 64. Section T and S is a new section to article two,. Chapter 64, which establishes the consequences for violation of the new governmental contract E-verification requirement, commissioner of labor is directed to notifying any government entity found in violation of the statute and the department of labor must maintain a list of government entities to notifying and publish the list on it's website section 11 as the new article 18 to chapter 15A entitled identification documents. This provision makes the use of certain documents unacceptable by any government official for purposes of determining a person's s identity or residency. The documents are a matricula consular or rather similar document other than a valid passport and an identity document created by any person organization, county, city, or other local authority except where it's expressly authorized by General Assembly. Sections 12, 13 and 14 make conforming changes to the motor vehicle laws, the insurance laws, and the medical assistant laws to remove the use of those consiliary documents from the list of documents that can be used to verify state residency. Section 15 would create new prohibitions on counties and cities, restricting any policy ordinance, or procedure, that would limit, or restrict the enforcement of Federal Immigration Laws, to last in the full extent permitted by the Federal Law. Again that goes back to our sanctuary cities. Section 16 permits states to seek waivers to the three month limit on food and nutrition benefits for able bodied adults without dependence who have not their federal work requirements, which is at this time 20 hours per week, either employed, or in some kind of education situation that they can't get employment. Section 16 will prohibit the Department of Health and Human Services from seeking a Federal time limit waiver for food and nutrition benefits for everybody, to those without dependence who have not met the federal work requirements. DHHS will not be prohibited from seeking waivers for the disaster supplemental nutrition persistence program in an area that has received the presidential disaster declaration of individuals assistance from a federal emergency management assistant. DHHS will be required to withdraw any pending waiver request prohibited by this new statute, and Mr. President, I would like to send forth a couple of amendments, the first amendment deals with the date at the end of this legislation. The clerk will read. Senator Sanderson moves to amend the bill. Senator Sanderson is recognized to explain the amendment. This amendment, let me see, moves the effective date of section 13 from November 1st to January 1st of 2016, that is in an effort to give insurance companies in those will have to notify the people who work for them that this type of identification will no longer be accepted and they did not have that opportunity with just a few days left before this Bill and I would ask for your support on that amendment.  Do we have any discussion or debate on the amendment? Mr. President. Senator Stan, for what purpose do you rise?  To see if the amendment sponsor will yield to a question. Senator Sanders do you yield?.  I yield. Thank you. I believe the explanation you gave pertaining to section 17, what does your amendment do for section 11A? Section 11A, I don't see it. Hold on just a second the amendment that I just offered about change

of the date does not affect that section that you were referring to. [BLANK Senator Sanderson for what purpose do you rise? Thank you Mr president I would like to make a correction on that it does following conjunction with section 17 it makes the necessary changes for that also. Do we have any discussion or debate on the Amendment? Hearing none the question for the Senate is adoption of Memorando all in favor vote aye oppose vote no five seconds to be allowed for the voting Clerk will record the vote. Walder[sp?] aye, Jackson aye 43 having voted in the affirmative and zero in the negative amendment one is adopted the Bill as amended is back before the body, further discussion or debate? Senator Sanderson for what purpose do you rise? Mr President to send forth one more Amendment. The clerk will read. Senator Sanderson moves to amend the Bill, Senator Sanderson is recognized to explain the Amendment. Thank you Mr president this is a technical amendment to ensure that the current snap work requirement waiver is permitted to go through December 31st 2015 the date that it's set to expire anybody that it would that be affected between now and then would be eligible to continue their benefits and I ask for your support in this Amendment.  Do we have any discussion or debate on the amendment? hearing nine the question before the senate is the adoption of amendment two all in favor will vote aye, opposed will vote no. Five seconds to be allowed for the voting clerk will record the vote. voted aye, Raven Harnett[sp?], Raven aye 43 having voted in the affirmative and 0 in the negative amendment two is adopted. The bill as amended is back before the body, Senator Ford for what purpose do you rise? To see is Senator Sanderson will yield for a question. Senator Sanderson do you yield? I do. Senator what is a sanctuary seat? it is a city senator Ford that I think that people who run that city have given inspections, directions to not ask any person that they're in law enforcement comes in contact with, under no purpose are they allowed to ask them about their immigration status and to me that's what the Sanctuary City is. follow up. Senator Senderson do you yield for follow up? I do. Senator you stated in your opening statement, that there were some cities in the state of North Carolina that had passed resolutions, what cities do we have that passed those resolutions? Senator Ford I don't have that information before me, I will be glad to get it to you, but I know that there are some of our municipalities that are moving in that direction and have passed those resolution. Having further discussion or debate on the bill, Senator Tillman, what purpose do you rise? Thank you Mr. President. Speak briefly on the bill. Gentleman you have the floor. 32 year old beautiful, talented Cate Stanley, would be probably be alive today, if San Francisco would have had any guts about them whatsoever, which they don't. And it's reported we do have seven or eight cities in North Carolina including some of the most liberal, that have policies either written or we won't report you, if you've been depotted seven times and area a five-tome convicted criminal we'll let you run the street, with a firearm, and that's what was happening in San Francisco because they have encouraged this with the luck of those liberal policies of not turning this folks in, and not even trying to find out who they are and any city with we do that needs that chatter revoked but this bill weaknesses we don't have a penalty for doing this you say it's breaking the law, I'm going to do my thing to get some penalties put in there, that will take every dime we can take if they have announced, their un-announced policies that are allowing them to be a sanctuary city and all that is is a welcome mat to come on in, if you're a criminal and you're illegally here and you've deported, or not, just come on, the door's open. So I wouldn't be ashamed to be a city that had policies like that had policies like that.

What in the world is wrong with reporting criminals? If you want to be a sanctuary city, you ought to move there. You probably live in one center. Senator Ford, for what purpose do you rise? See if my good friend, Senator Tillman will yield for a question. Senator Tillman do you yield? More than happy. Senator Tillman you referenced sanctuary cities and you made reference to liberal cities in the state of North Carolina, do you care to name those cities that you were represent. You don't know them? Senator Ford. I know better than that. You want to start with Durham chapel Hill, and some that you might not suspect like Chatham County and that influence from south of Chardon County has played[sp?] in the to Chardon County [xx] you know where those liberal bastions are. And if you have policies like that, who in the world could stand up and say that's okay, we want to be a sanctuary city. We need to punish them. If I could I'd take their chatters, and I'll be working on penalties for this bill, you can believe that. If the Lord lets me live long enough. Senator Tillman, do you yield for follow up? I will. Do I understand you just said that you're looking to revoke the charter for the city of Charlotte? I would love to revoke [xx] sanctuary city, more than happy to, if I could Any further discussion or debate on the Bill as amended? Senator O'Brien, for what purpose what purpose do you rise? To speak on the Bill Mr. President. Senator O' Brien you have the floor. I have a concern, I think about section 16 of the Bill That prohibits, permanently prohibits DHHS from applying for a waiver for the snap benefits for childless adults who are looking for work etcetera. It is of significance concern to me for my community because we have the highest Unemployment in North Carolina the numbers of childless adults looking for work far exceeds the available jobs over several sessions here we have reduced funding for job training and education, and and they're not enough job training programs. There are not enough jobs for everyone of those people, and not enough job training program slots for everyone of those people. So we're basically relegating them I guess to steal for food. And I think not allowing the department of health and human services to exercise their judgement, knowing what's happening on the ground in each of our various communities, and the difference we face in terms of economic development is cool and unusual punishment to people for and creating hunger which leads to other kind of social and cultural problems. And this really not the best public policy and surely is cool hearted, and so I'm just concerned about that, and wanted to at least speak for the people in my region for whom, who cannot comply in a humane way with this provision and so you're relegating us to a certain level of inhumanity in this policy. I'm assuming you have a concern that people somehow will abuse NUT benefits, and you just not work, because they can eat, for whatever this extended time is and I would recommend to you to refresh your concern, there are some surely some ways to limit that discern their capability or effort to either get the job or get a slot. Those determinations can be made without a wholesale provision across the state for a DHHS to apply for this waiver and for that reason Mr. President I would like to send forward an amendment. Clerk will read. Senator Brian moves to amend the bill. Senator Brian is recognized to explain the amendment. This amendment would remove that part of the bill will be my hope that we could look for a narrower way to accomplish the policy the appropriate part of the policy go without a blanket probation that would be disproportionately harmful to the citizens of rural communities that we have all fault the session significantly to help. Also veterans or also disproportional in this

group of people who are returning are from service or getting our service and looking for work in their home communities where this jobs are not there. So I would request your support for this amendment and to look for some narrower ways to accomplish the policy goal. That would be the gentleman here. I appreciate your support thank you. Do we have any discussion or debate on the amendment? Senator Sanderson for what purpose do you rise?  Mr president to speak to the amendment,  Senator Sanderson you have the floor. Mr president I appreciate Senator Bryant trying to look out for here rural counties in North Carolina also represent a couple of rural counties in Carolina and I think that everybody in this chamber would agree that one of the best thing Things we can do. For any one who have found himself caught up whether its the snap program or unemployment or any other of the programs that we offer to people who are in emergency situations. One of the best things we can do them is help them find a job and I think that we will be amazed that when this goes into effect and this is I dont know the exact number of people this can ultimately affect but I think if you are going to see a lot of either go and get that 20 hour a week job or they are going to enroll in some kind of higher education to improve their job skills and that's exactly what we are trying to get out here. I would ask the members to vote against the amendment. Senator Hise what purpose do you rise? Speak to the amendment, Senator Hise you have the floor top speak to the amendment Thank you Mr president members of the senate I think it's important, well there's been some discussion about the [xx] but to look at this program a whole and see what it's talking about. We are not denying any one snack benefits, any one is entitled to a three month period of snack benefit when they loose their job or others regardless of their status. What the previous federal regulations said is that that was the most you can be on the program unless you were working 20 hours and volunteering those count towards a lot of that requirements, unless you have a disability, unless you have children that are coming through or enrolled in education or work training program. So now we're telling you about the small group of individuals that fit none of those categories, the definition that federal government uses is this are able bodied individuals their definition in this program that we are saying could only stay on the program for three months, the fades recently allows the states to enter into waivers to expand that three months with several other conditions we've done that for years and taking that off, this is just bringing that plan back and saying that now in North Carolina food nutrition for single individuals without children who aren't working don't have a disability now have only a three month window to receive this and not a permanent pre-nutrition benefits under this program. Senator Brian, for what purpose do you rise? To speak on the amendment. Senator Brian, you have the floor. Thank you. I just want to indicate that, the problem is, because the recovery from the recession has not been even handed, and we know that. The average time to find another job, even part time can take some people up to a year. In addition to the fact that three months is a short time and this is talking about extending it in areas where the ability and availability of that job is not there, and even the slots for the training programs and even community college is limited in terms of applications of the the capabilities for getting in different programs what is actually available on the ground for some of these folks out of work, cannot be accomplished in this three my period and the reality of compliance is just not there across the board, and it is harmful both to them and to our community to force them into hunger when there are bigger forces creating this problem. Now unless you want us to everybody who can't find a job in three months. Rayleigh or Charlotte[sp?] or wherever there are jobs which is already happening without our intention I think that also is devastating our communities and so you're causing multiple negative impacts on our communities by this policy when you think people are just seating around doing nothing and not complying there are other ways to accomplish that goal. So I would ask you to support the amendment. Senator Meredith for what purpose do you rise?

Thank you Mr president I would like to ask Senator Hise a question please. Senator Hise do you yield for a question? I will yield. Thank you Senator Hise I just want to ask want to make I'm clear one of the ways to qualify is to volunteer, is that correct? I just want make sure Senator brian is talking bout a lot of none compliance in ways you can't comply can you not volunteer for 20 hours? It is my understanding those are federal agents that for those that volunteer for that same time period 20 hours I will maintain the eligibility in the program. Thank you Senator Hughes. Mr. President. Senator Waddell for what purpose do you rise? I want to speak towards the amendment. Enator Waddell you have the floor. I speak in support of this amendment and the reason being because the average income of jobless adults is 19% of the power of line are 2000 and 200 $360 a year, now we have a lot of elderly and I come in that category we are not able to work and we really are being penalized under these rules because you say we have to get a job, you have to go out and be trained so it really is not enough time and you're putting us in undue circumstances that's not necessary so I speak in support of this amendment. Thank you. Do we have any further discussion or debate? Senator Brown for what purpose do you rise? To ask Senator Hise a question.  Senator Hise do you yield? I yield. Senator Hise I'll just talk about what Senator Wadel said about a senior that could work, I don't think this bill would touch now. Again I think you're talking about what I envision is your are talking about a 30 year old, a 35 year old that will have to go out and seek a job or at least go volunteer for 20 hours in order to qualify, is that my understanding of what the bill does? yes Senator to respond the elderly qualification, and I [xx] staff I believe it is to age 59, and above qualifying under separate criteria, and I think this ranges individuals from 18 to 59 so there could be individuals that she could be talking about that are elderly that are in their 50's, that this would apply to but the individuals who can't work because of disabilities, and others qualify in other [xx] this is specifically limited to that everybody and individuals I know it bgins in adulthood, and it's between 59, 65 for that federal program [xx] but the aged individuals are in separate categories qualifying for the stamp systems. Do we have any further discussion, or debate? Senator Brian what purpose do you rise? Any further discussion, or debate hearing none, question for the senate is the adoption for amendment three, all in favor of vote aye, oppose of vote no, five seconds to be allowed for the voting, and the clerk will record the vote Tillman no. Bingham no 12 having voted in the affirmative and 31 in the negative. Amendment three fails. The bill has amended is back before the body, do we have any further, Senator Stein for what purpose do you rise? To debate the bill. Senator Stein you have the floor to debate the bill. Thank you Mr. President, members of the senate. Senator Sanderson as this bill moves forward as I assume it will I ask that you give extra consideration to section 11. I'm concerned about section 11's negative impact on our ability to keep our community safe and prevent crime. The AOC has informed me that the restriction on it;s ability to use various forms of identification, the consequence of that would be that they have to use John Does in various court filings which impede their ability and anyone else's ability who wants to do criminal background checks to know on whom they're doing it because the records are complete with John Does, so I ask if this bill moves forward if you would consider taking a look at section 11, I think that we should be making our state safer and not putting the people at risk. Senator Sanders propose your rise? Speak second time. You have the floor senator. Just and I thank you for that recommendation senator Stern I jst did want to say that after communications with with the folks from our justice  and public safety department, highway patrol they have no problem with the awarding as it is now the North Carolina sheriff's Association is just taking a neutral stand on it they are not supporting it or against it and so I think

that you bring up a good point and we will take that under consideration. Senator Brian, for what purpose do you rise? To speak on the Bill. Senator Brian you have the floor floor. I just wanted to point out and it's, I'm sure it's obvious, but I just want to point it out for the record that you understand that the availability of these jobs and the people who disproportionally don't have this jobs available and the numbers of jobs training programs available that would help them comply with this, in the disproportionately poor counties. Sure it's obvious to you but I just want to bring it to your attention and takes that for the the record. In addition I'm trying to find out if this volunteer requirement applies as has been indicated and for that reason Mr. President I want to object to third and pending getting that information. Thank You. Do we've any further discussion or debate on the bill as amended? Hearing none a question for senator passes the committee substitute the house bill 318 as amended on second reading. All favorable aye oppose vote no 5 seconds be left for the voting Clerk will record the vote. Tillman aye, Van Duyn no. 32 having voted in the affirmative, and 11 in the negative senate committee substitute to house bill 318 as amended passes it's second reading without objection will be read a third time. Senator Bryant you are objecting to third reading? I want to withdraw the objection volunteering at a public, or private agency does count. I still have some concerns, but that's truly helpful. Thank you senator. Mr. President. Senator Jackson for what purpose is your aye. Thank you Mr. President. There have been some great debate on this bill, but I'd like the weekend to look it over, so I'm going to object the third reading. Senator Jackson objects to third reading, and it will remain in the calendar. Senator Apodaca would it be okay for you to engross the amendments between second and third reading on that bill. That is what I was thinking right in my mind. Thank you Senator. Alright senators we have one more bill for the day, going back to local bills second reading roll call. House bill 526. Clerk will read. House bill 526 stand field annexation, local to the annexation. Do we have any discussion or debate? Hearing non, question for the senate is the passage of senate committee substitute, the House bill 526 on its second reading all in favor of vote eye, oppose of vote no. Five seconds be allowed for the voting, Clerk will record the vote Clerk aye. 38 having voted in the affirmative, and five in the negative, senate committee substitute House bill 526 passes its second reading and it will remain on the calendar, and that is the end of the calendar Senator APodaca, for what purpose do you rise? Well, not that close. Mr. President we're going to need about a 15 minute recess please senate will stand in recess for 15 minutes and that would be about 10 till one, back in here 10 til one [xx] Senators come in Sergeant at arms close the doors, members to go to the seats members go to their seats. Senate we are done with the calendar for the day. So at this time we would like to take a moment to say thank you to our pages who served us this week. Pages we really appreciate all your service, and your effort this week. Mr. President Senator Newton for what purpose do you rise?

This is an appropriate time a moment of personal privilege. This is appropriate time Senator you have the floor. Thank you Mr. President, members I wanted to take just a moment before we adjourned here today and following the recommendation of this pages to talk about the page that I have with me this week. Some of you might remember, I think it was Senator Tucker, and some others that that I spoke about this before, but some of you may remember that anesthesia cut through, better known as Nazi my page this week you're sitting back here with Carol Wilson is originally she's from the Ukraine and the reason I wanted to speak just a moment because I wanted to, I hope you've gotten a chance this week in this busy schedule to perhaps meet her and talk to her a little bit more is just a delightful young lady and it's a real testament to what she's been through to be here in the United States For those who don't recall, Nasi is an orphan and she'd worked very hard in Ukraine to find a way to through her orphanage to have her visa to come over here and she got everything ready to go and the director of the orphanage basically refused to allow her to come and basically my she was in sense held captive so she had to escape Ukraine, she had to escape the war she is really what we would consider to be a refugee, as a  grace of God she made it here with a lot of help from a lot of good individuals. I think a lot of good Christians, and also a lot of bribes, and she's been working hard here, she has schooled I believe 10 hours a day while she is here trying hard to learn English on her student visa, and I just want you to know how very impressed I am with her, and I think in light of all that is going on in the world what a great opportunity to have her with us today. So I just wanted to point that out to you, and thank her for her service this week. I hope you've had a wonderful week, I hope the [xx], and if you learn with that word, and activities of this body, and arguments that you've heard haven't confused you too much about the processes here, but thank you again for being here this week. thank you. Thank you senator [xx] other notices or announcements? Do we have any further business to come before the senate? If not the chair recognizes Senator Pate for a motion. Than you Mr President I move that the senate do now adjourn subject to the standard stipulations set forth in Senate rule 24.1. The ratification of Bills the appointment of conferee the receipt of conference reports and the receipt of house messages to reconvene on Monday September 28th 2015 at 10.30 am. At 10.30 am meeting is going to be a skeletal session the current plan is to take votes at 7 pm. The motion of the senate do now adjourns subject to the stipulations stated by senator Pate to reconvene Monday September 28th at 10.30 am seconded by senator Newton all in favor say aye, Aye Opposed no, the ayes have it senate stands adjourned