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Senate | May 13, 2015 | Committee Room | Education

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Good morning everyone, I'd like to call this meeting to order, and let me begin by thanking our hardworking PPO, I'll start with the Sergeant-at-arms, Bill Huff, Marcus Kitsche and How Rotch. Thank you for your service, and then we have a group of pages here, we have Elizabeth White who is my page, great to have her, Matthew Anderson from senderendeemen, go ahead and raise your hand when I call your name and Davis Demons, Senator Cook, Racheal Thor, Senator Raven, Hilly Phillips, Raven. Those are two different Ravens by the way Andrew Haul, Senator Lee, Corry Gas, Senator Smith Ingram and [xx], Senator Clark. Thank you for your service here today. We have three Bills, we are going to go in numerical order this morning. And, the first one is House Bill 18 I think. Representative Martin, Mr Chairman? Yes, Senator Toman I would like for the house members to take note that we're hearing house bills today House Bills. Any House Bills? Thank you very much chairs for hearing my House Bill. It's the only number House Bill 18, I don't know if you've read the summary, I think it does an excellent job with an overview. We learned about this issue during the inner run Education Innovation Study Committee. You're probably aware of the cooperative and innovative High Schools, which have an excellent reputation. If you look at the school grading system, well, maybe not perfect. The cooperative innovative high schools have a much higher percentage that have an A and B ratings and very popular. We've at least one in I think in every LEA, every county across the state. All that this Bill does is, change the two step processes slight alteration to our statute at the request of the school applying for the status that they may request a planning year and now we give a temporary contidency approval in April and if they're requesting funds, which as far as I know none has now requested funds, then they get final approval when our budget comes out in July or August, and so some schools find out the budget hasn't come out untill August and schools are supposed to open in September. That's not enough time depending on what they're trying to do and charter schools and new schools have the option of a planning year, this would change our statue at their request which is the only issue we heard about. Some of them are just classroom space so they don't need a planning year. The way to go, and I've a school in Wilson that needs a planning year. They've been approved and this is very critical for us to move forward and make sense. So I'm happy to take questions. Senator Davies. Thanks Mr. Chair, Representative Morty thanks for your hard work on this and we fully support for this and at the appropriate time we'll move for favorable Thank you very much, I saw a bunch of hands with those motions for favorable, are there any questions besides that? All right,. Seeing nothing, we have a motion for favorable report. All in favor say I, opposed no. The I's have it. Thank you. Representative Senator Buckner from the floor. Great, thank you very much. Did you want that? thank you very much, next we have House Bill 237 and Representative Elmore you have the floor to explain the bill. Thank you, Mr chairman, and I'm presenting my house bill because this is the only kind of bill I can follow What house Bill 237 there was a campaign a bill coming through the senate dealing with this also, basically is a paper work reduction [xx] for our teachers. This is gentleman called PP's and it is piece of paper that they have to fill out but they are using different methods now then but they are still required to fill a lot of paper work so this is eliminating that piece of paper work for you teachers and I would appreciate your support on the bill I see a favorable report from, Senator Wave we going to hold that for the moment for a question from Senator Davies. Thanks, Mr. Chair. You've mentioned that there are other methods and terms that being used right now. Could you elaborate more on that? Yes I would be more than happy to, part of the bill allows for study with joint aid oversight for DPR to explain this process in more detail, but they currently use what is called the RTR process which is basically data analysis, so you were seeing innovations in the classroom each and every day versus sitting down with the PEP in a meeting rounding up the this goals et cetera so you have seen these intervention of a day to day basis on Follow up Follow up.

So we're using those interventions but is there any connects into that and the bill itself. And what I'm trying to explain is it seems that the language strikes the PEP, the process of generating the PEP, however, done as really from what I can tell connects us to current innovations. Go ahead. Well what we're seeing this period right now when innovations are changing with the use of technology and the use and all of that is still developing. Really that is a policy issue, we are dealing with Statute here, and that's the reason why it was very difficult for the PEP to be eliminated because of the statutory, many of these innovations needs to be dealt with through the policy efforts and have the ability to change and as needed quicker than through statutory means. One further follow up. Follow up. So, we identified then in statue, make an obligation to identify these at risk students. Okay, and that's section one A here of the Bill. What happens? I mean, are we relying just on practicing to implementing the intervention, is that what you're implying? You go ahead. I think interventions have always been implemented thorough practice of the teacher. Senator Robinson Thank you Mr chair. I wanted to ask, in the section that senator Davis is referring to. I do understand that there have been personal education plans for sometime and what goes on in the schools, because I am extremely familiar with that and I work with some of the students, however without some focus intervention those saying kids and the teachers don't have time we know that teachers don't have a lot of time to give the kind of attention. A lot of kids who are at risk may be even foster children Senator etc, who need. Mr. Chair I'd like to offer an amendment. Okay, do members have a copy of your amendment. Yes they do. Okay. Am sorry you don't have a copy I stopped [xx] I talked to Representative Lesha this morning but. And representative don't worry, if you had a chance to see this amendment before this, or is this new to you? Yeah, I apologize for that. Okay, but what I need to do is have. That's a great idea is we're going to set this Bill aside, allow Representative El Mor to take a look at this, and then we are going to hear 878, then come back to that. OK, that's fine. So sorry for the little juxtaposition hear but if we could hold on that, 878 and we have Representative Jordan, if you could come up and explain the Bill. Thank you senators. I wanted to thank you senators for hearing my House Bill today. Senator Tillman, we heard only senate Bills in J2 yesterday, so we are on the same page with you, thank you. Thank you members of the committee, House Bill 878 is an expansion of the board of trustees that the school assigns in mathematics. And we have a group of students from the school here here I think they introduced themselves to you Senator, They did. This is a project that the students and the Administration have been working on for several years, and all the bill does is two things unlike the other 17 campuses on the UNC system, the school science and math, the student governor president is not an ex-official member of the board of trustees is, so this bill will add the student body president as an ex-official non voting member of the board of trustees, the second thing it does is it allows the chancellor on the Board of Trustees, I feel discretion to add up to additional non voting members so they can pick various

representatives we have special contribution they can make to the board and add them to the board of trustee as well and you can see from the summary of more information of the current board, that those are the two things it does, I would ask for your support for this and if you want to here from anyone from the school or from the student, they are here at your pleasure Senator Woodward Thank you Mr. Chair, Representative Jordan thank you. As an allomancer of science and maths, I know you understand how the school works and I think this is an it's an idea talked with the school administration as well and proper time Mr. Chair I would like move for favourable report. I will hold that for a moment Senator Brown. Thank Mr. Chairman, sound like a good bill to me too I'm just want to ask the question what the typical size of the board of trustees on the all the other campuses and this the authority I'm just want size wise the right size bigger than others or sometimes it get too big that's I guess that's the question. You have a some information I don't have that is up to you you are going to make [xx] Senator Stine, do you have a question? Question please, thank you Mr. Chairman, Representative Jordan it sounds like a good deal my only question is the procedurly[sp?] how do the two additional non voting members selected at the digression of the chancellor the board of trustees so does that mean anyone one on the board can nominate the person and then is that subject to a vote of the board for approval. It would be subject to a vote of the board for approval, it will be back to any member of the board or the chance to suggest someone they will usually come to agree to that add that person to the board. Right do we have any further questions? And we do have some of the administration you can send them, administration certain support this 100%. Alright if you'd really like to speak you can but just your voice to support your presences really all is needed, alright, seeing no needed input thanks, Yes Oh, we do have answer for Senator Brown. Go ahead and report that. For the other constituents institutions the statute provide there are 12 members to the board of trustees plus the President of the [xx] government as an exofficio[[sp?] member for each of the institutions. Is Representative Jordan Geller, comment on that? Unless Senator Brown had a comment I want to respond to that. The school assigns a mathematics is a little different because remember, 13 members are appointed by the Board of Governors, from the conventional districts. So that's 13 already because they represent the state in it's entirety, so that's one reason this board is larger. So you just don't think there's, Mr. Chairman I'm sorry. So you don't think there is a problem with this size, you know sometime if you get too big can create more problems if we are not careful as a board on making decisions, that was my only concern. Representative Jordan ant thoughts? We have no concerns, the administration as the board very well together because this is a unique situation, and they had no problem with the size of it. Very good. Seeing no further question, all in favour say aye? Oppose no, the ayes have it and the motion passes. Thank you Mr. Chairman, I thank my co-sponsors Evans and Black Will, and also also Senator Hughes who's also a member of the school on the floor. Wonderful. Thank you. As we see the conversation continuing on between Senator Robinson and representative El Mor. If they have not, unless they feel very comfortable, Senator, Representative El Mor come on up here. Unless you feel very comfortable with what's going on, we could suggest that we pass the bill as it is now and you continue a new and possibly amendment on the floor if you come to agreement, or what's where? You want to do that on the floor? Yeah yes okay. That's good. Do you agree that if you like that or you don't know yet I don't at this point, I think the study will address her issue very good then. So, Not here lets continue. How about the three of you talk about that and decide if you want to do that and Senator Tom can be a part of that in the Senate floor if you so decide Mr Chairman? Yes, I see a question from Senator Brian Yes, has Representative Elmoid yes David, their position on this and we asked if there are any people in the audience that want to be hear, in addition to DPI if you would you know has DPI's expressed their opinion on this. In history, all the committees in the house have had an unanimous support from the floor, I've talked with the entities involved with it and as a matter of fact [xx] DPIEC department just a minute ago, so I

think everyone feels comfortable with the Bill. Is there anyone in the audience that would like to expound on that or is that a sufficient explanation for you? I'm which of all [xx] legislative [xx] on for the department of publican structure we've worked with Representative Almond [xx] in this bill, we found it to be a good bill thank you. Great thank you for your input any further questions or Chairman do you have a comment? Senator Elmore thank you for taking this bill and bringing it home sign the same bill and house was really slow and we are so we didn't get to it, that's good, that's fine and it does away wit a lot of unnecessary paper work, these PEPs lay on the shelf, they use daily plans, daily updated and what you really want to know from their teachers is what I'm doing today these students day by day not one plan is done on an annual basis. Only updated very really during the year, that's not the plans I use anymore and if someone wants one and request one the school will be able to do it but this things are out baby, there's a lot of paper work for note. Very good, Senator Davis? Thanks Mr. Chair, I just have one final question when we look at section B be the talks about the seat team, I just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly, this is only applicable for transition of these at risk students, is that correct? Representative Dan Moul? What section B is referring to is the concept of a transition plan, meaning the schools are doing planing on how their fifth graders move to six grade or how the eighth graders move to ninth grade. Part of the school improvement plan could be things like freshman academies that are taking place at the high schools, where that helps the students make the transition into the bigger school environment. It could be that the fifth graders are struggling with reading and they're doing a summer read program as part of their transition during the summer so back to address that book in the fall. All that would be done as a school based decision, through the school improvement plan. Senator Stein did you have a question as well? I did, yes. Section B just deals with that transition period from one school to another, it only deals with populations of at risk students. So by passing this bill into law, what we would be saying is schools are to identify individual at risk students, students who are at risk of academic failure, but then the law is absolutely sound like is to what they're to do once those children are identified. If we're going to take out the requirement that they use a PP should we not require that the school Alie have a policy such that students, the teachers on an ongoing basis the year coming up with target interventions to help out these kids? Representative Harman. I didn't want to address this my explanation but I guess someone  had to go there. You have a total paradigm shift in classrooms today. We're doing what is called differentiation. So the concept that all of of the desk are in the same row, unless she's a reading of a novel for example. That every kid is reading the exact same novel that is on the exact same level, all AT the same in time. That is not taking place in our classrooms through the OTR process in the data now. So as you may walk in the classroom today where there's five different groups, and the five groups, one group maybe a low performing reading group where they're reading no overlay this group over here may be the high achievers where they are leading noble B then I will ask questions that when all of it. So, you seeing this what you call intervention in differentiation day in day out versus a model like Senator Cameron[sp?] is referring to where a list was made at the beginning of the school year and that was the only time it was addressed. You seeing very dynamic things happening in the classroom right now with these needs of the average students are being met everyday just not on a piece of paper. Just a comment from you Mr. Chairman. Yes Mr. Einstein. I hear what you are saying and I appreciate that education has evolved in a good way I just think that it is odd that we as the state are dictating to ALA to identify students but that we don't have any directions as to once they have identified them now PEP may not be the answer, I don't know that I haven't heard from teachers I kids in elementary schools for many years now and I have never had a teacher complain about PEP's but if we're going to

take BP's away it seems that we want to articulate what we want the schools to do with them once they are identified. Rep. Almore. Well I think that goes to the question of professionalism of the teacher, as a teacher myself I feel like that as we look at the data that is coming out of our students that we have the professional duty to meet the needs of the kids and to differentiate our instruction and we do that on day in and day in basis. Senator Robinson do you have a question? Just to comment, Mr. Chair, if you would and I will continue to talk with Rep. Almore and Senator Tillman but the sentence the very point of what Senator Sanchez brought up, was why I wanted to include the sentence because it doesn't was a PP or you know, Bible boy anything else being attentive[sp?] is if I identify a child there ought to be something that says I must pay a focused attention in terms of some evidence based intervention not that it's. But the fact I identified this child, then I must give some attention to how we are going to address that problem, or else we will end up with 2 years like, we are just dealing, we are dealing with the child now, who wants to go to college, but has not had that intervention and trying to get her to that point and I'm saying these are things that, once you identify, your profession teaching you do the right thing. We can't count on that everywhere. though if we need legislation to say, as you must identify, we are going to have legislation that say you must do something about it. And that was the intend of the one sentence to say there should be a focus intervention that is evidence space. And we require that in public health, we're now looking at evidence space practices. So why should we not have that for our kids? Thank you, Mr. All right, very good. Senator Hussell[sp?] do you have a question? If I'm not mistaken though, even if we adopt this, can we not the school system or the classroom teacher can still prepare a plan, can they not? I mean it's an individualized circumstance that they can do for a particular child. Is that not? I'm I wrong, right? That is correct. And in fact you're talking about this differentiated methodologies. That is actually a plan in itself, is it not? OK, we do a motion from Senator Wave for a favorable report. All in favor say aye.  Oppose no, The ayes have it, and the motion passes. Alright, thank you very much. That's all the bills we have for today and the meeting is adjourned.