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House | June 18, 2014 | Chamber | Session

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The House will come to order. Members please take your seats. Visitors please retire from the chamber. Ladies and gentlemen of the gallery, members, please silence all cellular phones, electronic devices, basically anything that makes noise. Representatives McElrath and West are recognized to send forth a committee report. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McElrath and West for the Environment Committee, Senate Bill 38, various emergency management changes, favorable as to House Committee Substitute, unfavorable as to Senate Committee substitute and serial referred to Transportation. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The serial referral to Transportation will be stricken. House Committee Substitute, calendar. Senate Committee Substitute, unfavorable calendar. Petitions, memorials, papers addressed to the General Assembly or the House? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, House Bill 1139, which was reported in from Committee on Environment had a serial referral to Finance. It has been determined that it does not need that referral to Finance. Ask that that referral be stricken and that the bill be calendared for today. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The motion to strike the referral without objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection having been raised the gentleman may make a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, House Bill 1139 which was heard today, which was the environmental amends bill, environmental, I don't remember what the title was, but it originally had a referral, strike that, this is not the environmental management, this is the one that changed the property, had to do with the act to remove certain lands from the State Nature and Historic Preserve as recommended by the Environmental Review Commission. The bill passed unanimously in the committee. It originally had a referral to the Committee on Finance because of the way it was coded. Upon further review and consultation with staff, it does not need a referral to Finance. If the gentleman wants, this is totally non-controversial if the gentleman would like to remove his objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hall, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd like to withdraw the objection on that bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Again on the motion to strike the referral to Finance. Without objection. So ordered. Ladies and gentlemen, the chair would like to offer a welcome and a thank you to the nurse of the day. The nurse of the day is from Asheboro, Karen Lemons. Welcome and thank you for your service. Calendar. House Bill 1246, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1246, A bill to be entitled an act to provide that the law prohibiting weapons on campus or other educational property does not apply to an armed detention officer when the officer is discharging his or her official duties in Cabarrus, Forsyth, and Wake Counties. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Conrad, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Briefly speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I want to thank the House members for your unanimous support of this yesterday and hope I still have your support today for third reading. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is passage of House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1246 on its third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed, no. The ayes have it. The House Committee Substitute to House Bill 1246 is passed its third reading and the bill will be engrossed and sent to the Senate by

-- Special message. Senate bill 226, the clerk will read. [speaker change] Clerk: Committees, substitute for senate bill 226. A bill’s been filed enact to repeal a 1935 Durum county local act concerning fire arm registration. General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [speaker change] Before we begin the debate ladies and gentlemen, in prime motion are representatives Goodman and Pierce from Richmond and Scotland counties. The chair is happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Leadership Scotland Group. Please stand and let us welcome you. [applause] Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [Speaker change} Henry M. Michaux: To debate the bill. [speaker change] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [speaker change] Henry M. Michaux: A very odd situation for me, but let me tell you, this has been on the books in Durum County since 1935. It says that any gun purchase must be registered with the clerk of court. And this was aimed at a problem they were having with so called liquor houses is Durum at the time, where they were having problems. The laws have changed since then. Gun registration and everything has been taken through another method; we just want to get this off the books in Durum County. Ask for your support. [speaker change] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the senate committee substitute to senate bill 226 on its second rating. All in favor, say aye. Audience members, in unison: Aye [speaker change] All opposed, no. They ayes have it. The house committee substitute, the senate committee substitute, for senate bill 226 has passed its second rating, and without objection, will be read a third time. [speaker change] General assembly of North Carolina enact. [speaker change] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the senate committee substitute for senate bill 226 on its third rating. All in favor, say aye. [speaker change] Audience members, in unison: Aye. [speaker change] All opposed, no. The ayes have it. The senate committee substitute for senate bill 266 has passed its third rating, and will be enrolled. House bill 1195, the clerk will read. [speaker change] Clerk: House bill 1195, the bill’s been titled to enact in any pension spiking legislation by establishing contribution based benefit cap, to allow members of the teacher and state employee’s retirement system, the local government, employee’s retirement system, who leave employment within five years to receive a return of their contributions with accumulated interest, and return to a five year vesting period for members of the teacher and state employee’s retirement system, and the consolidated judicial retirement system who become members on or after August one, 2011, and make conforming change to the special separation allowance for law enforcement officers. General assembly of North Carolina enacts. [speaker change] Representative Collins, please state your purpose. [speaker change] Jeff Collins: I’ll briefly explain the bill. [speaker change] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [speaker change] Jeff Collins: This bill, although it looks long, and again, if you remember any pension bill we’re bring you looks long, because every paragraph gets repeated over and over again until we’ve covered all the retirement plans, actually does three things. Section one has an anti-pension spiking provision in it. If you’ll notice on page one, lines 20 and 21, this will affect less than three quarters of one percent of state employees. If you’ll look on page two of your bill, line nine, it also cannot affect any employee who’s making less than 100 thousand dollars. So, we’re not talking about the rank and file state employees here. The benefit cap formula that’s been come up with here is pretty complicated. I don’t think we need to get into it. What you do need to know is that on page three, pension spiking is not outlawed by this bill. It can still be practiced. But what happens is this, if you’ll look starting at about line 12 section 1-C on page three. If a member’s, has, is determined to have, a member and his employer by the way, have decided to commit pension spiking, then the amount which is owed the pension plan, in order to make the pension plan whole, is determined. And that member can offer a lump sum to do that. And there’s nothing in here that prohibits the employer from doing that. Now remember, to accomplish pension spiking, an employee and his or her employer, have to conspire to do this basically. So what the legislation is saying, if you want to do pension spiking, fine you can do it, but you’ve got to pay for it. You’ve got to make the retirement plan whole in order to do that. And, in case you’re wondering, the league of municipalities and the county commissioner’s association are both in favor of this bill, and they represent those who could be affected, because the cities and counties could be the employers that are doing the

pension spiking. We know of no opposition of this bill, and this is probably the most controversial provision in it. The second thing that it does, if you look at section two, is that we used to say if you are in the state retirement plans and you see-- you terminate employment for whatever reason, you'll get your contributions back, and if you've been with the state more than 5 years, you'll also get interest on those contributions. Section two does away with that 5-year provision; we found out, I think, we're the only state, or one of only few states that's actually getting an interest free loan from those people who don't work with us at least 5 years. So we'll doing away with that 5 year provision. In section 3, if you'll look at that, what we're doing is, there's a lot of repeats in there. The year 2011 is struck several times in there, and out of a 10 year mention is struck several times in there. What that does is take us back to 5-year vesting for pension purposes only. Again, remember this is the pension bill, this has nothing to do with health insurance or anything else. What we found is the-- going from five years to 10 years in pension vesting really didn't save us the money that we thought it was going to save us. Also, it is -- this is a benefit to our employees, by the way, including our teachers. Also, it helps our state agencies and probably municipal agencies as well, recruit people when they don't have to wait 10 years to vest in their pension. Again, I know of no organized opposition to this bill and would ask your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? Representative Blucas please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Collins would yield for questions.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins, does this gentlemen yield?[SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd be honored to.[SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Rep, Collins, thank you Mr. Speaker. Rep. Collins, one of the reasons given when we went to the 10-year plan was that we wanted to curb fault coming from coming from other states and working five years in getting vested. Is that going to be a problem with this?[SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm not - I don't know that I'm qualified to answer that question. This-- yeah, this is about vesting. Would you repeat the-- what you said was the premise again? I'm not sure I caught--[SPEAKER CHANGES] Premise was that we would having fault coming from other states across state lines. Working 5 years-- being vested in qualifying for retirement. Would that be a problem with this-- this scenario that you've presented to us now?[SPEAKER CHANGES] It might be, again, if you work -- if nothing changes any formulas. If you've worked five years, you're only going to get that 1.8 multiplier, whatever multiplied by 5, so I'm not sure -- I guess but it could, I guess if before you get no pension whatsoever, then you'd get nothing. If you work 5 years now under this 5 year vesting, I guess you'd get 9% of whatever you were making. If you were a legislature, you'd get maybe-- what would that be? A hundred bucks a month? Or something like that? [SPEAKER CHANGES] That's another question they've been asking.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Does the gentleman yield?[SPEAKER CHANGES] Sure. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Is anything in your provisions that's going to hurt the state financially? This came from the treasurers department as a request from the treasurers department. So, since they're in charge of the retirement plan, they don't believe this will hurt the state retirement.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, sir.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not a question before the house, is the passage 1195 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk ?? machine recorded the vote. 115 have voted affirmative, none in the negative. 1195 is passed its second reading and without objection. Will be read a third time.[SPEAKER CHANGES] ?? North Carolina enacts.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate? If not a question before the house it's the passage of house bill 1195 on its third reading. All in favor say aye.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye.[SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed no. The ayes have it. House bill 1195 has passed its third reading. Will be sent to the senate by special message. Senate bill 719, the court will read.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Committee ?? for 719, a bill to entitle enact to provide that student organizations and constituent institutions and community colleges may determine the organization's core functions and resolve any disputes of the organization and to prohibit constituent institutions and community colleges from denying recognition to organization for exercising these rights. ?? North Carolina enacts.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen of the house -- the senate bill 719

[0:00:00.0] …Is a companion bill of House Bill 735 which passed last year through the House with every republican vote and some by partisan support. This body just passed another bill that clarified to those people that need clarification, the K12 students and their teachers do not lead their constitutional rights of freedom of speech or religious expression at the school house gate when they enter. So, the bill before today it makes the same type of clarification on behalf of the rights of college students. At least these issues were not controversial but unfortunately they are, this bill clearly affirm the student organizations and colleges campuses maintain the right to determine their organization’s core functions and resolve their own internal disputes not the college or university administration, this bill will prohibit the administration from denying recognition to those organizations simply for exercising their rights to determine their own core functions but if you comment and questions that were raised in the committee that I want to briefly address, we need to make it clear that just because the student decides to attend one of our public universities or colleges that does not somehow mean that the student forfeits his right to administration or at the university or the college. Colleges do have an important role on to the law when it comes to granting recognition to student groups. This bill does not change that but this bill also recognizes that there is an important difference between education and indoctrination or conversion. Citizens do have first amendment rights that project their freedom speech and religious expression and those rights extended to students in our state universities and colleges. Now, some of them ask why this is necessary and unfortunately it is necessary. Our society is engaged in a ongoing cultural battle those who rules against God in the public square and against Christian expression in particular and unfortunately these efforts have the standard to our campuses, they have been reported efforts to religious student organizations have been threatened with non-recognition, denied access to university facilities, or otherwise harass because of their religious beliefs, there have been efforts to muzzle their speech, efforts to mandate whom they must accept their leaders or members and efforts to abridge their freedom of association. This bill and the house companion bill that we have already passed protect student organizations through such improper discrimination by universities and colleges on the basis of their religious beliefs. As far as any farfetched examples of what could possibly be allowed obviously if someone stay to religious beliefs or threat to the safety of others or otherwise violate the law those examples would not be protected by this bill but it does stop those that would invoke the power of their office to impose their beliefs just ___[03:27] for others but otherwise it bans an agenda of indoctrination or conversion. Members of the house we have a very good vote on the house companion bill and I again ask for your support today, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To send forward an amendment and then speak to the amendment Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to send forward an amendment the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier moves to amend the bill on page 1 lines 4 and 5 by re-writing the lines to read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Ladies and Gentlemen Representative Glazier indulge me and to anticipate some debate on this matter there is a group that I would like to recognize on the gallery, upon motion of Representatives Hamilton, Caitlyn and Davis from New Haven County, the Chairs happy to extend the courtesies of the gallery to Betty Bony, her children Beth Bony Jenkins and husband Dr. Clauston Jenkins, Charles Bonny Junior and wife Lynn, Susan Bony Coleman, Chris Bony and special family friend ___[04:30] Clark. The Bony family is here to represent Charles Bony Senior, who prior to his recent death receive the Order of the Long Leaf Pine from Governor Pat McCrory on May, 2014. Mr. Bony resided in Wilmington but lived as an architect across the state, he probably served his country in Word War II following the war he attended and graduated North NC States College of design and then joined his family’s architectural firm. Mr. Bony worked across the state… [0:04:58.8] [End of file…]

[0:00:00.0] Design schools for more than 70 counties many of you here attended one of the schools, he was a strong supporter of historic preservation, he was a leader in the establishment of Wellington historic district and he held more than a dozen positions with the American Institute of Architects and Service President of AI in North Carolina. If the Bony family will please stand and let us welcome you and please accept our condolences. [Applause] [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you very much Mr. Speaker and members and I send this amendment by email this morning to Representative Johns, we haven’t had a chance because of all the other committees meeting today to actually talk about it but I certainly didn’t wanna surprising it all on the floor with it. We had some of this debate the other day and the committees so I will try to setup the background for it and for this amendment. The bills did pass I think corresponding bills last year there was much debate and discussion over the policy and pretty much on a partisan line vote which I’m hoping we can avoid today. As a result of that it was my understanding that the universities board of Governors was getting ready to adopt a policy which would have I think negated the necessity for this bill. I thought there was some agreement to do that but that’s probably best way for debate on the bill itself nonetheless it was clear that the universities and the board were engaged in discussions and campuses were passing their own policies. My concern in the committee the other day was three fold one that we not be contradicting or passing a statue which was contradicting board of Governor’s policy that was getting ready to pass as well as university polices at different campuses, second that we be consistent and saying at the front end to the extend a law by student Federal Law that we also be consistent with the equal opportunity policies on campuses and not put universities in a position where we were likely to set them up for litigation but most importantly it was in the second little ‘I’ in each paragraph. I think it is correct to say that this bill actually does change the role of the university in granting recognition but it’s designed to do that. So, I know sponsors don’t believe that to be true, I believe that’s exactly what it does but I don’t know that there is anything unconstitutional about that, that’s a policy matter, it may not be a good policy or maybe a bad but what is a real problem is the second little subsection, the argument was made the other day by Senator ___[02:50] in committee that although we want leadership in organizations to be faithful to the mission of that organization and that’s what subsection will allowed us that we wanna have a diversity policy with regard to who can join clubs and organizations on campus because that’s part of being at a university and also allowing those clubs and organizations to function and grow. The subsection 2 does the opposite because what subsection 2 does is it says specifically that the organization may limit themselves with respect to how the Governor organization has two policies that they adopt in written form. An organization therefore, and I talk to university council and I have talked to a number of lawyers since yesterday and as far as I can tell they are in pretty much agreement that unless we modify that little subsection what can happen is as a classic example assume that there is a group on campus and we call it for odd purposes the student KKK club. And an African-American ___[04:04] decides that they wanna join that club and they agree that despite their status whether that’s for color or religion they agree with the policies of that club which may well be true in some cases, what Senator ___[04:21] said, “The bill would allows that the person will then have the right to be a member of that organization.” And I think that’s a good thing I think that’s the correct response but what those provisions says is, “If the student organizations membership criteria and their written policies says, but because of the nature of a club we are not going to allow anyone Jewish or black to be a member of our group than that’s what controls?” And I don’t think that’s what the sponsors intend but that is in effect with the words say. So, my amendment is trying to get at the broad policy issues it’s not trying to change the role that the… [0:04:59.7] [End of file…]

the majority wants for the university and its governance, but it is trying to get at that one issue, so if you look at what I have drafted with the help of others, and, after talking with counsel at a number of universities, it says: "To the extent allowed by state and federal law, and consistent to the institutions EO policies, a religious or political student organization may, in conformity with their written doctrine, their established written doctrine, not the doctrine they create on the spur of the moment, not the doctrine that's created by amendment to deal with one specific issue, it's got to be established written doctrine, that expresses their faith or mission, and they can determine the persons who profess faith or mission to then be the ones they chose for leadership, and they may then, as a result, as well, limit membership and participation in their organization to students who upon inquiry affirm their faith in that organization's mission." So if someone wants to be, as Representative Stam said the other day, wants to be a Democrat invading a Republican club to take it over, aside from the fact the Republican club could pass an attendance policy to stop that from happening, in all to get enough Republicans there to stop it. If they believe in the organization that this person is not, in effect, really committed, what they're trying to do is infiltrate the organization to devolve it, to dissolve it, the organization will have the ability to deal with that. What they may not do under this amendment that they apparently do have the right to do under the bill that I'm trying to stop is they can't say to me, in that KKK example, Well, you may agree with us, but you're Jewish and we don't want any Jews in the club, or you're black and you can't be in the club. It distinguishes between status and belief. The organization has a right to make sure that the people who join it have a belief. I think that in fact is the law, and I think that's what the sponsors intend, but what they don't have a right to do, and what will put the university in instant litigation, in my view, all across the state, is to declare someone, because of the color of their skin, or their religion, or their gender, that they may not be a member of this group, even if they actually profess faith and belief to the organization's missions. That's the problem I'm trying to solve, forget all the others, we can debate those. So, with that in mind, because I believe it does what it needs to do to make the distinguishing characteristic between belief and status, what Senator Soucek said the bill was intended to do. I move adoption of my amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I oppose the amendment for about three reasons. First, if you'll look on line nine and ten, which applies to UNC and it's the same issue at community colleges. The first little phrase there, "to the extent allowed by state and federal law" is just surplusage because of course we're governed by federal law and the state law involved is this law itself, but the real kicker is the next line, "and consistent with the constituent institutions Equal Opportunity policies." That's exactly the problem. We had all these PC institutions setting up speech codes and requirements for organizations and others will speak to the Supreme Court decision that necessitated this. That sets the UNC Board of Governors, which for a moment happens to be Republican majority, but who knows in the far future, sets their decisions up above the organization's own internal mission, and that it what is wrong. Now, we go down to the bottom here, about this scenario about some KKK group. I remember thirty years ago, when we had the Equal Access Act passed by the Congress, signed by President Reagan, that gives equal access in secondary education for bible clubs and things like that, on an equal basis with any other extracurricular activity during non-instructional time. At that time, we had people talking about "Oh, there's going to be witch's covens meeting in all the high schools of America, we're going to have terrorist groups, we're going to have white supremacist groups claiming this equal access." It hasn't happened. The same, now Representative Glazier is claiming that we're going to have people trying to form KKK groups on UNC campuses, but then he has the takeaway from the KKK group, you could then have the Republicans trying to take over the Democrats who only have

Members there and all they have to do, to take over the group is give a written statement where a firm that they support their goals. Well, guess what? I bet the goals of the Democratic party are so wonderful that even with a good conscious I could probably support those goals if I wink and nod about it. I urge you to defeat this amendment which guts the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen's recognize to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker as the primary sponsor of the identical house companion bill I strongly urge my colleague to oppose this amendment. I think Representative Stamm said it well, but it changes the bill. It weakens the bill. It guts the bill. It's not what the sponsors intended and I ask for you to oppose the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak a second time to the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen has recognized to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mister Speaker and I'll be brief. So, Representative Stamm, in response to his comments. If, I was seeking to gut the bill I would never have sent the amendment this morning to Representative Jones to read and prepare, I'd just simply sprung it on the house floor which would have been perfectly my right to do so. I didn't do that because that wasn't the intent. Secondly, I appreciate the fact that the board of governors can change, in fact, the board of governors who wanted to pass a policy today was dominantly appointed by the majority members, is Republican controlled, and this amendment is consistent with the policy they were attempting to pass, that you are now taking away from them today. Forward, this is not an attempt to get at the core issue which is to make sure that the university complies with not a political correctness test, but it actually moves them from a limited public forum to a more open public forum, which I think is the intent of subsection A and it doesn't touch that, but it very much does touch exactly what the case law touches on and I'm sort of tired, I guess saying the same thing but there is a big difference between your status and you're belief and while we can't solve everything here we can at least make sure that we are not creating a policy that is in violation of equal opportunity on campuses that causes more problems than it answers and to the extent that there's a problem that the majority has with equal opportunity, we have a bigger problem than this bill on the floor. I thought we were all committed to that, regardless of where it plays out and to the extent that Representative Stamm suggests that the problem with this amendment is in the term equal opportunity, that's precisely we're trying to get at which is we don't, we may keep people out of organizations if we chose to do so because we don't believe that they're faithful to the mission but we don't keep them out because they're black, we don't keep them out because they're Hispanic, we don't keep them out because they're Baptist or Jew and it works all different ways and that's all that's attempting to do and to the extent the majority fells otherwise, well that's a disappointment but that is what this amendment is attempting to do. I urge it's adoption. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To briefly debate the bill under the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen's recognize to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mister Speaker. I did want to take the opportunity to thank my friend Representative Glazier for emailing me today unfortunately I apologize I've been committee meetings all day, I didn't see it, but I appreciate the gesture. I wanted to acknowledge that but ladies and gentlemen we did have this debate in the whatever committee we had in here. My mind is tired and it failed miserably there and I do ask for you to oppose the amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brandon, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm speaking on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen's recognize to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I am in support of this bill but I'm also to support it's amendment because it did, we did talk about this in education committee and Representative, I mean Senator Siouxchek made it very clear that exactly what we were talking about was not the case but now is the case. There are lots of us on both sides of the aisle that would love to support this bill. I clearly have been in support of all of these bills that come through because I think it's very important to clarify the rights of students in the public schools. What they are able to do and what they're not able to do but what we should not be doing in this body and it's very clear from the board of governors what the policy that they're trying to implement today and through all the universities is that we do not discriminate based off of people, of cuz of who they are. We, everybody has their rights including the African American that wants to join the KKK Club. That is also a right and so it's just as much as a right for every single person to be able to exercise their religious beliefs on campuses and I think that the bill.

...this broader term does that and I support that but there is no way that people on our side of the aisle...most people they'll be able to support a policy that says because of who you are you can't join something. Yes we did pass it out of the education committee but we were misled about where it was. Now that we have clarified that, I think it's incumbent upon this group to be able to make the best bill that we can have. Make sure that we don't have much litigation and we don't put our universities’ intel with organizations and litigation that has to go forth. It's a very simple amendment, it does not change anything about the broader base of it but it does allow us to have broad support and continue to move in, all without litigation. I, [??], support the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Robert Brawley please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The agenda right now is to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, I think the reason we're down here is a very good reason to oppose this amendment. We ought to read the amendment. You have to basically square to being of one like mind in order to join the organization. I don't think any organization is going to survive very long if everybody in it has to follow one line and one path and if you believe in diversity, I don't think you want that either. I'm going to ask that you vote down the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the amendment? If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment to the senate committee substitute of senate bill 719. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote [silence] The clerk will let the machine record the vote. Forty four have voted in the affirmative, 71 in the negative. The amendment fails. We are now back on the bill. Further discussion, further debate. Representative Larry Hall please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Send forward an amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized. Send forth an amendment. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Larry Hall wants to amend the bill on page one, lines 22 through 23 by rewriting the lines to read… [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, house. During education committee I had the opportunity to speak with Representative Jones as we considered this bill and talk about the amendment concerns that I have. They're reflected in the amendment before you. And what this amendment does is say that there will be some type of appeal procedure for a member of these groups, and individual, who has already met whatever the group criteria is to be a member and has achieved, either through election or whatever process the group has, a leadership position. If they are removed or accused of somehow not being faithful to the cause that they will have some type of appeal procedure within that organization. That is all the amendment does. It just makes sure we not only assure the rights of the organization to exist but also that we assure the rights of the members of that organization to have an appeal should they be removed from a position they achieved under the rules. This again requires the organization, not the university. The university has no control over these organizations. This is for the organization to have a reveal or appeal process for the organization's individual members. So I ask your support on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank Mr. Speaker and thank you Representative Hall and I appreciate the discussion that we had in the committee and as we briefly had a chance to talk about it at the end, I would simply say that I would oppose the amendment. I would really like to see this bill completed. We passed it in the house. This bill is passed to the senate. I'd like to see it completed and moved forward. I really don't think that it's necessary, quite frankly, that the legislature has to make this decision. I think the way that the bill currently written is perfectly fine and perhaps this is a measure that we can talk about on another day, but for this particular bill in its particular form that it is, I'd like for it to go forward and I would ask that you oppose the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Larry Hall please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Just to speak a second time on the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The agenda right now is to debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Well thank you Mr. Speaker. Thank you Representative Jones. I do note that there is really no objection been expressed to individual members of the organization having a right to a review or appeal and so if we're going to be about individuals rights as well as these organizations rights, it would seem we would want them to have an opportunity to go before their peers and their organization and get a fair shake if they're willing to put themselves forward for leadership. So again I would ask you to support the amendment as there is really no objection to it.

Representative Jones please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the amendment a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen has recognized to debate the amendment a second time. Thank you mr. speaker and once again I do appreciate my friends discussion on this. However I think this particular bill seeks to allow a student organization, if you will, to determine it's own purpose. I don't fully understand all the repercussions but I don't want allow an individual, lets say, to go in perhaps with the wrong motivation to try to hurt that organization and I just think that this could have ramifications that we're not comfortable with. I'd like more time to look at it, perhaps in another venue, another bill. I just ask that you allow this bill to go further as it stands today and please appose this amendment. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the amendment [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentlemen recognize to debate the amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'd be more temped with the amendment if it required a process of appeal to the full organization rather then to the leadership. The organization it's self can set where the appeal would go. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate on the amendment ? If not the question before the house is the passage of the amendment sent forth by the representative Larry Hall to the senate comity substitute of senate bill 719. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The clerk will not be seeing the vote. 43 having been affirmative. 72 in the negative. The amendment fails. We're back on the bill as or not amendment, back on the bill. Further discussion? Further debate ? Representative Adams please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill Mr. Speaker [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lades recognized to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladys and gentlemen of the house, I was in the education comity when we debated the bill. I had some concerns then. I have some concerns now. I know that there's probably not anyone of this floor that has probably worked with students as long as I have on a university college campus and who have as much respect for students rights. But I also know that the university have responsibilities as well and when I asked the bill sponsor in the comity if he had spoken to any of the universities he said he did not, he had spoken to a number of students and while this bill is drafted for students, I know how important it is to support them because I've had a bill for a number of years to give the students a vote on the board of governess. They could have a vote and could be talking about this issue. I also reached out to a number of universities in my district and some not in my district and asked there legal folk about this bill and the impact that it would have. I think my first concern about it is that while we are trying to at least, it's reported we're trying to protect students rights. If a student can get membership into an organization and cannot serve as a leader in the organization in my opinion that is discriminatory on it's face. That's the first problem that I have with. In other words you can come in, and we'll let you come in, you'll pay your dues, you'll do all those things but you cannot be a elected as a leader. So I don't support discrimination in any fashion and so to allow me as a student to come into an organization and not be able to participate as a leader to be elected. I think that's the first thing that we are doing wrong. But as I talk to the universities in my district, basically they have indicated that this bill is really not needed because if there is a problem on the campus the board of governors or the board of trustees should really deal with those matters but it's interesting to me that the university board of governors that was appointed by this body had a policy that they were getting ready to vote on today at least that's the understanding that I had. They came through the comity on university governance. Which basically would have provided, put a policy in place and I wonder why that policy is not good enough.

Speaker:?? Representative John about that policy, Speaker Changes: Representative Johns the gentlemen you, Speaker Changes: I did, Speaker Changes: The gentlemen you yells, Speaker Changes: Representative John i think you are probably with the proposal for the new policy that the board of governors was considering why is that policy would enough, Speaker Changes: Thank you for your question Representative Adam son let me just talk about saying that i have been working with this issue alongside ?? for well over a year and i have a very different understanding for you as far as the ?? and the administrators university i cope with ?? consulted quite a bit and quite frankly after we passed the ?? bill i quite quite content to move with the senate but he was held up for some period of time well he was waiting with some of the conversations i think ?? i think Representative stamp allowed to that we don't have the same board of governors from year to year ,decade to decade ,we don't have the same university of governors ?? and frankly i would rather just clarify that our students do have the first mi mid right in what they are law ?? university administrators all board of governors,all board of trustees are who ever,Steve organization have light to exist and this bill ?? what happened over-side making decisions if such organization not exist on their campus for reasons of safety or whatever and i understand your comment of earlier you aid that you wont support discrimination in any fashion,i think any bod in this chamber would say we don't support discrimination because ?? ethnic background or bank account anything like that but i would suggests that in our society that political committee gone a muck,there is a such thing in a discrimination such that i think everybody in this chamber is married when you choose discrimination from your spouse all around there,i m well aware that there are group like democratic and republicans men groups and women group and they have they have the specific criteria in what they in groups i don't think that it's a improper discrimination ?? because they don't allow boys to join and so i think we seen to get away from the political correctness that is gone a ?? and we have to recognize that these students have mi mid right and it should not be freed ed by university administrator or presidents or board of directors or board of governors or board of trustees whoever to make that determinations, Speaker Changes: Thank you for your response i was thinking more about the fact that those bodies the board of directors the board of governors ,board of trustees they set path actually the board of Governors said policies we were just been talking about this said last here and we change every two years sometimes hopefully we don't have a complete wipe out sometimes that is possible to,i wanted to as i was reading about the while issue i came across Martinez are which speaks to all commerce if i could direct the question too Representative Glacier Speaker Changes: Representative Glacier will you, Speaker Changes: Yes Mr.Speaker, Speaker Changes: He yells, Speaker Changes: Representative Glacier are you familiar with the Martinez case the meaning of the all comers and the whole resolution that came from that case, Speaker Changes: Yes Representative Adams i came from that where i think the case is refer to ?? university of California,Hastings college of law Martinez, Speaker Changes: Follow, Speaker Changes: Gentlemen you, Speaker Changes: I do yell, Speaker Changes: What do you say about the vision of separation of state and how does this define all comers usage of time relates to ?? Representative ?? question in that case came to the supreme court,

Was decided, was whether or not the university's all-comers policy, which allowed there to be distinctions in leadership, but did not allow there to be ?? made on the basis of status, with respect to memberships and groups. Specifically, the question became whether the university's policy passed first amendment muster, or was in some way discriminatory. By making or providing that student groups had to accept membership from all-comers, and not based on their status. The question in that case came to the supreme court. The supreme court ruled 5-4, that the university's policy, which required open membership in the organizations, was constitutional, did not violate the student's first amendment rights. Was consistent with California's equal educational opportunity policies. And, made it clear that one of the things that the university policy was trying to get at, was to prohibit, and prevent student organizations from becoming, subterfuge if you will. For different partisan political beliefs, for different, issues with regard to organizations that the university thought that student money ought not be spent all around, everywhere. If there were real limitations being placed on who could be members of those organizations and that. The university, as a university had a right, to want to ensure that all students had access to student organizations. And, to membership in those organizations. And, that if an organization chose because of the status of someone to, decline membership in those organizations, that, that didn't fulfill the mission of the University of California system. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, thank you. Just to make one final comment, ya know, I think that we are treading dangerous water. We have a board of governors, I wish it were more diverse, really I do. But, it's not. But it does have, we've given the board of governors the authority to, to set policy like this. But greater than that, each university already has, and I've talked with a number of them, they have it, and I think we're treading in an area where we are looking at a violation between separation of state and church. Where these organizations now, the university's, if this bill is passed, and maybe that's really the intent. The university would have to support, financially these organizations, and some of the discriminatory practices. And when you don't allow someone, who is a member of the organization, to serve in the capacity of leadership, then that's discrimination, and I think we really need to be concerned about that. I think that this bill is very problematic, it will be problematic for the universities, every university that I've spoken to says that. They say that it's not needed, and I don't know why, if we would elect members of the board of governors, that we would, that we would, try to circumvent a policy that we asked them to put in place, in the first place. I would certainly encourage you to vote against this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hamilton, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Chair. To be recorded as voting aye on the amendment, the Larry Hall amendment. I was in the chamber. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady will be recorded as voting aye on the Hall amendment. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Schaefer, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this bill, and would urge members to support it. Just last week we spoke about student's rights, and we've heard it on the floor today. That students do have first amendment rights that they do not shed at the school house gate. That applies at the K-12 level, it applies also at the college, and university level. This is a policy decision that we want to make, it supports the constitution that we want to support. Student's right's to freely associate, to freely associate around religious beliefs, other mission based beliefs, and so this is what this bill is about. I do want to speak a moment to the Martinez case, as well. There were a few points that were made about the holding in that case. But, what's very important is that, the Martinez case is the very reason we need this bill. The supreme court, in Christian Legal Society vs. Martinez said that Hastings College of Law.

That policy was okay that it was constitutional but it did not say that schools were required to have such policies and so we as a governing body, we are making the decision today if this bill passes and again I would urge your support of it we are making the decision that it is not okay for universities to engage in this kind of conduct. We do want our student organizations to be free to associate around such beliefs, such religious beliefs, such mission-based beliefs and have the authority to make those kinds of decisions. So I would urge your support of this bill, this is about the first amendment, it is about free association, it is about religious belief and expression and freedom of speech. So, members, I would urge you to support this bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jones, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Briefly debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill a second time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, we did have a good vote on the companion house bill and you've heard the debate today. I don't think the debate has changed and probably not a lot of votes are going to change. But I would just urge you to do the right thing. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to stand up here and argue the legal, I think you've pretty much heard a lot of the legal arguments, but I will say this. I am the parent of one collegate student and soon to be two and I have a great deal of friends who are the parents of students who are either in college or have recently finished college and if you talk to those people and you pay attention to what's going in some of our state colleges and universities you know it's time for us to take a stand and this is one stand that we need to take today and I urge you to do the right thing. For you to vote yes. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the house is the passage of the senate committee substitute to senate bill seven nineteen on its second reading, those in favor will vote aye, those opposed will vote no, the clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lock the machine and record the vote. Seventy-eight having voted in the affirmative and thirty-seven in the negative, the motion to pass senate bill seven nineteen on its second reading has passed and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The general summary of North Carolina in ??. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the house is the adoption of the senate committee substitute to senate bill seven ninteen on its third reading, those in favor will say aye. Those opposed will say no. The ayes have it and the senate committee substitute to senate bill seven nineteen has passed on its third reading, will be enrolled and sent to the governor. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Couple re-referrals prior to the recess motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for the re-referrals. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, ?? house bill eleven fifty six short title of spirit of ?? tasting city of Ashville be removed from the ABC sub-committee of commerce and be referred to the full committee of commerce. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] And house bill twelve twenty, Hope for Hailey, the bill's presently in the HHS committee with a serial referral to judiciary B and then it has to go to finance thereafter, I move that the serial referral to judiciary B be stricken. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Without objection. So ordered. Further notices and announcements? Representative Starnes. Please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The Republicans will caucus immediately upon recess in room twelve twenty-eight. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a motion if there's no additional notices or announcements. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I see a second. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I see a second. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McNeil, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] A moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a moment of personal privilege. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I just wanted to rise today to sadly announce that former member of this body passed away yesterday. Wily Edwin Gaevin died June seventeenth twenty fourteen. He was born in nineteen twenty-one in Sanford the son of

Edwin Lee Gavin and wife Mary Cottle Gavin, he graduated Sanford High School in 1938. From Wake-Forrest College in 1942, where he was president of Pi Kappa Alpha. He graduated Wake-Forrest Law School in 1948. He served in the US Army from 1942-46, and again from 1950-52. Retired as a Major in the Judge Africa Generals court. He has two sons, Gio Gavin of Charloote, and Judge Lee Gavin of Ashboro. He practiced law in Ashboro from 1948-2000. He was a member of the city of Ashboro planning board, chairman of the Randolph County Library board, and a Randolph County attorney from 1985-1995. He served in this body in the 1953, the 1955, and the 1957 sessions. Mr. Gavin was a good friend of mine and will be sorely missed by the citizens of Randolph County. I ask you to reach out to his family with your condolences. Thank you.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stone, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement.[SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for an announcement.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen I just wanted to make sure to remind everyone, tomorrow we will have another government meeting. State local government at 45 minutes after session, I'm only telling you now because we're gonna send the agendas out to everyone. It will be quite a few items on that agenda, so do look at it, read over it, and prepare. Thank you.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Pittman, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Appoint of personal privilege.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman’s recognized for appoint of personal privilege.[SPEAKER CHANGES] I would like to announce the birth, at 5:59 this morning, of my 6th grandchild, my grand-daughter Lorelai, weighing in at 9 lbs. and 3 oz. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Reeves, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Appoint of personal privilege.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman recognized for appoint of personal privilege.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, I was just hoping that ladies and gentlemen of the gallery -- of the assembly, that would you join me today in celebrating the birth of a Great seatmate that I've been blessed to have, Mr. Joe Sam Queen.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hall, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] For an announcement, Mr. Speaker.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman’s recognized for an announcement.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Democrats will caucus 5 minutes after session in 1425, 5 minutes after session today. 1425.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moors is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker I move that the house, ?? recess to 445 pm subject to ratification, of bills, message from the senate, committee reports, conference reports, ?? all bills and resolutions, appointments of ??, introduction of bills, resolutions and modifications to the calendar.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Okay.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative-- Representative Hall, please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, Mr., Speaker, that will be 5 minutes after recess. 5 minutes after recess for the house of Democratic caucus in 1425. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members of the house will now stand in recess, subject to ratification of bills. Messages from the senate committee reports, conference reports, referrals of bills and resolutions. Appointment of ?? and introduction of bills and resolutions and modifications of the calendar until 445pm today. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Glazier please state your purpose.[SPEAKER CHANGES] To inquiry of the chair, please.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentlemen may state his inquiry.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, I know we're recessing subject to referral, so just so we know since we're all going into caucus, is there going to-- in our as we exit out a re-referral of any bills for the calendar for when we come back after recess? If so, we would request that--[SPEAKER CHANGES] We will-- [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore--[SPEAKER CHANGES] There will be, Representative Glazier, number of bills added to the calendar, that will happen after we come back.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Follow-up Mr. Speaker?[SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentleman may say his inquiry.[SPEAKER CHANGES] Since we're all going into caucus, and so it would be helpful I think to the express and graphs to speed us along if there could be an information given to both caucuses about what bills are coming back on so that we can try to find our positions, do our work, and not have to take up more time on the floor and delay the amendment.

I can’t tell you exactly which bills I consider were a series of local bills that were reported out today. I am going to review those just a bit [speaker changes] I can’t answer your question right now [Speaker Changes] Mr Speaker You have it [Speaker Changes] There is a possibility that environmental and regulatory reforms may be added to the calendar or may not. That’s part of what we are taking up in caucus. [Speaker Changes] This time house will now stand in recess [Speaker Changes] Rep Stone and Horn recognize the input of the committee report on government. Clerk will read. [Speaker Changes]Rep Stone and Horn government committee [Speaker Changes] House bill 1054 [inaudible] seek election. Favorable to the committee substitute.Unfavorable to original bill and re-referred to finance [Speaker Changes] committee substitute. Re-referred to the committee of finance. Original unfavorable in calendar [Speaker Changes] House Bill 1056 Lake lur official map re annexation favorable and re-referred to finance [Speaker Changes] The bill is re-referred to the committee of finance [Speaker Changes] House bill 1148 state CIO Mobil communications devices. Favorable [Speaker Changes] Add to Calendar start 36b [Speaker Changes] House bill 1151 pay bill red light changes reported without prejudice and re-referred to finance [Speaker Changes] The bill is re-referred to finance [Speaker Changes] House bill 1168, Yantzy ride of way safety . Favorable [Speaker Changes] Calendar 36 b [Speaker Changes] House bill 1207. High point charter. Council hired city attorney. Favorable [Speaker Changes] calendar 36b [Speaker Changes] House bill 1245 Pleasant Garden voluntary annexation, favorable and re-referred to finance [Speaker Changes] The bill is re-referred to finance [Speaker Changes] House bill 1247 Ashville Original Airport Favorable [Speaker Changes] Calendar 36b [Speaker Changes] House bill 1159, the city of Greenville private zone, favorable to the committee substitute unfavorable to the original bill [Speaker Changes] Committee substitute bill calendar original bill unfavorable to calendar [Speaker Changes] Representatives, [inaudible] committee on environment house bill 1057 favorable to the committee substitute unfavorable to the original bill [Speaker Changes] Committee substitute bill calendar original bill unfavorable to calendar [Speaker Changes] House bill 1105 local erosion program stake over existing plans, favorable to the committee substitute unfavorable to the original bill [Speaker Changes] Committee substitute bill calendar original bill unfavorable to calendar [Speaker Changes] House bill 1106 erosion control designer certification.favorable to the committee substitute unfavorable to the original bill [Speaker Changes] Committee substitute bill calendar original bill unfavorable to calendar [Speaker Changes] House bill 1139 state natural and history preserve deletions, favorable to the committee substitute unfavorable to the original bill [Speaker Changes] Committee substitute bill calendar original bill unfavorable to calendar [Speaker Changes] Senate bill 163, To check land owners water rights. Favorable to the house committee substitute and unfavorable to senate committee substitute [Speaker Changes] House committee substitute bill calendar Senate committee substitute unfavorable to calendar [Speaker Changes] The house would come to order. Members Please Take your seats. Ladies and Gentlemen of the house. We are going to add some bills on the calendar a bill that will not be added to the calendar is regulatory reforms bills. the environment bill will be added hopefully without objections. And a couple of other bills that we would like to add and disperse this afternoon [Speaker Changes] For the time being we are going to move ahead with the items that are already in the calendar. House bill 558. The clerk will read [Speaker Changes] House bill 558. A bill to be entitled and act to allow sales tax for refunds for soil and water conservation districts in regional jails. The North Carolina General Assembly act [Speaker Changes] Members, Please take your seats. Representative Whitmire, Please state your purpose [Speaker Changes] Mr Chairman to know that we concur

Debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has stated the motion to concur. The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Chair or Mr. Speaker. As far as concurring with the Senate Committee Substitute 558, we passed the House portion of this unanimously. The Senate passed what the last line that's been added unanimously. In a nutshell, it's a good act bill. It benefits 66 of our House districts and it cleans up a little sloppy text. I ask that you vote to support concurring with what we received over from the Senate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion. If not, the question before the House is the motion to concur with the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 558. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will out machine record the vote. 111 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The House has concurred in the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 558. The bill will be enrolled and sent to the governor by special message. House Bill 698, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 698, an act to authorize criminal history checks for current volunteers or paid fire department personnel and emergency medical services personnel and to establish the urban search and rescue program and the urban search and rescue advisory committee. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Saine, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill and to move that we concur. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman's motion has been recognized to concur. The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. This bill went over to the Senate, has came back and proved that we added that Senator Meredith's bill on the urban search and rescue for firefighters. We had a good vote on it here. Like I say, the changes are good and I urge you to vote for it. Thank you Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion. If not, the question before the House is the motion to concur in the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 598. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will out machine record the vote. 112 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. The House has concurred in the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 698. The bill will be enrolled and sent to the governor by special message. House Bill 777, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 777, an act to amend the law that imposes residential restrictions on sex offenders to provide that a sex offender is prohibited from residing within one thousand feet of a site where a Boys and Girls Club of America is located. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] For a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized for a motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker it will be my motion that we do concur with the Senate, the Senate changes, and if I could explain them. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a bill that we heard last session, and there was a little bit of debate on sex offenders and everything, but I just want to tell you what has changed. When we sent it over to the Senate, it had an effective date of December 1, 2013. Of course, we didn't make that deadline so we needed to make a amendment done to December 1, 2014, however once it got in to committee, a few senators, Senator Randleman in specific, had a problem with delaying it. She was concerned that if we made it effective December 1st then that gave people 5-6 months to move to where they wanted to move and then they would be grandfathered in and so she asked me would it be OK to make it effective upon passage and I told her that was fine with me, and I do move to concur. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate on the motion. If not, the question before the House is the motion to concur with the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 777. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will out machine record the vote. 111 having voted in the affirmative and none in the negative. The House has concurred in the Senate Committee Substitute for House Bill 558. The bill will be enrolled and sent to the governor by special message. The House be at ease. We'll just take a moment for the Rules Chair to have the list of bills that we are moving to add to the calendar. The House be at ease for just a moment.

And while we're at ease I guess we get to let the pages get off work. It is 5:00 hour. You're a luckier group of people for us. You're dismissed for the day. The House will come to order, Representative Moore please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker to, moving to add a number of bills to today's calendar, in fact, a supplemental calendar is going to be issued and I will go through those, go through those bill numbers and bill titles if the members would like. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Moore, please do so. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All right, first bill is House Bill 1033, which is Representative Goodman's bill, special assessment, dam repairs, Richmond County, House Bill 1211, Representative Goodman, Mount Gilead Charter revision and consolidation, House Bill 1245, Representatives Martin and Farmer-Butterfield, Wilson County occupancy tax increase, House Bill 1044, Representative Lewis Aversboro Township Tourism Development Authority changes, House Bill 1114, Representative Dobson, Help part D transferring property, House Bill 1159, Representatives Brown and Martin, City of Greenville, private sale, House Bill 1168, Representative Presnell, Yancey right of way safety, House Bill 1207, Representatives Faircloth, Brandon, Blust and Hurley, High Point Charter Council hire city attorney, House Bill 1218, Representatives Horn, Arp and Brody, City of Monroe, Supervision of attorney, House Bill 1247, Representatives McGrady, Fisher, Moffitt and Ramsey, Asheville Regional Airport, House Bill 1088, Representatives Davis and Burr, Highway Patrol routine maintenance, House Bill 1089, Representatives Davis and Burr, Administrative Office of the Courts civil case management system, House Bill 1090, Representatives Davis and Burr, Administrative Office of the Courts Information Technology policy, House Bill 1091, Davis and Burr, Study supervision of magistrates, House Bill 1094, Davis and Burr, Mediated settlements, district court, House Bill 1105, Torbett and Brody, Local erosion programs, take over existing plans, House Bill 1106, Torbett and Brody, Erosion control designer certification, House Bill 1149, Representatives Saine, Bell, Cleveland and Tolson, State Chief Information Officer mobile communication devices, and Senate Bill 38, Senator Jackson, Amend environmental [SPEAKER CHANGES] Objection. [SPEAKER CHANGES] State, is the member just objecting to the one bill, is that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir. [SPEAKER CHANGES] If I may be heard on the final. So I assume, Mr. Speaker, wants to order those others added and then if I can. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yeah, without objection, all but the one raised. So ordered. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would move that Senate Bill 38 be added to today's calendar and ask to be heard briefly on that. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker, members, this is the amend environmental laws 2014. This is not my bill, but it is a bill that was heard in the House Environment Committee today. It was reported out, and I believe that the bill is properly before the House and would move that it be added to today's calendar. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman has made the motion. Debate the motion. Representative Luebke, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, members of the House. There is not a copy of this bill available for us to read right now. It was presented to the Environment Committee at 12 noon today. It is being brought into position so that we could debate it and vote on it today, yet all the members of the Environment Committee have not had a copy of that bill to read through. It is a 25 page bill. Why

[0:00:00.0] Would we want to rush this when we can wait till tomorrow when all the members can have a chance overnight to read the bill, why would we now wanna do that? This is a major environmental policy bill. It is a bill that has bipartisan support. There are number of people on our side who support the bill, there is no reason to push it, why would you want to vote on a bill that you are not seeing until right now? And that remembers us why we should vote against the motion to hear the bill. Right now, we should hold off till tomorrow which we can easily do, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Samuelson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] I will bring people’s attention to your dashboard it’s on the dashboard now, many of the parts of this bill are bills that either already passed through here or already came through E or C and some committees so they have been out for a while and filed for a while so they are available for us to read as Representative Luke said it was bipartisan support I’m willing to go through all of the parts and to make sure we all understand it, we can put it off to another day but I don’t think it will change the outcome and would recommend that we go ahead and do it now. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Jackson please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen I would ask you to vote against the motion I don’t think we should consider this bill today I’m gonna briefly tell you why and I have the same remarks I was gonna make on the regulatory reform it was attempted to be added on. It’s 20 some pages long and I don’t like to read it and I don’t like to understand it and I’m gonna give you a real world example, if you look at the regulatory reform bill of last year House Bill 74 there is an error in it, it pretends at the bottom to say except it was otherwise provided this act as effective when it becomes a law. However, there was a clause that was mistakenly left in the bill about four Senates higher that actually makes most of the regulatory reform bill July 1st, 2015 that’s where I discovered when I finally got to the end of the bill well everybody was doing stuff last year when we ask not to add it on, it was like page 58 or 59, I would check with staff and they told me yes I was right that was a mistake and it would mess up the intend of the bill but we just rushed it through. I don’t know how of them vote on the bill and had ___[02:41] but I would ask for the ___, thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Collins please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Inquiry the Chair. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman may state as ___ [SPEAKER CHANGES] My procedural ignorance here, I know there are such things is three day bill and I have not yet been able to learn exactly what they are for qualify this, is this a bill that we could have second and third reading both on tomorrow and vote on or is this one that has the stretch over three days that might determine how they are doing this motion? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yeah, this bill could be, we could take both readings without objection tomorrow otherwise there will be a Friday session if there is objection we take up second reading tomorrow or if we take it up on second reading tomorrow if there is an objection the intern of the chair to have a Friday session. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Larry please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker, I think you came up with a good idea in your discussion with Representative Collins and that is if we do it on second and third tomorrow I have the same concerns that Representative Jackson has that not only we not had a chance to read the bill when I was in finance and some other meetings regarding the bills that we didn’t get a chance to review and I have a lot of constituents who want to read bills and tell me from their expertise of personal experience how it affects them so I would know how to respond to it or make amendments to it. So, Mr. Speaker I would certainly on behalf of the Democratic Congress agree to second and third on tomorrow, we would certainly want our constituents to have an opportunity to read the bill and let us know what they would wanna do? [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative ___[04:30] as the Chair understand that if we carry this over to tomorrow there will be not any objection to third reading and we can’t dispose which one. [SPEAKER CHANGES] That’s our intention yes Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Then the Chair would ask Representative Moore to be recognized to ___[04:46] motion. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker based on that agreement for second and third we will throw all the motion to add this particular bill… [0:04:59.8] [End of file…]

Ladies and gentlemen, I do believe on the dashboard all of the bills that represent or have been added without objection are now available on the dashboard. So we will move to the supplemental calendar. House Bill 1033. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1033. An act to authorize Richmond County to impose a special assessment for repair of a dam the general assembly of North Carolina acts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Goodman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. This is just a bill which authorizes the county commissioners in Richmond county to create a special tax district ??? dam all the property owners that are contingent to the area are in favor there's no opposition, it's passed through government and finance and now we ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hastings, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To ask the bill sponsor a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Goodman does this gentleman yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Goodman, the title references an assessment and you mentioned a special tax district, an assessment is not a tax, is that correct? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I've talked to bill drafting about that I think those words can be used interchangeably in this case. Mr. Speaker [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Hastings, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To see if Representative Stam will yield for a question. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, does the gentlemen yield? [SPEAKER CHANGES] I do. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen yields. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Stam, is an assessment a tax? [SPEAKER CHANGES] The label is not determinative. A tax is for the general support of the government, an assessment for something that improves the property. [SPEAKER CHANGES] So to confess, I really wasn't paying a whole of attention to the debate but it probably sounds to me like an assessment rather than a tax. But you do have to pay it whether you like it or not. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Goodman, if the gentleman will yield for a moment. It's the chair's understanding that this is a roll call bill so the reading today was first reading and we cannot take it up until tomorrow anyway. We've got 24 hours to put it in the crockpot Representative Hastings to answer your question. Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to move forward to the public bills. The second page of the supplemental calendar to give members an opportunity to look at all of the local bills that are eligible for second and third reading voice vote and determine whether or not the chambers amenable to voting those as a group. So if you will please look at the middle of the first page of the supplemental calendar local bills under second and third readings with one additional one on the top of the second page I will come back and see if there's objection to voting any of those as a group. And without objection we'll move forward. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Michaux, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] We're just getting a copy of the supplemental calendar so can you give me about a minute or two...[SPEAKER CHANGES] Actually, I'm gonna give you more than that. What I was wanting to do is go ahead and move to the public calendar so we'll dispose of the local bills either individually or as a group at the end of the public calendar. House Bill 1088. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1088. An act to direct the state highway patrol to the feasibility and cost effectiveness of contracting with local businesses to perform maintenance on highway patrol vehicles en lieu of requiring the vehicles to be taken to a regional maintenance facility is recommended by the regional legislative committee on judicial efficiency and effective administration of justice. The general assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen, of the house. This will require the Department of Public Safety to ?? the feasibility and cost effectiveness of contracting with local businesses to perform maintenance on State Highway Patrol vehicles in lieu of requiring the vehicles to be taken to a regional maintenance facility. The department shall report the results of the state to the joint legislative oversight committee on justice and public safety by March 2015. A lot of times highway patrol stations are far away from their maintenance facilities so they have to travel....

long distance, which is time consuming and also expensive. It takes the troopers away from their duties. What this would allow local highway patrol stations to do would be to contract with local people to fix the vehicles, thereby saving time and money and make it more efficient. And I ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Baskerville. The Chair's turned off your light a couple of times. I think that tablet keeps on rolling over on the light. I just wanted to make sure you weren't asking to speak [SPEAKER CHANGES] I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker. [SPEAKER CHANGES] No problem. Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1088 on it's second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. All members please record. The clerk will let the machine record the vote, 114 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. House Bill 1088 has passed it's second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1088 on it's third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed no. The aye's have it, House Bill 1088 has passed it's third reading, will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen, from this point until the end of session all messages will be sent to the Senate by special message. House Bill 1089, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1089, an act to direct the administrative office of the courts to develop a case management system for civil cases in superior court as recommended by the Legislative Research Commission's Committee on Judicial Efficiency and Effective Administration of Justice. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This bill would direct AOC to study and develop a case management system for civil cases in superior court designed to make more efficient use of superior court time and resources including a more flexible designation of mixed sessions. The study shall consider a system allowing exception cases to be assigned to a superior court judge to oversee the case. AOC shall report to the Joint Legislative Oversight Committee on Justice and Public Safety by March 1, 2015. The mixed sessions, as a lot of you all may know, when a superior court judge has a criminal session for a week it may break down after a couple of days and the judges go home. Well same thing with civil court. What this would enable a criminal court judge to do during a criminal court session, if the criminal court ends then that judge would have the authority to contact civil lawyers and ask if there are any pretrial motions or any other pretrial matters that might need to be heard to keep things moving along. On the other side of the coin, if there was a civil session and it broke down early this would allow the judge to contact the district attorney and lawyers and say if you all have got any pleas you want me to take or any other pretrial motions you want me to hear then I'll entertain those. Once again, make it more efficient time and expense that we pay the judges to do their work. So I would ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1089 on it's second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will let the machine record the vote, 113 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. House Bill 1089 has passed it's second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate? If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1089 on it's third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed no. The aye's have it. House Bill 1089 has passed it's third reading, will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen, again just as a reminder, if you will please review the second and third reading bills at the midsection of the first page of the supplemental calendar and the first bill, House bill 1247 on the second page. If we group those, those will be voice votes. House Bill 1090, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1090, an act to direct the Administrative Office of the Courts to develop a written, comprehensive policy for the management of information technology resources as recommended by the Legislative Research Commission's Committee on Judicial Efficiency and Effective Administration of Justice. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Davis, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In view of the massive quantity of technological equipment that the AOC has, what this bill would do, it would require the AOC to develop a written, comprehensive policy for the management of information technology resources.

Speaker Changes: That includes specific guide line for the distribution and maintenance for information technology hardware and they would report to the joint legislative committee for justice and public safety information technology for march 2015 when this was heard in sub committee ?? he said he understood what's this bill is all about worked for getting a report as reported, Speaker Changes: Further discussion further debate,if not before the house is passage of bill 1014 on it's second reading all in favor will vote aye,all oppose vote no,the clerk will open the vote ?? 113 voted in the affirmative none in the negative bill 1017 is passed it's second reading without an objection will be ready the third time, Speaker Changes: The general assembly of North Carolina, Speaker Changes: Further discussion further debate, Speaker Changes: ?? the passage of bill 1090 all in favor say aye,all oppose no the house bill 1090 will pass it's third reading the bill will be send to senate ??, Speaker Changes: House bill 1091 an act to direct administer all office of the court's assembly to study the appointment and superstition of ? legislative research committee ?? and effective administration of justice,North Carolina general assembly and that, Speaker Changes: Representative Davis please state your purpose, Speaker Changes: To speak on the bill, Speaker Changes: The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill, Speaker Changes: Thank you Mr.Speaker this particular bill would require the A O C to study the appointment and superstition of ?? the study should appoint the superstition of ?? responsible of some person other than the chief district court judge and to make sure any other address to change for the process to point and supervise the magistrates ,A O C report to the joint legislative over side committee would ?? by march 1 2015,i ask your support, Speaker Changes: Further discussion further debate, Speaker Changes: If not the question before the house passes the bill 1099 on it's second reading all in favor vote aye,all in favor vote no the clerk will open the vote ?? 114 have voted in affirmative and none in he negative house bill 1099 passes the second reading without objection will be ready third time, Speaker Changes: The general assembly of North Carolina, Speaker Changes: Further discussion further debate , Speaker Changes: If not the question the house passage the house bill 1099 on it's third reading all in favor will say aye,all oppose no the house bill 1099 passes it's third reading will send to the senate house bill 1094 the ??, Speaker Changes: House bill 1094 the act to provide immediate ?? of district court civil action and and make technical correction of rules of similar procedures,is recommended by the legislative research committee and judicial proficiency and effective administration of justice of general assembly north Carolina and ?? Speaker Changes: Representative Davis state your purpose, Speaker Changes: To speak on the bill, Speaker Changes: The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill, Speaker Changes: Thank you Mr.Speaker at the present time the statue allows for immediate settlement conference to be ordered in civil district court in case involving family court and that's the only area required the jurisdiction of district court has increased from 10,000 to 25,000 dollars prior to that increase which was 10,000 dollar limit the extra 15,00 was in supreme court and subject o immediate ?? those cases were in district court so what this bill will able to do will enable mediation to be done on all civil cases in district court not only family law cases but cases as well .The ration of being more cases getting settled keep out the court and cost efficient and judicial efficiency you will have ?? so would ask the chair please to support this because i think it will be a good process overall for the legal system of this cases ?? as possible of the court so the court can use more wisely than you to be there,thank you Speaker Changes: Further discussion further debate, Speaker Changes: If not the question before the house passage of the house bill ?? 1094 on it's second reading all in favor will aye,all oppose vote no the clerk will open the vote ?? 114 have voted in the affirmative none in the negative ,the house committee substitute the house bill 1094 passes it's second reading without objection will be red the third time, Speaker Changes: General assembly north Carolina , Speaker Changes: Further discussion further debate, Speaker Changes: If not the question before the house the passage of the house committee substitute has bill 1094,

Third reading all in favor say aye all opposed no. The ayes have it. The house comity substitute. The house bill 1092 has passed it's third reading. Will be sent to the senate. House bill 1105, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1105 in act to require the sedimentation to control commission to transfer it's responsibility for administering and informing existing erosion and sedation control plans to local governments approving local erosion and sedimentation control programs as recommended by the l.r.c comity on land development. North carolina general assembly enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Brody please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill, please. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen has recognized to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] Members this is pretty basic com out of our land development comity. It says that if the county is going to take over the erosion and sedimentary control program from enter that they have to take the whole program over and not decide that they are going to select pieces of it. That's it. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative McGrady please state your purpose [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen is recognized to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] I recommend this bill to you. Henderson county took over it's soil erosion and control piece and got actually right in the problem that representative Brody is trying to address with the bill meaning bring it all together at the same time. I recommend the bill to you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion? Further debate ? If not the question before the house is the passage of the house comity substitute the house bill 1105 on it's second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All members please record. Clerk lot machine please record the vote. 114 having voted affirmative none negative the house comity substitute has passed it's second reading without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] General assembly North Carolina [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion ? Further debate ? If not the question before the house is the passage of the house comity substitute the house bill 1105 on it's third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed say no. The ayes have it. The house comity substitute. The house bill 1105 has passed it's third reading. Will be sent to the senate. House bill 1106. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1106 an act to require the designer of a retaining wall or similar erosion control device having a structural foundation required to be installed under state approved erosion and sedimentation control plan to certify the device has been approved in accordance with the flickable codes and specifications and will be installed according to the approved erosion and sedimentation control plan. Genereal assembly north carolina. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Torbett, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Debate the bill mr . speaker [SPEAKER CHANGES] Gentlemen has been recognized to debate the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker. Ladies and gentlemen I have a 20 page dissertation prepared to explain this and in lew of reading that I'll just briefly touch on the bill . As chairman Brody mentioned him and I were fortunate to chair on the comity during the interim and the outcome of that comity arrived at two conclusions and one of those conclusions is fixed in this legislation pending and that is basically to improve the lines of communication between all parties when it comes to effect peoples property and you can read the bill. I'm aware of no objections to it. It pretty much has run its gambit and ready to move forward and I am available for any questions, mr speaker . [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion ? Further debate ? If not the question before the house is the passage of the house comity substitute house bill 1106 on it's second reading. All in favor vote aye. All opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will lot machine record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative. None in the negative. The house comity substitute the house bill 1106 has passed it's second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The general assembly of north carolina [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion ? Further debate ? If not the question before the house is the passage of the house comity substitute house bill 1106 on it's third reading. All in favor say aye. All opposed no. The ayes have it. The house comity substitute house bill 1106 has passed it's third reading and will be sent to the senate. House bill 1149. The clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House bill 1149 an act relating to the authority of the state chief information officer to monitor state agency use of mobile electronic communication devices is recommend by the joint legislative over site comity on information technology the general assembly of north carolina. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative san please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentlemen has been recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you Mr. Speaker . Quick summation house bill 1149 is a bipartisan bill that gives the star c.i.o the general coordinating authority for all mobile electronic communication matters relating to the internal management and operations of state agencies. I urge a yes vote on this bill. Thank you [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further

Discussion further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1149 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will out machine record the vote. 113 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. House Bill 1149 has passed its second reading and without objection will be read a third time. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion, further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1149 on its third reading. All in favor, say aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Aye. [SPEAKER CHANGES] All opposed, no. The ayes have it. House Bill 1149 has passed its third reading and will be sent to the Senate. Ladies and gentlemen, we are now going to move back to the top of page one to dispose of two other local bills that are only on second reading roll call. House Bill 1211, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1211, An act to revise and consolidate the charter of the town of Mount Gilead. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Goodman, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] This bill just updates the charter for the town of Mount Gilead. They requested it, there's no opposition, it's passed through two committees unanimously, I ask for your support. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill Committee Substitute to House Bill 1211 on its second reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will out machine record the vote. 114 having voted in the affirmative, none in the negative. House Bill Committee Substitute to House Bill 1211 has passed its second reading and without objection, ladies and gentlemen the chair stands corrected it is a roll call vote. It will remain on the calendar. House Bill 1244, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1244, An act to authorize increasing the Wilson County Occupancy tax. The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Susan Martin, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] To debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker and members of the House. Representative Farmer-Butterfield and I joined together to ask you to support our community, Wilson. The General Assembly enacted standard guidelines that our occupancy taxes have to conform to, and I went through a lot of work to make sure that this proposal met those standards, which are supported by the travel and tourism industry. It comes at a request of our community, a full bipartisan unanimous support of the County Commissioners and Tourism Board, and I ask for your support. If you have questions there's materials on your desk and also available to you in your email. Thank you. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Farmer-Butterfield, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Speak on the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The lady is recognized to debate the bill. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Thank you, Mr. Speaker. These additional monies would help implement our three pronged tourism strategies. First, just to increase recreational uses and improvements. Second is to increase marketing to attract more business for the hotels, and third would be for incentive funding and technical assistance to non-profits, who of course promote travel and tourism. Thank you for your vote. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Further discussion further debate. If not, the question before the House is the passage of House Bill 1244 on its second roll call reading. All in favor vote aye, all opposed vote no. The clerk will open the vote. The clerk will out machine record the vote. 91 having voted in the affirmative, 22 in the negative. House Bill 1244 has passed its second reading and will remain on the calendar. Ladies and gentlemen, we are now down to the remaining bills on the calendar for second and third reading, local bills, voice vote only unless otherwise requested. Is there objection to grouping these bills for a vote? Representative Shepard, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Yes, sir, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to be recorded as voting yes on House Bill 1149. I was in the chamber, I couldn't get back to my seat. [SPEAKER CHANGES] The gentleman will be recorded as voting aye. Representative Speciale, please state your purpose. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Sir, I'd like to be, make sure that I've been recorded on Bill 1089 and 1090 as voting yes. [SPEAKER CHANGES] Representative Speciale, I think the gentleman was, but we will confirm that on the House Bill 1089 and House Bill 1090 the gentleman wishes to be recorded as voting aye. So ordered. House Bill 1044, House Bill 1114, House Bill 1159, House Bill 1168, House Bill 1207, House Bill 1218, and House Bill 1247, the clerk will read. [SPEAKER CHANGES] House Bill 1044, An act to make changes to the Averasboro

[Speaker Changes] Township tourism development authority. House bill 1114 and actor require the deeds of Avery county for property subject to delinquent municipal property taxes for the town of Elk Park. House bill 1159 authorizing the city of Greenville to convey by private negotiation and sell certain real property owned by the city that does not meet the minimum lot size requirements grabbed by the city’s zoning ordinance. House bill 1168 an active discharge of a firearm or bow and arrow from the right of way in Yancey county. House bill 1207 an act to amend the charter of the city of ?? to allow the city council to hire the city attorney to make a certain correction. House bill 1218 an act amending the charter of the city Monroe to remove the provision authorizing the city manager to have direct supervisory authority over the city attorney. House bill 1247 an act to allow women appointment of elected public officials. To the greater Ashville authority general assembly North Carolina. [Speaker Changes] Representative McGrady please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] To speak on a bill. [Speaker Changes] A gentleman is recognized to debate one of several bills. [Speaker Changes] This is with respect to house bill 1247 and I just want to draw my colleagues attention the fact that this is a ?? national related matter and that Rep. Fisher, Ramsey, and Mcgrady are all on the bill. So this is not a partisan vote. We ask for your support for that. [Speaker Changes] Never get tired of hearing that Rep. Mcgrady. The question before the house is the passage of house bill 1044, house bill 1114, house bill 1159, house bill 1168, house bill 1207, house bill 1218, and house bill 1247 on its second reading. All in favor say aye all oppose no, The ayes have it. House bill house bill 1044, house bill 1114, house bill 1159, house bill 1168, house bill 1207, house bill 1218, and house bill 1247 have passed their second reading without objections. Rep. Hall please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] This is not an objection but could you read those bills again? [Speaker Changes] I’m about to, will be read a third time. Further discussion further debate. If not the discussion before the house is the passage bill 1044, house bill 1114, house bill 1159, house bill 1168, house bill 1207, house bill 1218, and house bill 1247 on its third reading, all in favor say aye, all oppose no. The ayes have it bill 1044, house bill 1114, house bill 1159, house bill 1168, house bill 1207, house bill 1218, and house bill 1247 have passed their third reading and will be sent to the senate. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker [Speaker Changes] Rep. Moore please state your purpose. The gentleman may state his motion. [Speaker Changes] Senate bill 493 regulatory format will be removed from calendar and rerefered to the committee on house regulatory reforms. [Speaker Changes] Without objection. Ladies and gentleman this completes the calendar. And we got a couple messages and we’ll go to notices and announcements. Special message from the senate, the clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] Special message from the senate, senate bill 793 committee substitute 3rd edition. A teacher employed by a charter school may serve as a nonvoting member of the board of directors for the charter school to ?? by the state board of education to make decisions on charter school applications to provide priority enrollment for the children of the members of the board of directors of charter schools beyond a year. Make charter school subject and requirements open meetings and public record laws to allow charter schools to ask additional information regarding the transfer of the appropriate share of the local expense fund, to shorten the time period of payment of delinquent funds to clarify the bidding process for the assumption of charter schools and to direct the state board of education to develop a faster act approval process. [Speaker Changes] Education. Rep. Floyd please state your purpose. [Speaker Changes] Mr. Speaker can you read the divide senior citizens ?? [Speaker Changes] Would gentleman please speak up I didn’t hear the question. [Speaker Changes] Would the reader turn up the volume to help the senior citizen [Speaker Changes] Speak louder. Rep Collins is representing a report, clerk will read. [Speaker Changes] Rep. Jeff Collins, state personnel committee. House bill 1209 favorable to the committee substitute as amended unfavorable to the original bill and re-referred to appropriation.

The committee substitute will be re-referred to the committee on appropriations original bill on favorable calendar. SPEAKER CHANGES post bill 1046 no revolving door employment favorable to the committee substitute unfavorable to the original bill and re-referred to judiciary sub committee A SPEAKER CHANGES The house committee substitute will be re referred to to judiciary sub committee A, original bill unfavorable calendar. Notices and announcements: representative Warren please state your purpose SPEAKER CHANGES To make an announcement, I just want to repeat an announcement to representatives to meet earlier regarding government committee meeting tomorrow in room 1228 45 minutes after session. Many members are also on the education committee so i just want to remind you that we will be starting about a half hour after the education committee. You have to make your choices. Thank you. SPEAKER CHANGES Members, for planning purposes in case there are members planning on other meetings, we will have session at 11am tomorrow Representative Larry Hall please state your purpose. SPEAKER CHANGES Larry Hall: announcement SPEAKER CHANGES Gentleman's recognized for an announcement SPEAKER CHANGES Larry Hall: Thank you Mr speaker, Democrats we have on outside meeting immediately after session for those of you who are not at committee meetings. Thank you Mr speaker. SPEAKER CHANGES Representative Jones please state your purpose Jones: announcement SPEAKER CHANGES gentleman is recognized for an announcement Jones: members you may have seen your emails earlier, the house health and human services will meet today 15 minutes after session. I don't intend to cancel that 60 seconds from now so we will meet today. Thank you SPEAKER CHANGES representative Howard, please state your purpose Howard: to make an announcement SPEAKER CHANGES The lady is recognized for an announcement Howard: finance will meet in the morning at 8:30 am in room 544 SPEAKER CHANGES Representative Stone, please state your purpose Stone: I'd like to be recorded voting no on 1244 SPEAKER CHANGES recorded voting no on 1244 Further notices and announcements, the clerk will wait. SPEAKER CHANGES House committee on homeland security military and veterans affairs is cancelled for tomorrow SPEAKER CHANGES further notices and announcements representative Millis recognized SPEAKER CHANGES Millis: First off for a very quick announcement the house committee on rules ?? and operations will meet tomorrow at 9:30, in our normal room in 1228, there should be a notice coming out electronically also. SPEAKER CHANGES gentleman recognized SPEAKER CHANGES mr speaker i move that the house adjourn subject to ratification of bills messages from the senate committee report, conference reports, re referrals of bills and resolutions, appointment of conferees, introductions of bills and resolutions and moderate modifications to the calendar to reconvene on Thursday June 19 at 11am. SPEAKER CHANGES Representative Moore moves, seconded by representative Brisson that he house do now adjourn subject to to ratification of bills messages from the senate committee report, conference reports, re referrals of bills and resolutions, appointment of conferees, introductions of bills and resolutions and moderate modifications to the calendar to reconvene on Thursday June 19 at 11am. All in favor say Aye. All opposed, no. The Ayes have it, the house stands adjourned.